Cake Electric VS Moab. The Kalk electric dirt bike takes on Slickrock.

It's the Cake Kalk Electric VS Moab. The middleweight electric dirt bike takes on Moab Utah's Slickrock. Electric dirt bikes are made for Moab and Slickrock trail. Instantly transforming the rolling stone into the world's biggest skatepark. Can the Cake Kalk hang with a KTM? How much power does it have? What's the range?
How many gears does it have? Can it climb the steeps of Moab? We answer as many questions as we can and review the ride for both the mountain biker and the vet moto rider along with what to expect from an electric dirt bike. Compared to a KTM the Cake is not apples to apples. It's not even apples to oranges. It's more like apples to a Twinkie. It's a small light package of super sweet adrenaline that might not be good for you.
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0:00 INTRO
1:15 THE FACTS
2:42 THE CONTROLS
5:13 THE MODS
7:12 THE RIDE

[@mauritzploeg1087]

Hi Alex, first of all love the video and all mod’s done to the Cake. Would it be possible to make a comparative video between the Cake and your Sur ron..? I understand that they are two different bikes but will be nice to know your take on the two..? Thanks bud!!!

[@JoyOfBike]

You're right. They are so different and I struggle to compare them. The Surron are really fun and affordable. They makes about 6.8 HP stock vs the 20HP and 30+ foot pounds of torque of the Cake. My analogy would be that the Surron is like a delicious appetizer and the Cake is like a meal. Your question is actually helping me think of ways to talk about the differences. I'll try to shoot something before the snow sets in here.

[@mauritzploeg1087]

@@JoyOfBike Thanks for your reply. The style of the video’s make me feel like I’m watching a Quentin Tarantino film...😂😂🤙🏻

[@odedmazor2657]

One of the best Cake's videos I've seen. Thanks

[@andrewbisbee9251]

i have a dual sport a klx 300.....but that handlebar setup is beautiful gorgeous reminds me of my GT bmx back in the day.....moab and slick rock is the best 2 wheel riding in the entire world would love to take the cake there

[@mixflip]

I like it. I cant wait to test ride one.

[@JasonFoxLCB]

Great video, Alex. Looks like a ton of fun.

[@JoyOfBike]

Thanks. I brought mountain bikes too but got obsessed with the electrics and didn't even pedal once. Pathetic.

[@JasonFoxLCB]

@@JoyOfBike So much gear, so little time.

[@chriswood9693]

I am a mountain biker that would never consider a motocross motorcycle due to the mechanic work required. This looks like all of the fun of moto with none of the hassles. I like that you are showing this in terms of how a mountain biker would see it. Interesting...

[@JoyOfBike]

It’s true. Much less hassle.

[@zauwee]

Thanks for the demo and all the info, Alex. Good work.

[@JoyOfBike]

It was fun to do. Glad it was helpful.

[@gareth5000]

Great video! My Sur Ron arrives this week but I already want one of them:) (and a Cybertruck to charge them) You rode with Bob Hannah! Wow, I used to read Dirt Bike when I was a kid in Wales (I'm two years older than you). They called him the man with the reversible name... I remember when the Red Rocket first came out and how weird it looked compared to the bikes we rode. Unfeasibly long suspension, funny looking seat. Things haven't changed much since then, until now when Lithium Ion batteries came to make bikes look weird again.

[@JoyOfBike]

You will get a huge kick out of the Sur Ron!!. Love the cybertruck idea too. I didn't know Hannah. I was in Florida and he was in California so I occasionally got to race him. I was on a 250 Husky with a metal gas tank when he lapped me. It was a pig. In around 1976 the MX sanctioning body in Europe made a minimum weight rule because Suzuki was killing everybody with a 176lbs 125. The rule states at 125 has to be at least 198 and a bigger bikes at least 200. I think that rule destroyed the natural progression to lighter weight bikes and the electrics have a chance to reinvent what a dirt bike can be.

[@jimji2774]

NIce video. As others have said lets see it do something hard along with some other bikes for comparison. This thing looks awfully tame compared to an enduro bike. Surron has the Ulta Bee now and KTM the Freeride-e. We need that comparison video lol.

