Bypass oil filter TALK and doing on the cheap

[@StevelsCamping]

I've got an Amsoil bypass on my Cummins. Just had the oil tested after 15000 KMS and it came back perfect. They advised to run it another 15000 KMS and test oil again.

[@zakbrinkhoff324]

How much did it cost

[@CreeperOnYourHouse]

Without changing it?

[@StevelsCamping]

@@CreeperOnYourHouse Yes

[@samsonworley8826]

Blackstone laboratories cost about $45 for an oil sample with checking the TBN as well

[@thelagmeister]

Thanks. I just got my 12v and was planning on changing the oil and filter every 500-1000 miles until it clears up.

[@jamesedwards8308]

Baldwin B154 "absolute" is 15 microns which means it will filter 98.75% of particles larger than 15 microns. The nominal filtration rating, which indicates the filter's efficiency at capturing a certain percentage of particles of a specified size, varies according to different sources: One source reports a "nominal" rating of 2 microns, suggesting the filter can capture 50% of particles that are 2 microns in size. Which is pretty darn good.

[@RoadRacerGT]

Nice video. On 3 liter to 8 liter diesels I’ve run twin TP filters in series the second off of tees from first. I use a metering valve off of the source . When I fitted the system on a dirty crankcase , I pulled a black sludge out and turned the oil to a black tinted clear. A must addition to a diesel.

[@wilfredpeachy1873]

Thanks for the video 👍👍 now I'm planning on doing it at some point.

[@orthopraxis235]

The error most people make when evaluating bypass oil systems is immediate dollar cost vs. overall value. People rightfully so, but too much, concerned with how much a system costs initially, and they underestimate the overall value to a person, in terms of value, over time. Having a car run significantly more miles with better performance, significantly less wear on parts, overall longevity, obviously using slightly less oil, changing it less often. What is the value in terms of new cars not financed, repairs not needed, and even the freedom factor knowing that you are less a victim of the new car market and all that entails, at least far less often.

[@ralphwood8818]

In 1963 I was working in a Standard full service station. We checked everyone's oil. I commented on this guys golden oil. He pointed to his Frantz oil cleaner and said use one of these and Delo. You wont need to change your oil and your engine wont wear out. The manager said he is a Standard oil engineer. I remembered seeing a Frantz brocure in the grocery store bulletin board. It had two knobs on top. I got the newer over center clamp. I was using Delo. It was about 29 cents a quart in the discount stores. My oil went from black and dirty to golden. All I have now is top loaders. Toilet paper doesnt fit the Frantz now. You can use it if you know what you are doing. With the top loaders you just get the diameter right and push it in. They have the bigger seals. I like the Australian Jackmaster Classic The old Ford 390 has a over 50 year old Motor Guard on it. The others are Gulf Coast juniors and newer Motor Guard compressed air filters modified to filter lubricants. A flat head Ford V8 canister filter converted to use a full roll of Scott 1000 for the diesel tractor.

[@orthopraxis235]

@@ralphwood8818 Ive been looking at the Motor Guard compressed air filters and would love to convert them to filter lubricants. I like that package. I have 2 frantz originals and one refiner. The refiner is the best design I have seen.

[@ralphwood8818]

​@@orthopraxis235 All the Motor Guard needs is a flat spacer at the bottom and top to put a little squeeze on the core and an orifice. At one time I thought they needed a center tube like the Frantz. The Australian Jackmaster Classic has no center tube. They depend on a firm roll such as Scott 1000 or the Jackmaster Classic element to keep the tp core from collapsing.

[@ralphwood8818]

​@@orthopraxis235 Some are using the Motor Guard with the stock plastic internal parts. They wont melt but will eventually deteriorate. The origional filters were all metal. I still use the Gulf Coast junior. It is glass filled nylon. With stainless steel hardware. They might be out of production. Saw one on a Humvee years ago. I think the big paper towel filters are more lucrative. A Frantz dealer came out with the little filters when the Frantz filters went out of production at some point. Its a tough business. Most people think proper maintenance is allowing the oil to get dirty then draining it.

