California colleges grapple with drop in enrollment

[@leeb.7188]

It’s not a crisis. It’s common sense. The degrees aren’t worth the cost. The only people for whom this is a “crisis” are the administrators and faculty who live off the students’ tuition.

[@angelasoWA]

It is if you study a field that can give you a strong base salary.

[@barryfleming8488]

Cut the administrative fat.

[@Mitzi73]

Amen!

[@justSTUMBLEDupon]

Exactly.

[@EnnVee959]

Yes! Huge yes!

[@parrotcracker6629]

Here's an idea. Make college affordable so that students don't have to take out loans.

[@lHurtYourFeeIings]

No.

[@BootyWarrior80892]

@@lHurtYourFeeIings😂

[@rivertonhigh-v4t]

That's a silly idea. Here's a better one: All that US colleges need to do is refocus their marketing campaign from domestic youths to those in China and India, like Australia and Canada do (of course, this will entail collateral damage in the form of homeless locals, but business is business).

[@AGuyJustDriving]

College Education is affordable. CSU is an absolute bargain compared to UC. The problem is living expenses.

[@leechjim8023]

​@@rivertonhigh-v4tYour idea plain sucks!!!👎👎👎

[@tylertime3624]

Most college majors don’t prepare you for the job market, yet keep charging crazy amounts for tuition.

[@Will_Moffett]

Colleges were not intended to prepare people for the job market. If that's what you want go to trade school. I mean, were you conned by some hustler into thinking a major French existentialism was going to get you into Google? Let me tell you something about you. You, at this point in your life, don't need an education. You aren't capable of receiving it. You want to make money, so pick a career and embark on a course of training. Why do you stand around complaining about colleges because they aren't doing something they were never designed to do? There are places that train you for a job. If you lack the facilities to find them maybe you should apply for social security disability.

[@bebdaumon3948]

I think the market is too competitive and the colleges in the U.S.A cannot compete with colleges in asian countries. Too much influx of Asian and Indians coming here for work with a better education and are better qualified. In the U.S.A we focus more on grades and status rather than actually learning he material.

[@foodbeforepills8749]

However, they do a great job of indoctrinating the kids and put them 200k in debt.

[@romaniangod5649]

@@bebdaumon3948 amen! Grades don't need shit.

[@bebdaumon3948]

@@romaniangod5649 This is true. I highly doubt a person with a GPA of 5.0 will do a better job than a person that has a 2.5 and that's because the U.S education system has people to focus more on scores and grades instead of actually learning the principals at hand. What is more important grades and scores and ratings or being able to understand the material and on why we use certain math to solve problems.

[@jewelscastle]

Didn’t you guys increase tuition by 6%? It’s only fair to loose 6% of your students.

[@davinxi5926]

Paying administrative and staff fees and union are calling for more pay

[@AGuyJustDriving]

Lose**

[@caspiana3623]

@@AGuyJustDriving Both are correct here. Think about it.

[@AGuyJustDriving]

@caspiana3623 No, it's not. I'd say think about it, but you need remedial English.

[@caspiana3623]

@@AGuyJustDriving You could use a remedial modesty class, Grammarly. See what I did here 🤪?

[@ChrisLessard-q4r]

No crisis. People got tired of buying garbage degrees and being piled in debt. Its a horrible business model that finally came full circle.

[@newsesofworlds543]

The problem is that it’s not supposed to be a “business model” at all, but a public good. The fact that they’re running it like a business is at the root of the issue.

[@michaelrogers9720]

Too many woke students Drive all the other ones away And people can see for most good jobs You don’t need a degree

[@qatarworldcupwinnermessi]

​​@@michaelrogers9720Most employers and recruiters will favor a degree over not having one. It makes their decision easier. See them as groupies. If you are competing against someone with a degree for the same job, you have to work harder in the interview to convince them.

[@whatsgoingon07]

This segment says NOTHING about why the cost is so damn high

[@cydzview]

because too many useful idiots keep paying

[@rivertonhigh-v4t]

Econ 101: Demand and Supply.

[@mcCorn6478]

Greed, that's why

[@Sarcasmarkus]

​@@rivertonhigh-v4tno greed

[@Will_Moffett]

Why the cost is so high is now a politicized question about which there is endless debate, but the answer given by those researchers who I judge to have the most integrity is that it is mostly a function of bloated administration and their bloated salaries. A lot of salaries at public institutions are public information you can look up. These people make a lot of money and they can aggrandize themselves and make even more money by creating departments and hiring people under them. Maybe they do good work. I don't know. I 've never seen an analysis of the contributions of deans and student advisors and all other types of college administrators etc. Then you have private/government partnerships in which corporations are raping us blind, getting the public to fund research which serves their commercial interests. And that's one reason this won't stop is because it's an avenue by which corporations reach into our pockets and like hardly anyone knows about it. So that is where the money is going. How is it getting in? A lot of has to do with the accreditation system. You can't just build a school to meet increased demand, the normal market driven mechanism which is supposed to keep prices reasonable. You have to go through an impossible process. So the number of schools remains limited while the number of students wanting to attend goes up. Basic supply and demand says the price can then go up. So we might be able to solve the problem by creating more schools, especially since we have all these grad students wanting to be profs but can't get one of the few precious spots. But, obviously, we have some parties who are interesting in maintaining the artificial choke points which raise prices and funnel loan money into bureaucrats and corporate R and D.

[@anthonyee890]

College is unaffordable and college degrees are useless now

[@joeblow1688]

50% True. Unaffordable, yes. Many college degrees are useless , yet still retain the Faculty and the Programs. Just crazy.