[@antssta]

Being from Australia the brake set up is perfect 🙌 so jealous

[@stumpjumper1dc]

Nice bike Alex. Cool vid. Maybe someday. The pluses are undeniable.

[@JoyOfBike]

Thanks. I dig that Capra.

[@jdubmash]

Alex, great to watch your channel grow... seen it double in practically a month!! Congrats man! Great info, well explained, well filmed, never got bored, now I got to get a cake bike too! I don't know what it is but we meaning all of us riders, MTB, DJ, BMX, Seem to be having all the same interests at the same time!! Crazy.. Hmmm what are we taking out to ride today:) man when you come out to Bentonville this year, you got to bring all your fun stuff!!lol

[@JoyOfBike]

Thanks buddy. I’ll bring as many toys as possible!!

[@martorocks8089]

Super intrigued by the translation between this and moto, and this and MTB. Coming from mtb myself, this is where I'd want to be as opposed to diving into full moto. Sounds like very low maintenance - would love to hear more about suspension componentry and service intervals, and more about suspension/kinematic performance compared to mtb. Obviously not going to be as concerned with metrics like anti squat, but anti rise and ramp up kinematics would be dope to hear more about... Thanks for the great content! Keep it up.

[@JoyOfBike]

Anti-Squat and anti-rise are more bike terms than moto and I'm not well versed enough to try to make a translation. I think Dave Weagle has a Cake. And he might have a channel. He'd be the guy to ask for sure. Love that guy and was so bummed to see Trust go under. The front fork is not an MTB fork and not a moto fork. It's in between. Same with the rear shock. But I think they lean toward bike to keep the package light. The front has felt harsh to me and I've backed the high and low speed compression damping way down. The rebound is a bit fast but I haven't messed with it. My local bike tuner called Dirt Labs is going to do a re valve for me soon. The rear end has a linkage and feels really progressive but maybe undersprung a tad. No plans to mess with it other than maybe add some rebound damping. In moto you can add power to stiffen the back end. So if you were gonna land flat off a big jump you twist the throttle wide open and that stiffens the back end as you land. This bike has the swingarm and drive sprocket pivoting on the same link. I've heard that lessens the ability to use throttle to stiffen the rear suspension. Can't say I've noticed one way or the other but it probably makes it ride a bit more like a bike when the throttle has less impact on the suspension.

[@martorocks8089]

@@JoyOfBike great info!!! Thanks for the reply. We should rally DW to redo the Shout for Cake upgrade!

[@JoyOfBike]

@@martorocks8089 Hahahaha. If I know him he might do it. In the late 70s Roger DeCoster rode a linkage fork and crushed everybody.

[@embeaston]

Great job on the vid boi

[@joepeeer4830]

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[@justchillin8418]

This video is awesome

[@trexn8]

Very cool video! I was thinking of coming out to Moab soon to hit some trails.

[@JoyOfBike]

You should!

[@lee_likes_bikes]

Really nice, Alex.

[@BaronBoar]

The site says 280 Nm to the rear wheel, must be a typo, because that is over 200 foot pounds of torque.

[@jasonmateus924]

I so wanna try this!!

[@JoyOfBike]

They were doing a lot of test ride events. Then Covid. : (

[@jasonmateus924]

@@JoyOfBike I know it sucks! Up here in Québec and Canada we would love to see these around! Let me know if you have a distributor!

[@AMOSTUNT]

Good one! Interesting mods. Keep it up Alex! :)

[@JoyOfBike]

Ha. No backflips but we had fun. Loved the vid in the skatepark you made!

[@AMOSTUNT]

@@JoyOfBike To have fun is the most important, and if you ask me it’s hard to fail on that with the kalk haha :) Thank you, looking forward to meet you and ride with you someday:)

[@JoyOfBike]

@@AMOSTUNT Hell yeah. Teach me to flip a bike!

[@dicktomasko1553]

Very nice. Interesting terrain. Bike looks a little clunky but looks like I'd like to try it.

