[FFXIV] Five Mistakes Healers Make!

[@WeskAlber]

When it comes to movement, the issue I tend to see with people is them not realizing distance itself is more often than not a PUNISHMENT not a benefit. This applies to healers as well. Besides AoE heals having limited range, enemy AoEs that aren't Boss Centered AoEs all basically encourage you to be no further away than a mid distance. If melees are at Max Melee range, you would want to be no further than max melee range behind those melee. Or you're Black Mage. Then lmao Leylines, have fun using Aetherial Manip

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yes, that is a great one too. I always think "if you can't come up with a good reason to be far away, then come closer!" 😁 Your very particular description of positioning is great as well! 😊👍

[@GamerNym]

Shoutout to P8S Dog 1 where I had to move a quarter into the boss' hitbox or the BLM would miss Panhaima and/or Kerachole and consequently eat shit. But yeah I've felt for a while that playing casters have been at best harder than melee or at worst straight up miserable with these giant hitboxes. And it's not usually a fun type of difficulty either.

[@afrothekobold]

Yup! wile it is save to be a bit back, it's still advantageous to be right up next to the melee DPS (to use a joke from JoCat) inspecting the bosses backside like it's where all the hrothgar hats are hiding. Makes it a little easyer to maneuver around big AOEs and AOE heals are centered on you.

[@HildeTheOkayish]

I recently did a set on un-synced (fortunately) runs in The Seat of Sacrifice as WHM. there at the start is a mechanic that drops everyone down to 1hp and gives you a 10 second( i think?) timespan to get them back to full or they die. so each time i did that nicely only to realise that the red-mage who had a fear of crowds took a bus to the border lands. so there goes my Benediction :c I should really just have said something but things where tense at that point already after a couple of false starts so i let it be

[@Aitherea]

To add to the point about moving -- Chaeji's point here requires you to know the mechanics of a fight. If you are rusty or dont know them, staying close to the boss hitbox is usually a good idea as you'll already be in place to dodge donuts, half-room cleaves, and wide cone attacks by just taking a few steps, which wont interrupt your damage much if at all.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Indeed! Learning where is "usually" safer is a great start, even if you don't know or remember a specific fight! 😄

[@kajex7589]

This was a hard habit to break, that and using holy on the tanks heals in dungeons still feels like a healer death wish, but this game rewards timing and situational awareness.

[@benmorrow1701]

At 8:40 yes! I learned that I cannot build muscle memory on those “special” moves if I never use them. They save mp and make healing more fun when I just go ahead and use them.

[@leonbraun3778]

One other good thing to add is knowing when to use "Sprint"... There are many Tanks out there who just pull a whole room and keep running. If they get out of range and drop, the healer can't gain ground if the Tank is sprinting doing this and the healer doesn't have theirs available. I typically blow my Sprint a few ticks after the tank does to make sure I never lose ground. Also, this is where Tanks need to be aware of a healers tool kit. There are many levels at which (especially a White Mage) has zero OCDs or instants and needs to stop to channel a heal.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Very good advice yes! The point about tanks needing to keep in mind their healer might be lacking options is also great! 😊

[@appliedcetology676]

Yes, I'm a sprout healer playing a white mage, and we wiped twice on a dungeon the other night bc the tank just kept running for a huge pull. The regen I popped earlier wasn't enough and by the time they stopped running, I couldn't heal them fast enough. (I had already blown benediction.) Please remember low level white mages have 2 insta heals, regen and benediction, at best!

[@ZelosDraconis]

I wanna mention raise priority, I see this a lot with less experienced healers but when raising it helps to raise dps that can raise. if you lost a lot of your party. after making sure that after both healers are up as well as a tank, but in an 8 man aim for raising red mages then summoners then the jobs that cant raise. this will mean that those raise jobs can potentially raise someone else so you have less mana committed to raising party members that red mages can get up with multiple dualcast more effectively. not saying that you shouldn't raise on swiftcast but give those dps that can help out a chance to make your job easier in a recovery situation.

[@kyallokytty]

the other day I was doing SoS as rdm and I saw a healer and dps died on the same move so I immediately went "oh I'll dualcast rez this dps rq and the healer gets the other healer. sounds simple enough" I see the healer swiftcast going off as I'm finishing my short cast so I stop worrying about it 10 seconds later I notice the healer is still down and I see no raise buff, the alive healer decided to rez the dps(which I think was a reaper) for some reason? I end up raising both then p11 for the first time, I'm playing with a friend as healer, both me, a bard and the rando healer died, my friend rez the healer, the healer rez the bard and I stay one minute on the floor as RDM(a little less, my friend tried to hardcast rez once they could) like what? Buddy we'd have a raise chain going right there!

[@ZelosDraconis]

@@kyallokytty yeah I think that jobs that can battle raise should be targeted first for sure after the other healer but if you are on one of those jobs you should make sure you are ready to raise others too. I get that people wanna dps and brain off but there’s more dps to be had with all alive too.

[@Splizacular]

Really glad you continue to cover all roles. I think even players that don't intend to play a role themselves always benefit from knowing what the heck the other roles are doing. I've found that playing other roles has given me awareness and creativity to solve problems in my chosen role in ways that i wouldn't have if my perspective were still narrow

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I'm glad to hear that! 😄 Indeed, a greater perspective can help so much in playing around your teams strengths and weaknesses!

[@axestump3590]

About point 2, my usual way to explain to new healer is "Think of GCD as a resource that regenerate every 2.5 second and if you do nothing you wasted it" it's cover a lot of thing like why spaming heal is not a good idea or why using Cure II is better than Cure or why we may choose to apply GCD regen when boss become untargetable.

[@aresbarlow-busch8259]

A great tip I had to learn the hard way is that the best place for a healer to stand is for us to be in the middle of the pack of players, wherever that might be, as often as possible. That way your aoe heals will hit everyone as often as possible (unless you have a ranged DPS who is off at the edge of the platform for some reason)

[@ShinryuMasaki]

It's an unwriten rule that as a White Mage you always save Benediction if paired with a Gunbreaker for when they decide to try and be funny with Superbolide. One mistake I haven't seen in the video is how Freecure (White Mage) and Enhanced Benefic (Astro) are traps, making some healers think they need to use their Cure 1 /Benefic 1 to proc those effects, instead of just casting Cure 2 / Benefic 2.

[@Thecorgiwrites]

Oh goodness yes. I was tanking once in the lvl 37 dungeon for my daily and had to break it to the WHM gently that Cure II is your bff, and to not wait on Freecure.

[@anierikidemona]

Free cures have one place. You've got 2 mana and no cooldowns somehow and the tank has 2 health and isn't a dark in living dead or a gnb under superb. Under this very tiny window I've had it throw me a bone but more often than not it means you've already messed up many times and your looking at a non salvageable situation unless it procs. it's supposed to be the last resort no options left button hiding in the corner of your hotbars mostly forgotten. And you only do this till your next cooldown or till an mp generator is up. I'm soooooooo tired of people consistently free cure fish.

[@Triage_3]

When I first picked up WHM like 6 years ago I had someone YELL at me mid dungeon to stop casting Cure 2 and only use Cure 1 for the freecast of 2. They refused to continue the dungeon until I said I would. I didnt know what I was doing so I apologized and trusted them. I played like that up until just last year...

[@gazel7424]

all the Dark Knights in your footages look so tanky that it felt so unreal

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Quite incredible isn't it?! 😉😂

[@Ymirsabella]

would have been better as a GNB

[@quesopasso]

I only have issues on DRK with certain Doom mechanics or main tanking cause my healers think I'm a Warrior.

[@Hugo-MTX96]

dks can be pretty tanky especially if there's lot of magi DMG, dark mind with other cool downs just laughs at magic tank busters. Or in cases like ultima or cloud of darkness another potent cd to use for the boss autos.

