Caedrel Reacts To LEC Viewership Growth, Faker's Old Chat Logs & What Is Bin Doing To On?

[@jaexynn]

Personally I'd never watch the LEC outside of Caedrel's streams. I've watched absolutely zero games that Caedrel hasn't streamed, and almost 100% of the games in 2024 that he has

[@francesctorrent5186]

My guy hasn't seen this year faker die 3 times in a 1v1 cause straight silver misscalculations. But hey platinum players haha😂

[@halbtagsotaku9732]

@@francesctorrent5186 Go back to school dude that is the worst written sentence I have ever read.

[@sleepyheartss]

Overwatch league did this thing where you get skin currency from watching the OWL and are able to purchase team skins for heroes. Idk how League can do this but it’s an idea

[@johnpauljonesisabadass8134]

Make a system where you pick a team in every major league and everytime that team wins, you get a new currency which can be used to buy team skins but here's the plot twist: The more supporters a team has, the fewer the currency is given when they win, this makes supporting dark horse teams worth it.

[@ranolol]

They can't bc it's called Worlds Skins

[@Yobama_Baby]

@@ranolol owl skins were just chromas, valorant does classic reskins, its not that hard to recolor base skins or make one skin and them having different chromas (like championship kha'zix) its doable, but not worth is from a business percpective, maybe for lck or lpl, there it might be worth it

[@felezeros4556]

I mean the Overwatch league failed really hard

[@TrentonRoss-uv3ez]

@@felezeros4556 because of the actual game itself, it was a very promising league and initially had major success, even an ESPN deal. but the game devs killed it. I was playing before OWL up until OW2 release. OWL was great the actual game itself crumbled because the devs couldnt balance for shit, and they didnt update the game enough imo. ppl stopped playing cuz it sucked and subsequently viewership left too.

[@lawrencewargrave9148]

I hope to see some clips on that absolutely disgusting game of LEC i just watched (Mad vs BDS game 3) i have never seen such cinema b4..and No for anyone who has watched that you cant convince me thaalt was not just a platinum lobby of players

[@danranger2821]

they needed to get the entertainment in after sk 2-0 stomp

[@georgescolaks8725]

There were a few missolays which happen otherwise both teams played well? Why be so negative

[@mosi_z]

im getting convinced at this point that lcs teams are just better ....EU is getting stomped by NA teams in internationals too much now

[@_VoPhiAnh]

@@georgescolaks8725 a few missplays? 💀, both teams played well? 💀. If a master player did what Fresskowy and Adam did, he would see the most elaborate death threat that he have ever seen xdd.

[@rockylee943]

@@mosi_z our 2nd seed lost to Na 1st seed and na 2nd seed lost to our 1st seed.

[@keeveli9989]

Personally, Caedrel helped to grow the LEC a lot, his commentaries, insight, and reactions are the best among any streamers, especially during WBG vs G2 (how the betrayal backfired was hilarious 😂), keep up the good work Ratking 🔥💯

[@boblog131]

12:55 i didnt watch the LEC before Caedrel

[@sidacimiz1909]

Also what is missing in LEC are more personalities. I remember watching Xpeke, Moscow 5 and others and you would always get some funny content on every stream.

[@mattgehringer8554]

Not gonna lie I love how bad LEC is. Sometimes LCK and LPL teams play too good. LEC is so chaotic and fun

[@OutshineUwU]

LEC is omega boring rn wtf do u mean?xd The meta and gameplay is boring, stale and uninteresting

[@cenar9660]

its the same in football prime spain 2010 was one of the best football ever but so boring to watch

[@goodmusicinplaylist]

I can bet that you enjoyed bds vs mdk today

[@mattgehringer8554]

@@goodmusicinplaylist absolutely loved it 😂 wish every series was that dumb

[@abouttime2569]

@@goodmusicinplaylist I keep hearing about that match everywhere I go. Guess I gotta check it out.

[@rinripark]

If you only watch costreams, doesnt that mean you're just a casual viewer? Like if Caedrel stopped streaming, those people wouldn't start watching the main LEC stream, imo.