[@miguelgarcia6493]

I'll say most of degrees are useless because colleges created degree programs to try to get state funds, grants, and raise tuition. Some very specific degrees such as (insert name of ethnicity) studies are so specific and actually hurt graduates because of it. At that point, should offer a typical history degree that can be a lot more flexible and gives you the tools and expertise for a variety of fields. A specific study would be more appropriate at the graduate level. Although some fields such as STEM are much more justified in having many specific programs than the social sciences and humanities.

[@IceLynne]

most.

[@IceLynne]

@@joeblow1688 it is crazy!

[@Mrbfgray]

Apparent reason Bay Area colleges hit the hardest is due to extreme Leftists created shithole cities.

[@Enchanteralle]

College and grad school tuition continues to go up while people continues to be laid off or struggle to keep up with inflation. How are students supposed to enroll and afford the ever increasing tuition costs?

[@secretbunnyninja]

These companies are so shocked that their plan to enslave workers with debt, only to be greeted with a layoff every few years isn't a viable long term plan for most normal people who just want to own a modest home in a safe area. I have been on job boards for the last year, and the quality of the positions and wages are on the decline, while the amount of skills they want is on the rise. Welcome to the new age of the US Reality TV Nightmare: Slave or Starve.

[@randyb620]

He said it was a “robust economy “… ok.

[@ericl2152]

Stating that people with a college degree will make more money in the future is intentionally deceptive.

[@GoldiLoxxxxx]

Nope. Just facts.

[@ericl2152]

Those facts are based on past performance not future projections. Future projections based on current income trends speak the opposite.@@GoldiLoxxxxx

[@safeandeffectivelol]

@@GoldiLoxxxxx Only half the degrees are worth something. Most students end up paying off student loans for 20 years. Let's separate by degrees and see how much the arts and social sciences students earn.

[@randoH3000]

@@safeandeffectivelolIt’s not that simple. Studies are finding that long-term STEM success is difficult given its a radically changing field. By 40 most of your STEM experience and knowledge may be obsolete compared to a fresh college graduate, whereas a humanities major who is now a lawyer continues to gain more money with experience and a track record of success. Career track and adaptability is a significant factor when looking at earnings, not just your major.

[@MichaelBrown-sh8yh]

Yup

[@ronaldmcdonald3965]

Universities need reform: 1. Useless degrees 2. Way too expensive 3. Too many administrators 4. Useless amenities that are marketed to draw in students 5. Lack of free speech 6. Too much ideology and not enough learning 7. The way they tech economics, history, and civics are ineffective and counter-productive

[@DxModel219]

2. Way *too expensive looks like you need to enroll

[@cydzview]

​@@DxModel219so true, learn that men can become women and that Palestine is a country

[@mason5540]

Get rid of critical race theory and wokeism. Ban communism

[@rivertonhigh-v4t]

@@cydzviewSo are Kurdistan, Baluchistan, Cyprus, Phygia, Lydia, Lycia . . .

[@AliceInStays]

@@cydzviewThey're more of a nation than a country.

[@anonymouscitizen2732]

“Someone with a college degree is going to earn more in a lifetime” yeah….that sales pitch doesn’t fly today. There are simply too many entrepreneurs without college education that earn WAY more than there college educated counterpart.

[@IceLynne]

I have a friend that works a physical job on the docks in the port of Los Angeles. He has no education past high school but enjoys making $200,000 a year and only works 4 hours a day 5 days a week. He's not alone either because there's lots of ships and lots of people doing what he does. It is very physically demanding but if you're strong go for it and if not there's lots of other dock worker jobs making 100 -150 grand a year but no one down there makes less than 100, 000 working full time.

[@sew_gal7340]

That only works until you're in your 40s then what? No future in that, no security and no health insurance.

[@sew_gal7340]

People who are smart enough to make money by being entrepreneurs are naturally smart and business savvy... You're not one of those people, you're a normie so college is better for you

[@anonymouscitizen2732]

@@sew_gal7340yes, $100K in student loan debt for a $30k/year career is better. SMH. 🤦

[@anonymouscitizen2732]

@@sew_gal7340you are living proof that college does not make you smarter.

[@riceking5507]

Liberal arts degrees aren't worth wiping your ass with these days.

[@mason5540]

never were

[@abolisher]

😂😂😂

[@svongsa]

😂😂😂 where did that come from???

[@thomasdwyer641]

dude do not dirsricket toilit paper yu denmcrt

[@svongsa]

@@thomasdwyer641 🤣🤣🤣

[@kylorenthehusky2584]

Agree with most folks. College educated people with 10 years of work experience can barely afford to live here much less a college student working part time at the mall and taking 18 units.

[@IceLynne]

It's too bad they didn't research stats beforehand that would have given them a leg up in decision making. I never went to college but instead educated myself and with a few years of proven results in a lower position, I was able to negotiate a much better position and pay. There's other things that can attract an employer to you as well like; punctuality, being early and staying late, being available for work that needs to be done regardless of the task, having a good attitude, bringing good ideas to the table and a passion for advancing whatever company you work for (for the benefit of your own pay and job security).

[@kylorenthehusky2584]

@@IceLynne completely agree! It’s like that Rod Stewart song oh la la. I wish I knew what I know now, when I was younger 😀

[@IceLynne]

@@kylorenthehusky2584 true! 😂 😂

[@vinyl_soul]

Colleges continue to raise tution and we are now at a breaking point where so many people cannot afford it.

[@carpelunam]

Im actually excited, thats usually when you start to see change.