[@crowdemon_archives]

Ask DRK main, I love scaring people by standing really close to proximity AOEs while everyone is way the fuck away from them. "haha TBN + other mitigations goes brrr"

[@ah3611]

The reason I play healer is specifically because it has the highest expected value of damage added to the party if I consistently play well. Bad healers are the only role that ends up with zero dps, or even negative dps if they cant cover the mistakes of their allies. Sure, a good tank can solo a dungeon but itll take 40 minutes. Good dps will consistently top the charts, but still run into slow instances if the healer/tank cant keep it together. A good healer has smooth dungeons every single time.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That is a great way to put it! Sometimes I also say "a great healer can compensate for a terrible tank", but it isn't always the case the reverse is true!

[@lucalopez9604]

I want to know where you get these smooth dungeons because the amount of bad tanks and DPS I have had lately speak otherwise.

[@crowdemon_archives]

​@@CaetsuChaijiCh I'm not a good healer but I once had to babysit the DPS in my party because the tank can't understand what "turn on stance" means. >:C (luckily it's Haukke Manor but still kinda annoyed ngl)

[@BlackKuja]

Laughs in PLD

[@rust454]

Biggest mistake new healers can make especially when they're inexperienced and make mistakes move often, is that you can't heal if you're dead. If it's between you and a dps getting your OGCD to keep one alive because you both got a vuln and a raid wide is coming, you have priority.

[@bluefish239]

When I first got to Soul of the Creator is when I started to need to learn to use lucid dreaming pro-actively. It wasn't that I didn't want to use it, it's just that I didn't usually need to till then so I kind of forgot that it even existed. I am really glad that people still do the low level raids, cause it really helped me figure out what things I need to think about and remember more. Edit to add And I would have had a really rough time in later dungeons if I didn't already have it baked in to use Lucid Dreaming, storm blood stuff feels like a lot more work to heal for than previous stuff) I don't understand the mindset of "Hah I *don't* need to use this tool I have, because it's a crutch!" like...using the tools available isn't cheating, life doesn't have to be all about suffering XD

[@aSinisterKiid]

As a WHM who uses my DoT on everything it's been baffling the past couple months at how many other jobs completely ignore their DoT. I started playing a year ago and I used to see 6 or 10 DoT's/vuln on a boss in an alliance raid consistently. But something seems to have changed lately and it seems like everyone has forgotten they have DoT's. It's odd.

[@fairlyenjoyable]

I've also noticed that, oddly enough. DoTs are so important and easy to upkeep, too!

[@silverhairedelf09]

I was helping people prog P9S with my tank friend who decided on a whim to take H2 as SGE. Around 3 minutes into the fight I notice that he had 1800 mana left and I asked him what he was doing with it. Turns out he was using Eukrasian Prognosis *before and after every mechanic* to help me heal (and to also get Toxicon stacks). I told him to just cast Dosis twice since it's a technical damage loss from Dosis (since you have to GCD shield and then use Toxicon). Didn't really believe me until we wiped and I made him read the Toxicon tooltip haha. Also told him to not overcap on Addersgall stacks because it's part of his mana economy because he keeps thinking he needs to keep them all for a rainy day -- a mistake which was mentioned on this video. Don't let those stacks overcap, y'all! Also, I told him that while it was appreciated that he helped me heal, having no mana when I *really need* his support topping people off was more important than casting GCD heals most of the time. SGE has so much resources to help (Holos, Panhaima, Pneuma, Ixochole, Kerachole, Physis) that sometimes you don't even have to cast GCD shields outside of Zoe E!Prognosis. One other mistake that I'm still working on myself is to sometimes just let people regen HP naturally even without the HoT when I know there's no raidwide after a mechanic. It's not really much of a mistake but it does save at least 1 or 2 GCD heals of time AND I get to keep resources. EDIT: I personally use Lucid when I'm below 9k mana as SGE and SCH, below 8.5k when I'm WHM, and below 7.5k as AST. AST mana economy is busted, it's great.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That's a really funny story! 😂 That mistake you mentioned I can relate to. It sometimes feels like if people are at hp lost, you could put out a hot to help, but everyone has a small (but significant) passive regen at all times just naturally! I can imagine it MIGHT add up!

[@crowdemon_archives]

Lmao when I play SGE in a random P9S prog I have a tendency to top everyone off too even though technically I don't have to. 😅

[@Shizuma]

In the latest tier I'd say healers doing 1/2th the dps damage is at the lower end. At the higher end damage healers can be doing is around 9/13th, very close in (and sometimes beating) tanks.

[@jrtime228]

It's nice to know that I do all the right things on a fairly regular basis (we all have bad days) while having played on instinct and learned from experience. Now I just need to settle on a crossbar set up. The biggest help you can have as a healer is knowing the battle content. Knowing what type of healer you are playing helps too (for example, Whitemage is mostly a reactive healer, or a healer that mostly heals in response to damage. whereas a Sage is a mostly preventative healer due to its shielding abilities and a number of regen/damage reduction effects.) A little something extra, I also "play the edges" of AOEs. Doing that limits how far you have to move to get out of one. Basically, move just outside the aoe instead of trying to put paces between you and that same edge. A good example that this comes in handy is when you have AOEs like the two part aoe in the great gubal librarys dungeon boss fight (where you have an outer circle and inner circle that occur one after the other) playing the edge allows you to clear both aoes in about a second after the orange area marker appears. You can combo that with the timing of slide casting to do a number of different things WHILE the enemy is busy attacking/casting. You will learn through trial and error what works in what situations.

[@Cassapphic]

The most important thing about this game is that healers and tanks are incredibly similar in playstyle, tanks just generally do a better job at getting their intended playstyle across by ONLY having off global cooldowns to do their job, healers having some always available tools because "why wouldn't the healer have a heal button" can easily lead to people making the core mistake that almost all of these are branching from, healing too much. While a tank can overstack mits and run out, its much easier to see that and learn from it than some random curebot white mage terrified that something might go wrong possibly ever, or just, not reading/understanding their buttons. The number of (usually white mages but not always, it is just most commonly this job because its reputation for being simple draws this kind of player) players I see in dungeon packs spam medica 2 or cure 3 or some heal they should never be pressing there especailly not on repeat is way too high because of some baffling msiinterpretation of emchanics, this game really needs better healer tutorials built in.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I very much agree! The big problem is that some of these things are more vague to understand, making it hard to make a tutorial ON! 😅 The healer hall of the novice tutorial actually tells you to attack when there's nothing else to do, but you can beat that specific tutorial without attacking (it takes way longer though). Not to mention it is of course optional 😑

[@Cassapphic]

@@CaetsuChaijiChAfter making my comment I had an idea that the tooltips should be toggleable and the default should gie an explanation of how a skill is meant to be sued similar to command list screens in mdoern fighting games explaining the purpose of each special move.

[@Dw7freak]

As a SCH main, I have a specific oGCD rotation for dungeons pulls. Pull 1: Excogitation (when first mob is grabbed), Sacred Soil (right on tank once everything is picked up), Whispering Dawn, Summon Seraph (and Consolation as needed) Pull 2: Excog, Sacred Soil, Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination, Fey Union, top off the Union gauge with Lustrate, Indomitability, Excog, or Sacred Soil as needed, Fey Blessing once Fey Union wears off As most of SCH's healing comes from Eos and oGCDs tied to her, Dissipation is not useful during mob pulls except for spamming more Lustrates. I also sometimes switch up the order depending on how much Union gauge I have after the boss, as Fey Union on both pulls doesn't hurt. Fey Illumination is a decent magic mit that can help the tank since the second pull before a boss is always more difficult and boosts the potency of Adlo if I need to spam it.

[@gazel7424]

As a SCH, I also have my own rotation for dungeon pulls. Pull 1: before anything happens, Recitation Protraction Swiftcast Adlo Deployment and also Sprint, once the first mob is grabbed, Excogitation while Protraction is still active, Sacred Soil where the tank stops, Whispering Dawn when tank's Adlo breaks, then Fey Blessing when needed. Between Pulls: Expedient! since Sprint usually is still on cooldown after the 1st pull. Pull 2: Excogitation after the first mob is grabbed, Summon Seraph once the tank stops then Consolation whenever the last one breaks, then Whisper Dawn when needed, Fey Union if the pull is still going on. If the tank is doing well, I might skip Sacred Soil to preserve more aetherflows for more Energy Drain, and also use auto attack on the highest remaining HP mob since booksmacks deal relatively good damage.

