Caddx Loris // 4K UltraHD // Cinewhoop Cam?

[@antonioalemar5406]

Nick, great camera review as always. I just bump into this one, I know it was a while ago but to answer your question, Caddx does make the Tarsier which records in 4K and the dual camera concept virtually eliminates latency. The FPV camera is basically a Ratel which is one of the best looking cameras out there for analog. Very happy with the Tarsier. The only con is the weight.

[@jensonphil7350]

This camera have some problems. 1. Sharpness is not active 2. `evo` is adapted fpv mode only, instead of video 3. Camera colors change to monochrome at low light, but not cameback colors though brighten again 4. It is more heavier than their discription(10g) Albert kim(first reviewer) received 10.3g version,In my case and Gal kremer were 11.6g 5.It happens frame drops at fpv mode 6.It is not support iso menu as like runcam split 4 7.Rx,Tx pads not active at betaflight 8. White balance is not good, Red color was exaggerate

[@DutchRC]

Thanks for the review sir :) the FPV is indeed a bit "mwah".. Did you review the last Hawkeye spilt camera? It's FPV view is far better but then the camera is also quite a bit bigger.. Cheers and stay safe over there!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I didn't review the hawkeye. I wonder how many of these cameras sell based on "HD" recording over fpv.

[@DutchRC]

@@NickBurnsFPV ALL of them ;) But I must say the FPV experience looked to be worse then I'm used to.. But in general you were spot on: you need to know the spot with these camera's :)

[@Andy-to7xu]

Maybe not common in FPV videos, but I know video creators will sometime record in 4K, but edit out a 1080/2.7k, so they could zoom in or crop and still have plenty of resolution and detail.

[@wingsounds13]

You asked, so... For me, putting a camera in the aircraft is all about the interactive experience of flying. Unlike many it seems, I find watching FPV videos of quads or planes flying incredibly boring - if I get past 10 seconds then the video must be extremely captivating. I almost never record DVR in my goggles even though it can sometimes make it easier to find the quad when I crash. My favorite quads are 2.5" & 3" toothpicks and those are sensitive to every gram you put on them. All that said, to me anything that does not put video in my goggles is a wast of money and a waste of mass. HD video in the goggles would be great, but neither my bank account or my favorite toothpick quads can afford the cost and weight. Maybe in another few years... :-)

[@propsoff]

Hardest working FPVer on KZbin! Great job Nick.. I have been in the dumps for a few weeks and haven't filmed anything (well one video, but I scrapped it).. Thanks Nick...👍🏻🍻👊🏻

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Now is an especially difficult time to stay positive.

[@michey7822]

Nick, i think we are on the same line of thought here. Watching this review to check if i should consider buying it.. Im no prof videographer and have stayed with 1080p 60fps...i have the runcam hybrid, but decided to just stick with 1080p settings.. i noticed that runcam had better fpv feed (split1, split 2 as compared to caddx turtle v2). I think the caddx 1080p recording is way better though. Split 3 fpv feed has improved too...so for me, caddx won on the 1080p recording, but runcam won on the fpv feed...

[@WBBlocker]

Agree with ya nick. Very cool that we’re getting high quality 4K recordings in something this small. But if you can’t see thru your fpv, how useful is this really? I’d love to see more innovations in fpv camera quality. Especially changes in light to dark. Great video as always-keep up the awesome work!

[@ojkolsrud1]

I tried suggesting over at Albert Kim's channel that it would be cool to have a product like this, just *without* FPV at all. I got shot down there, because you can always take a product like this for HD and use a proper FPV camera in addition to it. Well, my assumption is that the product might be cheaper and lighter if you don't have any of the analog portions of the system. To have a quad with two FPV systems just to have HD on one of them seems like a waste to me. What do you guys think?

[@ozner1981]

Its as good as not spending $300 on a gopro...

[@Schradermusic]

You can put this on a whoop and record great footage from parties and other events.