[@justchillin8418]

Ttttttgt

[@seandrolet4559]

Good stuff man!

[@Master-Blaster-4x4]

can someone tell me plz what trail in moab is he on? slickrock?

[@hallingkraft]

Hi, the bike looks so fun! Do you have some more info about the custom wheels? What rims and spokes? Thanks!

[@krisvangent5056]

Curious about this as well. Now have a Cake Kalk and want to switch to larger front wheel!

[@JoyOfBike]

I put a link to Woodys Wheel Works in the description and they will get you set up. I’m running Excel rims laced to the stock hubs which have to be drilled out for the larger spokes. 21 front 18 rear.

[@mannyvidal4917]

Dude, more toys ??? Looks amazing, maybe you will bring it to Sedona next year.

[@JoyOfBike]

Can’t be a fun hog without the toys. Sedona marked the beginning of the pandemic for us. Hope it marks the end too!

[@agoogleuser7784]

I want to know why none of the electric moto manufacturers hav made an “artificial clutch”. Leave the clutch lever there but just monitor it electronically, and instead of actuating a clutch have it change the torque curve of the motor controller. That way when someone wanted to loft the front tire they could drop the clutch and the controller would know you want full torque immediately to lift the front end. Whereas normally the controller wants to give you a smooth curve to keep the torque manageable. I think you could honestly simulate a clutch electronically and gain a ton of traction in the moto community.

[@JoyOfBike]

Cool idea. Maybe even a log button. hit it and it changes the power curve for 10 seconds or something. I know some of the electric trials bike do come with clutches but I think they're mechanical. Would be a rad mod too.

[@zauwee]

It would be great. But I assume that would probably increase the price significantly enough to be a deal breaker for some. The bike is already outta reach for most of the folks out there. But I think that’ll come with time. As Alex properly put it, parking lots at trail heads will look quite different in 3 years.

[@erod781]

electric motion has this on their bikes. They are out of france but have a dealer network in the US. What the electric motion bikes do not have though is engine braking which Cakes do have (2 stroke, 4 stroke or even free wheel). Really cool bikes but personally I'd rather have the engine braking, when I test rode a cake I was really impressed with that feature. Sure would be nice to have both though :)

[@BWT599]

@@erod781 regen for the win! Thanks for explaining the engine braking. Now I can explain it to all the gas Dads at my kid's mx track.

[@Yoda-em5mt]

Hey Alex really good info described really well i like you have raced moto and mtb for eva and rode trials on both have a mate down here in aus thats a moto rider come ebiker and your bike looks pretty cool whats the go to get one in austalia . ?

[@stevensmith4004]

How does it do on the long steep climbs that Moab is famous for such as Hell's gate, etc.? Showing it tackle something like Pritchett canyon or 5 miles of hell would be very significant at convincing people of the bike's capabilities.

[@JoyOfBike]

I haven’t done Prichett in a long time. That’s a good one.

[@Trailfloater]

I love my electric enduro bike best thing I ever bought ! If u wanna bring out the inner kid I’d suggest these

[@pnblondon1087]

Great video Alex, and very interesting mods. You forgot to tell us what the standard wheelsizes are! (19-19?). My only real complaint, both about your video and the bike itself, is this '3 hours/50 miles' range claim. I simply cannot believe that you could run for 3 hours - at anything much more than bicycle pace - with a 2.6kwhr battery. In my experience, of both Cakes and many other electric motorcycles, I'd expect about half that claimed range. Oh yeah, and one other thing. You forgot to mention that it helps to have legs like a giraffe to get on it...

[@bigred6220]

What’s the cost of one of those?

[@the7thofengland135]

I’d like to see a vid of the cake vs the b52 comparison I’m torn between which one to get 🤔

[@JoyOfBike]

Check out electriccylerider's channel. He might have reviewed both.

[@briandhoward6137]

How was the range compared to the surrons range. Great break down of the cake

[@JoyOfBike]

Quite a bit more range but I haven't ever done a side by side. On track days the Surrons are run dry long before the Cake. But I'm too tired to keep riding. : )

[@vangeliskarachalios]

What size tires did you put on ?