[@Vavaven]

funny thing about the math at 15:19 : I run a SCH best in slot with minimum piety and max spell speed, and it's one of the rare cases where you are actually needed to use lucid on cooldown. (as the extra gcds the spellspeed allow you to use still cost mp) I think you need about 5 minutes to be out of mp without using lucid/aetherflow

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

If you just spam broil with zero spell speed and piety, it will take less than two minutes to go from full to zero! 😅 But simply adding in aetherflow already helps, lucid dreaming even more so, actually making you regen mp rather than lose it!

[@WikiED]

11:45 what a beautiful display by BLM, collecting all these Vuln stacks. mhmm so good.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

At least I was ready to catch them! 😅😊

[@RockR277]

Listen, I can move or I can throw fireballs. Getting a little greedy askin for both, eh?

[@VioletCatastrophe]

Amusingly, this video actually did a little bit of mistake #1 for dungeons! (In a subtle way) On single target, assuming a tank is 2/3 dps, and healer is 1/2 dps, this is a total of 3.17 dps player's worth of damage, the healer doing 0.5 of this, for the correct 16% listed. But in AoE it is not uncommon to roughly match a DPS in damage, roughly the same for tanks too. A completely even spread in a competent party can have you push upwards of 25% during the packs, and a little over 20% over the entire run (based on the handful of dungeon parses I have lying around.) Additionally, that is at level cap. Below level cap, dps players don't have all their potential damage, but healer AoE is largely static from level 45 onwards, making healer dps even more prominent, and directly comparable to an actual DPS over the entire dungeon. Outside of that extremely minor and almost nitpicky gripe (I'm mostly emphasizing that healer dps is REALLY REALLY REALLY GOOD) I'm pretty sure I've said a lot of this verbatim to newer healers. I know when I first started this would have helped a lot because I did basically every one of these lmao.

[@TheBarkShark]

Maintaining their DOTs is something I see healers needing to do more of. Especially Sage.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That's a good one. I think MOST of the time it is just forgetfulness (that is still a mistake obviously) 😅 I know, because I do it too sometimes! 😅

[@RockR277]

Straight up, I often just forget to re-up them for several seconds. Compared to tanks and dps where they're either on a notable ability, part of an integral job mechanic or are tied directly into the combo, I have a hard time remembering them. They're just kinda....there.

[@crowdemon_archives]

​@@RockR277 lol same (but also same @ Death's Design)

[@RockR277]

@@crowdemon_archives Oddly enough, I've never had that issue with death's design.

[@BlueQmas]

In 3 points this would be the usual healer guide: 1. ABC. Always be casting. If your attack does 1 point of damage and the alternative is doing nothing you better be attacking just in case you hit enrage. (Obviously as healer damage is not 1 point per gcd this is very important) 2. Avoid intentional overhealing. Funny to see sites like xivanalysis that tell you about overhealing when you use all the lilies or assize you have to in a fight. But this can be done by planning your fights (once you know them) first try to cover the heavy hitters with the big ogcds (multihit? Lilybell!) Then work from that. Gcd as the last option. Talk with your cohealer!! 3. Plan your movement. You have to be either W or N for the next mech? Stand (if you can) at NW then slidecast to the correct one. This can be done together with 2 if you plan to move with lilies during a movement-heavy heal check (i used it in act 4 or curtain call in P4S, or purgation in P7S). Great video explaining this in detail! Edit: some spelling mistakes, sorry!

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yep that is a great overview! Thank you so much! 😊

[@BlackMarluxia]

To be fair to xivanalysis, they do have a disclaimer about how gauging healer performance based on numbers alone is very tricky and some tips the analysis lists might not apply. The example you listed would be one such case. Funnily enough, if one doesn't use lillies to not overheal, xivanalysis would then point out how you were capped at 3 lillies often and should keep the timer ticking.

[@crowdemon_archives]

​@@BlackMarluxia if the plan just happen to cause some overhealing but it also comes with DPS gain, I'd say that overhealing is not a big deal lol

[@BlueQmas]

@@BlackMarluxia yes I know but as you said is fun to see that it either tells to not overheal or to use more healing gcd or ogcd. Going from lilies to asylum it tells you to use it basically asap to not miss a use, and that will make you overheal. On P1S my cohealer and I (for fun) went as high as 70-80% overhealing (only ogcd/lilies) in logging parties because the damage profile of the fight was so low.

[@BlueQmas]

@@crowdemon_archives yes I think Marluxia agrees with that. Me too. When I said to "Avoid intentional overhealing" thee key is the intention. Are you using assize/lilies for the dmg/misery? Then the overhealing is not the true intention. Xivanalysis has no way of knowing that.

[@fishbread9208]

"Man I haven't played ffxiv in two months and when I did I was a very competent Scholar, I'm gonna very intently watch a video about simple mistakes that new healers make"

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

The awkward part is that I have met a few less new healers that make these mistakes too! ^^

[@sammicopor]

What I like to do is activate regen, then benediction & then medica II for the full regen effect that will usually only be needed twice per pull, just upkeep on regen & medica II

[@SORROWCODE]

That last one is also a good rule for tanks, knowing when to use their cooldowns and not saving them as panic buttons

[@NastyMick]

"Oh right. I was supposed to be over there." Sounds like a Non-SGE problem. 😎 But seriously, that sort situational awareness is so important for almost every player and a nice example of why playing multiple classes can teach you so much. Trying to maintain uptime on melee DPS taught me everything I ever needed to know about pre-positioning and whole new world of safe spots.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Haha just make sure to save a to toxikon (or icarus!) just in case! 😂 I absolutely agree! Learning all roles really give a lot of perspective!

[@lordarcalinox8582]

Can't tell you how many times I have gotten the raid/trial fucked over after switching to Astro being a long time SGE main, always forget I don't have my jump anymore lol

[@NastyMick]

@@lordarcalinox8582 ABSOLUTELY. I miss it so much.

[@DaikoruArtwin]

As a White Mage main, I found that bosses were often very well designed at making a nice rotation of your Cooldown spells. The more cooldown AoE heals you have, the more often bosses attack the whole party with undodgeable attacks. Heck, right after getting the spell that heals extra for every attack you receive, almost all bosses start getting a multi-stack AoE attack. Square Enix is litterally giving you perfect situations to use every spell. So I feel a very important thing for high level healers is to figure out this spell rotation. I have my own "default" rotations for mass-pulling and party-wide attacks, use certain other spells for specific types of attacks, keep only a couple spells for panic moments, and if there's spells that I end up not using in a specific fight, I try to figure out what might be the optimal place to use it in my next attempts.

[@kierenm4810]

Absolutely love the tip of not sitting on your big cooldowns. Don't save them for a rainy day. They're there to use! I love high level healing specifically because of having all these tools! Spreading abilities around to maintain group health is what keeps healing engaging for me Similarly, since it wasn’t specifically mentioned: you dont always have to save swiftcast for raise. I tend to use swiftcast proactively for movement in raid content and to keep tanks healthy in dungeon content. Dont have lilies and need to heal the tank quick? Better to swiftcast cure 2 and keep them alive than swiftcase raise and pick up the pieces. Swiftcasting a necessary healing spell while moving in raids or after needing an emergency heal is also better than picking someone up after death. I dont use it on cooldown because swiftcst raise may be necessary. But I prefer to use it to prevent a raise from being needed in the first place.