[@shogunemperor]

WOW! This is amazing! The addition of the multi-mount is awesome

[@alexmoil6256]

Vidéo in Googles is the priority for pilots, vidéos are for spectators ;))

[@CarbonGlassMan]

I think it looks great. It's no gopro but getting a gopro is not an option for tiny micro quads. You're right though. The fpv view sucks.

[@johncarold]

Hi Nick Great video and review of the Caddx Loris and I like it, I can fit this in any of my favorite micros and I'm happy with the video. Thanks for the video and information

[@taterfpv]

Thanks Nick. I would love to see a setup with an excellent FPV view like the Tarsier, but have a raw or unprocessed HD image on the SD. If you just want a good looking record of your flight, there are a bunch of existing products, but if you want to grade the footage along with GoPro stuff etc. the processed images are just not great.

[@NoAgendaFPV]

Great review, I will likely grab one of these when I need another FPV/HD camera. I have a few TurtleV2s and they work well, but for basically the same price why not go up the 4K option (flying fixed wing)?

[@akeem11h]

Thanks a lot for sharing, wanting to increase flight time by not adding gopro, also building 21700 bat paks.

[@nikfpv3456]

4K would allow for doing post processing image stabilization without loosing resolution when a final export is 1080. Along the same line someone could crop in 2X. But overall 1080 is fine for most cases. Some gear heads just want that max resolution.

[@-Gruntled]

I'm glad that you continue to focus on the FPV view. I feel like FPV is the priority and recording is secondary for me. While I continue to look at reviews of the HD/4K cameras, I have yet to buy one. If the video doesn't look great for FPV I'm not interested. That's why I fly, but I occasionally record and would appreciate HD when recording vs the lame FS HDO DVR. If DJI ever gets light enough on the quad I might prefer to have great FPV and occasional recording. I've seen the de-cased Vista which is heading the right direction for sure!

[@Sully365]

after having the original caddx, i can TOTALLY say that the FPV view is paramount. Runcam did it well and caddx is still struggling with this from what i'm seeing. This one isn't that bad but runcam has the only one i can fly reliably without knowing exactly where i am.

[@ojkolsrud1]

The Caddx Tarsier produces a very good FPV image though, in addition to a very nice HD image. I'd recommend the Runcam Hybrid, though. The Tarsier is just way too brittle.

[@Sully365]

@@ojkolsrud1 agreed on the tarsier... Plus the weight

[@AGILISFPV]

Doesnt look bad at all nice video. 4k looks like it needs help with dynamic range but wow this size/weight is great.

[@charleswarwick4849]

Actually the audio is quite good, probably some of the best audio from a split style camera I've seen. Maybe this cam is going to be best suited for a dual camera setup.

[@thecraftking113]

4k I personally never use it but.for me fpv feed is the most important thing they all record decient IMO👍 tarsier is best feed I've seen yet 👍

[@Litriem]

I would use the 4k for applications such as a commercial shoot through a hotel or restaurant. Also 4 k allows for more pixels, so when editing and then outputting at a lower resolution the edits won’t show.

[@TMacFPV]

Thank you - "in FPV, we need to see an improvement in the FPV view."-Yes! 👍 HD video is nice, but not at the expense of the flight experience IMO. A Baby Tarsier (2 lens) would be nice. Just sayin'

[@krzysztofkrol7554]

hi Nick, really great video !!:) Does caddx works with Dji system only (for transmiting video), or other 5.8 ghz systems too (otg for smartphones for example)?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The caddx vista and new caddx air unit are both specific to the dji goggles. The nebula line of cameras are also specific to the dji goggles. Otherwise they are analog transmission.

[@tommysin1834]

@@NickBurnsFPV do you have to have DJI goggles to use them? For example can I hook up caddx polar to a vtx to receive video on my monitor instead DJI goggles? Sorry I’m new in fpv, and I’m into looking for a good night cam.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@tommysin1834 The only monitor I am aware of, the dji smart controller, still requires the dji fpv goggles to conntect to and thus see the video on the smart controller.