[@nachc6459]

They dony care. They have to get rid of stupid departments like chicano studies

[@Mrbfgray]

Most degrees are between useless and obsolete--replaceable by internet individual studies. And the Neo-Marxist indoctrination may do far more damage than any possible benefit.

[@LuisFlores-mc2tc]

Don't go then acoustic

[@peterbedford2610]

Lay off faculty? How about the administrators? CA universities have huge payroll of on teaching emploiyees.

[@user-zq4fv8sj6v]

2:03 White men don’t want to go where they’re not wanted with BS DEI.

[@randygraham926]

Exactly. The faculty are important, the administrators are not.

[@tindrums]

It is a simplistic answer. I am in academics both in teaching and managing edu institutes. You cannot leave managing institutes to teachers only. It will be a disaster.

[@user-zq4fv8sj6v]

@@tindrums Academia decided to put DEI above meritocracy and alienated White Men so they’re getting what they deserve.

[@Black-Butterfly-B1]

Some of the admin needs to be overhauled. Some have never been an educator or it was 10-20 years ago. Some depts have a lot of admin, some have fewer… The higher ed sector is not using best practices of others industries because the admin has phd.. oh well.

[@waynemanning3262]

My daughter is in second year engineering, her tuition is about $6000 per year. You might have guessed it’s not in the states.

[@freeman4899]

Science and Engineering degrees will help her. Those garbage arts will not help anybody

[@AngelVasquez-nw8zf]

@@freeman4899 Nowadays. not even that

[@squawkdude]

you can get a bachelors in engineering at a local community college for 6k a year

[@SarahRamsingh]

@@squawkdude You get an AA from community college. Then you have to transfer.

[@christinabSF]

Not only is it getting too expensive, they've let the campuses decline dramatically. Nothing like paying bay area prices and sitting in a classroom fresh outta 1992

[@rivertonhigh-v4t]

Things have come a long way in the past 30 years. Now campuses have gone woke with CRT agendas.

[@mr.kilpatrick2991]

yeah but they put in a rock climbing wall!

[@gnryushi]

You don't get what you pay for anymore. The trades are far more lucrative now. Even STEM is under threat with all the tech layoffs and that sector slowing.

[@redgrant4897]

The border is also wide open. Look at the number of foreign nationals working at Google in Mountain View. They have degrees from universities in their home countries. They never took out U.S. student loans and they re working jobs that should go to U.S. graduates. The system is broken at all ends.

[@kikilynn1167]

STEM is also going to be hurt by AI.

[@spaceoditty-tp6mf]

@@redgrant4897 google did not become google by being patriotic, it's an american based global company who has to compete globally, therefore they hire best people for the job weather american or foreigner

[@redgrant4897]

@@spaceoditty-tp6mf Interesting comment. American companies don't "train" employees anymore. Training employees is an expense. American companies access the global labor market - ( at the low end with migrants and high end with H1-B visa) - and get what they want. They take foreigners with education and internships in their own countries over Americans who just have education. Native Americans end up in lower paying jobs and disenfranchised. What are the long term ramifications of this? Recently, the U.S. and U.K. armies have had a tough time getting recruits. A system set up to enrich the elite historically fails. So, who is on the right side of history? I guess we will find out in the next major war.

[@zerocal76]

@@redgrant4897 The border? Ha, there's no border digitally. Companies have been outsourcing for decades now. Before it was just China & India now its spreading to various parts of South America. I don't blame them. Taxes are high, cost of living is high so u have to pay employees more, food costs are high, tuition, health insurance. American employees are expensive as hell. The solution is to stop corporate greed.. hmm yeah.

[@Marianthon]

High cost of living, high crime, sky high prices. It's not rocket science why yet admin are gonna look at this and wonder "why won't they fork over money to us?"

[@jesseleeward2359]

What are Americans paying in rent? When I was in the states many places in the city were $2000 a month. A lot of jobs are only part time and will get you $2100 a month, and the hours are inconsistent. At the whim of the company. How can anybody be confused about what is going wrong in the USA? How can anyone think this is sustainable? It is outrageous. And the attitude of many employers is that they don't even think about it because someone is telling them that it is 'none of their business' I just can't believe this is seen as acceptable.

[@karenhardie1132]

Need to go into the trade jobs. Less years and money. Good paying jobs. Plumbers, electricians, carpenters, heating and air conditioning, welders, mechanics.

[@joeblow1688]

Those jobs are not going away.

[@Dennisaj]

You forgot to include software, engineers, and data analyst… No degree required

[@tindrums]

Poor Social Equity.

[@IceLynne]

@@Dennisaj I didn't know that.

[@Mrbfgray]

@@Dennisaj You can work as an engineer (or anything else) for the likes of Elon Musk without any degree, they don't much care about paper credentials, they care about how many difficult problems you have solved, your productive potential.

[@lucasstuart-chilcote7069]

I dropped out of my CA community college in 2018 after losing interest, got a full time job, then got my required IDs to join the maritime industry. I graduated into a labor union in 2019 and have found a rewarding and comfortable middle class income without any debt. Yes the higher paid supervisor positions require an associate degree at least and supervisor like experience or equivalent but my job title is retirement worthy with all the benefits, pension, and paid medical. I’m happy to not have assignment deadlines, stress from studying for a test, or education expenses.

[@RoseRaines]

I wonder if those in the supervisory positions at your job even think their degrees were worth it or even needed to do their role in the company.

[@redgrant4897]

You write and express yourself well too!

[@Woeisme2]

Supervisor positions are non union don't do it! Stay in the union!!!

