Californio Vaquero vs Texas Cowpuncher

[@southtexasbrushcountryboy4176]

I'm a Cowboy Country Boy - but I admit and it's totally TRUE that the Original Cowboys originated from MEXICO and they taught all the new settlers in the New West World Territories all about things and techniques of being a Cowboy to live and survive in the New West World Territories later and eventually becoming parts of the USA 🇺🇸 Long live Cowboys 🇺🇸

[@carlosxjdlg]

I believe all cowboys and vaqueros received that tradition from Spaniards

[@justinocastillo5808]

Wrong. There's a saying my college professor taught us: 'There would be no Texas Cowboy if it wasn't for the Mexican Cowboy, but there wouldn't be a Mexican Cowboy if it wasn't for the Spanish Cowboy..

[@baddas380]

@@justinocastillo5808 Well... and guess who is from direct descent of the Spaniards? Cowboys are of Hispanic culture that's true, but if you were to say that: "There would be no Texas Cowboy if it wasn't for the Mexican Cowboy, but there wouldn't be a Mexican Cowboy if it wasn't for the Spanish Cowboy.." then I could also add if it wasn't because of the Moorish, there wouldn't be a Spanish cowboy and if it wasn't for the Persian riders there wouldn't be a Moorish cowboy... that's just stupid, obviously, they are different, so it is with the Spanish cowboy and Mexican cowboy, they are not the same, the clothes are different, the tools are different and so are the techniques, so it is with the rest of Hispanoamerica; Argentinian or south American cowboys (gauchos) are not the same as the North American cowboy (Mexican). Texas cowboy still is the same as the Mexican cowboy, even the straw sombrero is from Mexico, Americans didn't change anything, only made denim pants and add country music, everything else stayed the same. Cowboys, as you know them today, is the culmination of Spanish descent (now Mexicans) and Native America (also now Mexicans). California and Texas used to be part of New Spain(= Mexico), later called Mexico (just to make things really clear for you), by that time cowboy culture already existed in Texas and California and in more states of the Americas, and that people were Mexicans, so yes, Cowboy culture as you know it today in the states is Mexican, not Spanish, because they are too different now, by now cowboy culture has been part of Mexico for more than 400 years obviously is not going to stay the same. as for cowboys from the South-America aren't the same as north American cowboys, they are even called different and use different clothes. even if you don't agree with me, we can agree in one thing, Cowboy culture is Hispanic, not from the English neither the germans, only from us the people with Spanish blood in our veins. And North American cowboy is from people with native and Spanish blood, us Mexicans

[@Eduaardojc]

Justino Castillo Respect for the Spaniards bring horses back to North America. But if you knew your history you would know that cowboy culture itself is in it’s entirety is Mexican. Sure the Spaniards where excellent horsemen but they didn’t know about bull riding, charreria, lasso, lariat, etc.. All they knew was riding horses, Mestizos and native Mexicans were the one’s who worked Mexican land and created the so called ranch life or cowboy culture. Simple as that so we both depend on each other, don’t try to give Spaniards more credit than they deserve on cowboy culture.

[@southtexasbrushcountryboy4176]

@@Eduaardojcapparently you did not read it depth and correctly and in detail. Read it again. I say it all in the middle of my comment. Maybe you understand the second time around and you understand and now your history more better and not over react with a better knowledge of reading the content more slower in depth to understand the meanings of one's words and comments. Good day - Long Live 🇺🇸 Cowboys 🇺🇸 and 🇺🇸 America 🇺🇸 💯🇺🇸 Cowboy 💪 ✌️ Brother ✌️

[@moosedrool1490]

Californio or Texan, doesn't matter. God made 'em both. Stay humble, or the Lord will humble.

[@Mapdotnowhere]

Moose Drool amen

[@gerardoschiaffino2922]

Viva Mexico ! MX MX MX

[@vaqueromx2186]

Viva Mexico 🇲🇽 MX 🇲🇽

[@98dodgediesel5]

Amen

[@West-TexX]

I worked with Buster’s daddy, Mr. Royce McLaury, on the DE Richards ranch between Paducah and Guthrie, TX, once when I was a kid. Talk about a cowboy, but there were other men there who I looked up to that you’ll never hear of like Joe Cade and Claude Flippen. Boy, they were something else.