[@orthopraxis235]

@@ralphwood8818 I really appreciae all that information. Have you seen the Frantz refiner? Ed Greany in Pinion Hills Ca produces them. It's a Frantz design, but it takes a whole roll of scott 1000 and doesn't need a center tube. OIl drains to the bottom and leaves the filter dry if mounted upright. There are cooling fins in the middle of the unit . I have two older ones and one refiner. Ill take another look into the Motor Gaurd with the modifications you mentioned.

[@whiskeytango9769]

About water in the oil, water is a product of combustion, and combustion products to blow by the rings into the oil because ring seal is not perfect. This is why we have PCV valves. The only way to keep water out of oil is to make sure that when you run your truck, make sure that the short runs are kept to a minimum and that the oil is frequently allowed to come up to full temperature. That will "boil" off any water which will then be evacuated by the PCV valve along with the other gasses in the crankcase.

[@1320fastback]

I use Baldwin only on my 1992 12Valve. BF7349 full flow for Oil, BF7772 no sensor for fuel and B5134 for coolant. Change the oil twice a year.

[@123suzukisamurai]

Damn awesome job. I really appreciate your channel. Very useful info from a real world tested guy

[@A2J_Tim]

what about using the oil return from the bypass as a supply line to your turbo? maybe not with a journal bearing turbo but with a ball bearing turbo, Ball bearing turbos require alot less oil and often times you have to run an oil restrictor because too much oil flow through a ball bearing will cause oil to leak through the turbo seal on the exhaust side. So it could be a double win, you use highly filtered oil to feed your turbo and you utilize the turbos oil return back to the block, do more with less.

[@bagged3562]

I’ve always believed in the benefits and used bypass filters on all my rigs. I’m getting ready to do one on my 12v. Could one just use an oil sandwich adapter with an in and out port for the feed and return of the bypass filter?

[@orthopraxis235]

IF you pickup from the oil sandwich adapter, it's best to return to either 1. the top of the engine where your add oil (purchase another oil filler cap for emergencies, drill a hole in your current cap, install a swivel filtting for your bypass return line), or 2. punch hole in oil pan and return the oil there. I think if you return and pickup from an area too close by you may have flow issues and mixing issues where things won't run as effectively. I have seen a lot of install guides from various bypass filter systems and NONE have both pickup and return coming from and back to the sandwich adapter. The 2 methods I mentioned are ALWAYS mentioned .

[@ralphwood8818]

The 2 port sandwich adapters work great if you can find one that fits the Cummins. If you have an oil pressure gauge and the oil pressure is good and the bypass filter gets hot you are good. Put one on a 12 valve Cummins fire pump at work.That was years ago when I had to have a machine shop make a Cummins nipple to fit the Perma Cool sandwich adapter. In the 60s I used Frantz 2 port sandwich adapters. They didnt work for small engines. They depended on oil flow being high enough to create a pressure difference. On the small engines like my lawn mowers I put a 1/8 inch pipe plug in one port of the Frantz and returned the clean oil to the drain port. The lawn mowers take a 3/4 16 thread such as most Fords and Toyotas. I dont know if Frantz still makes 2 port sandwich adapters.The oil cooler sandwiches work the same.

[@ralphwood8818]

In the 60s if you used a sandwich adapter you didnt need a restrictor orifice in the Frantz.

[@orthopraxis235]

I have 3 gas vehicles with bypass filters. Scott 1000 1 ply works just fine its like 1.00 per roll. paying 36.00 for kleenoil filters that seems a bit nuts...but hey...the filter company has to turn a profit. Running 3 Frantz filters, oil analyics have been perfect. Gas vehicle mileage full compression (tested): 370,000; 205,000; 210,000. That's what a decent bypass filter can do for even gas engines. For 3 to 500 bucks you can essentially bulletproof your engine from wear, and possibly save money on oil changes. But the value is in having analytically clean oil 100% of the time, the Frantz also picks up excess water in the oil. Most people wont get it.

[@ralphwood8818]

I have a flat head Ford V8 canister filter converted to use a full roll of Scott 1000 on my old Ford Diesel tractor. I dont think you can find cotton elements for the old canister filters now. Pleated filters are not much good in a bypass filter.

[@ralphwood8818]

Saw some Scott 1000 individually wrapped at Walmart. It has the 1 1/2 inch core in case a Frantz user doesnt have the sleeve for the Frantz tube. Its a little softer than the Scott 1000 in the multi packages. Similar to what we used in the 60s. The top loaders have the larger seals for the bigger tp cores. You push the core down against the seal and put on the lid. Frantz is the last one that breaks at the bottom as far as I know.