[@YugiMomo]

for conserving CDs it's worth noting that your healing priority flips depending on whether you're in downtime or uptime. During downtime phases of fights, there's no damage opportunity cost to using GCD heals where possible, so if you can tide the party on those you can have more of your oGCDs available for when uptime resumes, which will in turn help keep you from needing GCD heals during uptime. The current unreal has a lot of this where I see SCH spreadlo or seraph the multihit knockback AOE -> big raidwide or I'll see SGEs holos or panhaima, but it's like, I can just med2 or c3 while there's nothing to target and then assize will take care of the rest for free in the reopener lol

[@kajex7589]

Having subbed a little over 4 months ago and WHM as my main I feel very validated. Especially things like preemptive regent and not sitting on Lucid. But I have some things to improve: I don't have to have regen up constantly and at lvl 75 still rely a lot on spells over abilities.

[@elvariand1349]

Also the no lucid dreaming is so weird to me, because if you dont use it you will eventually run out of mp even as like sge or ast

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Indeed! It is quite funny, because the act of saving it can lead you to needing it due to the deaths that might follow too! 😅

[@crowdemon_archives]

Lucid Dreaming is useless if all you do is spam damaging spells and abilities lol But if you start touching the support stuff, suddenly you're out of MP

[@theo5789]

If you use high piety sets or levelling sets that usually have high piety then yeah, but with low piety even just spamming your attacks w/o lucid dream uptime is gonna make you OOM fast(unless you're AST, because AST mana regen is bonkers)

[@asdsad17]

In a dungeon, the most important thing is to keep yourself, the healer, alive and the tank. Unless there's a red mage or summoner around. Forget the dps. In my experience, when you distract yourself looking at the dps, that's when you get ko'd. Content with co healers, hehe. Do whatever you want. In fact this is the best content to practise healing. Alliance, trials, normal raids. If in doubt pop big shields. Overhealing is fine when you're new. Use your abilities first. On a rainy day, that's when you spam casting spells. If you're new at the game I suggest not starting as a healer. You might get bored when you have to dps solo things. I personally, do not use lucid dreaming on cooldown only when I noticed I'm below 5000MP or after a raise. Usually it's not a problem. I do have super ether handy.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Good tips, just make sure you don't let the dps players die! 😅😂

[@strattaravar]

To sort of expand on your points about "saving CDs for just the right time", it massively helped me improve as a healer player to start thinking about them as extra resources to dole out over the course of a dungeon in the same way a DPS player handles their bursts. So as a WHM, I might plan out to drop my Lilly Bell for the big pulls in the dungeon, front load Aquaveil on smaller pulls to help mitigate damage, and save Tetra in case I'm noticing the tank is making bad use of their own mitigation so I'm not stuck trying to GCD heal them from low HP. Edit: Or I guess the better way to put it is that you need to have some sort of plan for when cooldowns are going out, rather than just stockpiling them for a hypothetical use case. If you're holding things in reserve, you need to have a plan for when you would use them to supplement that plan. Also worth noting about healer damage: a dead enemy doesn't do any damage, so helping things die faster reduces the amount of healing you need to do in the long term. This is triply true in dungeon trash where it is very easy as a healer to be doing top DPS in the group just by making the most of your cooldowns, such as a SGE dropping all of their Toxicons on trash and replenishing them during boss fights.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

This is very true! In fact, planning out which pulls you want to use what can also help with this. On the one hand, it can sometimes become excessive, on the other hand, if you know what you need when, you also know what you have in reserve. But yes, in general viewing them as resources to be SPENT and not held onto is a great way to explain it! 😊

[@CeliLarsonient]

I realize I'm a bit late but couldn't find this particular tip after scrolling for a while. If someone's dead, know *when* to raise them. I've seen(and caused) a few too many wipes to the healers trying to rez people instead of healing up for mechanics. One dead dps is better then more dead dps after all. Speaking of, heal someone you just rezzed immediately. I know you shouldn't *need* to in many situations but far too many randos just immediately jump into doing damage again and waste their rez invuln. Said invuln also only lasts so long and I've died more times then I can count to being rezzed, not healed and then slapped in the face by a raidwide. Please just throw them something before they hit the ground again.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Very true. A tip I've given a few times has been "save those that can be saved first, before you start ressing more!" That both means don't ress anyone before the rest of the group is stabilized if possible, and don't ress more before you fixed the first person you ressed! 😁

[@Kpsla]

Most tanks have enough self sustain and sharable healing sources like Aurora and TBN that a party of 3 can clear 90 content without a healer. That does not mean a healer is useless. It means the job of a healer is more nuanced than *just* healing.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That is a great way to put it! 😊👍

[@Scerttle]

During my second attempt at guilded araya, first time as a tank, both the healers went down and there were no casters with raise. I was GNB and the other tank was WAR... the healers went down like 25% into the fight and while I wanted to wipe so they could actually enjoy the fight... no one got close to dying between shake it off and heart of light. The raidwide damage was completely mitigated by just those two cool downs lmao The fight definitely would have gone faster with those healers up and DPSing, but it just goes to show how unnecessary the healer part is when everything is going well.

[@TamaraBloodhoof]

@@Scerttle I think that's basically the thing; if the party knows what they are doing then many times the tanks can make it through themselves, but mistakes and simple raidwides can cause the entire thing to come down. It's also why I think I hear so many raiders complain that healing is so boring while I still have a great time when I keep watching people walk into 3 AoEs and have to get them back up while keeping the damn ninja from dying to greed yet again.

[@WikiED]

I think having a priority plan helps, i tend to not use Benediction simply cuz there are so many other ogcds (+ huge stun duration) that by the time i run out of other ogcds all the pulls are done. Benny often ends up as the panic button for tank forgetting def cds or standing in aoes. Regen is also very weird for WHM since you have this huge stun opener for the pulls that it often ends up not doing much since there is no dmg being done, but once pull gets immune to stuns, regen runs out and you don't want to cast regen over more aoe dmg. I'd love to say Regen(spell) is important but it often is not the case. Aspected Benefic ends up being more useful since Astro does not have the chain stun

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah that makes sense with benediction. For regen, I think the way it tends to help is that it heals off some of the chip damage the tank took while pulling initially. That's still not insanely effective, but it is a bit more than nothing! 😊

[@chelseahutchens6555]

Here I was expecting to be called out lol. Guess I was wrong. I have to strongly agree that healers not using their defensives in pulls is common. Notably not seeing soil/kerachole where that 10% can add up to a significant amount of ehp. But yes, cooldown usage overall is a common issue.

[@SeldimSeen1]

As a ranged dps, I notice that often healers don't anticipate AOE and provide bubbles or barriers for them. Also, I know that in large raids they rarely heal my class. That is fine as I have a self heal and carry potions. My class is always the last to be raised. That's okay too. I just lie there and watch the mechanics. And yes, I understand that it is my job to know the mechs and stay out of them myself.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

This of course doesn't apply to everyone, but a particularly common mistake among ranged dps is to hang out in Narnia, way too far away from the healers. And some healers don't want to follow up a raid wide heal with a single target heal because someone was too far away for no reason. Of course, doesn't apply to all of the cases, but I do know this is a common cause for what appears to be healers letting ranged go down 😅

[@MikuSoda]

Two videos in a week? My guy is doing overtime to water the sprouts 🌱 💦

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I'm glad the videos are appreciated! 😄

[@derandi2324]

one thing for adlo at low ish lvl is you get deployment tactics at 60? meaning if a adlo shield crits you can spread that big shield after. recitation guarantees a crit. and the shield has its own "healing" potency. meaning if a big raid wide is coming use fey ilumination boosts heal protraction boosts target hp and heals if you need to the fairy consuming one (more aethflow and boosts heals) then recitation deployment tactics for a party wide massive shield maybe if youre lucky or said so your rdm n monk have mantra and magic barrier up in time for even more heal boost and dmg resistance

[@SakuraShuuichi]

I think you are missing one of the biggest mistakes that causes a lot of healers to form bad habits like some of the mistakes listed(primarily2, 4, and 5), and that is one healer tries to do all of the healing and does not trust thier cohealer to cover anything. I see it fairly consistently in party finder and even with my static cohealer and i have ended up reworking my entire cooldown usage to account for them more or less trying to cover everything and then having nothing for when they actually needed anything. This type of behaivior at least in my opinon leads to healers that basically only dps and have the other healer cover all of the healing, which is an overall loss of healer dps as one healer only dpsing cannot make up for the other dpsing much less in order to gcd heal to cover, conversely one healer only focusing on healing lowers their dps and the other healer only dpsing can;t make up for thier loss of dps. It is actually somewhat funny when you look at it through the lens of fflogs seeing the astro doing more dps(actual dps as well as rdps) than the sage and barely doing any less healing aswell.

