C0-C6 Ayaka All Swords RANKED | Genshin Impact 2.0

[@FlyingPancake0390]

That spreadsheet looks like it took hours to complete. Thank you so much for sharing it for free - I feel like I should be paying for it lol.

[@Alpha-C]

For skyward blade, 5 burst output while other sword give 4 burst. It is like 20-25% damage on burst in rotation. All er weapon give this benefit, which didnt calculated *Another test on youtube confirm it, skyward ER can get ayaka burst 3 times while other sword (jade, misplitter, summit shaper) burst 2 times On raw assumption, this is almost same like burst damage +50% on skyward blade, but it is seperated to burst no.3 By going this route, in file excel burst 50% skyward on par or slighlyy below with jade cutter on perma freeze, above aquila too.

[@pepperpig649]

Your weapon rankings are the best I’ve seen ever!

[@Cenpi]

Very informative comparison video, thank you for breaking down the conditions behind the calcs and making it digestible for easy consumption!

[@coach8261]

man, I can't imagine the planning you've made and the results speak for itself. Detailed explanation that somehow easy to understand. You worth more subscribe and like. Keep up man.

[@alvinc783]

Ty been waiting for this

[@mexabubulik]

Thank you, that was helpful. Waiting for your analysis on ayaka constellation. Great content btw )

[@fegelxx8191]

Amazing info!!

[@enviousenvy7]

Thanks for the spreadsheet man

[@alterm1347]

Finally, someone make a video about Ayaka SubDPS/Burst type. Most guides are for DPS on field Ayaka. Thank you :D

[@LL-nu4wc]

I think the Anemona sword is the best F2P option for Ayaka because it gives us ER and it is no different from the others.

[@wheezel55]

blackcliff sword has cdmg and much better passive

[@teviar7157]

@@wheezel55 Blackcliff passive really bad because dont work in high floors abyss.

[@wheezel55]

@@teviar7157 Lmao only floor 12. Plus, it has cdmg, like I said, and higher base atk. Much better.

[@TheNightblindness]

@@wheezel55 It's not better at all I have both

[@raghid100]

@@TheNightblindness am getting so confused, i need a stright answer, right here right now , amenoma or blackcliff , please

[@GrubKiller436]

Having an Aquila Favonia is like having an R4 Blackcliff, even when the secondary stat is a dead stat (because Ayaka is using cryo attacks). Course, this is assuming the Blackcliff only has 1 stack at all times. But that shows how powerful base attack is.

[@phamton919]

Yooo, Great Video Format, love the work put into it

[@ghijunz]

Finally, been waiting for this! Thank you 🙏

[@redcloud7447]

Based video as always Im just glad I managed to dodge the skyward spine going for mistsplitter lmao. Means I can keep jade cutter on my keqing whilst giving Ayaka the new shiny sword

[@LeaksHater]

A blessing from the Goddess.

[@nazmierazali4101]

I lost the 50/50 on the weapon banner and guess what i got, the fucking skyward spine. Fucking mihoyo

[@redcloud7447]

@@nazmierazali4101 should be great on baal if you're pulling for her at least lol

[@nazmierazali4101]

@@redcloud7447 i got no primo left after all that pulls on the weapon banner tho

[@ayayaka188]

I hit pity on weapon banner as a fyp player and when the silhouette shows up I felt happy then it's the aquila favonia not the mistsplitter. My day is ruined. Now im binge watching videos on youtube to make myself feel better for pulling that sword.

[@AqwFilipino]

samee bruhhhhh

[@rice_lover]

i got lost prayers on the weapon banner and i was pretty bumbed out as welll :( im happy that my klee is strong now, but i also really wanted the new sword! the same thing happened to me when i rolled for jade cutter awhile ago, i think the game just doesn't want to give me a 5 star sword lol

[@ayayaka188]

I got a 5 star again. Guess what?? . . . . . . . . I GOT SKYWARD SPINE. IM 2/2 AND ON 20 PULLS 6 DAYS TO GO AND 6 MORE SECURED FATES. I WON'T BE GETTING THIS SWORD LIFE SUCKS LMAO

[@rice_lover]

@@ayayaka188 the same thing happened to me this morning. I was pissed and I ended up whaling for mist splitter. Sigh I hate the weapon pity system but you win some and you lose a lot I guess :( I’m praying that you’re able to get mist splitter bro!