[@ericwiltz6584]

I'm going with the Parker Racor system. I think they are all good, but price and media prices have made my decision. Also a graduated filtration media.

[@ericwiltz6584]

Just watched a second time, a very nice presentation without the BS by many.

[@ralphwood8818]

​@@ericwiltz6584 I have used toilet paper filters for 60 years. Toilet paper is worth 40 bucks and more if you put it in a sock. Started in 1963 with a Frantz oil cleaner and Standard Delo 100 30W. Couldnt use multi grade in a diesel in those days. Probably shouldnt have been used in a gasoline engine.

[@reebarr8832]

Amsoil has the 2 micron bypass filter that was installed on my Ram '96 12 Valve in 2000 by the original owner. I purchased the truck in 2011 and continue to use the Amsoil bypass system. However, I would like to find a less expensive bypass filter with the 2 micron threshold. The Baldwin bypass is 12 micron, correct?

[@CUTTERUPROB]

that one i talk about i think is 12 nom 25 ab , but is a cheaper option

[@ralphwood8818]

My 64 Rambler flat head 6 came with a spin on bypass filter. The oil was always dirty and black. I solved that with a Frantz oil cleaner. Saw a Car Quest filter that fit it advertised at 10 micron. The Australian Jackmaster Classic claims 1 micron. I happen to kmow they can beat that. We tested the filters with lamp black. Lamp black is smaller than 1 micron. Motor Guard claimed 1/10th of a micron with 2 ply toilet paper. Now they have a high dollar element for instrument air and painting. They still claim submicronic. In the 80s Amsoil had a submicronic filter. They had Bobby Unser saying this oil change is forever. Probably too good and too expensive. Tell people they dont need to change oil isnt smart. They think oil is supposed to get dirty and be changed

[@stephenalbright6961]

I have a kleenoil exactly like the one you showed on my Honda civic si

[@A2J_Tim]

how long does your oil stay Golden? I know diesels turn black right away but gas engines are far more clean so in theory the oil will stay clean looking for a very long time with good oil filtration on it.

[@stephenalbright6961]

@A2J_Tim it darkens slightly but stays golden until I change it

[@ralphwood8818]

The Gulf Coast filter company of Gulfport Mississippi used two rolls of Bounty big roll paper towels Years ago. Dont know what they use now. They claim 99 percent at under 1 micron. Im told some diesel soot is as small as 1/3 micron. Gasoline soot is similar but a lot less. The new oil added at filter changes normally dilutes the soot too small to be filtered out. Looks clear on the dipstick. 😮

[@trondvidardalseng894]

Great video. Do you sell filter heads to connect those filters you sell in your shop?

[@CUTTERUPROB]

i will have them on the website soon when its up

[@trondvidardalseng894]

@@CUTTERUPROB I ment your Amazon "shop".

[@JC-gw3yo]

I don't know if they are still available , but I am using the Frantz by-pass oil filter. It uses 2 rolls of toilet paper. Frantz had all the test info available and it was very good. It certainly is cheap to change out as long as the was no covig 19 plandemic.. Ha

[@ralphwood8818]

A Frantz dealer had Frantz 3 stackers all over the gulf of mexico on marine diesels. It took several to equip a locomotive engine on a drilling rig. At some point they went out of production and were replaced by a Gulf Coast single and double roll Bounty big roll paper towel filter. I have some of the little toilet paper filters in use. Not sure they still make them. They might be working with the Australian Jackmaster filter company. They are similar.

[@ralphwood8818]

I used the Frantz for about 20 years before I changed to the top loaders. I have a Australian Jackmaster Classic on the Pontiac Torrent. I have a few old Motor Guards and Gulf Coast juniors. The old Ford diesel tractor has a flat head Ford V8 canister filter that has half a roll of Viva towels in it. It was origionally modified to take a full roll of Scott 1000. It uses a Perma Cool universal 189 oil cooler sandwich adapter. They work for most small filters but not Cummins. Got mine from Jegs. Summit sells them.

[@otrookie]

Just ordered amsoil for my detroit 12.7! Imma do an analysis at 15k miles without and then with and see what they say, ams does he be testing as well it’s $35. I paid $300 for the kit and filter and then another extra filter was like $70/80

[@samwest3762]

I'm curious, what colour is the oil after running a bypass filter? Does it keep it clear/golden?

