C&C Generals: Rise of the Reds - Comparing Heavy Anti-Air Vehicles

Rise of the Reds or ROTR for short is a massive mod for Command & Conquer Generals Zero Hour.
The mod adds 2 brand new factions, the frontal breakthrough focused Russian Federation and the defense-oriented European Continental Alliance or ECA for short.
The mod also vastly revamps the original factions, giving them new units, buildings, upgrades, and more!
Other improvements include a focus on army diversity, a new 2-tier tech system, amphibious capabilities, and more!
Today we will be comparing each faction's heavy anti-air units. In RotRs, there is a greater emphasis on AA countering, these vehicles being showcased today are the pride of their factions AA capabilities.
We will be covering their production aspects, weapons, abilities, speed, combat, and more!
I plan on doing more of these for other General's Mods and more units from ROTR.
If you have any suggestions, please comment them below.
Thank you for watching!
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:30 Overview
1:10 Patriot SAM
3:45 Twin Fang
4:45 Ural Truck
5:35 Wotan Array
6:25 Grumble
7:00 Upgrades
10:00 Head-to-Head
10:35 Single Target Damage
11:50 Range
12:55 Group Aircraft Damage
14:25 Countermeasures
15:50 HP Comparison
17:00 Mobility
17:50 Conclusion & Summary
Generals Zero Hour (Base Game)
www.ea.com/games/command-and-...
ROTR Mod Link:
www.moddb.com/mods/rise-of-th...
GenLauncher (Highly recommend to play mods on Generals Zero Hour)
www.moddb.com/mods/genlauncher
Music used:
Rise of the Reds - Russia Loading
Emperor: Battle for Dune - Atreides - Assembling the Troops
Emperor: Battle for Dune - Atreides - Infiltrating Harkonnen
Emperor: Battle for Dune - Atreides - Unsuspected Attack
Emperor: Battle for Dune - Atreides - Fremen Alliance

[@mayuri4184]

Fun Fact: USA also has a heavy anti-air defence, called the Cyclops.

[@fc-rq2bi]

It's a base defence, isn't it?

[@Dembilaja]

​@@fc-rq2bi yes, it's generic heavy AA. Patriot truck is armor general exclusive. At least it will be if 2.0 ever comes out.

[@alfredlaalpacadeageofempir9215]

>Patriot SAM: A unit that complements the Avemger. >Wotan Array: Is natural for the Defence-Oriented Faction to get the best AA in te mod. >Twin Fang: Like all chinese units, is weak individually but strong in numbers. >Ural Truck: 2 bois in a van. >Grumble: Powerful but requires help from the other elements in your army.

[@MrMarinus18]

The Grumble though has the longest range which means you can use fewer of them.

[@MrMarinus18]

The twin fang I think is the worst though cause heavy AA is supposed to be used in small numbers since they don't contribute anything to the land battle. The short range of the Twin Fang is also an issue. I think the Grumble and the Wotan are the best ones. The grumble can create very effective non-fly zones while the Wotan is great at escorting ECA assaults.

[@vovin8132]

My biggest criticism of this test is that heavy AA units are the counter for planes and airstrikes (ie., bombers). They aren't really designed to counter helicopters effectively, which is the job of light AA. In the correct application, the Grumble and Ural are the best since they can either use long range or stealth to intercept planes before they attack. The Patriot is gimped in this regard because USA has better heavy AA as a base defence (cyclops laser)

[@MrMarinus18]

The low damage of the Ural is kind of an issue though. You need to have them in the right spot to intercept and even if you do they won't shoot down heavy aircraft.

[@ichiro5384]

The whole ROTR community came together to watch your awesome content.

[@HalfbodiedJish]

You know the Wotan is powerful when you had to spam stop every group fight that it was in to avoid him from murdering everyone.

[@Toxic_Man_]

I used to be more infuriated by the S-300! They knocked my Comanches down half the map! And the carpet bombardments did not keep up with the necessary coordinates!

[@__Kng]

Interesting fact: Patriot SAM can't damage friendly aircraft

[@Dembilaja]

Idk if any of them can. I know about grumble for sure, friendly fire got removed because it's explosion has huge splash, and use to down or heavily damage your own units.

[@MrMarinus18]

I actually think the Patriot SAM should be removed as it is too similar to the Grumble and doesn't really fit the high tech gimmick theme of the USA all that well. I think they should make the Avenger the heavy AA vehicle and make a new light AA vehicle.

[@Grabacr_KDH]

@@MrMarinus18 it will be locked to general bradley in 2.0; you can also not use it either if you don't want it

[@Nnneemo]

Smart warhead programmable shrapnel field.