[@Jc2469.]

Amazing guide, this was exactly what I was looking for especially since I've been running a low lvl flute for her! Time to save up for blackcliff longsword then👀

[@demoncloud6147]

These calculations seem pretty accurate as they align with my actual testing of 5-6 different swords on Ayaka

[@Spaze47]

This video is insane. I can't believe I haven't found you until now.

[@LandsoulFFXI]

2 weeks before Ayaka I pulled Favonia was so excited because my account was pretty new

[@clementwg3477]

Thanks, useful for my reference (y).

[@completestudio3770]

Thanks bud!

[@tofucube7703]

honestly just gonna use aquila because it's the only 5 star i have for ayaka

[@samodhsalwathura7848]

me too

[@kotominekirei7330]

Hmm...I have Aquila, should I buy Blackcliff? I run 4 PC Blizzard...

[@theberserkhealerbzkz4556]

It’s just really a good thing that I have filly refined Harbinger to compensate with the absence of other swords in my inventory.

[@hotlineqing]

im curious to hear ur thoughts on mistsplitter for keqing

[@hailaxel8163]

Mistsplitter is op for every dps

[@ihateverifiedbotchannels6974]

Best guide!

[@mrmrsservino388]

Can you try shatter comp? I use ayaka xingqui albedo sucrose

[@PradiftaHernanda]

so, i have R1 Aquila and R1 Blackcliff.. im confusing which one is better? if i refers to this video, is it aquila would be better for ayaka on overall dmg?

[@azuzu__224]

really very good thank

[@shevek5185]

You should take into account the lion’s roar passive for the melt comp. I know that Ayaka is not the one melting most of the time but when she does she do big dmg. It would be difficult to quantify without doing combat tests but I guarantee that it makes a big difference.

[@Benalecjohn]

You are right, I was afraid of assuming just some random uptime without any basis, so I left in inactive. Did you play around with it yourself by any chance?

[@gaekooooo2531]

Aquila favonia is considerably stronger than jade cutter. The issue is not the jade cutter which is probably the much better stat stick of the two, but the nature of cryo. With Blizzard set which you should use with ayaka and a second cryo in the party you have incredibly high crit rate already, making jade cutters crit bonus obsolete - whats left is okaish attack bonus and a rather low attack for a 5 star. Aquila on the other hand benefits from the very high attack it has. If you build your Ayaka right - aquila shines with 9-10k per hit in elemental burst, which is just sligthly behind Mistsplitter.

[@novalprabowo1539]

I can spam burst with skyward blade and fit with its passive.crit rate I get it from Blizzard and cryo resonance with freeze comp.crit dmg from her ascending.Idk why skyward blade is on very low tier.

[@muhammadluthfiadrian5284]

agree

[@TheAlkez]

Nice video as always AJ. Will you be doing another updated Keqing weapon guide as well?

[@Benalecjohn]

I will be doing one once her leaked 4 star sword is released (probably next patch). For now I'll just be updating the spreadsheet that you can access via the link under Keqing's weapon vid!

[@Trizho]

Ty for your hardwork

[@jeffreymacalino7925]

Thanks again for this! I am planning to get the weapon too but i already have the summit shaper and seeing it in your chart it competes sometimes with mistplitter and jade cutter with different playstyle. So i guess i am gonna pass on it. Great videos as usual!

[@rxxedgaming5244]

This Guy Voice is so Charming ❤️❤️❤️❤️ Always Watching His Videos ❤️❤️ Thank so much AJ Keep It Up

[@ohlettefay4594]

@AJ - phenomenal work, just what I needed! Would you say it's worth the money to spend the money to R5 mistsplitter? Difference between R1 and R5 seems to be around 15% damage.

[@Benalecjohn]

is your Ayaka already at C6? If not I'd prioritize constellations over weapon refinements. Otherwise sure, Refinements are a nice upgrade, whether it's worth it for you in terms of money, that I can't say

[@ohlettefay4594]

@@Benalecjohn yep she's already c6. Just wanted to see if it was going the extra mile for R5. Thanks for the reply! Damage difference between R5/R1 mistsplitter doesn't seem to be as big as R5/R1 homa.

