C&C Renegade vs Renegade X: Weapon Comparison

[@Jimbogf]

Seeing all these people openly complain about a fan-made project annoys me.

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Can't blame ya there

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Okay, yeah. It's really starting to annoy me, all this complaining

[@WallNutBreaker524]

​@@IkeFanBoy64It reminds me of the Boomer argument of "Oh music of the past is better than today", they don't like change and are supremacists.

[@pyramidhead3109]

probably because it sucks balls? Duh

[@stepanserdyuk4589]

16:45 that dude just ran through the nuclear explosion like it was nothing

[@IkeFanBoy64]

The glory of not having friendly fire active

[@LordJackass]

Chad NOD hooligan Vs the virgin GDI grunt

[@jannchavez9257]

Imagine a Generals version of this, or Red Alert.

[@SSJ3MetaridleyXros]

Red alert a path beyond bro

[@Igor369]

Dune version would make me nut.

[@Nilithic]

I wish they've added Scrin into this

[@IO_wizp]

if in red alert the AR. is AK

[@xweert711]

A Generals version? Bro that's just Battlefield

[@rogankane6901]

Wait, OG Ion cannon caused an Storm to Stir up and the Nuke to turn the Skies Red? That actually makes them even more Cooler and intimidating than their Remake Versions.

[@Moonstalker]

Actually the remakes are hit and miss tbh.

[@rathfoks5051]

Nuke beacon still gives me PTSD 20 years later

[@davidhayashi9674]

Renegade x does have the GDI tib auto rifle too, its a hidden unit from crate on online server. :)

[@highcat2046]

Can also be added through console commands and found in crates in skirmish mode.

[@PaulZyCZ]

Mutant Raveshaw or Epic Sydney (Sydney in Zone Trooper armor) depending on faction. They have their usual main gun (railgun, personal ion cannon), but instead of tiberium flechette they have green tiberium rifle with infinite bullets and they can tank a lot.

[@yellowice0]

Decided to check on c&c renegade on some fond memories I have, rather interesting that there's like an entire new game, it's kind of sad with some of the guns though, I get they scrapped some of the models and sounds for their more realistic counterparts, but half of them are rather underwhelming in how they look/sound, the only one I appreciated was the Nod nuke, that was a major improvement as the hexagonal shape is kind of lame in the original game i'd imagine due to game performance

[@Thunderstyle7]

The best and only real upgrade was the visual effect of the Rail Gun. It's what it should have been in Renegade as it's Ghost Stalker's signature weapon.

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Definitely looks and feels more like a proper rail gun

[@IkeFanBoy64]

@J M Yeah, classic Renegade was really committed to giving as many guns 100 round mags as they could.

[@TeaserTravlein]

I always thought this was funny

[@cooli0]

Definitely gold, thanks for the community, and we all know the reason why some haters post their toxic comments here

[@nmmrg]

The old sound effects fit in better with the c&c universe.

[@chillthe1]

Personal ion cannon, ah my favourite gun as a kid, man i used to grind points just to get it and its sound was amazing too

[@eggbaron3968]

What did they do to you, my precious laser rifle 😢

[@GS3D]

A lot of guns don't resemble the original if you ask me. Creating something completely different and slapping the same name on it doesn't work for me. The audio of the new ones are generic and it doesn't give me a c&c vibe. It's great to see that people love renegade and are putting so much effort into this. I'm not hating or anything. It's just not for me :)

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Honestly, I don't at all mind the redesigns. Some of them like the Automatic Rifle and Volt Auto Rifle I think are good upgraded versions.

[@caswavala9624]

@@IkeFanBoy64 can you change sounds manually by replacing sound files?

[@IkeFanBoy64]

@@caswavala9624No idea

[@deeppurplefan9648]

Still, it's way more fun to play compared to other free online shooters like Call of Duty Warzone and War thunder. It reminds me of the classic battlefield 2142 which was one of my favorite FPS

[@GS3D]

@@deeppurplefan9648 glad to hear people are enjoying it. The developers deserve that. Warzone biggest problem is the toxic Community. I'm back to single player games now.

[@nightelfmohawk9821]

Love this video thanks for making it!

[@shoulderpyro]

i miss the EVA callouts when beacons are deployed :c

[@SomeRandomGuy121]

And everyone spamming the voice commands. "take the point" "AFAAAFAAFAFAFAFFAFAFAFAFirmative".. RIP jelly server.