[@maadfisher]

Oof that fpv view is horrible! The dvr is nice looking, but the FPV feed is a deal breaker for me. Thanks for another great review.

[@CaptCalgary]

Great review !! Answered all my questions !!!

[@TheEviling]

I am not a the point yet where i would keep 4k footage, but in the future i most likely will. As for recording in 4K, the great thing is that when scaling down 4k to 1080p you tend to get much better 1080p footage. If it wasnt for DJI having released a really awesome all in one camera, i probably would have found these now split style cameras more interesting, but the DJI is just too good.

[@Eazytarget]

What’s the best way to look up frames this would fit? I’m looking for the smallest build I could use this on. Slow flying steady video.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I would look at rotorbuilds.com, many get creative and find ways to mount.

[@Eazytarget]

Nick Burns cool thanks

[@housinit]

Holy MOLY! The FPV view is beyond horrible! I still haven't gotten my hands on the Runcam Split 3(or whatever its called). The Runcam definitely looks better, hands down, for the FPV view per your review. The 4k isn't all that bad though on this Loris. But seriously, I don't think I could fly with the FPV view, i'm blind as it is already! Great review as usual Nick! Been meaning to ask, have you tried that repair tape I suggested? The repair I made on my Shutterbug85 has held up quite well, it hasn't managed to let go like it did the first time I tried it.

[@onedoorfilms]

So this has a good enough range to use for drones as you have done?

[@dempa3]

Beautiful. Though I wish it had hdmi out, so that it could be used with OpenHd fpv system.

[@darkness0334]

I would simply not be interested because at my current state, I believe the ability to save 4k video is very cool but very novel at best, mostly because I'm still just learning FPV piloting and Im way more interested in the FPV view then any dvr recording quality. All that said, thanks for sharing another awesome review!

[@licensetodrive9930]

The FPV feed is a bit dire, underwhelming brightness from the contrast level being too low and it's squashing a 16:9 picture into 4:3 (unless you're flying with 16:9 goggles). edit: I hadn't got as far as seeing the menu system, does the 4:3 chop the sides off or is the sensor 4:3 aspect ratio? But the recording quality is good, so use your favourite FPV camera to fly with and the Loris for recording ?

[@dronedelhi3700]

What about low light. My loris night time is very bad footage . Horizontal lines in the dark spots . Have you tried flying with it at night ?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I believe all of these cameras that record hd on board and also serve as the fpv camera have poor low light performance.

[@FPVMgunit13]

I have to totally agree that the mobula 6 HD cam is awesome and the FPV is extremely good... actually almost perfect.... I cant stand almost all these HD cams fpv feed, it's terrible colors amd very muddy/murky looking... I'm definitely going to be using the runcam nano whoop HD cam is future builds that I want HD in... and it's only $55

[@fpvmississippi]

Wow 4k looks great. Better than DJI

[@Tump2010]

I think a lot of people want 4k because they can, and there are those that have to have the latest and greatest next best thing.

[@MonkeeAndMe]

4k is handy for cropping. Can help with post editing stabilization.

[@jacobbelanger7027]

Based on your knowledge, is it possible to modify the camera's parameters without the OSD controller that is technically included with it? Thank you !

[@NickBurnsFPV]

this was so long ago I can't recall if the camera had an alternative control mechanism.

[@ILLBEDRONED]

Great review Nick!!👊😎

[@brianevans4]

I have a theory (not yet tested) that 4k downsampled to 1080p looks better than native 1080p recording, due to compression or something. I will have to conduct a test to see if that is the case, but I have heard something to that effect online

[@remotecontrolaholic]

This is true, and it's due to bit rate. Wouldn't be necessary if cameras would record 1080 at a good bit rate in the first place.

