C400 I A C70 Owners Perspective

[@nes.torfernandez]

I'll probably be selling my C70, the DSMC2 Dragon 6K, and the R5C, and I'm getting the C400 and whatever Canon announces to replace the R5, since I still need a stills/hybrid small and compact mirrorless camera. If something, I would be unsure about replacing my C70 with the C400 😬

[@DaveBurns88]

It is def something I have to think about. I know we have plenty of work to justify it but does the camera answer enough of my issues with the c70. Thanks for watching! I appreciate your feedback!

[@urielsantistebanfilms]

The only thing preventing me from preordering this one is the lack of DGO tech in it. However I’m really positive I’ll end up buying it anyway because it seems the DR difference is close to null and in exchange I get everything that the C70 was lacking that for me was: Full Frame Better AF And the huge unexpected bonus: being able to shoot natively at 12500 ISO. I mean, wow, that in my line of work is huge.

[@DaveBurns88]

I am leaning towards getting one as well. I agree the big selling point here is the triple native ISO. Full frame isn’t a huge thing for me but it welcomed and any upgrade to an autofocus system is great. Thanks for watching!

[@doug_EX]

The problem with the C70 is lens choices. Being a crop sensor camera, the choices are limited without a speed booster. The new 24-105 2.8 would be amazing with the C400.

[@DaveBurns88]

I agree the lens choice for S35 is basically non-existent. I think now that Canon is letting third parties make RF mount lenses we will see a new 18-35 sigma RF. Canon seemed to try to bridge the gap when it started just giving the RF to EF speed booster away when you buy a C70. That 24-105 is going to be documentary power house once the c400 comes out

[@RobRanney]

If you own EF lenses it's not an issue. The 0.71x RF to EF adapter on the C70 achieves a *very close* to full frame field of view from my EF lenses- which I'm grateful for because I haven't had to jump ship on my EF glass and replace everything with RF lenses. For my clients, the C400 doesn't offer enough to upend my current workflow.

[@baekmedier]

The C400 is awesome!! BUT.. What i love about my two C70s is that the DGO sensor saves hightlights like crazy. almost like film cameras does it.. )im not impressed by the shadowns.. and I think thats where the dual native isos come in and win the race. I also own the R5C and that have dual base isos in c-log 3 at 800 and 3200 iso.. and its way cleaner in the shadows than the DGO sensor is.. but I like the C70 more. For me it makes no sense to "down grade" or upgrade depending on what you are filming. And if I was to, it would be to change one of my C70 to a C300 instead to get a A-cam C300 and b-cam C300 mark 3. We need Canon to kick Sony in the stomack by developing a camera with full frame DGO sensor with good rolling shutter. Sony is focusing on high iso and IBIS now.. Canon should go a different way.. Sony is more like RED.. and Canon looks more towards Arri (or at least they did before now)

[@DaveBurns88]

That is a good perspective! I've never thought of Sony like Red and Canon like Arri, but I can see that especially with Canon using DGO sensors (sometimes). I feel like Canon is in a slugfest with itself trying to get everyone over to the RF mount. As of right now all of our cameras are RF mounts with EF adapters on them, and I'd like to move to the RF but it is just so expensive. Which I don't think is terrible, but from a business standpoint, no point in updating the lens when the lens isn't causing issues. We'd just be spending money to get to the RF mount, not like that is going to make us more money lol. Canon is just in a weird situation. Thanks for watching! I appreciate the comment!

[@baekmedier]

@@DaveBurns88 my thougts always goes like this: Can this product save me time in post 😅 - Or: can this product save me hassle and time when setting up for an interview. My thoughs about the C400 for my situation would only work if I sold my C70s and my R5C camera and all my EF glass and just got two C400s and two RF 24-105 f2.8 lenses 😆 It would give me less to carry around, and would take up less time in the setup process. But I like the DGO sensor in the c300 mark 3 and when Canon made the C70 I got two of them with speedboosters on and EF trinity + 4 primes 🫣 done deal.