[@markman090]

@@SomeRandomGuy121 OG renegade is still alive via w3d hub

[@smol_miko]

I always love the assault rifle reload sound

[@Jarsia]

I like that the tiberium rifle uses blue tib now

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Makes sense since its more volatile than the green variant

[@racer927]

@@IkeFanBoy64 The lore conflict with that is Tiberium Vinifera was a recently discovered strain as of Renegade (see "All Brains, No Brawn") so it'd be hard to maintain a good supply of ammunition, at least until around 2030 when Vinifera was more prominent.

[@IkeFanBoy64]

@@racer927 Oh, right. I forgot about that.

[@JL-vk1rs]

wow they really did the repair gun dirty how could they remove that iconic sound from it

[@CturiX.IREALLY]

Man, I hope this remake title gets some love, credit is due for the original fan team for actually releasing it unlike all these other failed fan projects out in the world

[@FizzleFX]

Mobile Ion canon is Sooo lame now The twisting thing was the best part

[@IkeFanBoy64]

I like the new one a bit more for two reasons 1: Overall design 2: The classic one's reload is always desynced with the animation outside of a manual reload

[@FizzleFX]

@@IkeFanBoy64 so instead of fixing the slight delay we have to replace it? The design was unique. This... Looks like any shooter at the time. Could be unreal tournament...but no, even those had the spinning rocket launcher. Nest time the BFG shoots purple 🟣 Ps. ALSO this was Canon. This was for VENTING the weapon. Cooling the coil so it won't overheat. A neat mechanic detail. Yours will melt your hands!

[@boodie4853]

For real I used to spam reload lol

[@IkeFanBoy64]

@@boodie4853 oh, same. It's such a useless feature, but I love it.

[@tembefuxer3674]

17:36 I think that the explosion is similar to MOAB

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Makes sense since it's a tactical nuke

[@genomega757]

17:26 *TACTICAL NUKE INCOMING!!!*

[@SolathPrime]

More like a MOAB

[@tylerandrews4375]

I feel like weapon gunshots could use just a bit more meat to them.

[@highcat2046]

Ramjet Rifle gang for the win.

[@louievelayo4100]

In the original, the scope of the Sniper Rifle also had an integral directional microphone... Is it the same in RenX?...

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Hell if I know, but it'd make for an interesting mechanic if they add VOIP. It'd be like CoD4's eavesdrop perk, but actually may be useful

[@boodie4853]

That’s what I loved most about the sniper in the OG renegade, you can listen to officers calling for reinforcements in Single player while zooming

[@TranceFanHungary]

Sum Ting Wong

[@princessmargarita5678]

Unlike the original, it's bad that in Renegade X the weather does not change for a thunderstorm when a satellite approaches. And also the color of the sky does not change to red at the beacon of a nuclear missile

[@joeyoung9596]

The weapon sounds were actually louder, and much more detailed in the previous RenX versions, idk why they nerfed it in the later version. I even tried their Black Dawn singleplayer, the sounds in that game are much more louder then the current MP version.

[@JOHNKRIS356]

PYRO: I love this flamethrower

[@JacksonWashburn]

I love and appreciate the renegade X community, but the updated sound effects are weak af

[@GeneralsAlert]

If only they could do a remake on the original singleplayer

[@Damian-cilr2]

I'm more of a singleplayer guy (especially when it comes to fps games) i just have a skill issue,and when i try to play multiplayer i get decimated.

[@TPRemRemillia101]

They do have a single player campaign called Black Dawn.

[@luciusdebeers6176]

I feel with remakes it's so difficult to walk to line between staying true to what made the original great (faults and all) and improving it where you can. For me I would've liked it if it stayed more true to the original. Doesn't mean I dont appreciate the hard work by these talented people tho

[@YEGETAone]

sad they didn't give it the warning message on the nuke.

[@TheDoomSlayerOfficial]

OG Renegade have really good sound effects and animations...X has weaker sound effects but still it's really good..

[@ccompson2]

that nuke strike was underwhelming, and why does it impact the ground? even in the original game it was an airburst

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Think it's more meant to be reminiscent of a proper tactical nuke. Also, I don't 100% know if it's meant to be an airburst since the warhead just goes through the ground after detonation. Given the amount of desync between animations and audio in Renegade, I feel the airburst effect wasn't intended in the original.