[@DeathTT87]

Yep, those are "fake" viewers, that aren't watching for the game but for the guy commenting. We've seen it with KC a lot, for example they had a trackmania team and were doing great numbers, once they get rid of it, numbers went back to when kc wasn't in the game.

[@epner2649]

@@DeathTT87 I wouldn't call them "fake" viewers, people watch caedrel cus he gives great insight into the game, explains drafts, team fights and stuff, but he also makes it fun to watch with his reactions. It's just more fun to watch a guy that knows alot about the game, but doesn't make it boring.

[@alessandrotote]

yeah, costreamer are a good source for attract more views but you (LEC) need to keep those viewers, otherwise is useless in the long term

[@wednesdeity]

LEC is just low quality and boring

[@GOTHICforLIFE1]

Mwell.. i used to watch regular streams, then went over to highlights when LEC started going downwards in quality mid/post covid, and now i tend to watch caedrel videos for hype good matches, his streams for hype matches and highlights for all other matches. I might watch the main broadcast for g2 v fnc still since it still holds hight entertainment value, but outside that i doubt i will start watching the main broadcast again anytime soon.

[@LegitimateEU]

Bring back Mr. LEC, Quickshot, if they want the official broadcast to stand a chance

[@jolteonthecat]

Not gonna happen, trevor said he will be hosting some tournaments but from a sponsor approach, not casting. Man, i miss him so much, his voice was so iconic

[@IAMMRON]

Feels like winter n spring don't matter for lec only summer

[@GreenT_LoR]

On that 12 hour flight, you always take seat 8. You're free to move whenever you want. The middle seat doesn't even have to ask you to get up. It's the seat with the most freedom. Beats out any window seat

[@AsianHazza09]

this sounds like i'm glazing caedrel but I've been watching league outside of worlds for the first time in years because of caedrel. mostly for gambling channel points but still. I doubt i'm the only one. riot better be paying you alot of money from all the indirect advertising youre doing caedrel 😂

[@Violet.Bora_]

Me too! I know zilch about LoL but was aware of Faker and his story during Worlds last year so decided to watch it, and somehow happened upon Caedrel's streams and ended up watching everything. I thought I'd stop after Worlds but I've enjoyed and keep looking forward to every one of his videos since then. I like the main broadcast too and sometimes go to watch it for support and additional content, but Caedrel's pretty much the only thing keeping me in this space.

[@nightcoredj8138]

I agree with Caedrel on performance of LEC Internationally leading to a decrease in viewership. As well as the point of increased amount of splits. I have 2000 hours of games watched tracked in the lolesports website, and I used to watch the main broadcast every weekend in the years 2017-2022. But the last few years of repeated rivalries, declining game quality, and poor International performance has driven me away from watching LEC in general. It sucks, but it's the truth.

[@skim7968]

Genuinely think caedrel is the reason for at least 1/3 of this growth. That and KC joining, and more regional teams appearing b/d goddamn we know its not cause of the season format

[@WhyWouldYouCareYT]

Yeah...but Caedrel? This SUMMER....was the EUROS!? so obviously...this split is gonna be catastrophical for viewers.

[@dexonxd2011]

ofc gameplay lvl matters, I stopped watching lec and now only watch lck and lpl because I dont like watching noobs and imo it's the biggest problem, then it's format and personally I dont really care about content around it, I just wanna watch games, I even skip winter and spring finals, idk maybe will watch summer

[@yoannme1181]

U do u dude

[@antoinemoulin1206]

I was with you until you talked about lpl, for sure the top teams are some of the best in the worlds but damn do the bottom keep finding new and innovative way to lose in the noobest fashion

[@dexonxd2011]

@@antoinemoulin1206 ofc if you look at the very bottom of the league there are bad teams, simply because there's 17 of them, not 10 or 8 like in other major regions. But also there are many teams which play on pretty good and similar lvl. If you looked at top10 lpl then bottom would be maybe even stronger than lck's bottom, difficult to compare

[@antoinemoulin1206]

@@dexonxd2011 yeah I know that because of the structure you get a bottom that is worse than any where else, it just it degrades the viewing experience, lck I feel I can just sit down and watch every game as they come(of course some are gonna be poorer) but lpl you can’t do that because you’re gonna have to suffer through the worst game ever and watch some int you didn’t know possible

[@vsant2886]

11 or 5 on the seats. Zeus the goat

[@ProTacooRS]

why there are no timestamps in these videos?