[@crowdemon_archives]

Yea, idk if it's just a case of unfamiliarity, but as I only have SGE for savage raiding (aka "only level 90 healer lmao), when I tested it out in a P9S prog, I noticed I have a tendency to try and top everyone off even though technically I don't have to do so?

[@Scerttle]

I think my tip is to have everything on your hotbar, even skills you don't think you'll need.There have been a bunch of times I've had to alternate spamming physik and adlo with a tank that has poor cooldown use. The rainy day skills IMO are the GCD heals, not the oGCDs.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

I very much agree! If you remove something from your bars, you pretty much remove the possibility you'll ever use them, even in that niche situation you could've used them!

[@crowdemon_archives]

Cure 1 is the worst for WHM I stg lol (useless when you get Cure 2, but if you got thrown into a low level dungeon it's uh... The only heal available)

[@Scerttle]

@@crowdemon_archives Oh yeah, definitely. They should make Cure 1 and Benefic 1 should upgrade via traits instead of being separate skills.

[@dalgona4819]

Having made an alt in another server, I've noticed sprout healers who aren't used to healers doing more attacks in MMO, so I'd encourage them to do so. "Feel free to attack more" or "Use Aero often". I feel like they're worried the party might get mad if they don't heal all the time (to the point that it's overheal) so I try to speak out about it as politely as possible.😅

[@Starlitsoul0359]

A good way to say it is. "The best way to reduce damage taken is by killing the enemy! As long as everyone's alive then you're doing just fine!" Took me awhile as a healer to learn the ropes. But white mage truly is a blessing to play. Like. Medica 2 in itself is just. Absolutely delightful. Thus, if you ever have anyone wanting to get INTO healer role. White mage for sure. I grow flowers and flashbang fools. Tried Sage too but it's a WHOLE different style. Not so much big healing and more micromanaging a lotta different things. Though for solo fate stuff it IS pretty dang spicy.

[@shiro12okami69]

On a personal preference, I would appreciate it a lot, if they could reduce the dmg potential of a support again. Since later phases in ultimates and such become an insane stress,while actually needing to aim for big Dps. For example Tanks are scratching Dancer Dps already. So it’s a necessity for tanks to Dps as hard as possible on Dps checks. Or rather every single class needs to put in the effort. Just that support has to usually manage more than just rotation .( mitigation ,Healing,mapping etc.)

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah it would be nice if healing focused more on healing 😅

[@shiro12okami69]

Yeah, just to give support some personality back, but we need to see how things will turn out for DT expansion x)

[@KanetsidohiKanotoush]

I recently started leveling Scholar because I wanted to have a healer in case of need, he's 60 right now Also recently, in my little server, there are tons, and tons of new players. The experience to say the least, has been chaotic I always read that healers must dps when they have the time but the thing is, if I unlock my grip on the tank, sometimes I don't even have the time to attack, and its HP goes half with one swing of the boss or a pack of mobs It also happens that while fighting a boss, and adds appear, I lead them to the tank, but they didn't pick them, and I die [TLDR] Healing is fun with a good or experienced tank but otherwise it's stressful, it's quite understable why people don't like to do it, I'm questioning it myself

[@HRFleur]

With the lack of complete toolkit, some of the lower leveling dungeons really require knowledge of your job and tank’s skill to balance damage and healing ( lv 65). Lv 90s are a different story. It also depends on which healer you play. I don’t care about tank using mits or not when playing sage, but on ast it can make your experience completely different.

[@KanetsidohiKanotoush]

@@HRFleur Yes, healing in the 50 up is easier, I gave up on WHM, and AST at level 30, they were fun but felt slow to react, and I like SCH shield But, in my opinion, many people is trying jobs without even reading what the skills do so I still see tanks not using their stance unless told, and some don't use it even after telling them. They also don't use AOE skills to pick some adds, and they concentrate on only one, which mean the rest of the group is running around trying to stay alive

[@SantosSilva9901]

THANK YOU for making this vid, i'm gonna have less pocket healers now at least, healing my WAR and mainly AST not attacking at all

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

It would be awesome if this led to better healers! 😁

[@heckinCHONK]

I'm new to mmos so I decided to start with healer naturally lol. Video like this help me learn new tricks that I know will pay of significantly late game thank you!

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Welcome to the genre! I hope you enjoy your journey! 😄

[@yourrage3066]

As a sprout sage main, I've learned the hard way because I got thrown into dawntrail with no basic explanation of the game past ARR content (bought a skip because I knew the lore and didn't have the will to go through all expensions just to see a story I already knew). Had to learn really fast what to do and what not to do. At first I was struggling, spamming heals on my tank because I had no idea I had other options because I wasn't familiar enough with my class and keeping useful spells as emergency buttons whenever their cooldowns was over 60 seconds. This was just one month ago... Now I'm tackling on savage raids with my friends, and here's the massive difference : Sometimes you don't realise you have very powerful tools in your kit. For pulls, don't just spam eukrasian diagnosis on your tank, using haima is completely okay because in 99% of content you're NEVER going to need it on bosses and its values on mob packs is INSANE. You could also just pop a taurochole and whenever needed, press soteria and put krasis on top of your tank, and just KEEP USING DYSKRASIA (and eukrasian dyskrasia, ofc), your kardia & kardion will do the job for you. They're never going to die unless they use 0 cooldowns themselves and you can dps in peace, if your DPSes aren't basically touching themselves while fighting there's no reason for you to need to do more because the pack is going to die before your tank has the time to go below half HP. You can and SHOULD use spells like holos, panhaima and pneuma all the time. Learn the mechanics, if you notice one where you absolutely need those spells keep them for then but don't forget 1:30 minutes goes by really fast. DO NOT SAVE YOUR SPELLS FOR EMERGENCIES, because you can avert those emergencies by using them earlier and having all your ressources available, because while yes shielding your team with eukrasian prognosis will keep them alive, you run the risk to run out of mana stupidly when you could just have pressed holos or kerachole instead. USE. PNEUMA. TO. HEAL. Don't gatekeep it. DPS. ANYTIME YOU DON'T NEED TO HEAL OR SHIELD. Again, it's a matter of learning the mechanics. If you know where and when to be you will be able to DPS a lot more. Don't hesitate to move before the whole party does, you most likely have a stupidly long range so you don't need the boss to be at its future position to be in position yourself. If you know there's a raidwide at the very beginning of a fight don't hesitate to cast eukrasian prognosis 3 seconds before the fight even begins because that means you'll have your gcd available to DPS instead and will just have to press kerachole which casts instantly when the raidwide arrives. Sage is very good at DPSing while moving thanks to toxikon and phlegma so you should not be letting those overcap. It is the little things but at the end of the day it DOES make a difference between getting wiped by an enrage and successfully clearing a boss. Be selfish. If you die the whole party wipes. Keeping yourself alive should be your priority. Don't stay in an AoE because you're busy healing, don't put yourself in danger just to pull someone out of a pattern. Cast self shields or heals if you feel they are needed. Stick to your positions and only when you are fully comfortable with them you can start thinking for others. If someone fucks up their position during a prog it is not your job to get them out, it is theirs to learn and not to do that mistake again. You are NOT a babysitter. You're not the one who needs to ajust if someone walks in random patterns. Sure mistakes happens and sometimes you have to heal someone before a raidwide because they'll die if you don't, but do NOT let those people blame you if you don't have the time to heal them before said attack and they die. It's their fault, not yours. As a shielder your job is to mitigate damage first, you shouldn't be healing the party afterwards too much unless absolutely needed, it is the other healers job. Just pop an ixochole, physis or pneuma and let them do the rest. Your ressources are precious, don't use them over something someone else can do. And vice versa. As a healer don't use mitigations cooldown on small raidwides because most of time the shielder can handle them on their own and you could save it for a stronger attack. And all those informations I've learned by myself, mostly the hard way. I still have the sprout icon and people are scared of me in party finders because of it, though.