[@ploaiepluvo933]

Love that aquila is actually high, i thought it's useless on her 😌 i just need 2 more BS pieces and my ayaka will be on crack

[@Syzll]

Not sure if it's just on my end or not, but on the spreadsheet, setting the Black Swords refinement from 2 - 5 makes it's value go to 0 and then into the negatives which breaks the formula.

[@Benalecjohn]

yeah you don't need to change the refinements, because each refinement already has it's separate row in which the additional damage is shown

[@spidey2229]

Any plans on doing a video on electro mc? Great content as always. :)

[@chevaliusrex]

Instead of all weapons at once. Split them into 5 star. 4 star gacha, 4 star craft able. Make the actual value a bold number instead of just a bar on a graph so players have a tangible thing to hold onto. Using percentages helps. For example beat weapon would be a 100% and then following weapons would be 100- the % they are weaker by. So like 94% for weapon 2 or whatever.

[@chevaliusrex]

% could be carried across the rankings without having them all onscreen at once.

[@Benalecjohn]

yeah that's a good idea. I'll see how I can make that work, thank you!

[@chevaliusrex]

@@Benalecjohn my gf and a good friend are both dyslexic and neither of them can handle boat loads of small numbers or letters on screen. Just looking out lol keep up the good work man.

[@eL-wj5tx]

is skyward blade really that low? below the flute? come on now

[@jcn268]

it has energy recharge as its substat ,it already shouts out that its a support weapon

[@katl8825]

Opinions on atk% hat for mistsplitter permafreeze?

[@Benalecjohn]

Depends on your stats, if your crit is high already (100:200) and you're low on atk it's a good choice

[@katl8825]

@@Benalecjohn thank you!

[@xprince1402]

@@Benalecjohn 30/230 crit rate/crit dmg (without Cryo res and +40 crit rate bonus) , should I change to ATK% circlet?

[@Benalecjohn]

@@xprince1402 how much atk do you have atm?

[@BuzzlightyearinactionSaSenado]

does aquila favonia is good for ayaka? Or should i use blackcliff ?

[@effab1e200]

blackcliff if you have it

[@trexkiro9200]

aquila

[@merosk8071]

Nice calculation ,but do you think someone who already have Jade cutter should roll for Mist since this sword seems so much stronger in every way? Been running Jade cutter 67/232 Ayaka C0 (2bliz+2glad) with Kazuha C0 with frreedon sworn(kazuha provide too much dmg% bonus) , but im still tempted to get mist (60% i might not go for it),reason im tempted is chances that Raiden shogun might use sword /it might not get a rerun etc.. Whats your thought?

[@Benalecjohn]

Probably not worth it to be honest. You're not doing 4P blizzard strayer anyway, so you need the crit rate. Weapon banner is risky too

[@merosk8071]

@@Benalecjohn Have 4p blizz sets.the reason im not using it is because of jade cutter.Thanks and lets hope we get more news about baal's weapon

[@toulet6500]

Just asking, should I craft the new amenogeoanemo sword or should I just stick with blacksword? Cuz I think I have a little too much crit rate with bs. My stat is 64/168 for now.

[@Benalecjohn]

yeah in that case Amenoma should be better, you're wasting a lot of crit with Black Sword

[@toulet6500]

@@Benalecjohn alright thx

[@huybui-rn8vc]

which weapon would be better Harbinger of Dawn or Amenoma Katana?

[@milkasch0kolade538]

Is playing melt Ayaka with Lion Roar worth or should I buy Blackcliff?

[@travisl1759]

R5 blacksword here hope you mention it before I watch

[@ichnichtdu3968]

Just lost 50/50 and got keqing, saw your keqing vid which made me excited. Then I saw this and noticing ayaka doing basically double the damage. After checking both spreadsheets to compare, i noticed that Ayakas worst sword does more damage than keqings best Kind of ridiculous, or maybe i misunderstood something

[@yoshitsune5691]

Lol I got Ayaka, then after getting the free Acquaint fate from Ayaka, I got my first Keqing

[@angrycat2141]

Thanks, finally i can decide my cheap choice. R5 harbinger

[@Gorpax]

I have blackcliff r1 lv 90 and just got aquila favonia is worth to level up it to lv 90?