[@aminefera5880]

Koi was here last year lol it didn't pump up the viewership that much it more kc that anything else and koi vs kc is super hype

[@WhyWouldYouCareYT]

Summer split is exactly when the European masters are....so this split will obviously be ridiculously impacted.

[@kommyomm]

I'm not saying that LEC content was bad, but investing in 'funny' segments and random caster music would only further detract from the seriousness of the league. (especially with the current level of gameplay) Look at LCK: real format -> good teams -> good performance -> league taken seriously -> viewership is crazy (also for example the LCK Spring Finals intro was insane, T1 and GEN.G were looking like raid bosses, so sad we can't have that in LEC ...)

[@heehee4341]

"on the reddit side.." xdd

[@aR0ttenBANANA]

Yeah I’m sure those stats are legit and not just a way to placate the absolute dookie gameplay level allegations

[@Pastelbluesox]

Bro is kicking the fuck out of his chair

[@sortilien2099]

Gameplay is not good in LEC. Being honest LEC goal is to have chance to win world. IF it used to have chance at Fanatic glory days. Or the year G2 was against funplus Phoenix. No one belives it most of the time. This year everyone is already betting on TES or GenG, maybe T1 for the legacy and the meaning of a 5th world title, but that's it. LEC has no chance to win, unless on an happy accident. If we want LEC to propose something new, teams have to integrate more young/new blood. French Caster at OTP are good.

[@tipilot3791]

LEC just needs more teams cooking for highlights. Meta game is boring af. Put Caps on Yasuo or Irelia. give me content

[@angrymedic25]

I didn't watch LEC or any region teams till I found your broadcasts, and I still don't. Riot just needs to find ways to partner with costreamers, get them to sign TOS that lets them share viewership numbers so that they can get proper numbers on viewership (and still sell add slots).

[@TomkoChannel]

I couldnt disagree more with the sentiment that the lack of LEC caster content is whats driving away viewers. Subjectively it was what drove me away from the LEC last year as half of the overall stream was focussed on the casters. The only reason I watch is for the players and teams. Why does the LCK get such great viewership without all that caster content? Also the average age of league is 23 according to riot, I cant imagine a worse way of introducing my peers of that age to lol esports than a caster rap edit. It sucks, and riot did the right thing cutting any budget that went to that waste of time and money. You say LCS got more love but they made an active effort to cut times between games in half, giving less time to the casters and it turned out great.

[@miamigo4130]

Dont all 4 major region already get the same amount of financial support from Riot? If not, then that is actually messed up and biased af. If so, then making Riot increase the budget of one region is not as simple and easy as it sounds due to the fact that they would also have to include the three other major regions.

[@clusterrockets]

I don’t think LPL and LCK are being ran directly by Riot. At least you can’t convince me so after watching that LCK final opening

[@cottoncandy4896]

I think all the major leagues are paid equally by riot but each league also make their own money ig or something. Because you can't run LCS as same budget as LEC. They also earn more from studio tickets ig.(This is just speculation)

[@miamigo4130]

@@cottoncandy4896 Glad I'm not the only one that thinks that. I think I heard MarkZ say something similar in a podcast somewhere how every major region was paid by Riot equally. However, NA wasn't profitable enough, which led Riot to reformat LCS into the Americas.