[@eliorocha10]

The real vaqueros (cowboys) The Californios from Baja California, Sonora and Alta California, The vaquero from the northerrn states of Chihuahua, Nuevo Leon, Coahuila Tamaulipas and Texas and the Charro, the upper class cowboy, right hand of the Hacendadado "Patron' from the central states of Mexico in Jalisco, Hidalgo, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes. All Mexicans, all their own cowboy culture.

[@andresleon-jimenez7004]

My family is from Guanajuato but I don't know much about the cowboy culture there. Are they charros too or something else?

[@alejandrosanchez6683]

There’s is a little of mixing up and confusing stuff here, although your not right your also not wrong in a way. That is why it is important to address the historic context or the Timelapse of events.

[@TheMariepi3]

the missionary friars of very diverse origins and around 1750 who established missions in Texas, California, Arizona, etc. had Tlaxcaltecans as cowboys from their cattle. This is historical data. From what I've read, already around 1750 these cowboys were very skilled with the lasso

[@vaqueromx2186]

Viva Mexico cabrones !! 🇲🇽MX 🇲🇽 🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🍃🌵

[@louielove7514]

Q viva!🇲🇽

[@californianoelmarichi8856]

My grampa was Originally vaquero 🤠 of California

[@vaqueromx2186]

Viva Mexico 🇲🇽 MX 🇲🇽 🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵

[@sterlingbither5866]

I am thoroughly confused why people keep saying vaqueros came from Mexico, that's pretty obvious it's just that the Americans where tought by the vaqueros that where in California which where known as CALIFORNIOS like the guy said

[@antoniozenil7812]

Si!! Señor !!! Tu si sabes. Yes, Sir!!! You really know the origin.

[@junior1497]

Uhh please read some primary documents from the era such as Antonio Osio. Being a californio=mexican. It was the equivalent to Virginian=American

[@fel1xxpubg972]

Because Mexicans also lived in Texas and were Vaqueros and you cannot just change the word Vaquero to cowboy and say its different or that its your own culture. I hate hearing people in the US say cowboys and not Vaqueros like if it wasn’t a Mexican culture that they are wearing.

[@gerardoschiaffino2922]

Viva Mexico ! MX MX MX MX MX

[@1988vikable]

California was an officia state ofMexico before American immigrants stole California and other states and appropriated the vaquero/ cowboy culture

[@Nortekman]

Historically, in Mexico, there were four different ways of fastening or securing the lasso rope: Before the Mexican vaquero saddle was invented, the saddles used didn’t have a cabeza or horn, so the rope was either tied to the horse’s tail or around his neck. Once the Mexican vaquero saddle came into existence, there were two ways: “Chorrear and “Amarrar a Muerte.” Chorrear or Darle Vuelta or Give it a turn or Wrap it Around, is when you wrap the rope around the horn of the saddle after you throw it; apparently the Americans couldn’t pronounce Dale Vuelta or Darle Vuelta and ended up pronouncing it “Dally Welter.” Darle Vuelta or Chorrear was typical of Central and Western Mexico. Meanwhile the Charros in Northern Mexico would use the other method called “Amarrar a Muerte” which means “Tied to the Death” which means you tie the rope to the horn; this technique was criticized by Charros in the south because it was very dangerous, if you roped something or someone and you had to make a getaway, you could end up being knocked from the saddle. Nowadays, no one uses any other method but Darle Vuelta, it is safer and it looks more impressive.

[@zachsargent3854]

Just not true. Most of Oklahoma, Texas, and New Mexico ties off. A lot of Arizona does. I’ve worked with guys from Wyoming, Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Utah that tie off too. To say everyone dallies now shows you haven’t been around much.

[@Nortekman]

@@zachsargent3854 I meant that in Mexico no one ties off anymore. It use to be the way in northern Mexico (while dally was a southern thing), but now everyone just does dally roping.

[@alejandrosanchez6683]

@@zachsargent3854 because you gringos don’t dally we know you are not cowboy or skilled enough to do it. Because yes dallying or darle vuelta is more complicated to do and it takes skills and more efficient but if you do the amarrón a muerte that’s on you. Besides the gringo cowboys came after the Mexican who taught them. So yes it is still done in Mexico and California, Texas, Oklahoma, etc anywhere where there are Mexican charros they dally. Not all the white people are skilled enough to do it therefore not all do it.

[@alejandrosanchez6683]

Buenísimo comentario Nortekman

[@zachsargent3854]

I dally on a slick horn, it’s not that hard dude. I tie off some as well. When I have guys ask me how difficult dallying on a slick horn is. I tell them it’s not hard at all when you have sixty foot of rope. You’re not special.