[@Benalecjohn]

It is an upgrade, but not an urgent one if you're short on resources. Aquila is also great on Bennett because of its high base atk

[@imamudkiphugger]

Hey Alec I’ve been wondering what Crit rate % should I aim for on my character sheet with 4pc bliz? Right now I’m sitting at 17.1% cr and 289% cd. Is my Crit rate too low. It is hard to find info on what I should be aiming for on the internet as I’ll be gaining up to 55% and don’t want to cap I’m not sure.

[@Benalecjohn]

45% is ideal. you gain 55% from cryo resonance and 4BS, which gets you to 100. with 17% crit you'd reach 72% max, which is rather low. I'd get more crate on your artis or even run Black Sword, you can definitely lower that CDMG for a bit of crate

[@EJ-kc9ud]

Can anyone explain to me how Blackcliff Longsword's passive work? Does it work the same way as Pyro Resonance? Which increase the character's attack based on the 20% of their own Base Attack(Character plus Weapon's base attack). It would really help thank youuuuuu

[@Benalecjohn]

Yes, all atk% buffs work that way, they scale with your base atk (lv + weapon, white atk number in your Stat sheet)

[@Gooningenthusiast]

So should I use the black cliff? I have well enough crit rate but I don’t know if the crit dmg makes up for the passive ability. Can anyone let me know if the crit dmg makes up for the passive

[@Rin._._]

u said crit dmg/crit rate circlet depending on the weapon what circlet did u use for mist splitter ? specify pls ( i may have missed the part if i did sorry)

[@MadeInBmore23]

Normally if your weapon is crit rate your circlet is crit dmg but doubling down on crit dmg with ayaka isn't a bad idea if your using the blizzard strayer set and have decent crit rate from your artifact sub stats

[@Rin._._]

@@MadeInBmore23 thats what i was thinking, i feel like mist splitter should be way ahead thats why i asked, its a waste using a crit rate circlet on her

[@Benalecjohn]

45% is the ideal crit rate for Blizzard ayaka. As long as you get there it doesn't matter how, either through substats or a crit rate circlet. In the video, for mistsplitter it's a crit dmg circlet on freeze ayaka and critrate circlet on melt ayaka

[@Rin._._]

@@Benalecjohn oh ok thankyou

[@nostamors4705]

Why don’t you try the fillet blade with Ayaka

[@xMisterkinox]

I wish I had summit shapper, I wanted it for jean at least, I got the new sword i'm glad but still miss jade cutter that i really want, but tell me you did whale Ayaka C6 you wanted her ?

[@Benalecjohn]

I didn't whale, I got her at c0 and mist r1 without top-ups.

[@xMisterkinox]

@@Benalecjohn Ah you didn't planned to do C6 ? I thought u had her C6 already

[@Benalecjohn]

@@xMisterkinox naah, I'm already saving up again for yae (and probably kokomi?)

[@xMisterkinox]

@@Benalecjohn Great ! Best of Luck for your next wishes :) I like Yae she"s so Elegant

[@Yourtypicalaharifan]

So il use black cliff sword for ayaka and give my aquila to bennet. That's good right pls answer☺️

[@Benalecjohn]

Sounds great

[@TheTetraLive]

One question whats better: Ayaka C6 or her weapon R5? Its always better to get the Constellations buffs right? Im still in a dilemma I have Eula C6 and Ayaka C0 and mistsplitter R1 Id like to know how Ayaka C6 compares to my Eula and if its "worth it" for me. Im still wondering. Can someone help me?

[@lancaster0___395]

C4 is a big buff to her damage and a good place to stop.

[@Benalecjohn]

If you already have r1 mist, then going for constellations will be the bigger dmg boost

[@TheTetraLive]

Thank you guys for your advices, that was really helpful for me.

[@bongolzxc]

how about mistsplitter on electro keqing?

[@Benalecjohn]

Best in slot and looks sick too 😍

[@yukariyoshisaki6333]

why no mention of viridescent venerer or did i just miss it

[@Benalecjohn]

I did not include any resistances (and with that, resistance shred)

[@pedrocsheen]

I'm so glad I got the mistsplitter

[@shijou2867]

what about Zhonglis shield elemental shred on enemy?

[@angelsadventure4996]

Me with my Black Sword : I'll have CRIT! Yup. Gonna flex my 100,8% crit rate on frozen ennemies.