[@Frost-01]

​@@MrMarinus18 The Patriot is fine for what it is, it compliments the Avengers with range while the avenger can act as point defense, and then there's also the Cyclops which is the true long range AA the US has... arguably the best

[@sinkeverbruggen1576]

love the addition of the conclusion! you should use this in all your videos, as it really adds to the purpose of the video!

[@myriad9597]

Good work, informative and interesting. Also,I'm suprised to hear the "Gather the troops" atredies track from emperor battle for dune. You have good taste.

[@comm1098]

Thanks! I was listening to emperor: battle for dune's soundtrack while making this and thought it fit!

[@kairosdoe386]

Yo awesome work I can't wait to see the superheavy tanks

[@qpwoeiruty668]

Pretty good comparison video, really shows how the ECA and China are a slight cut above the rest, with Russia being more specialized in its deployment needs. By the way, you don't mention what music you use in your videos. Mind posting a list to help out?

[@comm1098]

Thank you! I've updated the description with a music list.

[@thekietnguyen2673]

Another high quality content video, well done lad! :D

[@GrimmKnightReaper]

Awesome work.

[@sinkeverbruggen1576]

I think the grumble is best use for base defense, due to it's large range

[@astro6009]

I know Grumbles cause me the most problems as USA. My usual strategy of Nighthawk raids is pretty much hard-countered by Russian Conscripts w/ stealth detection and Grumbles. Bombing runs are suicide missions. No other faction gives me nearly as much grief.

[@sinkeverbruggen1576]

@@astro6009 is this PvP or PvE? is AI smart enough to do this?

[@astro6009]

@Sinke Verbruggen Skirmish. AI keeps 3-4 Grumbles in their base, and spams Conscripts constantly, so stealth is practically impossible. Even more of a nightmare when they're a person, of course.

[@Eanki_]

​@@astro6009 Most pvp match I saw back in 1.87 early days lasted 15-20 minutes. It can be hard to amass more than a couple of heavy AA, on top of other vehicles.

[@astro6009]

@Eanki I'd wager that was higher-level play. I'm no pro of course, and am not as fast or aggressive or multi-attentioned as a pro. So I give opponents time to make a few Grumbles.

[@RoadKamelot2nd]

Has the Wotan been buffed in 1.9? I remember that in 1.86 they are easily picked off by pairs of Raptors. Edit: Also, the Grumble's missiles count as cruise missiles (same as Tomahawks). Only the Avenger can shoot them down with its main weapon, not the PDL. The USA Guardian Angel can also shoot them down. Since it's a cruise missile, due to the game's engine, countermeasures don't treat it as a projectile fired by rocket infantry, vehicles or base defenses.

[@comm1098]

This is version 1.87 so perhaps they were buffed in this version? Also, interesting to know about the grumble's missiles!

[@Eanki_]

Doesn't the active counter measures of the Harrier deflect the Grumble if you time it correctly?

[@RoadKamelot2nd]

@@Eanki_ No, at least not in version 1.86. Countermeasures work only against regular missiles, not cruise types.

[@Eanki_]

@Đorđe Stamenković I've seen it happen in 1.87. A Grumble missile approaching my Harrier and pressing the chaff dispenser just as it is about to hit causes the missile to swerve towards the ground.

[@RoadKamelot2nd]

@@Eanki_ That's a change from 1.87 then. That method didn't work in version 1.86, which is the last one I played.

[@alexeishayya-shirokov3603]

I never use the Grumble as a standalone unit; I use them as the centerpieces of mobile air defense divisions that follow assault units. The ratio I use is 2 grumbles flanked by 6 tunguskas (three covering each Grumble's flank), two repair vehicles (covering 1 grumble, 3 tunguskas and one sentinel each), and 2 Sentinel tanks with the arena upgrade (covering 1 grumble, 3 tunguskas and 1 repair vehicle each). Those divisions can be beefed up with 2 Grizzly APCs with an infrared goggle-equipped conscript in each, which should take be able to ID hostile stealth units.

[@Saidan79]

Thanks for another great video on this mod. Keep them coming!

[@rodrigojalcacanarte3011]

Nice summary at the end, good work.

[@marklindsey6607]

Great Video

[@hollyboyd545]

Quality video after quality video. Keep up the good work! I'm so proud of you!

[@Leopard-2A7V]

excellent video bro, keep it up

[@AlphaFrost.]