[@brycebertolino7017]

Hard and fast, it was practically genetic in those old hands that came up to Montana from Texas. It was living on the edge.

[@vaqueromx2186]

Viva mexico 🇲🇽 MX 🇲🇽 🌵🌵🌵

[@chadwickreno8499]

South Texas weather is like North Mexico weather- Hot, too hot.

[@broomtailcountry]

Excellent video on the Cowpunching cowboys of the Southwest.

[@TK-lt9kr]

Doesn't matter which state they're from, as long as they're Super Punchers! ;)

[@marymartins866]

Yeah, true talk

[@marymartins866]

That's just it

[@daniel-avendano]

el origen de los vaqueros es de México, ya existian vaqueros en texas y california desde que pertenecian a México!

[@daniel-avendano]

Stephen Paddock se originaron en las primeras misiones españolas en los antiguos territorios del norte que son los actuales estados de Sonora, Chihuahua, baja California, Tamaulipas, Nuevo León, saludos desde ciudad de México!

[@adminuser5810]

pues desde el desembarco de los españoles en america, la concentración de la adaptación del jiinete español sucedia principalmente en México, empezando por los estados mas aptos para la ganadería como Jalisco(de donde evoluciono el charro basado teoricamente en el charro de salamanca y se iba extendiendo hacia los estados mas al norte como chihuahua, texas, etc. en cambio por el lado anglosaxon jamas ha habido una tradicion ganadera, sencillamente por que los ingleses, irlandeses, etc. a lo mas que llegaban era a pastorear a las ovejas. incluso el sombrero, la evolución del sombrero cowboy viene de la cultura y preferencias mexicanas, el anglo usaba su bowler hat y sus variaciones. la imagen del vaquero marlboro que nos vende hollywood como propia(donde al mexicano lo pintan con un sombrero zacatecano y un zarape) de USA, en realidad era la mexicana. echale un ojo a estos foros de apasionados estadounidenses del sombrero: www.curtrich.com/hats2.html

[@waterp2202]

Chihuahua

[@rubencuadros7174]

El origen de los vaqueros se encuentra en las marismas de Doñana, Huelva, España.

[@ACOMX-jl4zf]

@@charlesb.m.8798 Spanish bring the cattle and the horse but native american and mexicans turns the horseman into the Vaquero.

[@robertneven7563]

i love Texas lik e hell, been there, San Angelo

[@erikgaribaldi1227]

There's good vaqueros in Mexico, same goes for the cowpunchers in the U.S. We are all the same we just have different way of working, different way of living, some cowboys like living in expensive homes and fancy clothing's luxurious diesel trucks while some drive old rugged deisil trucks and live in old Adobe houses and eat outside. We are all the same but all different.

[@77Cardinal]

The film producers, Paul and Susan are friends I met before the Vaquero Series in Santa Barbara. Growing up in Santa Barbara I had a "buckaroo" outfit and a cap pistol. I begged my dad for a horse. We lived in the suburbs on what had been a Mexican land grant ranch, subdivided into 1/4 acre lots. No room for a horse in the land of the Vaquero. Years later I met Paul and after we talked he said he would let my young son go to his place on Saturdays, clean his stalls and do chores in exchange for a little riding time in the foothills. I went riding with Paul and my son a couple of times. My son would relax on the old mare and sometimes even just start singing. He told his friends at school about it and suddenly didn't want to go riding any more. "Horses are for girls" his friends had said. I look at these highly skilled men from California and Texas and the comments here from proud Mexicanos and wonder how this could happen. Something has cheated our boys out of learning something that makes a man skilled, patient, brave, proud and respectful of others. I'll dedicate this post to Paul and Susan who personally opened the door to us and have been generous these many years by sharing something worth passing on. We left Santa Barbara and moved to a farm in Canada. I bought two horses. One for my sons 12th birthday. He's 28 now. Those horses and the example of Paul and Susan made both of us better men.

[@joeydahl9764]

Im from Santa Barbara but now I'm Montana I love SB

[@gerardoschiaffino2922]

Viva Mexico ! MX MX MX

[@thatmonster8]

The word "BUCKAROO" derived from the word Vaquero

[@jKLa]

In Texas rodeo culture is still strong (as it is in the plains states in general) and in many of the schools so a lot of young Anglo and Tejano Texan cowboys still work on the ranches and feedlots along with Mexicans. In California today not so much...