[@Konpekikaminari]

despite running freeze, I'm using Jade Cutter on Ayaka with melt artifacts, because while my Gacha luck was merciful, my artifact luck allowed for only 2 decent Blizzard artifacts and for tons of HP%

[@Shameless747]

I’m not running freeze should I keep using blizzard for the 20% Cryo crit rate ? Or change to two pieces Using jade cutter

[@amphiptered.5355]

Thanks for doing the math. It's much appreciated! May I request a video on electro Traveler?

[@Benalecjohn]

Do you mean a weapon ranking? Or is there something else you'd like to know about Electro traveler

[@Yuna-vt7hf]

@@Benalecjohn Weapon ranking is fine (i don't have that many choices), maybe also build? I'm currently using Electro MC and im having fun..!

[@jaranis9273]

@@Benalecjohn btw is ayaka c6 op?

[@Benalecjohn]

@@jaranis9273 c0 is op already haha, C6 specifically I d say is not that much of a boost, more a quality of life feature for omega whale quickswap comps

[@jaranis9273]

@@Benalecjohn oh i see but the c4 is pretty dope cuz of the def decrease...

[@grover3028]

That black cliff calcs are with passives?

[@Benalecjohn]

Yep 1 stack

[@randommodnar103]

Wow i didnt expect for the Skyward Blade to be that low its passive seems good tho.

[@VaIkyire]

i thought itll be too, but then realised its like the crescent pike passive (phys dmg, useless in a cryo build) rather than increasing charged attack damage... I totally misread it.

[@GenshinHistorian]

Does skyward passive apply on cryo ayaka?

[@Benalecjohn]

Yes but it deals physical damage

[@realcontent5934]

So is skyward blade viable for ayaka or should I just use a r4 flute

[@givinnatanlie4619]

As the video stated, energy recharge stats doesn’t shine in this list as it only compares dmg of 1 rotation. Test out your rotation and see if you need the energy recharge from skyward to cover the downtime. Most people would just use a battery cryo character instead of er weapon.

[@Blink__5]

10/10 nice vid

[@darkphanthom8741]

Ummm sooo, what is the conclusion 🤔?

[@Benalecjohn]

Well, the conclusion is it depends on what you're trying to do, as always.. But roughly speaking: 1. Mistsplitter 2. Summit 3. Jade 4. Aquila 5. Blackcliff

[@FK8.3rick]

Hey, what about having Qiqi instead of Diona?

[@katl8825]

D: char that generates 0 energy vs best cryo battery in the game

[@Benalecjohn]

Yeah sadly qiqi doesn't help generate energy

[@FK8.3rick]

@@Benalecjohn ah I see so basically Diona is better because she can generate energy

[@mkui338]

Should I use blackcliff longsword or the Amenoma katana?

[@nicolasgracia1040]

I would say Amenoma if you can refine it to r5. Lower damage but much better passive that helps you to get the ult which is the main part of Ayaka's damage.

[@mkui338]

@@nicolasgracia1040 I can only refine it up to R3, but thatll use up all my sword billets

[@nicolasgracia1040]

@@mkui338 You can get 1 billet from the sakura tree and 1 from the recipe mission

[@mkui338]

@@nicolasgracia1040 oh no, that's the reason why I have 3 billets

[@nicolasgracia1040]

@@mkui338 Oh, then use Blackcliff instead.

[@normaldude9736]

Will you do keqing

[@Janis5555]

realy good video again. but i think you mised out on one thing, wich is that primorial jade cutter does likely not only have 15/25 good stats cause her hp is convertet into dmg with that weapon well at least partwise

[@myscat]

It is not that important to be honest. But yea, jade cutter can totally be okay on ayaka even with full blizzard, but it requires other substats, crit damage as high as possible, atk% and recharge and no crit rate. You get 89% with full blizzard set and 109% with cryo resonance so any crit rate stat will be useless. But if you manage to get god rolls on crit damage then it could be very good even considering that you are losing 9% crit rate

[@Janis5555]

@@myscat yeah i know i use it wit 109% and 220% crit dmg

[@300pingguy]

I don't even pull for ayaka why am I here so soon 😂

[@MKTheNord]

My f2p r4 Amenoma is waiting for her to come home 😩😩

[@AK-fo9fg]

Lion's Roar?

[@nikipon]

What about cool steel? :

[@Ali_ReBORN]

I went in the weapon banner knowing it is still a trap! Paid $300 and got one Mistsplitter Sword! I doubt i will ever roll on the weapon banner in the future!