[@curlymaplebandit3107]

Need some micro nd filters. (I don’t know if they’re even available) That’d might help with some of the jitters. Smooth cinematic video = shutter speed twice the frame rate. Nd filters on my phantom change things from jumpy/jittery video to smoooooth.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yep, they do have ND filters for some of the cameras like these.

[@JMFPV]

hello just yesterday I received the camera but I have no command to access the settings, how can I put the recording in 4K and remove the osd?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

take the sd card out and power it on with included cable and control board. Press and hold the button straight down, should bring up the controlls.

[@JMFPV]

@@NickBurnsFPV yeah now works, I love you

[@JMFPV]

@@NickBurnsFPV i have a problem... i only can rec 4 sc... it stop alone.... you know?

[@dimasnugroho565]

@@JMFPV yeah the same as my loris..at first it worked normally but at the end of the time it was only able to record for about 20 seconds

[@daisyduck8593]

2,5 years ago. Is there something better and similar on Market yet ? An analog transmit with 4K recording cam ...

[@NickBurnsFPV]

we haven't seen much since these came out

[@andersmartinson5214]

Good review as usual!

[@Darksagan]

That footage looked real nice though.

[@KelkieFPV]

i like the recording but the fpv side of it is pants. have u tried the firefly 4k that what i use think its great.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I haven't tested the hawkeye firefly. I do hear it has better fpv, but larger overall.

[@KelkieFPV]

@@NickBurnsFPV to true there is a micro one now which i have works great. my lat vid is with it not best flight in the world but when is a wing ever a good flight recording lol

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic flying and review, Nick!!! 😃 I really liked the camera! The 4k recording is great and the FPV feed is not that bad... I've seen much worse! Anyway, I'm thinking about getting one for my rc cars. Even with the FPV feed it would be a huge step up from my cheap Eachine AIO camera. 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@m.s.aviation7065]

If anyone ever read the city of ember, loris is a cool dude

[@falkorfpv570]

Do you know if there's any way to adjust or lock the ISO like on a GoPro?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I think the runcam version does have iso adjustments, but I don't believe this one does.

[@anujchandkapoor]

I completely agree with you, we need a better fpv view.

[@tried2live]

On the Runcam Split 4 I thought the 2.7K looked noticeably better than the 4K, but this one is the opposite. I think the 4K looks a lot better here. But that FPV view is rough.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I have a firmware update for the split 4 I need to try out. Seems runcam has better fpv and caddx better 4k.

[@tried2live]

@@NickBurnsFPV Hopefully the new firmware helps out the Runcam. It'll be hard to overcome the 60fps goodness of the Caddx, but that fpv view does level the playing field a bit.

[@daisyduck8593]

Actually caddx say on their website it is real 3,5K. So maybe the sensor is the bottleneck or the chip power...

[@nathanhunzeker6033]

I enjoy flying freestyle, but am very interested in the ability to record some great cinematic footage. I love the 4K this camera can produce, but think the FPV is lacking enough to make that footage difficult to get in tight spaces....for this reason, it is a bit pricy for me. Improve the FPV view, I'd pay that price or more.

[@andrewfpv4226]

thats a rough looking fpv feed, reminds me of the stock cam on a mobula7

[@dronereviewman9580]

Abother great review from the amazing Nick Burns!!!!! Hope i spelled your name right but im shure i messed it up!!!! Thanks man keep on posting i love this channel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@JuanCintron]

Hmm. It's a shame that fpv footage is so bad. The 4K footage is great! I personally prefer 4K (actually 2k) for post editing. The higher resolution allows for stabilizing the footage with little to no loss of quality when final render is 1080p. Price is reasonable too.

[@alindanawfpv2087]

I guess i'd go for 1080p with better fpv feed over 4K at the expense flight exp too much.