[@77Cardinal]

@@jKLa Thank you. Ironic in a way that some of the best preservation and documentation of the California Vaquero culture has come out of Texas. On a side note I brought hackamores to eastern Canada and use them on my two Canadian bred "sport" horses. I was returning to the farm from summer pasture along the road that fronts our place riding one with the hackamore (rawhide bosal and horsehair mecate) and leading the other. A truck with Nova Scotia plates slowed down out of courtesy to gently pass. But I saw the face of the female passenger studying the rig with a look of surprise as she went by. There is deep horse culture here of a very different kind from what we know out west. She might have heard about the hackamore but she never would have seen one. My riding buddy, a neighbor from western Canada, was keen to saddle up with a bit at first. I explained I'd rather he didn't. It took two trail rides and he was convinced he didn't need one. Saving and passing on that knowledge is good for us and good for the horse. Happy trails Samuel.

[@duncancallum]

The largest ranch in Australia is 5.851.000 thousand acres , and over 7 times the size of King Ranch Texas . Now i call that big .

[@sterlingbither5866]

And they got 6 pair cause you need a million acres to feed one pair😂

[@thatmonster8]

The word "BUCKAROO" derived from the word Vaquero

[@marcorodriguez1654]

We Mexican Cowboys were the first ones in USA we inheri from our Spanish Ancestors before the Anglo-Saxon arrived.

[@larpingastheduchyofburgund337]

Cowboys are gay. Plantation owners are better.

[@marcorodriguez1654]

@@larpingastheduchyofburgund337 mmm how many of them screw you 😂

[@stuglenn1112]

Fail. In 1521 Spaniard Ponce de Leon arrived in Florida with horses and cattle. First cowboys in the USA were in Florida.

[@marcorodriguez1654]

@@stuglenn1112 😂😂😂 😂😂😂😂 you are a lier 😂😂😂😂 it was in Texas when it was part of Mexico and yes pince de leon arrived in Florida but they were conquistadors.

[@aribear889]

@@stuglenn1112 lmao they were caballeros, vulture! The vaquero culture originated in MX.. (Texas/CA.. and MX). The lasso, riata, outfits alls came from MX MESTIZOS

[@nmelkhunter1]

Tip of the hat to Waddie Mitchell, a true buckaroo. I'm sure Buster McLaury is a hell of a hand too.

[@johnnorton2182]

nmelkhunter1 Buster is as good a hand that comes. Heck of a horse trainer to

[@buddysmith407]

Waddie Mitchell was on the cover of "Western Horseman" magazine back in the 1980's and the cowboss of an outfit that probably covered a million acres, long before he jumped into the Cowboy Poetry. I wish I had kept that months issue. I got to meet him in Clinton, Arkansas at the National Championship Chuckwagon Races. He is a genuinely good fellow.

[@vaqueromx2186]

Viva Mexico cabrones la tierra de los Vaqueros 🇲🇽 MX 🇲🇽 🌵🌵🌵🌵

[@joycenesselhauf180]

Pointing out various differences between a style of cowboying does not a criticism make.

[@fel1xxpubg972]

You cannot just change one little thing or two and call it your own culture 😂😂 cowboys are literally wearing 99% to 100% of a Vaquero.

[@mariaconway405]

I so love Texas 🇵🇷

[@marshallferron]

But apparently not enough to be able to tell the difference between the Texas flag and the flag of Puerto Rico lol

[@scotgcoab9380]

Californios are proud of their Spanish Heritage, Spanish brough all this to the new word and im also proud to see it is still there just like in my town in spain.

[@dab0331]

@312vandal it has everything to do with them, you idiot

[@dab0331]

@312vandal yes it does idiot. The american southwest was only mexico for like 27 years or so, not even 30. The vast majority of the art of cowboying was done under Spanish rule and influence. They literally invented it and brought the cows and horses. Although Indians and mestizos did contribute to it it was done mostly in isolated places like California and Texas because Indians were banned from learning. I think I would know my own history as a Mexican-American. Yeah we refined it after the Spanish were defeated but let's not try to change history. As mestizos, the Spanish are still our ancestors and blood

[@edmundooliver7584]

@@dab0331 the spanish were in the america's in the 1500s. it was developed over a century in mexico and baja .the indian's were useing the raita made of maguey or agave plant to catch small animals.

[@jms6605]

Dario Baez they brought the horses and cows, but it was invented in Mexico, by Mexicans under Spanish rule, the Spanish didn’t have those techniques or names in Spain, it was invented to deal with the cattle over here. Just because it wasn’t called Mexico, at the time, means it isn’t Mexico.