[@hunter2014100]

I have always thought the same about Sony and Canon. I'm a c300mkiii owner and man, the DGO sensor they made is pure magic. Sony is chsing K's while Canon is chasing dynamic range. Well, atleast they were with the 300mkiii and c70. They should continue to follow in the footsteps of Arri 100%. I'll take greater dynamic range over resolution.

[@Jimmybeakble]

@@hunter2014100 Im with you there.. DR any time. the c300 mark 3 is awesome. I just dream of getting more RF lenses.. they are really sharp and have good contrast.

[@RZtheDP]

Nice one, Dave! Not bashing Canon but too little too late. I shot Canon forever and jumped ship to Sony. I got tired of the cripple hammer and being disappointed and underwhelmed with each new release. I won’t be switching back but it’ll be interesting to see what happens with this one. Cheers!

[@DaveBurns88]

Thanks man! I really appreciate that! I don’t blame you! Canon was way too slow to respond and they love their cripple hammer. There have been times I’ve considered switching but I haven’t experienced anything so glaring that I needed to….yet! Thanks for watching!

[@jujus_reviews]

Thoughts on the c80?

[@hawaiifreespeechnews]

The R3 has a beautiful standard image so much so I rarely shoot in raw. Will the C400 have an even nicer standard 4K image than the R3?

[@DaveBurns88]

Hard to say without doing a side by side. The R3 is giving an oversampled 4K image as well. What I would be looking at is how much sharpening is going on in a processed image. The C70 is known to have a softer image compared to many of Canon's camera's. Not sure how much sharpening is happening in a C400 image. I'd be interested to see how they compare straight out of camera though!

[@csteingraber]

I wish there was some clarity on how triple base iso compares with dgo. Because it seems to not have like dgo which is merging hdr data every frame. When I bought the c300mark3 and the c70 came out right after for half the price im hoping for a full frame c70 upgrade honestly. Ideally a large format flagship model too. Im a big fan of the dgo it comes out so clean for someone not having to deal with raw. Right now my dream camera would be a full frame c70 replacement if it had dgo and eventually a large format version. Is that too much to ask for?

[@DaveBurns88]

I was surprised they didn't go with the DGO sensor, I'm wondering if there are limitations on getting into a full frame camera. The CVP video shows some pretty impressive dynamic range out of the C400, so personally I'm not super concerned, but as with anything you have to test it out yourself. I'm so used to the DGO sensor that it might be a deal breaker for me as well. Thanks for watching!

[@urielsantistebanfilms]

Full Frame C70 will not happen. That’s the S35 area for Canon it would cannibalize this camera sales. It could, however, happen in a C300 Mark IV probably but I’m really unsure as well.

[@linoherde]

@@urielsantistebanfilmsand now we actually got a FF C70 with the C80.. ;) but I‘m still concerned because its not a ff dgo sensor, so most likely its the same triple iso sensor from the c400, so I would see the C80 more like a c400 in a smaller body.

[@urielsantistebanfilms]

@@linoherde Surprise from Canon indeed. It is the same sensor as the C400 according to them.

[@charlesteton]

Form factor! Everyone has been whinging that Canon’s Cinema cameras were not boxy enough, now it is! 😭😭😭

[@charlesteton]

RF mount is a lot more adaptable. My thoughts as others have said, too late to the party.

[@DaveBurns88]

Yea, I think it depends on how boxy you want to go. The c200 was pretty boxy in my opinion. It didn’t have the same build out ability that the Komodo and the Pyxis has now. The C70 is great and until I started to pair it with shoulder rigs and easy rigs is when I really felt that pain point. If most of my work was tripod or even handheld I probably wouldn’t consider upgrading, especially looking at the cost of the c400. I appreciate the input! Thanks!

[@charlesteton]

@@DaveBurns88 Thanks for reply, I have C300 MK II, pretty happy with it but will probably buy a uses MK III when prices start dropping. Crazy prices for C200 here in the UK, seen them going for around £1,100 UKP. C