[@fluoxethine]

4K 60fps doesn''t look great maybe due to compression. 30fps looks sharper. Assuming I won't use 4K 60fps too often I wonder if it's better to get Runcam Split 4 instead

[@quadswithmods]

thanks nick

[@airfilm_it]

This camera has the timelapse function too?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

No, I don't think any of these do. We would have to timelapse in video editing.

[@airfilm_it]

@@NickBurnsFPV other cameras has the timelapse feature, with is a real shooting of photos (better than videos)

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@airfilm_it other fpv cameras?

[@slinkyfpv]

Fpv view is definitely more important. You can't do cool stuff and you can't see to do it. Additionally, it would be nice to see the fpv view from a solid voltage source. Perhaps the vintage noise is making the image worse.

[@willsgledhill]

first. love the vids Nick

[@spartan-fpv6936]

Gday Nick, great review, not a bad fpv camera but fpv view isn't that good but this camera i think should be used for cinematic whoop flying, i dont blame you for not wanting to be around people not wearing masks, i find that strange behaviour not wearing a mask inside buildings and offices in these times, keep up the awsome work and stay safe mate.👍🛸

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Our state has a mandate to wear masks and the little I have been out most are now, having an immuno compromised child, I am hyper aware of not only masks but distance. I was at the grocery store a few days ago and asked an older lady to back up while we were standing in the checkout line. She didn't like my request and rebutted with "I have a mask on". I thanked her for that and noted the dots on the floor for six feet distance, which was behind her. She huffed, I explained that we have a immuno compromised child at home. That seemed to hit home as she backed up, she asked me about our child, I explained that she spent a week in the hospital from chicken pox. She backed up further and apologized.

[@spartan-fpv6936]

@@NickBurnsFPV Wow Nick, mate in the southeast in Melbourne they have a second wave after it was all gone and Sydney is also suffering with it spreading again, here in Canberra (that know one knowns that its the actual Capital of Aus !!) they've just discovered 5 new cases but the stupid part is not everyone at the shops, malls trams, buses not many wear masks or stand one and a half meters away from each other go figure they think they are immune especially the younger ones are the worst here, even the elderly mostly dont wear masks, i hope your young one will be ok and you guys all take care mate.

[@dano5739]

4k60 isn't 4k60, but 3,5k60 according to the manual. It could be that 4k30 has better image quality

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I sure would know. Others might.

[@Valera0071]

1080p is better than 4k in same bitrate. I'd want smth in the middle, like 2.7k with decent bitrate.

[@georgeaura]

Is it true that 4k30 is sharper than 4k60?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The image might be sharper, but it likely isn't as smooth.

[@fnkycoldmedina]

the whole thing with 4k over 1080p is when you upload in 4k youtube gives you the better vp09 codec and your videos look better . that was the deciding factor for me to upgrade my action cam to a session 5 .now if you have thousands of subscribers youtube already gives you the better vp09 codec . to check right click on your video and chose stats for nerds and see what codec you have .so there's your answer .

[@NickBurnsFPV]

This is news to me, I need to check that out.

[@fnkycoldmedina]

@@NickBurnsFPV true story ...lol.....no seriously its true . but channels with thousand of subscribers get the better vp09 codec even though they upload in 1080p . us guys without all those subscribers have to upload in at least 1440p to get that codec .the lesser codec is avc1.6 which most who upload in 1080p get .

[@fnkycoldmedina]

@@NickBurnsFPV just youtube vp09 codec vs avc1.6 and you will get all the info

[@M.TTT.]

I feel like with a cam like the insta360go, they should just stop making these or make them dual lens only. If it doesn't have stabilization almost no point in running it unless you and your quad are the most perfect flyers ever.

[@TMacFPV]

Yes! I just purchased (and subsequently ditched) the Caddx Baby Turtle Whoop version (my fist "split-type). I usually fly with the 2-lens Tarsier which is awesome. Just can't fly with the FPV view on the Baby Turtle. Swapped it out with the Baby turtle and will strap on the Insta360 GO.