[@sethbrodie]

My brother didn't drop out. He went to a maritime school. He's 28 and makes $120,000 a year. His student loans are paid, he owns a house, life is great (except he's a sea 50% of his life). Maritime is a great option, but getting an education is maritime work is even better.

[@haydenfowle7576]

Also Overzealous parking enforcement who enjoys writing tickets for the hell of it and paying outrageous parking fees and still have to walk a mile to dorm, overpriced books sold in the same place that same place that sells overpriced hoodies and mugs that nobody who actually goes to the school could afford

[@PaulPavloPablo]

Don't force students to take stupid general education courses that aren't related to their major. Some countries it only takes 3 years to graduate but in the usa it's 4 years. That's a waste of time and money.

[@SuddenUpdraft]

Very sensible.

[@PelosiStockPortfolio]

Disagree. The trade schools and 2 year degree/certificates are for getting a job. The point of a university is to get a "higher education", hence the term. And learning about classic writings, philosophy, etc is an important part of higher education. If you choose to major in engineering to be highly employable like I did, you are free to take on the extra classes and do so. And it often takes 5 years in the US to get an engineering degree these days

[@FilmSureelist97]

Agreed

[@waleedmascorro]

yes

[@tomasq.c6095]

Chilean college system where engineering degrees takes 5 1/2 or even 6 years to complete (without counting extensions when fail courses): 🫠

[@AlexWedi]

Ya how about they lower to cost to attend these places

[@sethbrodie]

Capitalism.

[@chrisbell238]

BS. My son in Midwest applied to UCLA/ Berkerly ans was denied for technical reason that he did not take 6 elective courses in high school . He was told that UC wants California Students by usless adminstrator. He is at MIT - thank you - KARMHA

[@diggingmystyle]

why is that KARMA? California schools have different requirements and are funded by the government. It is an absolute lie that UC wants California students because out of state ones pay more in tuition.

[@chrisbell238]

@@diggingmystyle really? look at how few go there as % - you really think they care about tuition.

[@diggingmystyle]

@chrisbell238 I can guarantee you UCLA and Berkley are beyond full and just about impossible to get in. Berkley has advised students to not attend classes in person because there aren't enough seats. UCLA has been full for decades because everyone in Los Angeles wants to go there. All UCs need funding from the government and accepting foreigners and out of state students is always preferred.

[@davinxi5926]

Meanwhile, everyone gets laid off , companies posting record profits ,

[@eugenefirebird8938]

That's all about price gouging and Fed induced stock gains.

[@sethbrodie]

Capitalism.

[@Anon1mous]

People are starting to realize that college degrees are not what they once used to be AND they are way too overpriced. Also based on what I see, too many youngsters attending sideshows. You can't be studying for exams when you're out late attending those things.

[@Bmwstephen]

are the art history majors finally realizing its not worth getting into debt for something they already know how to do?

[@RickW-HGWT]

Your not wrong the openings in that field and it covers a lot of areas does not justify the amount of graduates that have that degree. I.e. 1000 graduates a year maybe 100 openings in a large radius, chances are you will not be employed in the field of your degree.

[@alexlilano1931]

I got a degree in Mathematics with honors, a Bachelor in Social Work, and I am a veteran. Im male too which I'm sure played a part in how my former teacher treated me. There was this terrible teacher in my Master program in San Francisco State University. She treated me like a rebellious 13 year old. She said they dropped their standards for accepting me in front of other teachers and students. She said she needed to go slowly through every single sentence of all my papers to have a chance for me to graduate. I did enough in life to know she was full of it. I was 29 year old at the time. Imagine I was actually a naive 13 year old who actually believed her and stop trying because I didnt feel good enough. Some teachers are just insecured people who tear people down for their enjoyment. Of course I left since she was one of the main professors and Im not going to pay thousands of dollars to be insulted. I got a career which made more than master degree. I write purchase justifications for my job and proof read my coworkers, so former teacher was literally making it up. I tried to get my Master degree to be a professor. It actually good I dropped out because it looks like they are laying professors off and the universities are dying. I also hope they layoff that teacher too in the mass layoff. Not just for me, but her future students who should not be subjected to her abuse.

[@winger9229]

Had this situation aswell as a first year. The Professor was a female.

[@mallorygraf8574]

I also got my Social Work Bachelors at SFSU and was seriously thinking about getting my Master's in Social Work but wasn't impressed by the professors except for one or two. I think I know who you are talking about because when I asked her what she thought of the Masters in Counseling program she started screaming at me and saying how dare I ask her that question.🙄

[@sgnibble1]

I’m sorry you had to go through that. Some people just shouldn’t be teachers/professors. There’s many discouraging professors in nursing school too usually boomers due to the stupid nurses eat their young mentality.

[@jsan48]

They make it so hard to get into a state college and the jobs you get don’t require a degree.

[@pigerchou]

CSU, especially East Bay, gives out enrollment acceptance like candy.

[@RecursivePB]

“Hard to get into state colleges” I go to SFSU which has a 93% acceptance rate. How about you just do better Lmao

[@HeyUncleA]

If you can’t get into state college you should study harder and go to community college. I don’t want to be mean but my 11 year old daughter could qualify for most state colleges and she’s in 6th grade. She’s not even the tip top of her class either.

[@HeyUncleA]

@@Chancebauer not “cap”. She probably can’t pass it right now but she’s taking it right now in 6th grade. Also you don’t need to have passed calculus to get into college… it helps but definitely not necessary.

[@sethbrodie]

Depends on the degree. Get a STEM degree and you'll do well.