[@CUTTERUPROB]

Still black

[@samwest3762]

@@CUTTERUPROB You're saying the promo videos I saw weren't true?! 😮 Seriously though, really useful video thank you for sharing!

[@ralphwood8818]

The oil is amber in my gasoline engines and black in my diesel engines. Sometimes the black oil is cleaner than in a propane engine where the oil looks like new. If you are selling filters always show the oil soon after an oil change. Some diesel engines take longer for the oil to get black. The oil in my diesel tractor is analytically clean and black.

[@ralphwood8818]

I have sent black oil from commercial trucks to a lab. The report came back that the oil was good. I stopped worrying about color. If the oil gets black in a gasoline engine you need a better filter.

[@darrinstone49]

Ever run a centrafuge? That's what I want to try next but will need to add an oil drain in the pan since I run twins on my older VP44s, VE & Ppump

[@CUTTERUPROB]

I have.Yep I want to a series on oil and filters. Just have to get to the point I can do it

[@jaymack6341]

Do you know where to get the billet oil fill cap with the fitting for a 12v

[@CUTTERUPROB]

pure diesel has them i am pretty sure

[@sheldonmcclaflin8904]

@@CUTTERUPROB I saw somewhere that a Dodge Neon has a billet oil fill cap that will fit a Cummins engine?

[@ralphwood8818]

Did a fleet of Powerstrokes and didnt have any billet oil fill caps. The 7.3s had a 3/8 pipe plug in the bottom of the engine skirt. I drilled and tapped the fill neck on the 6.0s. That was years ago when the 6.0s first came out. The old 6.9s I put a self tapping hollow bolt in the fill neck. I have drilled and tapped a few plastic Toyota fill caps and put a swivel air fitting in. I drilled and tapped a plastic cap on my Ford tractor hydraulic system. The engine oil uses a Perma Cool universal sandwich oil cooler adapter I got from JEGS years ago.

[@jimkillen1065]

First off I appreciate your videos . I finally got my system installed and I did not realize that the single valve cover might be a problem on the 12 valve . I . installed the return on the front valve cover right over a drain where the push rod is . I probably I guess need to move that . Do you sell the billet cap for the fill on the front of engine. I was reading some information the same one installed a fluid damper off a 6.7 and the thought the engine was smoother operating. You can hear anything but the stated it was a fluid damper. Your thoughts thanks

[@CUTTERUPROB]

if you want a damper i would by a ati or fluid damper for the 12v ( video coming for why ) i dont sell one but you can buy a small billet from ebay just have to drill a hole and tap it

[@ralphwood8818]

When I was younger with less experience I returned the oil to the wrong place in the valve cover of a Peugeot diesel. The oil pan was cast aluminum. With the Frantz installed we headed to town. I told my wife slow down. She said it wont slow down. We were running on motor oil. She got it off the highway and I stuffed a jacket in the oil cleaner to kill it. Actually I put the self tapping hollow bolt on the wrong side of a baffle. The PCV was pulling out an oil mist. My wife was usually driving by her self. I think that car would have taken a Ford Frantz 2 port adapter. What if that had been a customer. I was selling the Frantz at the time.

[@ralphwood8818]

Thats the air cleaner.

[@anthonyrem]

what's your option on the Amsoil bypass kits?

[@CUTTERUPROB]

Nothing wrong with them if you want to buy there setup

[@anthonyrem]

I tend to not trust big corporations and was wondering if the filtration numbers on there filters were accurate. I was thinking about this over a kleen because its a whole kit. @@CUTTERUPROB

[@elroyelblander6277]

👍👍... an engine with fuel dilution,cause of excess cold idling or whatever reason isn't gonna benefit from this ??.. I've meaning to get a by pass rigged up on my trucks...thank you for everything... congrats on 25K👍👊

[@CUTTERUPROB]

i still like to run them, i would just do more tests . Thanks hopefully we can get to 30-40 in the first parts f the year

[@ralphwood8818]

Ive used toilet paper filters for 60 years. If a filter looks like toilet paper its a good filter. Started with a Frantz oil cleaner and Delo in 1963. All i have.now is Motor Guards the Gulf Coasts and a Austrailian Jackmaster Classic Two Motor Guards have been in use for over 50 years. I prefer the top loaders.