[@Benalecjohn]

Damn that hurts... Hoep you get lucky next time

[@Ali_ReBORN]

@@Benalecjohn yeah bro, even lost the 50/50 at the 77th wish! From my whaling on this game since launch i have a feeling they rig the day one chances! Out of the 98 wishes i made yesterday only 2 Yanfei dropped! I will wait a week from now on lol..

[@Benalecjohn]

@@Ali_ReBORN Haha, that's sad to hear. But I don't think they rig it to be honest, because so far I've gotten every weapon I ever wanted on the first pity each (Jade, Harp, and now Mist)...

[@Ali_ReBORN]

@@Benalecjohn That was me until 2 months ago! Lol.. i’m glad you have the luck still! All the best bro!

[@happy6440]

aquila favonia good?

[@Benalecjohn]

Yes :)

[@charliisaqueen1243]

Is festering desire good 🥺

[@Benalecjohn]

Sadly not for dmg my friend, but better than nothing, and it has good ER

[@charliisaqueen1243]

@@Benalecjohn doesn't it buff her element skill and burst with is her main source of damage 🥺

[@Benalecjohn]

@@charliisaqueen1243 it only buffs her elemental skill, which is her most insignificant source of damage :(

[@elknolasshrineofraja3966]

🌸🌹I await to have my horizons broaden upon the fruits of insight, thus I await the conclusion of your verdict🌹🌸

[@hibby2729]

Why is Amenoma always ranked so low in "calculations"? Some reddit posts for people who personally tried Blackcliff and Amenoma on Ayaka, Amenoma outdamages it.

[@von.xix000]

I'm also wondering the same thing. I don't have enough glitters for the black cliff so I'm planning to craft amenoma instead

[@ButterflySimmer]

Is that the new weapon?

[@lukitohaland]

Moreover, how tf R5 harbringer outdamage amenoma?

[@christopheantoine5472]

just because they compare the raw dmg of each weapon. Among these, there is one that will allow your burst to be available more often, which brings a noticable extra dmg, but practically difficult to measure with numbers on the screen ;) These tests are biased when it comes to evaluate the indirect extra dmg from amenoma's passive.

[@michelm3169]

My black sword is amazing in my ayaka

[@leonardotravesso]

Black sword the beast weapon for ayaka

[@michelm3169]

@@leonardotravesso bro that damage and that heal are fucking crazy

[@teucerceoofgenshincreative8019]

I just hope no one uses Kazuha, BECAUSE I FREAKING DONT HAVE HIM

[@yubinator7455]

I thought getting the Blacksword is not a good idea. turns out is is ok lmao

[@jaschaamielmalik2245]

Iron Sting on Ayaka slaps

[@nashreal4540]

welp time to put my skyward blade on... traveller~

[@infinitekaister]

Black sword easily out damage blackcliff, given you know how to balance the ratios. (35% crit rate and max out on crit damage)

[@Bruh-rs6cp]

Yea, 27% crit rate is no joke. Basically u can go 54% cdmg. Which is higher than blackcliff

[@CDJaramillo92]

Yes, but with 4PC of Blizzard Strayer the Crit Rate is useless because with the 4PC you gain 40% Crit Rate, also if you have Rosaria is an extra Crit Rate from her burst and 15% from Cryo resonance so is a overkill in crit rate, at least if you use 2 Blizzard and 2 Gladiator.

[@dekuneki9129]

Melt ayaka doesn't work that much. You cannot melt the ult consistently.

[@alhazred5013]

im glad my aquila is top 4. me an f2p with no luck on weapon banner :(

[@muhammadafif4023]

Same 🤣 was waiting for this kind of vid...

[@Terrakol]

I really hope to see Cool steel on the chart, but it doesn't exist.

[@Saleem__786]

seems like r5 blackcliff is better than Aquila

[@jacktherapper7821]

Should i use aquila or blackcliff ?

[@zypherious5536]

Im here also to know coz i lose and got aquila

[@Benalecjohn]

Aquila if you ask me, especially if you run ttds or any other %atk buffs, because of Aquila's high base atk

[@lilmcbean9654]

RIP lions roar I use lions roar

[@VictusPrime]

Since when did you whale on this game?

[@Benalecjohn]

Haven't, got lucky again