[@Sully365]

4k manipulation at this level isn't really worth the size and cpu horsepower, especially at 60 fps... i'd be happier with a highbandwidth 1080 or 2.7k like the older gopros.

[@fpvnme4845]

thank you nick> To me no not worth the price .. lovely to look at but the FPV feed is so grainy pal ... what you see is more important but nice to look at after flight ..

[@yen1761]

good quality

[@jdd53]

What a weak FPV view. I'm with you on the Mobula6 HD FPV feed is much better.

[@chewy7192]

That camera is more than a Dji camera. I am just starting fpv and cant understand not having HD. I have flown 2 packs on analog and wouldn't be into if that was as good as it gets. Luckily is not. I don't care about collecting a bunch of flying videos to watch either just like the feeling of flying with the knowing I'm most likely going home alive. Hahahaha

[@NickBurnsFPV]

weight penalty, especially in micros or when high performance is the goal.

[@charleswarwick4849]

Yikes that FPV feed is quite bad. Not sure I'd even bother, I think an aio fpv cam would be a better fpv feed and only adds a marginal amount of weight. Seems like a lot of these have similar HD but hugely different FPV feeds.

[@unnamedchannel1237]

Whoop Whoop 🐷

[@alembicfodera]

Wonder why the fpv feed with these are always so bad?

[@spasmfpv2824]

Beware! I ordered the Caddx Loris from Amazon. It broke right away. They replaced it and it broke as well. Bad quality! Not worth the $90! Luckily I got my refund and I will wait for a better 4k split cam to come out.

[@DanishStallion]

i have a nano split 3, i despise the fpv view, this is just as bad. tbh, i was ready to buy it though, so i am really happy you did this review, thanks Nick! thanks to your reviews i make less mistakes buying crap that is crap! i would be happy with just 2.7@60fps. that fpv feed just has to get to the right lvl of ratel or close etc. i fly freestyle with my TP3. im not very good but i try, but thats really only reason why i want HD, kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2iZk62ClKumgLc

[@ZeroFPV]

Just was about to buy one but then I saw the FPV feed. It's as bad as the Baby Turtle... :-(

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yep, although the fpv feed on most are all pretty poor, the runcam split3 lite has the best HD and fpv. But its not 4k.

[@fuleo]

I'm very certain that 75% of people flying don't really care to upload their videos to KZbin. They'd rather have a better FPV experience while flying rather than later. What they see while flying, the quality of experiencing it visually, is what people want. I'm not sure if anyone wouldn't mind such a degraded view because they want someone else to see them fly, at KZbin in 4k.

[@falkorfpv570]

Dude great review! Thanks for jumping right in and getting to the point!! Subbed! Feel free to throw one my way and check out my channel!😁✌🚀

[@fnkycoldmedina]

fpv view pretty horrible ,would you agree?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yes, none of the single cam duel purpose have a good fpv feed.

[@scootroter4859]

We can "go place where little micro quads can go", if we could actually see those places when flying with the FPV! lol Can't see good with this one. FPV is back to 2017, maybe 2016... in other words, CRAP! This is about as bad as I've seen. I'm not into capturing HD video because I don't post videos, and don't care to have dozens of flying videos sitting on a hard drive that I'll never go back and watch! lol I think that sounds Co0ol to do, mostly because of the established KZbin channels that show us flying videos, but recording HD flights?... until you do it, watch it back once, and then think "OK, now what am I gonna do with it?" Me, I'm into the clearest FPV feed to fly with as possible. I'll not be buying HD cameras like this. Unless you have an established KZbin channel, I don't see the use for it. I'd rather go fly LIVE again, than watch my old video. 🤔👍😁

[@onclefly8450]

45Ms for FPV latency is not good fot FPV 👎👎👎 Nice 4K60s

[@MrBirdshell666]

awful fpv - like the turtle cams