Hey! I've been looking for videos like this for a long time! I like how you really put effort into making these comparison videos! You earned yourself a subscriber good sir! Listen is it possible for you to share the map your using? I want to use it for strategic reasons and for some fun stuff I'd like to try out. If you don't mind

[@captain-generalothinus3640]

Can you do Tier 1 or 2 artillery next? Thanks man for this video

[@ScudForEver]

You may want to do this test again against figther jets.

[@stemen8396]

I want that ending screen on my menu game

[@udrickvidal775]

Here's the ideas for the next ROTR comparison units: Anti-Garrison infantry and Anti-Garrison Vehicles

[@Octi-ku4yf]

I like how all the factions have like, long range anti air missiles like the S300 or the Patriot, China has a heavy flak cannon and ECA has heat magic But GLA has 2 guys in a truck with short range manpads.

[@ivanvoloder8114]

I have a question about this mod. Do Russia and Europe also get their specialization generals like the other 3 original factions or do you only get them as vanilla?

[@gautheuil6210]

If by "specialization generals" you mean generals like Thrax, Tao, Alexander etc... then they don't have them yet but they will be added in the 2.0 version of the mod.

[@Magnus_Caramelo_55]

Upgardes Typo I've been noticing it quite often

[@Vitya_S]

Interesting to see comparing VDV Airborne vs Airborne (USA) vs Fanatic (Fanatics Ambush) vs Commando Insertion (ECA).

[@user-vc8tk8qd9r]

ECA и Russia ПВО специализируется на перехвате, в отличие от других, которые бьют в лоб.

[@user-dn2kb1st4y]

Привет

[@user-vc8tk8qd9r]

@@user-dn2kb1st4y привет

[@jimgreen4110]

That's what they called the professional

[@Dembilaja]

You should have covered Cyclops too. It's actual US' main heavy AA.

[@Leopard-2A7V]

My guy can u do a video about anti infantry defenses

[@user-ub7ik2wd3i]

I wonder, what is better for preventing A-10 and B-52 airstrikes in terms of cost efficency

[@gautheuil6210]

Tallboymcgee: today we will be covering each faction's heavy anti-air vehicles. Wotan: my time to S H I N E.

[@MRROSARY93]

i wish i could play this mod...i wanna use the russians but mods don't work on my C&C generals Zero Hour and idk how to make them work

[@rafasyafachrul2551]

Aircraft and helicopter comparison please..

[@Lackingcreativityforpfp]

Doesnt make the avenger the moving sam obsolete due to its damage potential and speed? Also maybe they should make the ural make attack ground targets witg different weapons, like lmgs. Those sandbags shouldnt be wasted tbh.

[@comm1098]

The Ural Truck is the cheapest of the bunch. Its camouflage can catch unsuspecting enemies off guard too, so it does have some positives going for it. The Patriot Sam also has its advantages. Kiting with it can increase its effectiveness greatly. USA also has the luxury of the best aircraft in the game, which gives them even more options to deal with enemy aircraft.

[@Lackingcreativityforpfp]

@@comm1098 Hm makes sense. At least now the ECA has a good unit. So much so that upgrades would be overpowered.

[@mr.j2036]

Which version is this ??

[@lukitomanek601]

Wich ROTR version is it?

[@freezie4511]

Have you thought about doing a comparison of all the unique units from each faction? The ones that you have to unlock through the point menu

[@user-wi8mi6jo9t]

My Ural trucks can attack ground targets. Why does the video creator say it doesn't? The Wotan is also like this!

[@Sovietpower12]

спасибо за хороший ролик)

[@x-peacekeeper-x2500]

You know you have to bring in artillery if the enemy has heavy air defense against airstrikes

[@theskull3412]

Can you make one for the heavy artillery please And I think the grumble is the best heavy AA

[@Frost-01]

And then there's the Cyclops......

[@syamiliman2378]

why my USA heavy anti air is a chaparral not patriot SAM ?

[@brendzoloroso8456]

Why patriot Sam instead of avengers? Hehehe

[@SirAroace]

avengers is light Anti-Air

[@Mariujana90]

Great video as always. Are you gonna compare the artillery units soon?

[@Eanki_]

The Ural can also get bugged sometimes where it becomes locked in a state of deploying and undeploying. It can't attack, move, or stealth. Maybe it happens only in potato laptops or maybe it is the game engine being old. I haven't encountered this with Urals upgraded into SA-3 though. A point for the Patriot over the Wotan in my opinion is frontloaded damage. Some generals powers aircraft just needs to die quick (US leaflet drop and China EMP drop). Burst damage does that best. But in general, the Wotan is the most flexible and the damage of 5-6 of them kills a bomber quick anyway. Just needs to get to that point where you buy more than a couple. Stat wise, I agree with the ranking but the Twin Fang is working off of a very strong economy base compared to the Wotan.