[@george.....]

Hate the new ion cannon sound. It also needs the female announcer

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Yeah, the new Ion Cannon is a bit underwhelming compared to the original.

[@SapphirosCZ]

I tried Renegade X few years ago. I wanted to like it since i enjoyed Renegade, but something about aiming felt uncomfortable to me.

[@joeyoung9596]

Well.. Renegade X is based on the Unreal Engine 3. Most of the games that uses UE3 still has a bit of Unreal Tournament 3’s movements and gunplay.

[@danb4900]

because ren ogs combat us totally comfortable

[@CturiX.IREALLY]

Man i hope this remake gets some more love. Credit is due for getting the game out there, though; so many fan projects never get to the release state

[@EasternVikingTradeCompanyJSC]

like new nuclear strike 👍

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Definitely feels more like a proper tactical nuke

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

I don't know, the new one just doesn't really pop. And most guns are too generically gray

[@racer927]

I do like the reworked animations in some weapons showing detail like the Hawkeye Ramjet's integral magazine but the operation feels *completely* wrong from an operational standpoint. It's treated as a straight-pull bolt-action but the bolt is on a spring that brings it back forward so wouldn't it just be more efficient to just have it be a recoil-operated bolt like the M82 platform? Unless of course the ramjet cartridges are so wildcat that the bolt is locked closed to prevent the casing from rupturing.

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Lore wise, the rounds are jet propelled, so it's probably a safely precaution. I dunno. I don't know much about the inner workings of firearms.

[@darlas2007]

原版的鎗聲聽起來很空虛，X版的鎗聲聽起來感受更實際，更有在戰場上的氣氛，做的好

[@-OG_Thug-]

2:32 that tiny gdi soldier

[@IkeFanBoy64]

@@-OG_Thug- I think that's because I was on an elevated surface when firing these

[@LemoNanora]

The old sounds are way better and more of C&C feeling/vibe while the sounds in Renegade X are the same as modern shooter like BF, COD etc As for gun models I rather they just make the old models HD than remaking them something different, Renegade X tiberium auto rifle & personal ion cannon are so lame & generic looking

[@boodie4853]

we should appreciate renegade x because without it renegade would still be dead right after what EA done to it

[@SkullKidForever]

@@boodie4853 100% un true, W3D still allows for OG ren to be played online

[@boodie4853]

@@SkullKidForever oh wait, im aware of w3d hub and i play on their servers, I thought it was fan-made way to play ren, but if it was made by westwood then It's great that they're keeping it alive!

[@SkullKidForever]

@@boodie4853 W3D is simply just Westwood 3D it is a engine they used to make emporer and stuff.

[@SpartanSchlick]

This is so amazing - forgive my ignorance but I assume this is a mod?? When did this happen? I gotta Google this because I loved Renegade back in the day, so many hours in MM

[@IkeFanBoy64]

It's a standalone remake of Renegade in Unreal Engine

[@Punisher1830]

Cnc Renegade is like chess, Renegade X is like checkers.

[@retrosquadchannel2.050]

What the heck is with all rifles in Renegade X? So, after every shot from sniper rifles and even railgun you must pull the bolt manually? Railgun just throws metal stuff into the target, but that bolt action makes no damn sense! Laser chaingun recoil is kinda... out of place. Yes, laser HAS recoil, but not THAT much. It looks more like a woman with machinegun from "Armour of God 2: Operation Condor". Electrogun in Renegade X gives me that eerie feeling, that gun actually electrocutes user instead. Effects of old Ion Cannon were just like in Akira.

[@usuarioextra9324]

I think you have some problems with your original Renegade installation: the Ion Cannon is desynced, weapons don't spawn muzzle flash and the nuke explodes before reaching the ground. I played Renegade a lot when I was a kid and these things caught my attention while watching your video. I have no idea what is causing it, maybe too many FPS?

[@IkeFanBoy64]

@@usuarioextra9324 Yeah, I dunno what causes that either. I assumed it was just the jankiness that game tends to have.

[@Err0rkatze]

The SFX could use a lot more meat on most weapons, but you've gotta appreciate how well done all of this is, especially the anims and visual FX. It's not a direct re-make of Renegade, but their own take on it and I respect that.