[@stone0234]

@@jms6605 It wasn't Mexico it was New Spain but we also can't separate the relation of the two. People seem to try and separate the two but the reality is the people are one and the same.

[@gerardoschiaffino2922]

Viva Mexico ! MX MX MX MX

[@margaretmargaret6582]

I'm in Nevada and we run our cattle on the BLM year round with a spring and a fall gather - weve got some really rough country desert /big mountains)steep canyons and rocky & most of those cattle are really wild and onry

[@martincurtis2257]

If you dally you can lose a thumb or finger if you dont do it right but theres less of a hard jolt when whatever youre roping hits the end of the rope. On the other hand, hard and fast men dont have to worry about dallying but as the guy said, if you need to let go of that rope you cant. Theres been stories of saddles being ripped off the horse by the "sheer power" of the animal being roped.

[@jose12410]

All the cowboys from all the world 🌎 we are like family but the real vaquero originals are from Mexico no disrespect

[@ederdho8437]

Pues a mí me vale vrg si los cowboys tienen influencia española, todos sabemos que los más chingones somos Mexicanos; Charros, Rancheros, Norteños.

[@porte-majestuoso]

Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel El vaquero hespañol es demasiado viejo, aburrido y gay. Prácticamente el vaquero de Hespaña ya no tiene parecido con todo lo que evolucionado y cambiado en América.

[@porte-majestuoso]

Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel Hespaña tiene su versión del vaquero pero ya no se parece al vaquero mexicano.

[@porte-majestuoso]

@Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel Por favor no intentes comparar al vaquero mexicano con el hespañol por favor. Es como comparar a un espartano con el Miss Hespaña.

[@porte-majestuoso]

@Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel No se parecen en nada, el vaquero hespañol es muy gay. Aquí si hay testosterona hasta para donar un poco a hespaña.

[@porte-majestuoso]

@Ye Olde Horsemanship Channel Y quien eres tú para decirme que creerme o que no??? Quien eres tú para decirme a quien admirar y a quien no??? Sólo eres un hespañol frustrado porque en MÉXICO admiramos y queremos más nuestro lado indígena que el lado hespañol Jajajajaja. A nadie en México le importa su lado hespañol jojojojojojojojojojo.

[@568843daw]

Good ol’ Boys. Say’n that in the most respectful way.

[@fernandoalatorre9128]

Saludos cordiales desde Tepic nayarit México

[@onmycaballo2628]

For me (no native speaker) the main difference is: I can understand the man from texas.

[@bryanmontgomery4050]

I’m from south Texas, never have tied on in my life!!! Dally rubber my entire life, doing some rope slipping as I get older…

[@jobsearch5871]

ALL THE COMMENTS TRYING TO WRITE OUT THE MEXICAN FROM HISTORY SHOWS A LOT

[@horsemindedwtp]

Makes a very clear statement about, why doing it right is so important. As apposed to doing it fast, where there is the very probable likelihood of injury to cattle horse or Rider and possibly all three, not to mention if someone loses a finger, or dies....... It doesn't sound like it would make a good story to me it sounds like it's silly stockmanship of the worst kind in practice. Just my humble opinion

[@joeteague2993]

I have lived and worked In both places, both men are right Becouse it's not the same country and cattle are different. The cows in Wyoming and Montana were dog gentle, no brush to make them otherwise. Not so in Texas and New Mexico

[@gerardoschiaffino2922]

Viva Mexico ! y ya

[@zachsargent3854]

Shows what kind of cattle you’ve worked. My buddy from Nevada started tying off when he got to Arizona because he kept losing his rope. Bad stockmanship is working cows I the 110 degree heat because you’re too slow.

[@fabianalvarez9713]

Dont think that California and Texas were the only two territories for vaqueros when there is an entire state of Arizona to supply.

[@cybercuichi]

As food supply, and to furnish breeding stock for the proposed missions and settlements in Alta California." Those horned Spanish cattle which accompanied Portola and Father Serra were, it is believed, the first cattle to arrive in what is now the State of California. Followed later In 1773." Juan Bautista de Anza brought 200 head of cattle to California to supply the early California missions. And where you have cattle you need vaqueros, but we also know that Francisco Vasquez de Coronado introduced a large amount of cattle through New Mexico earlier on his expedition in 1540, and to drive 1,500 stock animals, obviously he had vaqueros on his expedition he took 30 men along, very likely all good riders. And that was a hell of a trip on those days, all the way from the little town in Mexico's State of Nayarit in Santiago de Compostela, all the way to Quivira territory central Kansas near present-day Lyons extending northeast to Salina. He took about a year to get there, and he retraced his route twice at certain points once reaching west into what is Now Baja California to the sea of Cortez near the border of the US but in Mexico, and another crossing Arizona From New Mexico, to the Grand Canyon.