[@garetht1236]

Finally, I can get my classes without having to fight or waitlist for it and not have to worry about long lines in the cafeteria and bathrooms 🤣

[@carpelunam]

nice xbox 360 profile pic

[@garetht1236]

Haha, you are the only person I have ever known to get the reference. I'd give you an achievement if I was a Microsoft Overlord. Hope you have a fantastic day1

[@richardalex4516]

The 360 monkey 😂 My 2006 friends list all used it during our Call of Duty 2 skirmishes

[@carpelunam]

@@garetht1236 you too man 🤠 *Achievement Unlocked* *Camradery*

[@bellabella9181]

People usually go to college to improve their job opportunities BUT to be honest there are tons of good jobs out there.

[@mostlypeacefulcitizen8006]

This is just another example of the doom loop of the Bay Area, drugs, crime and squalor is up while pedestrian traffic is down, businesses and residents are leaving. This is EXACTLY What you voted for.

[@davidlowe8597]

ALL information that is taught in college is now available on the world wide web. What is the point in going to college; of all of the information that is taught, how much of that information is actually used in the job market/on the job. One of the University presidents admitted you go to college to make more money. How about teaching useful information???? Also, make it make financial sense to go-to college. They could start teaching trades (wait don't do that, you ( colleges) are to greedy and will charge $250,000 to train students to become an electrician. Most importantly get off your high horse, and stop looking down at people who did not go to college. Looks like society is giving college a grade of C-

[@jannyzhingaz9562]

tuition/materials prices, housing cost crime/school shootings, sometimes access to decent food at the end of all of that sacrifice you'll end up with insane student debt getting a job you'll probably hate and pays you next to nothing with shitty backstabbing coworkers miss me with the BS

[@RickW-HGWT]

I remember book costs in college, outrageous then , I suspect worse now, waiting for the layoffs that most businesses would be forced to do.

[@haydenfowle7576]

The pay is comparable to Five Guys, Burger King, Wendys or Taco Bell

[@judgedreddhd]

Maybe they should stop teaching that men can have periods.

[@dhickey5919]

US population under 20 years old is declining. Less children born each year and adults entering university and the workforce each year. Everyone wants toys and many skip the responsibility of raising children.

[@HomeslicedVideos]

Many can't afford raising children now.

[@DR_1_1]

Can't compete with illegals who work for half the price and have fake experience and resume that can not be verified. It's cheaper to make them enter the country at 18 than to raise them and educate them at home...

[@Muaythaifighter1000]

2:55 just because someone earns more doesn't mean they get to keep more. Such a misleading statement.

[@AbadaWeeeeeeee]

Higher education has become cultural indoctrination stations instead of a learning environment. Did you know the California constitution explicitly states higher education (tuition) is a state right so of course politicians changed the language to REGISTRATION fees. It’s just nonsense in every single way

[@Victor-it6bv]

Where have all the good men gone.

[@genuineappeal3458]

overseas

[@llamaArdiente]

The Universities can start by making it more affordable, in other countries University is FREE, $40.000 a year is ridiculous 🙄 😮

[@waynemanning3262]

Nothing is free! Check out their tax system before you make a claim about free anything. 20% value added tax plus higher personal tax rates for life add up to a lot of money!

[@jesseleeward2359]

In New Zealand university is $6000 USD a year.

[@jesseleeward2359]

@@waynemanning3262 For heavens sake. Americans are nonsense crazy about 'taxes' Americans pay so much in tax already and they get so few social services out of it. So they end up advocating against social services, and end up paying a lot in tax. So you guys pay similar tax to other countries but what are you guys taxed for? Where does the money go? You have potholes in your roads and pay $1000 for a doctors visit and $50,000 for education? What is all this money you pay in tax going to? It is vanishing

[@diggingmystyle]

@@waynemanning3262 that's true but there's zero justification for every professor to be making hundreds of thousands when all they do is regurgitate what's in the textbook. With the internet around, a lot of these professors are practically useless.

[@waynemanning3262]

@@diggingmystyle I completely agree that many professors make too much, many of my daughter’s classes are online. But when people say that education should be free they don’t realize how much money their education costs from preschool to university. The average education cost from first grade to twelfth grade runs 13-18 thousand dollars per year per student, which is paid for by the taxpayer. I remember when I went to university I was there because it was a direct path to my chosen profession and how surprised I was that probably two thirds of the students had no idea what they wanted to do in life and were basically there to keep from paying room and board at home. The tuition structure in many universities in the states is way out of wack and should be brought back inline with reality but making the tuition free just puts the burden on the taxpayer with little payback to society. Students should pick their studies well and choose professions with a chance of a reasonable return on their time and money.

[@ipressedabutton]

i hate to break it to you - but its FREE to learn.

[@carpelunam]

Damn straight

[@sethbrodie]

It's not free. It takes time. Time is money. And what you learn matters. Learning what build to use in Helldivers 2 isn't that useful in the real world.

[@ipressedabutton]

​@@sethbrodie it costs nothing to live and die. that's totally FREE.

[@quesadilla79]

A Masters Degree in mexico cost what a semester at a Jr College here costs.

[@comment8767]

If you study chemistry, the cartel will give you 100% tuition reimbursement.

[@josephlandry8787]

Drop the price and enrollment might go up

[@ro-zeea.8734]

Drop tuition that will fix it big time. And more housing will help as well. They can also do a more co ops?