[@singhsingh99]

Have you noticed any impact on battery life with the 18/21 wheel set-up?

[@JoyOfBike]

Good question. The wheels aren’t a lot heavier but the bigger rubber is a bit heavier so it must have a negative impact but not so much that I’ve noticed.

[@brucecampbellforpresident1393]

I thought back in the day I said self , one day electric bikes will replace my combustion engine bike , and the price of my gaser cut in half buy the electric bike, When will one day come? If I’m not wrong 10500 $ That ain’t half that’s double a gas .

[@viciousviolet3783]

To buy this in Australia it costs $24 000 😮

[@Iamgavrilo]

Wow

[@carlosbarragan6729]

cant wait to not ever stall again

[@MAGICENLIGHTEN]

Way way way to expensive !!! If I could buy one at three thousand US dollars I would

[@MatteoTortello_com]

♻️🔋👏💪🔝❤️

[@christopherogley1714]

Currently in Europe also last year 2 in every 3 MTBs were Emtbs..,that suggests to me a large demographic of older .more experienced riders that are finding Thier ART beset with barriers that have insinuated themselves into the arena of middle aged mtb....I'm all in with this mindset. ..hey if it feels so right how can it be wrong, right ....what's interesting to me is this corelation between trail trauma and it's direct link to performance....I swear I didn't realize that this had happened to me.....but the more I think about it ..I absolutely would say do not let this be a self fullfilling prophecy....do not GIVE yourself trail trauma..it can happen.....just as easily as the real deal.. but I've said it before and I'll say it again....EMTBs are a fantastic tool. Getting lighter more relevant to a real cycling experience....I live and love my haibike...bless those German E god's bikes....on behalf of my knees n creaks... thankyou haibike ...you kind of saved me a harder time in rehabilitation.....bless you too guys...long live the art of mtb..long live the joy of the bike.... ultimate prole freedom........ considering the Chinese and not Germany that realy made the first E machines that's quite apt...the ultimate prole freedom...yeah I like the idea...oh yeah thank you Cali fornia n Colorado too...words cannot express the gratitude for your inputs from the BMX to mtb...big hand for the originators ....you freed our minds and our asses n hips followed....have I just applied a Freudian concept to mtb...I think I may have done......

[@JoyOfBike]

The ebikes and electric moto is growing like mad. I'd like to do more with both next year.

[@christopherogley1714]

@@JoyOfBike it's a tsunami....wait till the wave hits the seaboards...I love emtb...im a pedal assist guy..and they saved my life.. without a shadow of a doubt....I know it's a bit dramatic to equate your riding with your life but with some people it does run that deep......I was stage 4 blood cncr. 4 rounds of chemo n build the immune system back ..It was at the point of riding my real bike again properly when my knees given out ...whaaaaat....it will be the Emtb that gets me rehabilitated again. .good tools...I can't get my pedal strike over from 10 to to 10 past ...it's so painful going over the top of the pedal stroke I've gone back to ice again...all hospitals are at standstill with covid...aaaah...

[@christopherogley1714]

But I'd also say that the weight of these bikes at the minute. Tequnique is more important due to the heft of the bike moves.than a lighter bike... tequnique is king with ebikes

[@JoyOfBike]

@@christopherogley1714 Not overdramatic at all. The bike has saved me several times. It's a miracle machine!! Keep peddling!

[@christopherogley1714]

I've taken the chain off and am spinning in small concentration circles ..short sessions....I'm not a medical guy and we rely on social medicine...I know you guys have heard of it but you don't believe it exists because you haven't seen the beast....it's good..but nowhere as good as insurance medicine .USA style......I'm waiting for my second jab before I go to an NHS hospital....or would you risk it and go for the MRI?

[@Summitspeedfly]

Wow, did Elon Musk design that thing. It sure is fugly.

[@andrewsoldan6050]

sound it makes is horrible and no clutch no deal. Clutch is just your modulation and safety switch. Yamaha use to make electric dirt bikes with clutch.