C208 Caravan vs Smokestack Final Report Update

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C208 Caravan vs Smokestack Final Report Update
IFR Mins- Ducking below the MDA
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@TheInvoice123

I support Dan Gryder agitating for better safety. Anyone deny we all want safety?

@asho1735

What I'm getting from this video is that the pilot screwed up, Dan screwed up, possibly the potato plant screwed up. But why didn't the airport manager or FAA NOTAM the approach after they learned about the violations and improper obstruction height on the charts? The approach plate is still out there as if nothing happened.

@thefamilythatfliestogether

Nice analysis of the incident. In regards to the youtuber who shall not be named, he showed up long after the incident/end of NTSB investigation and the tower was on the ground waiting to be recycled or thrown away. He saved the non-approved FAA light allowing for lawsuits which will allow those responsible to pay up and for the FAA to realize its lack of attention regarding safety.

@christheother9088 Күн бұрын

Now I see it. The concerns about icing ( no flaps) and the runway surface (don't land long) put the big squeeze on. Her worries about those conditions may have overrode her concerns about the stacks. She didn't want to be high.

@user-lq7hf1ww3k

DG RECOMMENDS; No banks over 30 if under 2,500 agl EVEN on lighplanes. But.. Not even on tailwind section of GRM? Or Box Canyon Turns? Or short approaches, or Emergency Spirals? Only Mild Maneuvering anti banking pilot? You need to turn up to 45 bank on those maneuvers many times or overshoot the turn. That is BS advise. And if IFR encounter by VFR only pilot to keep climbing to on top. WTF BS RECOMMENDATIONS. Recommending PILOT ERRORS.

@Saltlick11

Good report. I think you've best encapsulated the various pressure points better than other reporting. Many things here can be true, but fundamentally, the pressure to land in spite of very challenging circumstances is at the core of this accident. My only bone to pick is the flaps and speeds, both less than optimal (as I sit here on my comfy coach and Monday morning QB)...I prefer to have at least 10 deg of flaps at FAF and once established full allowed flaps and on speed. This makes a huge difference in deck angle in high wing Cessna's and very likely may have aided her in forward vision. The story saddens me because she was trying her best to achieve the objective and based upon your info may have certainly felt pressure since she had a previous diversion. Ducking below or simple sinking due to other factors such as speed are all signs that she was really under pressure and trying hard to complete the job. RIP aviator, very sad to lose you.

@MegaSunspark

This is a perfect soup of factors waiting to happen. The smoke stack inline with the runway belching vapor and steam into the flightpath, uncontrolled airport, snowy, icy weather, ice/snow contaminated runway, pilot going below MDA. If that factory with that smoke stack wasn't there, this accident never would've happened. How the FAA, the state, or the local municipality ever gave permission for that factory to be built with smoke stacks in that particular location inline with a runway of a very nearby airport is just beyond comprehension.

@emergencylowmaneuvering7350

There are photos of her airplane flying low and slow WITH NO FLAPS and slighly under the smoke stack. Like if she retracted the flaps and sunk over 100 feet under the approach profile and didnt put power first to go around. Why so low and slow and no flaps? That is a huge pilot error. Once i had a nervous student that had the bad habit of taking all flaps up when needed to put power first to go around. Took 3 more go arounds for him to stop trying to take flaps up first.

@Neil_

The other youtuber has made a public enemy out of nearly every other person/community he has once featured on his channel as friends. The common denominator in all these conflicts in the other youtuber. He should be left alone to bask in the accolades of his increasingly non-aviating ambulance chasing fanbase.

@gtr1952

I don't know Scott, I watched Juan's take on it too. If those stacks puked a load of steam, low viz and density altitude could have been involved maybe? She couldn't see, and it dropped like a box of rocks in the cloud? Especially if she had no flaps at all in? That whole scenario sounds hard to duplicate for testing? It's a shame, she was so young and had a great future ahead in aviation. It's easy to say, but I hope they eliminate the stacks or move the airport!! Thanks, JMHO --gary PS; No comment on the other thing. 8(

@kevinfoley8105

Thank you for being a class act, and for calling it like you see it without overt hostility.

@joncox9719

What a tragedy! My heart goes out to the Family who lost their wonderful daughter! Prayers to all! Great summary Scott! Very well presented, thank you for all of your hard work and making other pilots learn from these tragic mistakes that could happen to any of us! 😥🙏

@jamesbillington9280

Thanks for posting and keeping things drama-free.

@dgs0011

You are a true gentleman and a professional Mr Flywire. Much respect to you. Reporting the facts and subtle as a sledgehammer at the end . 👍

@richardgreen6857

Thank you Scott for a concise and informative explanation…I’ve watched all of the videos about this incident (I think) and drama following a loss of life like this is not terribly helpful. Even though it’s apparent that the young woman descended below MDA, I truly hope the business is taken to task for the installation, subsequent raising, lack of consultation and follow through on properly marking that stack…

@RG-ja34sep

Thanks Scott for your input on this unfortunate tragedy. It’s always great to listen to a complete expert’s perspective and analysis on the accident.

@quintincairncross1088

I really feel for this pilot. It is telling that she could see the runway but not the smokestack, so she continues below MDA. Then suddenly, a smoke stack looms up into her vision, too late to avoid.