[@8-bitmodern437]

When I was in college, I overheard administrators and higher-ups openly discussing how to deliberately waste more money to increase budgets. I was in the IT section of my college, and, oh my god, the person in charge of the security institute building did not know anything about technology yet would do all these terrible things. They would openly criticize my professors for teaching us more than what was directly listed in our course outline. This person cut multiple teachers' pay by 20k and removed some classes, even though these professors practically built the TSI building from the ground up-wiring, maintenance, setting up various college infrastructure (APS, SWITCHES AND ROUTERS, TYPE 1 HYPERVISORS, ESXI, etc., and the list goes on.) Three of the professors in that building left, and students just left; courses started becoming a drop-ship nightmare. Soon after, the college decided to renovate every other building besides TSI, and I felt so bitter. I'm glad I graduated before it got worse. Most of my classes, I was just teaching myself, and it felt like I had only one real teacher. It got this way only after my first year. My first year was amazing, and the classes were so good. It's crazy how greed and people who don't understand or value things can ruin everything. Before all this happened, the grades were amazing in the TSI building; we had high GPAs on the dean's list. But after this happened, people just lost any guidance and actual teaching they could get. Only a select few students actually made it, and entire sections of classes for certain degrees just got wiped out. The Network Admin Course is still there, but the cybersecurity course is at risk of going away, and the app development is just gone. Entire class generations dropped out too. some of those degrees went from having full rooms with no open spaces to only having 4 or 8 students.

[@thomaskim5008]

Offers more courses that will help to get a high paying job. Get rid of useless courses.

[@jesseleeward2359]

The answer isn't less education. Not everyone can do 'finance' and 'engineering' all types of jobs need to be paid well.

[@manofsteel9051]

Lol, that would just result in oversaturation

[@thomaskim5008]

@@jesseleeward2359 The useless courses do not help these students to get a job. So, why would getting a rid of them is any problem?

[@thomaskim5008]

@@manofsteel9051No. Increasing supply where there is demand does not lead to over saturation. Only if you increase supply where there is no demand leads to over saturation

[@jesseleeward2359]

@@thomaskim5008 so history and sciences and arts should just leave society in favor of vocational training?

[@letsgowalk]

It will always be Cal State HAYWARD to me, and I didn’t even go there. Changing the name was a dumb move that hasn’t paid any dividends.

[@Algore-rk8mh]

1. Make it cheaper. 2. Get rid of the tenure system.(protecting bad teachers) and hold teachers accountable more. 3. Cut the fat in the bureaucracy. 4. Cuts out useless majors. 5. Stop trying to get money out of students for trivial stuff. 6. Focus on getting teachers who are actually passionate about the subjects they teach.

[@veritas3179]

Stop the GREED!

[@sethbrodie]

It's not greed, it's capitalism.

[@loonpond]

It isn't necessarily the cost of tuition. Remember that California still provides free tuition to (California resident) students who attend California community colleges for the first two years of their education. Between 2020 and 2021 California had a net loss of population of nearly 171,200 people. The lowered college admissions might be related to that.

[@maganaco.7994]

Speaking as someone who has 3 Associates, Bachelors, and Teaching Credential Collage is a scam. You attending the courses with an ever increasing cost and end up with debt equivalent to the down payment of a house. What really stings is that employers do not take chances on fresh grads even if they are certified on paper because of lack of experience. To top it off I think we have all seen those job listings asking for Masters and Bachelors degrees with the earnings slightly over minimum wage. (If anyone is curious I went to community college and graduated with 20k in debt. As of this moment I am working in a public school and have no possible way to purchase a home as the prices are increasing faster than what I can save after bills and rent).

[@HeyUncleA]

How did you get debt from community college. You didn’t get free classes through grants? That usually means your parents make too much for you to qualify; or you didn’t apply. I used my financial aid from community college to put the down payment on my house.

[@maganaco.7994]

@@HeyUncleA I had grants until the last 2 semesters for my bachelor's then paid out of pocket for my credentials.

[@abduwalimuse7482]

what abt scholarships. there's so many scholarships you could've applied for

[@BadForYourKidneys]

It's crazy, I have 23k in consumer debt from supporting my sick brother with food, bills etc back in 2022. I'm down to 16k and I've been so stressed due to less work hours in the construction industry. I can't imagine walking into a school, looking around knowing everyone else is hit with a heavy burden like that. It totally locks you out from any use of credit for 2-4 years.

[@ajlee613]

due to UC and private universities going up, it seems there is an increasing class disparity in the state. the future seems to be getting split up into 2 distinct camps. 1 group with the best education you can have, and one with no higher education at all.

[@Mrbfgray]

How about the self educated group? Universities are obsolete for most degrees and the Neo-Marxist indoctrination implicit can do far more damage than any possible benefit.

[@RoninLeonim]

you have all the world's knowledge at your fingertips, absolutely nothing prevents you from learning anything you could possibly want except yourself. I am a high school dropout and have more marketable skills than anyone I know and I am constantly learning new things, the pace at which higher and public education spoonfeeds you knowledge is glacially slow by comparison.

[@RoseRaines]

I was taught to look at all angles of an issue and investigate who publishes certain ‘studies’ and ‘research’. My parents taught me this as well as my middle school teachers and high school teachers. Basically teaching critical thinking skills and common sense. Now schools are teaching students what to think. Debate is no longer allowed. Facts don’t matter in significant portions. Obnoxious and violent behavior is also handled with a ‘stern talking to’ or hugs and snacks. This all leads to a significant portion of a generation of people who cannot think critically or have problem solving skills or even be able to cope when something doesn’t go their way. Any young person, along with their parents, with self control and half a brain cell will fork over money (or loans) to go to these colleges.

[@nickc4374]

Degrees aren't that relevant anymore and it's too expensive, not to mention the RENT in CA.

[@jesseleeward2359]

Elephant in the room!