[@1r0zz]

The Hawkeye in Renegade X is nonsensical. It reloads as a tube magazine gun, in a gun without tube… They shove 5 rounds directly in the chamber… was it hard to just give it a magazine?

[@SkullKidForever]

OG renegade will always be better, no ifs ands or butts

[@MrLemonchang]

I like weapon sound from Renegade more than RenegadeX 😢

[@T0m0zuki]

Is there a single player version too?

[@IkeFanBoy64]

As in against AI?

[@T0m0zuki]

@@IkeFanBoy64 , no, I meant like a story version. The one that original Renegade had.

[@IkeFanBoy64]

@@T0m0zuki I don't think so. At least not yet

[@riki4523]

thx for the vids

[@HACKERGAMING-o8l]

هل من الممكن ارسال الرابط احتاج التنزيل الاثنين

[@BaxterAndLunala]

I can already tell the shotgun in Renegade X is just a Spas-12.

[@IkeFanBoy64]

I mean, it makes sense in terms of standard issue shotguns

[@renegate12345]

Отдача у лазерного оружия...

[@SaitamaZ]

Renegade or renx is the best game free

[@TheBestbackingtracks]

does renegade X have the campaign or just skirmish?

[@IkeFanBoy64]

Just skirmish, I think

[@besg5725]

Ren x is better but both seem to be using stock sound effects. At least ren x is a fan momoand thats forigeable. I would just go to a gun range in the US or borrow guns and copy those sounds and then feed them to an AI model to make them sound better or beefier.

[@IkeFanBoy64]

@@besg5725 Renegade X was in development well before AI models were a thing, to be fair

[@TeaserTravlein]

Wtf did they do to the personal ion cannon. The old made you feel like you were actually holding some scifi prototype with the majority of the gun just being a battery pack. The new one looks poopoo.

[@havocking9224]

2002 GotY

[@williamturner7131]

Yeah Renegade X looks to be only on the surface to be faithful. All the weapons look... like washed out versions of the actual game's. Like they're clearly modern equivalents but more... inspired from rather than actually faithful and dedicated to the game they originated from. All the classic, distinctive sound cues have been washed out and largely removed, and everything is more reminiscent of "modern shooter with C&C flavor" rather than "C&C Renegade faithful remake"

[@zimman56]

Ppl here complaining about how "the guns dont sound like the original!" Cannot, CANNOT, tell me, that the original sounds were in any way like...really good or ground breaking. You fire the laser rifle on full auto and tell me "yep this will never get old!" You're crazy. This is a fan remake, with a lot of sorely needed updates, Renegade is at the very least a dated game, and the new sounds seem just fine, they feel realistic and punchy. Granted it'd be nice to know what someone is shooting at you from sound alone but, not when it's sounding as obnoxious as the laser chain gun...

[@Morbius0012]

Dude that pistol is litteraly a 22 LR. C'mon...

[@IkeFanBoy64]

I think it's actually 9mm with an internal suppressor (That's what the wiki says at least)

[@daviddubois4340]

renegade > renegade x, get a fucking 3th person view and free aim!!!

[@HuyGaming96]

Gun sounds are so lame in newer game lol. I prefer good old strong gun sound

[@水氵]

The new game is fan made so... It's really an honor to even be able to play it.

[@IkeFanBoy64]

@@水氵 Also, it's probably a lot easier and time-saving to just source gun sounds from other games or a library than it'd be to recreate/update the old sounds

[@Damian-cilr2]

@@IkeFanBoy64 yea,although i wish there was a way to mod the original sounds back in.

[@greylatern]

Do people still play this game.

[@Damian-cilr2]

Animations,arguably better and more smooth,sounds ehhhh...bit of a downgrade,they sound a little weak,not as beefy as the original and honestly probably the worst part of these weapons,the sounds being a little weak sounding,even the ramjet sounds a little too weak

[@AlexeyDance]

Original sound more better

[@Samar3n]

Looks very nice.

[@evilassasin19]

to bad the admin abuse is really bad in renegade x or id still be playing

[@gr1mreaper1000]

Renegade x ramjet make no sense

[@IkeFanBoy64]

The Ramjet's meant to act as an Anti-Material rifle. I think it makes sense

[@dozer1323]

Sprint ruined renegade X

[@evilmind5178]

Old sounds are much better, new ones is not realistic and overall not fit big guns. People who made sound design probably never shoot. Minigun was so so, but new is just a joke, wtf is that?