[@Makanoyasha]

Pretty sure undervaluing attacks isn't a huge issue. A lot of people put a lot of stress on healer damage, which is strange as hell to me. I am glad you state that it's not a priority but I think what would be better wording is "filling void time with damage" because last 3 days I've been getting healers that only heal AFTER the fight. I'm sitting there, popping holmgang, vengeance, long arm, reprisal, rampart, thrill constantly , forced to only 2 group pulls because healers have this mentality their damage matters. It doesn't. It helps, but in the grand scheme, it doesn't when you're wiping the group because you want to damage. Making the group spend 2 minutes get back to where you were, recovering from a 4 minute fight, wasting 6+ minutes because you wanted to damage over heal. First priority - MAKE SURE PEOPLE DON'T DIE, Second priority - damage support. If people are dying, heal earlier to give yourself better timing for your heals. Tank doesn't care if they sit on 20% hp whole game, but when they die because you want to dps when they are at 20%, it's extremely toxic.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That is true, and that is of course a separate problem when they OVERVALUE their attacks as well 😅

[@Makanoyasha]

​@@CaetsuChaijiCh yeahhh, had 6 runs in a row of that experience, not too fun lol

[@sonicdragon813]

My biggest problem with being a healer is what damaging spells to use. Scholar especially, because I only use Art of War as my main attack as I didn’t know what spell to use.

[@gazel7424]

For Scholar, on single target you use Ruin from Lv1, then Ruin II from Lv38 (remember to use your auto attacks), Art of War from Lv46, finally back to Broil from Lv54 and forward. Since Scholar has a stronger auto attack value among healers, it is recommended to use it when you can

[@connorb7234]

Also, not changing your hud layout. The party list is the most important part of the hud, it should be somewhere you can see it without looking away from the stage and not squirreled away in the top left. I keep mine sized up a couple clicks and off to the right of my character so the health bars are front and center

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

A very good tip indeed! This is also just a good tip in general, since even a dps job might benefit from having the party frames more easy to see!

[@crowdemon_archives]

My HUD got modified so many times just to place the party list next to my hotkeys at the bottom of my screen (can be seen in my clear footage in my channel) just so I can observe the party buffs/debuffs. 😅 I'm blaming this one on Abyssos Savage in general*, and subsequently Anabaseios Savage (it's ridiculous how much I need to stare at my party member just to make sure I know what's going on lol and I'm a tank main... 😅).

[@zemthemaniac]

I heal main but on the rare occasions I'm not healing, I've discovered that Cure 1 is my bane. I have had WHMs in Heavensward content spamming Cure 1 and refusing to change tactics because "it's faster", because apparently they never learned how GCDs work. I have had *mentors* tell me that Freecure fishing is valid as a desperation tactic when you're low on MP and Lucid is on CD. No. If you're under 1k MP while healing needs to be going out and Lucid isn't up, you're bad at MP management and should start carrying Ethers.

[@RockR277]

Sometimes I end up sitting on my CDs cuz the tank is a skilled WAR and literally doesn't me xD. It may also be worth adding that, there's never a reason to put individual regens on every party member. I've seen some WHMs keep regens up indefinitely on every party member in ARR content instead of just waiting for raidwide damage and using medica. Also, spamming heals on full HP targets is pointless. If one absolutely refuses to touch a damage button, then doing nothing at all is better preferable to wasting the mp. I know that's obvious, but it's something I occasionally see. And my last bit: most aoe healing is centered on and emanates from you, meaning you can't be off to the side of the arena and expect to hit everyone with your aoes. The one exception I can think of is Cure III, which is centered on the target.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah it is a bit awkward when your cooldowns just stockpile because the tank clearly doesn't need anything 😂 Very good tips in general yes! And yes I think cure 3 is the one centered on someone else, with the only other exceptions being things like placed domes, which isn't exactly the same anyway! 😊

[@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks]

Keeping a shield on the tank is quite important for sages... Extra DPS and mor mobile DPS. Always necessary probably not... See boss fights lol.

[@driverhd7513]

I see from time to time healers, Who either stick to some abilitiys (like you mentioned) or spam too many at once. My suggestion is to line up heals. After a while you get a feeling on wich combination of heals/shields and hots is enough to keep the run going smoothly

[@StrykerMagnum]

Honestly even as a healer main, when I found out Holy was centered on SELF, not target, I was a bit intimidated, but after the rush of spamming Holy onto mobs in dungeons or adds in boss encounters, the thrill of having some of the most reliable AoE DPS of any class, with a stun for non-boss enemies besides? Lemme tell you, it feels SO GOOD to roll up on fools as WHM.

[@GenXHBGaming]

As a new healer (and also a returning player) I can honestly say that the only time I haven't used lucid dreaming is when I have forgotten to.....the downside to getting old lol

[@apljack]

I clear Savage as a SCH, do a lot of content with it, and I still usually end up sitting on a full gauge for union. In Savage fights, I tend to use it for specific areas of the fight if I end up using it, such as dot based TBs. In dungeons, I generally find excog generally does all I need these days. I pop a soil generally, and then excog while I am spamming AoW. Half the time Excog times out, the other half the time the pull is almost over. Lustrate usually picks up any slack after that. If the tank starts taking more damage, I'll use Whispering Dawn and Fey Union to help out. Typically if I am feeling like I need to cast adlo in combat at all. And a tank had to be REALLY bad/DPS just standing in shit for me to use Seraph on the AOE packs. I like to use Seraph more on boss AOEs as a oGCD pre-shield and then a post AOE heal, same as I would do for some stronger boss AOEs in Savage. Yet, sometimes on anything below EX/Savage, oGCDs get left on the table since they never have any use in a fight due to the limited damage going out. XD Oh and Dissipation can continue to not be on my bar at all. I know it is a dps loss, and I am somewhat ignoring 3 free stacks of aetherflow every so often. I do this with full knowledge it is inefficient and to most people silly, but I do not eat my fairy. >.

[@Ymirsabella]

ahh yes nevma my fav spell 10:43 good video

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Caught between saying it right, or saying it the way people know 🤣

[@afrothekobold]

as someone who's mained WHM since like Heavensward, at this point when I'm playing most dungeons I almost NEVER heal with GCD abilities, I almost always use OGCD, Medica II, and Regen to heal and of cource use the lilies to gather BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD LILLY!

[@Bunstonious]

I think one of the things this game doesn't have is a mode that regularly makes you rethink how you do cooldown usage. I play Mythic+ in WoW and I can say that I regularly cycle my cooldowns purely because it maximises their usefulness (eg. if you hold onto cooldowns excessively, in a timed run you actively made it worse for everyone instead of getting more cooldowns ticking). And if I hear a healer complain about mana while also not using Lucid Dreaming, well, that's on them I think (I use it every pack, or every second pack).

[@Myrtneough]

Doing Savage content has been the biggest help in learning when and when not to use big cooldowns on SGE. That and resource management. Sitting on a full stack for 30 seconds is just a use of mit wasted after all.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yes I could imagine this would be great for learning!