[@daBigLOL]

This is the stupidest question. Low the damn college prices and get rid of all the administration costs

[@d.f.9064]

The university system screwed itself, allowing anyone with cash to participate, then lowering standards because, for SOME reason, the average students couldn't keep up. Now, a college education doesn't mean you're more intelligent than anyone else.

[@genuineappeal3458]

I went to college four decades ago. After retirement, I went back to college for fun. College is not much fun these days, in or outside the classroom. There are no remarkable young people that look like they're enjoying life or each other. The campus is more interested in halls of diversity, bowling alleys, corporate sponsors, and parking enforcement than articulate lectures. Almost all the professors were from other parts of the planet so the accents made lecture a nightmare. I finished college during the COVID online era which meant the introverted kids finally had a learning Shangri-La and no graduation ceremony. Forty years ago the job fairs had nice recruiters that were interested in the soon to graduate kids. Today, the recruiters are smug, disinterested slot fillers just completing a mandatory assignment. The text books are more intensive today, more information, etc., but the deadlines are meaningless. It turns out, every assignment that I turned in on time was one week early because some student would cry to the Ombudsman about the difficult standards that violated their ADHD schedule or whatever excuse was backed by the administration against the professors. "Time is racist" or some such nonsense rules over traditional standards today, that is what has devalued the degree over everything else.

[@rbzsfg]

Do not go to college unless you plan to graduate in STEM, business, education, or law. Any other major is a waste of time and money.

[@sharinaross1865]

I would add Medicine or Nursing.

[@leeb.7188]

Forget law. Read the statistics - the field is grossly overcrowded. My firm had 237 applications for one position. All those liberal arts grads who couldn’t get jobs got tired of being baristas so they went to law school, and now they can’t get jobs because the field is way too crowded. And now they’re back to pouring coffee and driving for Uber, but with $300,000 in student loan debt. 😂

[@LilyGazou]

AI is affecting law too.

[@leeb.7188]

Supposedly there’s a big demand for accountants, but I’m not sure about that as a profession. So many accounting jobs have been off-shored to India, where the pay is a lot less. I suppose if you go on to become a CPA you can do well, but staff accountants are worked like dogs and not paid that much. The only positive is that an accountant can always find a job, even if you don’t want to stay there very long, lol.

[@sharinaross1865]

@@leeb.7188 is this big demand in California only.

[@rhonnieminnie]

"Back in my day" tuition at sfsu was less than $1000 and rent around campus was affordable.

[@huntas4712]

And yet we still don’t have the teachers to accommodate all the students that are currently attending🤦‍♂️

[@adelefortin6913]

Colleges are overcharging for books and tuition and have for decades. Plus, with the introduction of AI, a lot of those degrees are going to be worthless. Many of these degrees do not even give you a decent salary like teaching, for example.

[@Anhedonis]

Too bad. People think that UC is a “better” system than CSU, but that’s not the case. They just play different roles. Too many people go to UC when CSU would have been a better fit for them.

[@UXtatic]

The fact that they haven't figured it out has convinced me that I don't need to go school to be educated by people who can't think.

[@randominsights1012]

Pres Sandeen CSUEB $476,000 Pres Mahoney SFSU $523,000 **All Cal State Univ campus presidents received a 7% salary increase despite a 20-25% drop in revenue (students)

[@UncleDavesKitchen]

So many in the state barely speak English let alone go to school

[@LilyGazou]

So much free stuff. Why work?

[@theeerc123]

Too many immigrants thanks to the left…

[@charismaticfiend2688]

KZbin is much cheaper than a college course.

[@sethbrodie]

Yeah, but you do understand that the people making the KZbin vids went to college, right?

[@charismaticfiend2688]

@@sethbrodie Do you have a statistic on that, somewhere?

[@charismaticfiend2688]

@@sethbrodie That has absolutely nothing to do with my point.

[@jasminewatson8547]

College is unaffordable…Rent is beyond unaffordable. Yeah, people are too busy trying to keep a roof over their heads.

[@wolfmangoland7972]

Reduce the number of non-teaching staff and administrators; decrease the salaries and benefits of administrators. This will help reduce costs, so colleges could decrease tuition fees.

[@markmartin6436]

BS...College is a racket....be self employed and be happy

[@CanTho2022]

Why pay $100,000 for a college degree that you can’t pay back?? 😂😂

[@Noktackey1]

They can't go to school anymore with expensive rent that more than 50-60% of income.

[@jesseleeward2359]

Elephant in the room. Rent is $2000 a lot of places. Income is often only $2100 for one of the many part time jobs on offer, with totally undoable and shifting hours. What do people expect? And at customer service jobs they do all these goofy pizza and fanta parties as if ANY of the staff are teenagers. Most of them are not teenagers, many in their 30s and 40s and have families, but companies try to go along with the idea that they are just youngsters learning the ropes, so underpaying them s like a fun game. Absurd what is happening in the USA.

[@theeemnm]

That and I would only go to school online. I don’t see the value being in campus especially once you’re a full grown adult with full time job and bills.

[@JoeRogansGutBiome]

Yeah and the just raised tuition by 24% for the next 3 years 8% per year. You want students who are independent to pay for this. Insane greed. University endowments have never been higher. All paid by students. Record level greed by CA tuition board

[@oldschool1928]

High tuition for indoctrination, not useful education? Stop this now. Add practical trade courses to the curriculum. Provide numerous internships that coordinate with large companies who will hire students upon graduation, this is common in Europe.

[@jr3929]

The General Ed is such a waste of time tbh. We can easily shave off 2 years from a Bachelor’s degree.