[@francesctorrent5186]

90% is cause of rivalries make it so stupid boring best of 1 have some shit on them. Literally stopped watching Lec when they made it to lne game and came back after all twitter drama before this years start

[@GOTHICforLIFE1]

I mean first of all, get rid of the dumb ass triple split - having some breaks in between makes the actual games more hype and teams gets to play with some proper preparations. And i swear a these 'finals' that we are having these splits means jack all. Create proper fucking venues and roadshows for every final and keep it to a double final per year. The old format was miles better, and the only thing i would say is that if you can't have bo3 during regular season before regular bo5 during playoffs - then simply remove shitty teams and make it bo3 for 8 teams and playoffs for 4 teams - with all playoff games being played in venues. That should also increase the ticket revenue per game as you will have less 'barely in it' teams

[@phoenix8632]

LEC did not have any growth lol, it only "grew" because of co-streamers. Once they stop co-streaming it viewer ship will drop like crazy

[@dwp_orange8416]

no matter how you spin it, Bin's actions are immature as fuck lol.

[@ragaw3212]

Get rid of two teams, make it BO3 and give casters more budget.

[@tiredbobf1406]

hot take: caedrel co-stream hype + G2 performing great @ MSI boosts the viewership a lot!

[@ImJustYourAverageAmerican]

Honestly that clip of Bin doesn’t disappoint me or upset me in the slightest. They are PROFESSIONALS this means they NEED to push eachother to the limit and check eachother constantly, if you will notice bin stopped the moment he sat up, bin was certainly posture checking him making sure he isn’t just “casual playing” but actively “playing to learn” there IS a difference.

[@MiMiwiwi10]

he could just tell him? not kick?

[@ImJustYourAverageAmerican]

@@MiMiwiwi10 how do you know he didn’t, I sure as hell saw mouths moving and you have no idea what happened prior the the start of the video, your lacking a lot of context, and compounded with the fact that professionals should hold eachother to a professional degree even if it means being mean or harsh on your teammates, it’s part of being a good teammate, not just a yes man.

[@samuel-nq6he]

I dont think it's that serious lol neither of them seemed upset

[@ImJustYourAverageAmerican]

@@samuel-nq6he truthfully, your right, it was just a teammate correcting a teammates play style. No biggie

[@Pastelbluesox]

I’d probably have to fight the guy after that

[@Layios]

ngl I feel like MAD has a hard time to end a game cleanly, I feel like they lost so much game even though they had a big lead 'cuz they don't know how to end it well without inting/griefing or just underestimating their opponent after having a big lead like game 2 and game 3 BDS vs MAD (to me MAD should've won game 2 even if they didn't cumulate drake yet but they got idk how destroyed by Ice then game 3 they hard griefed again and again smh). MAD is strong but they need to learn how to end a game and how to get objectives if not they'll get reverse sweep like the match against KC and here.

[@TheBigTuna100]

The ingenuity on this kid sometimes is crazy 😅, a riot official says something something and it's facts right away like they never lied before 🤣

[@thecanadiankiwibirb4512]

I just hate how much the teams change rosters. You cant follow a team's growth and story.

[@luckyels3034]

Worst thing is riot will have 3 international chapionships, so the trash LEC format is probably gonna be exported to the entire world instead of getting rid of this shit

[@zeit6614]

EU the new NA

[@leevimasalin2301]

Except NA is dead region atm. Thats why riot is making it a minor region by merging it with Brazil, NA just cant get viewers from anywhere, no one cares about that region, no one cares about the teams, or players. Maybe Brazil will save the region. LEC has never had that problem because people watch it, and actually by the numbers people watch almost 10x more LEC than LCS.

[@rizzario.]

pedro goat

[@tryfergoodra552]

11 min 17 likes bro fell off

[@AcediaRulerOfSloth]

Seems like Bin was bullying ON ngl...

[@abouttime2569]

We don't know their relationship dynamics.

[@laterbober4388]

@@abouttime2569 Surely was no biggie to On who just started queue but insta canceled it and got off stream. Surely

[@abouttime2569]

@@laterbober4388 Because it was already explained that Bin was telling ON to go get a meal together. Don't you think that ON has to end stream to go eat?

[@aR0ttenBANANA]

@@abouttime2569obviously it’s cus these weirdos only eat in front of their pc and alone 😂

[@George-pz8lh]

Seems like you only have friends online

[@prokrastnt_]

idk man gameplay wise LEC is not it anymore man, just adapt to LCS and it would be good to watch.

[@aaabbb-zc7sx]

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