[@iPlayOnSpica]

You forgot one big one: incorrectly prioritizing reviving over literally everything else. I've seen inexperienced healers, while lacking swiftcast for some reason (may have used on a revive earlier), immediately attempt to hardcast revive a dead teammate while everyone alive has low hp, and they'll allow 3+ teammates to die for the price of reviving just 1 teammate. Congratulations, healer, you spent 2400mp and ~4 gcds of no dps or healing for the outcome of losing players. Even better if the healer's own hp is low and they die attempting to hardcast revive a player, so they actually quite literally accomplish NOTHING while, assuming they are later revived, they lose 10+ gcds of actions, their ogcds are sitting unused, they revive with low mp reserves, and their healing and dps efficacy are reduced by 25% (or 50% if from dying twice) for around 90s, and force the party to have spent 2400mp and a gcd to revive them in the first place. Last scenario: if a dead healer gets revived, they immediately attempt to revive a teammate, even though they don't even have 2400mp themselves (exception is a WHM who knows what they're doing and has Thin Air for revives.) They may immediately swiftcast, then find themselves standing there looking lost for a few moments before they realize that they just didn't have the mp. Or, they may barely have 2400mp, then they find themselves with 0mp after reviving a player... then, unable to heal anyone if they forget to ogcd heal, they may allow someone to die or may themselves die again and receive a more punishing 50% weakness if they get revived again.

[@raleo7466]

This may be for newbie content only but: in case everyone starts dying, keep calm, be selfish with your cooldowns. Use big shields or regens on yourself THEN start reviving people, better if you have swiftcast. Stabilize that person, pop lucid dreaming, and keep reviving the party taking care of maxing your HP bar. You can recover from big mistakes doing this

[@anierikidemona]

I still struggle pretty hard with sage and scholar even though they are 90. So I frequently find myself not having the RIGHT abilities for a situation and not necessarily that I don't have abilities. This semi regularly results in me having no options but to spam shields for 10 to 20 seconds while I wait for something actually useful in the situation. It's an absolutely miserable feeling.

[@xYuwui]

I always suggest to a new Healer, to play agressive with dmg spells until 80% of the Tank;s HP or lower like 60% at least and use first OGCDs to heal first to keep there Holy up for Aoe pulls. If they notice they don't do anything else then stand around waiting to cast Cure . Funny thing is most of the People i told this started to be more compftable as a Healer in general and started to look what they can get away with. I had a few days ago a healer that i gave this advice, they did feel more compfy with the Roll itself and with Dungeons because all They did until Endwalker content was waiting quietly to cast a Heal Spell soon as the Tank took dmg.

[@licendia]

I started leveling my conjurer today as a tank main, so I can learn their perspective and so I have something I can level with my friend who is completely new to the game. But I have run into some tanks that sprint away mid pull, or just randomly decide to pull more, which causes them to take a lot of damage at once. At this level, as you mentioned in the video, I have no ogcds so I feel like I have to almost instantly swiftcast a heal once they do stop just to have them not die. Is there something else I could/should be doing?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Hmm as a conjurer the best you can do is try to keep up. Once you get to a slightly higher level, you start to have better options. It does sound like you thought through your options though!

[@licendia]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh I see, thank you.

[@TheKarishi]

I try to use a very similar "rolling" approach to healing as I have to tank defenses, when I don't know what to do. I try to keep about half my kit on cd, as a general preventative OF emergencies, and the other half in reserve FOR emergencies. But that's really only for the first or second run through a dungeon. Once I've gotten used to the mechanics I start to reply directly, using AST's swiss army knife of specific tools.

[@95Jezzica]

Honestly, for any Healer beginner, just remember: Prioritise making sure you (healer), 2nd Healer and the Tank(s) stay alive. Sure, the fight might go slower if the DPS is dead, but as long as you don't wipe you won't have to re-start the dungeon/boss fight. Chip damage is better than no damage, and the finer details will come with experience and having run the dungeon/trials a few times to learn what to expect. Also, summoner/Red Mage... If you notice your healer(s) is struggling, for the love of everything holy, just help them with an extra heal or two. You win no prices by being an asshat pocketing away your healing and reviving "because you're DPS". It's always better to take the 3-5 extra seconds to help them out than having to restart the entire fight.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Very good advice indeed! Make sure to stabilize the group with the parts that are needed to keep going!

[@HRFleur]

Great vid! I think there’s a no.7 - don’t use rescue when absolutely necessary XD. New healers love it, but I can say in 90% of usage situations I encountered, the rescue just worth a single target 0gcd heal at most if better than nothing. Don’t use it on blm especially.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Yeah, often using rescue too late as well, there you just interrupted the player and have nothing to show for it 😅

[@littywitty5867]

Kind of specific to Scholar, but this mental math of Healing vs Damage is amplified for the job due to how Energy Drain works. While using Sacred Soil is technically a damage loss, it’s worth thinking about it in terms of potential future healing spells. Can a SS save you from using a healing spell? If yes, cast it. Also, EAT YOUR FAIRY ON COOLDOWN (unless you have a fight-specific reason not to). Even if you use none of the AF stacks for damage, the gain you get from a “free” Sacred Soil, Indomitability and Excog will outweigh the passive fairy heals if used correctly.

[@iPlayOnSpica]

I almost always prioritize waiting for the next Whispering Dawn (and I assume Seraph and Fey Blessing for shb+) if it's coming back within 15s. I'd let them go out first, then eat my faerie afterwards.

[@JohnDCrafton]

I die a little every time I use a party HoT and my cohealer spams AoE heals until the party is full HP

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That one is awful! It gets even worse if you're sitting there with your cooldowns, and every time you try to do something, the other healer is immediately using spell healing making it pointless! xD

[@minarie2865]

Not really a mistake more of an advice: practice slide casting. When you cast a spell (meaning your attack spell) there is a small window at the end of the cast time where you can move freely without the spell being cancelled. If you learn and practice this kind of movement you can avoid AOE damage zones without losing damage. Crystal Tower is in my opionion really good to practice slide casting: the raids don't have big or complicated mechanics and most of the bosses are just tank and spank so it's really ideal to practice here.

[@Zinkhal1]

1:40 im getting flashbacks again from last year in some endwalker normal raids when a mate was telling me "well gj mate you was 4th in damage here" "wait im a whitemage ..." and yes i was above our reaper for whatever reason ... i dont really care to be honest i mean we did it first try so whatever ... but always when i hear someone talking about "you wont notice the dps of a healer" i have to remember that moment when i was above one of our dps and above both tanks and the other healer ... by quite a lot ... xD 3:15 another funny thing for me ... nearly 2 years ago now when i started playing the game as whitemage i had quite a lot trouble keep it up around lvl 40 and was just thinking about "people talk about attacking ... how should you cant even keep the tank alive with healcasts all the time .." funny enough attacking helped if you are lvl 45 and above the stun is massive for that xD anyway i still hate the time before 50 as whitemage xD 5:46 you can see there the bad timing for using regen for example what you are talking about at 6:20 ... the hp bar of a mob that doesnt got hitted and just aggroed is slightly brighter then mobs that have been hitted ...in dungeons pretty usefull especially as healer for a hot or barrier 9:19 i hate that skill ... not because i dont like it ... just because i nearly never need it ... yeah what a problem i know ... most of the times i use it when i get revived ...as someone who is playing a lot of dungeons primarily it wont happen that often because there are not that many dps that can .. and will .. revive you .. xD for the revive of others i use tetragrammaton and lily always happy about any situation i can use them xD 13:40 and im the mix of that ... letting the tank get dropped low like 20 to 30% to start heal them with other then the regen from the start of the pull ... sorry to all the tanks that ever met me im by far not the nicest healer in that case i know but its safe .. :D 14:53 i prefer to not have to use lucid dreaming .. the reason is simple but more important in trials or raids then in dungeons ... if i die and get revived im there with no lily ... no mana ... and if i used lucid dreaming 10 seconds ago i can nearly just go afk xD its not like i hold anything back to not have to use it .. i just prefer enough piety so my mana will not drop too low even in a fight for 5 minutes ... not the most effective way but im never half afk because im out of mana when i die at the wrong timing most fights arent long enough to get you really out of mana ... atleast for me ... but for the moment dawntrail changed it lost quite a bit piety from 90 to 100 still enough for dungeons in most cases but not for a trial at the moment ... i dont like it ... xD

[@stargodhoshi5695]

so... I do basicly every mistake because I'm a very anxious healer xD I'm sorry Cae QwQ

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Learning your mistakes is the first step to fixing them! Taking some risks and trying to work around these tips might make you surprised at how much better you can become! 😊

[@sentasuS049]

As a Sage main I focus on keeping at least 1 of several barriers on the tank at all times (except on a tank buster, then I drop a Ukrasian Daignosis & a Haima) because that lessens the damage they take which in turn allows my Kardia to keep them at full, My motto as a Sage is "If your hp is consistanly dropping below 80% I'm not playing Sage right", but I do use "most" of my skills, and the less healing me and the other healer has to do the more we can be attacking!