[@TheMariepi3]

something little known is that nowadays there are also cowboys in Spain (but with customs very different from those of America because the cattle in Spain is "very domesticated", they are "very obedient", because the usual thing in Spain is to move thousands of cows twice a year between the pastures of the north (good in summer) and the pastures of southern Spain (good in winter).In America it was preferred to leave the cattle in semi-freedom, they were part wild cattle, which when they were a few months old It was branded with iron and since it was feral it was necessary to catch it with a lasso. These feral cattle, when they were one or two years old, were captured with a lasso or with a special spear (hamstring or desjarretadora ) that cut the tendons of their legs and then they killed . taking only the skin and fat, the meat was usually abandoned.As it was feral cattle, it had to be caught with a lasso, a practice that was done with more and more mastery. In Spain to move feral cattle vaqueros used something similar to a spear with a very small point, called "garrocha" and the cowboy was called "garrochista". Write "garrochista" in the google search engine and then click on images: the old pictures of the Spanish cowboys are interesting. These are vaqueros of Spain moving cattle: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoeXoWlra7Z2m7c or kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHKnZX2siKl5nas ( the use an old Roman road of perhaps 2000 years old )

[@azaelgarcia8690]

puro sonora

[@quincyball4440]

Daily is the only way to go

[@jmms625]

The original vaquero is from México bottom line.you like IT or no.t💯

[@Mv_8o5]

Sami Moline lol pretty much

[@osvaldocastillo3510]

eran charros no tenia caballo s asta ke se los trajeron los primos de cortez y escalante

[@texasdrifter4544]

Y'all Vaqueros need to understand that here in Texas we are bred to get her done we don't have all day to get the job done, don't have time to look at our pretty fancy ponies or whatever, we needed the job done there's horses to feed cattle to feed horses and turn back out or is it to catch we have a lot to do the work is never done

[@1988vikable]

Well Mexican vaqueros taught Texan American immigrants how to be a cowboy. Cowboy is originally Mexican culture.

[@jobsearch5871]

@@1988vikable ACTUALLY THE MEXICAN TAUGHT THE JOO OWNED WHITES HOW TO BE A COWBOY

[@UrbanOutlaw713]

Vaqueros are from Texas as well as California they originated the cowboy lifestyle that u portray today. All that comes from Mexico and was then taught to your people.

[@marklopes6676]

Idk what type of cowboy I’d be considered everything I was taught seems like cow punched except I do dally

[@slygun451]

More bad news.... Stetsons are made in Philadelphia Pa Colt/Remington both made in Hartford CT “Cowboy” boots invented in Kansas City MO Most clothes came from textile mills in the cities...back east! Any decent whisky “the good stuff” PA Rye Even the people....came from the East Billy the kid-NYC Doc Holliday-Georgia Butch cassidy -Illinois Sundance kid- Pennsylvania

[@3941602]

Whats the music, song?

[@victorlima4597]

Jingle in The Horses - Ken Moore

[@3941602]

@@victorlima4597 Thanks Victor!

[@willieclark2256]

Vs Florida Cowhunter...

[@pedroh.appaloosa2105]

What is a florida cowhunter?

[@willieclark2256]

@@pedroh.appaloosa2105 commonly known as 'Crackers' Florida cowhunter culture was a mixture of British 'droving' culture using whips, dogs and saddles without horns (because they didn't use ropes) and seminole indian cattle ranching culture that they developed themselves in the time that ponce de leon left cattle on the peninsula in 1513 until American settlement in the middle 19th century

[@pedroh.appaloosa2105]

@@willieclark2256 are the cowboys of the old west days an mix from the cowhunters with the mexican vaqueros?

[@willieclark2256]

@@pedroh.appaloosa2105 Not really, Florida cowhunters were isolated geographically but happened around the same time period as the western expansion. The western cowboys are mostly a mixture of Mexican vaquero culture and whatever euro culture the individual cowboys were. Originally the english which is why there is the flat vs curved hat brim aesthetic

[@stuglenn1112]

Yep, the true first cowboys in the US were in Florida. It was 1521 when de Leon arrived in Florida with horses and cattle. This was decades before the Spanish introduce them into the west.