[@wsbill14224]

If you're running a bypass filter on a big truck I think it's fine to change your main filter once a year unless you drive a lot. 10k miles on one oil filter won't hurt anything as long as it's a quality filter not a Fram!

[@CUTTERUPROB]

Myself I would change the full filter as recommended as it cleaning on the big stuff so the by by can grab the small stuff

[@makesumwake]

what about the centrifugal oil filters?

[@CUTTERUPROB]

can do that as well

[@randallsemrau6911]

Sorry to say this, but when you find anything in your full flow oil filter, unless in a *freak of chance* the damage occurred as you were shutting the engine off just before the oil change, it's already too late.

[@TheClintmeister]

On the link Amazon is bringing up the Wix filter base not the Baldwin filter base!!

[@CUTTERUPROB]

I have if so it switches when the bladwin is out of stock

[@jeffsikula2920]

If there's water in the oil...wouldn't it just sit in the bottom of the pan?

[@CUTTERUPROB]

It’s depends on the oil and other stuff in it.

[@jeffsikula2920]

@@CUTTERUPROB Water will always be heavier than oil no matter what's in the oil (sediment) or the oils weight. The pan is the lowest point in the system. I don't think I'm wrong..miright!! 😁

[@CUTTERUPROB]

@@jeffsikula2920 sorry I thought this was talking about black diesel. The water if it was to sit for a long time will settle to the bottom. But in the case crank if you don’t get it hot enough or if there is to much it will just mix in and most of the time kill parts.

[@darrinstone49]

You realize almost every oil filter has an internal bypass inside. I too block my filter adapters but also run filters with a higher bypass pressure required. Basically running 2 bypasses in stock form. I run non bypass full hydrologic filters on most all my automatic transmissions builds. The 47RE 48RE are easy & cost about $100 to build. For race our oil filters have a much higher psi to bypass & some guys run an oil accumulator & no bypass at all.

[@conmanumber1]

Mann-Hummel and Diesel tech centrifuges are the best on earth. Mann Hummel were the English Glacier metal companies original invention from near a century ago. Mack and Scania trucks had them standard until they discovered selling spin ons made more cash.

[@ralphwood8818]

Dont know much about the centrifuges. My 65 Honda 305 had a chain driven centrifuge. I remember the ones on the Mack trucks. They were common on Soviet tractors.

[@conmanumber1]

@@ralphwood8818 They are so efficient they spin out to sub micron soot particles. They cost nothing to maintain or change except time to remove cake in housing.

[@ralphwood8818]

​@@conmanumber1 The Honda centrifuge packed the sludge in so hard I had to break it out with a screw driver. I had a Frantz oil cleaner on the Honda 500 Custom.

[@timlabarr6131]

Anyone out there trust in fuel pre heaters? If so would yall eun a coolant heated unit or 12v. unit?

[@CUTTERUPROB]

i have run both in the really cold just by a good one

[@timlabarr6131]

Ant names you'd recommend?

[@CUTTERUPROB]

@@timlabarr6131 sent me a email. [e-mail]

[@valaki-ph1hd]

centrifugal filtert nem helyettesiti egyiksem

[@papaal7014]

media is plural medium is singular

[@ralphwood8818]

The pleated bypass filters are junk. The 36 dollar filters might be as good as Scott 1000.

[@backyardbuilttrucks1]

System 1 filter , never buy another filter .

[@ralphwood8818]

The System 1 is only for racing where you are only concerned with large engine damaging abrasives. A 75 micron filter is of no value for normal use.

[@mlrable]

Where can I get the mount and bypass

[@CUTTERUPROB]

I have links in the description

[@robertpayne1153]

Drilling engine into a sealed engine is going to put metal filings inside, into components and oil, screw that!

[@CUTTERUPROB]

Best not to if you don’t know how. That’s why I didn’t recommend to do that

[@ralphwood8818]

In the 60s we had to use a 1/8 inch pipe tap a lot on foreign cars when installing bypass filters. Mostly when putting a tee at the oil pressure switch. We used grease on the tap. There was about 1 thread difference in an inch. The metric would go in the 1/8 hole. Later years I got adapters from McMaster Carr.