[@Otibow]

I main healers and my issue is, that I almost never heal myself when I mess up or end up low life through raid wides etc. I heal the rest of the group and completely ignore my own HP bar. Most of the time it is fine but I had situations where I died because of that. I don't even know why I do that.

[@Gabbreillenicole]

As someone who has a SO who is a healer main I got my advice from them; however, there was still my own issue of being too scared to use my new spells and what not when I first started healing. I was so scared of it I would end up doing nothing but panic healing as WHM. Then I got into SCH and had an easier time that is until I got above level 50 with it, and though it is now 90 thanks to SMN and it being linked. I can't wrap my head around any spell over its level 50. I've tried and just don't understand them at all. AST is the hardest for me to get into as it is just too much for me to deal with. I do have it to 90 as well but purely for certain glams that just look right for the class. My go to healer and the one I'm best at is SGE, and I argue that it is even easier to use than WHM or in the same boat. I compare the lily gauge to that of the addersting part of the Sage's gauge (here have a shield, make sure it breaks so I can have a bigger slap)

[@Sewyta]

The most common mistake I witness during big group contents is that healers play like they are the only one healer in the raid, applying regens/shields even tho the party already has effects from the other healer that perfectly cover them. Of course, understanding when your healing partner will use their spells is something you can only hardly predict during roullettes, with knowledge of the other class helping a bit. However when you are raiding with a static or maybe a party finder practice group for savage content, and therefore attempt a fight several times with the same healing buddy, it's very benificial to watch and learn when your partner is using their ogcd's. And of course, communication speeds up the progress significantly.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That is a classic as well yes! It is especially silly if you sit there as the other healer just... Kinda sitting on your cooldowns because there's no point when the white mage is doing medica 2 and more once again! 😂

[@DMWScorpian]

As white mage casting holy before the tank is done pulling so you stun the first group before you get to the second group. This is way more annoying with blue mage healers and rams voice. Also in a savage or ultimate planning out healing with your co-healer and being consistent with your healing plan is important.

[@scribbledoll4382]

i just got to heavensward in the msq (i did level white mage to level 90 from playing it a lot and trying to improve XD ), and my dungeons are level 50 and under. in dungeons, i only have benediction and i use it as a panic button when i focused too much on doing damage and -now i messed up and my tank is dying! DX im a really anxious healer and i saw someone once be very angry about healers not doing dps and now i might have anxiously overcorrected and focus more on dps and trying not to get people mad at me. ;~;

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

You can only do so much, some people will get mad regardless if they are in the right or not. I am sure with practice you will get better at finding the right balance! 😊

[@sammicopor]

I have noticed white mage has really good dps for a healer. Also, use regen right when the tank pulls so you will have medica II ready to be used for double regen so you can use cure I

[@lolRNG]

@14:00 That was painful to watch XD. Casually running back to Leylines just in time for it to expire instead of using Between the Lines.

[@AdamKafei]

Rather than benediction at a given HP value, I would suggest (and practice) using it when a tank takes damage at a rate you can't control. I have ended up using benediction at 50% because the tank lost half their HP in under a second, it was a small oppsie on my part but better safe than sorry.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

This is a very important thing to consider when managing hp as a resource. If the tank is actively taking that much damage, then if it continues, then the tank is dead in one second anyway. If the tank is taking 10% of their hp in damage per second, then you still have good time to bene at 30%! (3 seconds to be specific)😊

[@shurhaian]

#4 is my absolute bane. I'm very, very bad about hanging onto cooldowns, and part of my journey through Endwalker (I wasn't as active in Shadowbringers) has been conditioning myself to just go ahead and use the damn things.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

The fact that you are working on it is still a huge deal! 😄

[@kyallokytty]

it's wild to me that a white mage would choose to cure II instead of just doing the golden rule of ABH(always be holying) it's the most satisfying spell to use

[@DonaldTurner]

i mostly tank. mostly seeing healers not heal.. at all lately. I mean, yes, pls dps.. but.. umm.. a little heal here please? annoying! Im mostly self sustainable.. just the same, lack of any healing at all, makes me not queue drk or even gnb, preferring the safety of war or pld.

[@PokechampionJade]

My biggest tip to new healers. Trust in healing over time. I die inside whenever i see a WHM use Medica 2, than just cap the group with 2 raptures anyway. It's okay to let the group stay damaged if a HOT is on the party.

[@michaeleunice4754]

The biggest mistake healers make is playing healer. They aren't necessary any longer. Tanks can provide for both jobs! I jest...Thanks for the video.

[@richardwallis9374]

Damage in dungeons is way higher then people think. When I play sage I can pump more dps then the dps on the mob packs. Especially from level 40 to 70.

[@MajoraZero]

I have conserved Lucid Dreaming because I was expected to die. Well, planning really. Fancy undersized group strats for E4S and SoS Ex :P

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That is of course a different story when you KNOW you will die! 😂

[@BimdoeDoll]

tbh my placement in fights is sorta bad, gonna make a effort to do a better job with it!

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That's what really matters here! Trying to improve! 😄

[@Gloomdrake]

The one cooldown I struggle with is whether or not to use Chain Strategem on trash pulls in dungeons

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

In your average group, if you use Chain Stratagem on a mob in the first big AoE pull, it will be available again for the boss in time. Simply identify the tankiest mob in the pack, and put it on that one! ^^

[@panda6907]

Freecure fishing. The first sin as WHM I ever did was try and get those sweet, sweet procs

[@callmegoats]

Sooo a question. SCH, shortly before a boss and I just used Aetherflow or Dissipation the other ones on CD for a bit longer and a boss is coming up. Especially when it is Dissipation I sometimes resort to doing one Adlo on the tank because I inted to just pump all into Chain Strat + ED. Is that "optimal"?

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

That sounds reasonable! I recommend making sure the adlo is cast on the tank before you could be casting broil (so before the fight starts!) If that is tough because of movement, consider swiftcasting it!

[@callmegoats]

@@CaetsuChaijiCh I meant more as in during the last pull before the boss when I dont have stuff like the fairy heals and regen up but feel like I should save Aetherflow for the burst.

[@JelisW]

re: people thinking healer damage is negligible, yeah no, I still remember the time a _reclear_ party wiped TWICE to enrage on P8Sp2 with 0-1 deaths. Glanced over at the illegal magic abacus and found the WHM averaging 2.7k damage (for context, even a low grey parse healer averaged 4.8-5k DPS at the time). Went "ah" and just left.

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

A really good lesson in "every single point of damage COULD matter"! 😅 That's a rough run!

[@Zeik188]

I’m a long time white mage and I’m pretty confident. I use all my abilities and cooldowns when needed with one exception which is plenary indulgence. With all my other abilities, spells, and cooldowns I never feel like I need this spell. I’m genuinely not sure when I should be using it as I feel like the rest of the whm kit is already so strong. I’m already already barely needing to actually cast a spell. For reference, I don’t do high end raiding (due not being able to find a consistent set of 8 friends) so maybe this is why. Any tips?

[@bladeninja7495]

First 30 seconds of video, glare mage confirmed best way to play healer

[@CaetsuChaijiCh]

Just make sure you also heal a bit!

[@ReikoFrostwolf]

Super Ethers are underrated and underused.