[@franciscojavierescaladanav5906]

Have californios their own kind of saddle and riding style diferent to Western style?

[@alejandrosanchez6683]

There is not such a thing as western saddle or western way, this topi is more complicated than it seems. You cannot call it western because not everyone on the west uses the same saddle, besides if everyone used it it would be proper to call it Mexican since the saddles with horn to work cattle are a Mexican invention/origin. Now that being said, there are many different types of Mexican saddles, with many fustes or saddle trees and many head shapes and sizes like buchones, Saldivar, medio queso, Guadalajara, etc. The Californio kind is the Western Mexican style from Jalisco, Sinaloa and Sonora. It is wrong to call it California because it did not originated in CA and also because it is not the only place where it is done/practiced.

[@tomjeffersonwasright2288]

In modern times it is easy to tell the Tejanos from the Californios. The California guys ride sidesaddle.

[@edmundooliver7584]

texan ride Brokeback Mountain style.

[@patriciajensen1541]

reply to . Tommee.. jefferson.

[@junior1497]

That’s why tejanos eat bull balls lol

[@cbxxb4841]

Buster is talking about all that's wrong with Dallying while sitting in front of a big horned saddle with mule hide and slick burn marks.... somebody down there is sure dallying.

[@eddycoronado8381]

👍

[@chichipalacio]

Uno nunca puede creer la cantidad de palabras en español propias de estados unidos que no se usan en américa lantina!!

[@patatoh71]

Vaqueros verdaderos

[@michaelmccaffrey2731]

You can't slide rope tied off. Therefore you betray your horse

[@ezrael6795]

Dosnet matter what race you are any one can be a cowboy this is a common way of life shared between many people's if you know how to live off of country wether its big old green skyscrapers or big red rock concrete your a cowpoke 🙏

[@adminuser5810]

that isn't true, the stock keepers from northcarolina has nothing to do with the evolution of the vaquero(cowboy). the serious historians have that very documented. vaqueros are the mexican adaptation of the spanish horseman and nothing more.

[@arandaj5359]

Benjamin Llamas The cowboy we all know and love today are thanks to mexican culture. Yes it is an adaptation of spanish horseman but that does not take away from the fact that the Americans cowboys originated in Northern Mexico. Spanish horseman were their own thing.

[@1988vikable]

Mexicans are still the original cowboy American immigrants just adopted it when they moved into the Mexican state of Texas and then yall decided to steal Texas from Mexico.

[@GODWITHUS0712]

There wouldn't be any cowboys if it wasn't for the Mexican vaqueros but there wouldn't be any Mexican vaqueros if it wasn't for the Spanish vaqueros and there wouldn't be any Spanish vaqueros if it wasn't for the Romans.

[@jaypay8954]

There wouldnt be an America if it wasnt for the english. There wouldnt have been wide mass slavery if not for the english etc.. Mexico would be twice its size has Americans not stolen it. Its just how the world works. Look at australia they copy the AMerican cowboy which copied the Mexican cowboy HOWEVER you are wrong there NEVER was any "Spanish vaqueros" they were spanis horseman and horseman are found all over Europe including england that doesnt make them a cowboy/vaquero

[@petesakes1985]

First Cowboys came from Florida

[@georgeskanderbeg3242]

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[@alejandrosanchez6683]

Nope, they came from Mexico I invite you to read a lot more about the subject, you’ll find out the historical true facts.

[@stuglenn1112]

@@alejandrosanchez6683 Simple Historical fact: Ponce de Leon brought horses and cattle to Florida in 1521. Decades before the were introduced into the west. Firsts cowboys in the US were in Florida.

[@alejandrosanchez6683]

@@stuglenn1112 even though the historic fact you’re pointing out is correct your argument falls into fallacy. The fact that horses and cattle were introduced there and during that time does not guarantee that the customs and way of handling them came with them since the cattle were free roaming then since there were no fences. Whether you like it or not the way of handling cattle as it is known in America was developed by Mexican individuals. Spaniards have never roped, they used garrocha that’s another way. But the way used in America came from Mexico using horses to rope or lazar (lasso) cattle. The horse saddle with a head (horn) was designed and developed (originated in Mexico) as an to handling cattle when roped from horseback. Now this topic has been subject of cultural appropriation by white men in the U.S. who have tried to appropriate something that is not theirs and that was not created by them, that’s another historic fact repeated for several years now.