[@user-vc8tk8qd9r]

А какие следующие юниты?

[@lukitomanek601]

Wich version of ROTR is it? How to download it?

[@IroKane-iz7ii]

Can you share link for 1.87 version, please? Cant found it т.т

[@comm1098]

Check the bottom of the description and download GenLauncher. It is a Zero Hour mod manager. It has ROTRs 1.87.

[@IroKane-iz7ii]

@@comm1098 Thank you :)

[@Octi-ku4yf]

10:58 this test doesn't really work as the helicopter was changed for a comanche while the previous one had the chinook which has more HP

[@comm1098]

I kept having an issue with the Patriot not doing damage to the Chinook at random times so that is why it is different. Apologies for the inconsistency.

[@Octi-ku4yf]

@@comm1098 yeah I found it weird how the Ural beat the Patriot the 2nd time while the patriot had bombardment

[@afzal1104]

so patroit have 0 area damage?

[@comm1098]

Yes, no splash unless the aircraft are clipping inside of each other.

[@Eanki_]

From the wiki, splash AoE are as follows: Wotan, focused beam: none Patriot and Ural: 5 Twin Fang: 20 Grumble: 40 Wotan, spread beam: 50

[@AnimalMother207]

why does your version of Rise of the Reds has the Patriot while mine only has the chapperal?

[@comm1098]

Chapperal was replaced in 1.87 by the Patriot. You might be on a another version than 1.87

[@AnimalMother207]

@@comm1098 Im on 1.86 because 1.87 isn't available for download.

[@comm1098]

@@AnimalMother207 get GenLauncher on ModDB. It lets you install multiple mods into ZH and manages them for you. It has ROTRs 1.87.

[@ninovalenzuela1019]

4:58 "Unlike the other 2 so far the Ural Truck has to deploy before it can fire" The Twin Fang also needs to deploy, its just that it's deploy and un-deploy speed is the fastest among the deploying Heavy AA The Wotan Array afaik is also capable of firing on the move

[@generalderpscout5393]

You know Wotan Array is a best anti air vehicle because they have microwave in it

[@basharkawas2360]

ممكن اسم المود ورقم الاصدار فضلا وليس امرا

[@user-xv2cl3cm4q]

Rise of the reds 1.87 2.0

[@basharkawas2360]

@@user-xv2cl3cm4q Can you compare gun weapons?

[@innocentsinister2117]

Waiting for Superweapons comparison 😁👍

[@chaosdude0878]

i dont play RoTR but damn the US is nerfed AF, is it the weakest faction? some of the features and units that made the US strong in the base game are just gone, where is the Aurora? The missile defender's old laser ability is nerfed to the ground, the PDLs are weaker AND its an upgrade now

[@gautheuil6210]

The US isn't nerfed, some of their abilities were but they got new one to make up for it.

[@Octi-ku4yf]

Kind of They're extremely Power Hungry with the worst Power plants They're planes are good but AI just spams AA to shit and the nighthawk becomes redundant because they also spam stealth detection Their tanks are decent Their infantry is good but it's infantry and squishy And their drones are okay but a bit useless and still squishy except for like the AT drone, it's good at killing tanks and great against those sentinels I feel like they need some work done

[@gautheuil6210]

@@Octi-ku4yf Ok so according to you everything they have is good but they are still nerfed? Maybe there's something I don't see but I don't really understand your logic here.

[@Octi-ku4yf]

@@gautheuil6210 they don't really have Any clear strenght GLA has whatever strenght they want ECA has the Best defense and the most powerful endgame units Russia has the most powerful tanks China can just throw shit at whatever problem they have And USA Their main strenght as stated by RoTr Is Air superiority and unmanned combat systems Air Superiority is good until You meet face to face with an S300 and unmanned combat systems fill more of a support roll Theres a video on this channel about drones and it's pretty good but said situations are very specific and hard to replicate in an actual fight with the AI in regular skirmish Basically what I'm saying is their strenghts dry out very fast compared to others which can maintain it

[@gautheuil6210]

@@Octi-ku4yf The answer is somewhere in your comment, the drones fill more of a support role because they are a faction wich use a lot of support. That's how you're supposed to use their air force, support your army with drones and aircraft, support your aircrafts with Tomahawks and Mules/Avangers. If you are struggling against the AI then you are doing it wrong, try another strategy until it bear results.

[@pstl4477]

excellent ECA

[@pstl4477]

Mod c&c generals zero x army mission

[@jeehoy]

+1

[@rodrigojalcacanarte3011]

Nice summary at the end, good work.