[@jzwalz51robin45]

They got rid of full time teachers (use "adjunct professors) and increased number of administrators, plus the degrees are useless.. For this, the tuition has increased without any benefits.

[@carpelunam]

Hopefully it all falls apart so they have to actually fix the cost of education.

[@Mrbfgray]

Not just the cost but the built in incentive to scam naïve young students with worthless degrees.

[@sethbrodie]

Careful what you wish for.

[@chato12377]

Make it affordable and get rid of the crazy liberal teachers.

[@Tony-m4b]

Trade School

[@Mrbfgray]

Or just go to work in the trade of interest, be an apprentice of sorts, plenty of on the job training available plus employers who will pay for night classes. Earn a decent living while preparing to earn a very good living.

[@realnapster1522]

Make college education free and stop spending trillions on military and wars.

[@Ukc892]

Gen Z has easy access to internet and technology due to which we realized that taking huge debt and going to college is not only the way to success infact the worse way to remain in the loan trap. Better go to community college and get associates degree and get into entry level jobs. Experience is always better than the knowledge provided by college which rarely includes the thing that you are gonna encounter in the job.

[@phillipboone2005]

Hasn't the CA higher ed. System catered to foriegn students with we the cal. Taxpayer subsidizing kids that aren't even citizens. I don't care if you shut campuses down. Time to trim the fat.

[@redgrant4897]

All of America's wars over the last 25 years cost about 1.7 trillion. There is currently that amount in student loan debt. With the military you can see where the money is going: aircarft carriers, tanks, fighter jets, 100s of thousands of troops need to be equipped and fed BUT where does the money go with the universities? The Universities don't buy raw materials, build anything, design anything, test anything, warehouse anything, distribute anything. So, where is all the money going? Who is getting all the money?

[@HomeslicedVideos]

The administrators.

[@LilyGazou]

The bankers and politicians who invest in the education grift.

[@kylejohnson6867]

The CSUs do not need to have a president at each university. Significant savings could occur if Sonoma State, SFSU, SJSU, CSU Sacramento and CSU East Bay were all managed by one administration. Businesses manage their assesses this way, academia could do the same. Redundancy that is not needed.

[@genuineappeal3458]

a figurehead must have a scalp available for activist students

[@Random_Woman]

How about make less classes focused on social justice

[@opekatakata1424]

They're not addressing one of the important things. Stop indoctrinating students, stop teaching things that make no sense. Stop talking social justice and gender theory like a religion

[@JohnSkyLey]

You don't need college to be an OF Model

[@LilyGazou]

Great idea. My next job then. Doing drywall repairs and painting are exhausting me. 😂

[@pablo81778]

People are now on top of this and enrollment will continue to decline since most are realizing it is not worth it.

[@wonderingheights]

Colleges: How do we get more kids into college? Kids: lower tuition costs, provide college-to-employment support, provide affordable housing, provide affordable food plans, provide affordable transportation, provide-- Colleges: Oh. So how do we get more kids into college?

[@rickgotner7596]

Universities are too expensive, and people are realizing there's much less value for the money.

[@Cyndogg085]

My bachelor's degree I got from CSUEB has done nothing for me! I tell my daughter and neice to go to school for something they will be certified in. And something that is not at risk for AI to steal the jobs.

[@HomeslicedVideos]

The trades are always going to be lucrative. It's unlikely robotic or automated labor will ever be cost effective enough to replace humans doing skilled trade work, especially as Earth's natural resources dwindle, anything with a chip or rare metals in it is going to be incredibly expensive soon.

[@nojustno8468]

UC system is now test blind so why apply for state colleges when you can try for an UC campus? This was expected unless you apply to CalPoly SLO, it’s very competitive to get into that state college.

[@MaurytheHedgehogDog]

There’s nothing being offered at the JC except ESL and online classes. Not friendly to most people.

[@Kertbob-yu6dw]

there is also classroom classes hybrid mode too

[@LoyaFrostwind]

The high cost of living in California causes more people to drop out of school (or not start school) and go to work instead.

[@SCFLEUR]

You don’t need college to be an influencer.

[@ddc2343d]

My advice is to avoid taking out loans for college. Go to a community college or partime, but avoid college debt at all cost.

[@SK-lt1so]

Maybe people are realizing what a scam it is?🤔

[@Queenspeaks1]

UC system isn't requiring SAT or ACT scores. So, students r optimistic they can be accepted to a local UC and think UCs r higher quality than CSUs

[@genuineappeal3458]

UC will have a higher standard for writing than CSU, that is about it. One semester of UC will be the same cost as three semesters at CSU. UC will have more livable housing than the CSU...amenities are expensive...grant money is for permanent PhD's

[@victor77777771]

Go Woke. Go Broke.

[@whatsgoingon07]

Wtf does that even mean??

[@RMokros]

@@whatsgoingon07it means, when you talk bad things about America, then good old Americans turn their back on you.

[@patricew.4010]

The majority (males) of those who usually go to college for years, are now going to technicals. Its good and needs to continue.

[@uclassc]

Woman enter the workforce and that profession becomes undesirable, women go to college, college becomes undesirable take a course in the history of work, whenever women participate, men leave, and the value of, fill in the blank, becomes less

[@redgrant4897]

Problems with women in the office all my life. It can never be a normal day for them. For them a normal day is boring; so, there has to be drama ALL the time. Yelling, screaming, raging, tears, gossiping. I have seen good men leave because they were targeted for drama and didn't want to deal with the all the B.S.. Women are a nightmare in the work environment.

[@tomawey2141]

nah, they loosing money because foreign students no longer enrolling, and the University administrators are feeling the pinch.