[@stuglenn1112]

@@alejandrosanchez6683 How they handled the cattle is irrelevant. The first cattle in the US were in Florida, so the first cowboys were in Florida it's as simple as that.

[@gerrycoleman7290]

1:24-------Look at those rowels. Among the worst for the horse. Look at the long shank bits. Don't talk to me about Vaquero tradition when it involves abusing the horses.

[@alejandrosanchez6683]

You came here to watch the video on your own; nobody forced you to. Now you may go away to wimp and cry. This is what some people do and you respect it because respect is mutual. If you want to be respected you start by respecting others. Easy and simple, if you don’t like it don’t do it then. May God bless you.

[@gerrycoleman7290]

@@alejandrosanchez6683 Focus. It is about the horse, not your rice paper feelings.

[@alejandrosanchez6683]

@@gerrycoleman7290 then you put a rice paper bed and gear to your horse and pet your horse like it was a dog and try to humanize it. Once again if you don’t like it don’t do it, just stop wimping and crying, wipe your tears and use a bozal, Mexicans created several different types of bozal with rawhide, with horse hair and others. Maybe a bozal will help you.

[@gerrycoleman7290]

@@alejandrosanchez6683 First sentence...........nope. Nice try. A traditional hackamore or just a rope halter with lead line converted to reins can get a horse as responsive as one wants. Or better yet, put your skills to the real test and take the head gear off. Horse and rider of one mind can do this, and rope and doctor cattle all day.

[@alejandrosanchez6683]

@@gerrycoleman7290 hahaha ur a funny guy. Taking the headgear off is not traditional like you claim.

[@kevinbaxter9924]

the vaquero are the true badass

[@TresPollitos]

Grin.gos stolen California and Texas to México and stolen "vaquero" culture as well

[@osvaldocastillo3510]

somos parte de una gran historia hasta to day caw boy

[@aq6737]

Los californios eran mas sissies.Los Tejanos mas machos,a huevo!!

[@edmundooliver7584]

tejanos eat huevo.bull eggs

[@junior1497]

Tan machos que comen huevos de toro

[@gabrielfelixmunoz739]

the vaquero was Mexican, stop saying Spanish

[@mj22revolution]

The only difference is that in California we have more money and more balls

[@dougbaker5792]

That’s pretty fun as the horse did not exist in North America until Europeans brought them over

[@artemisiagentileschi2400]

Not true. Bering Straight land bridge before it submerged, the horses roamed the North America Continent. Appaloosa origins trace to Kyrgyzstan. www.horsetalk.co.nz/2014/09/05/film-explores-theory-ancient-origins-appaloosa-horse/

[@jayway4346]

its more fun seeing idiots like you

[@QuantumNoir]

Actually, there were already animals that existed in central Mexico that were related to horses and zebras. Ancient horses. Europeans also brought horses.

[@adrianoalves2614]

ESTES ESTRIBOS DA CALIFÓRNIA SÃO ESTRANHOS!!!

[@wilame5903]

Brazil

[@victorlima4597]

Teu cu.

[@bradyhorton7858]

Don't fuck with Texas

[@anacasanova7350]

Los vaqueros son de origen de España . Con los pobladores españoles de Méjico llegaron los caballos y vacas al Nuevo Mundo. Y todas sus técnicas, luego los mejicanos continuaron en Texas y California ,etc.

[@peleadorartesmarciales]

Aunque en dos o tres pequeños detalles tiene razón, usted esta equivocado, los españoles como amos que se sentían y de que se adueñaron de muchas tierras no se metían a hacer el trabajo "sucio" de arriar el ganado, construir cercas, limpiar el estiércol, ordeñar las vacas, matar los animales para alimentarse, herrar los caballos, etc. en un principio esos mismos españoles que usted menciona llamaron vaqueros a los mexicanos en forma despectiva, todos sabemos que los europeos trajeron el ganado vacuno y equino a México pero los españoles no montaban toros bravos, los toreaban que es muy diferente, pero muchos como usted olvidan el pequeño detalle de que los mexicanos y la mayoría de "latinoamericanos" somos en parte españoles, es obvio que hay influencias pero no se puede decir que el vaquero sea español, ¿acaso me va a decir que el mariachi y el charro son españoles solo porque tienen influencias? es más que obvio que los mexicanos somos una mezcla de indígenas y españoles principalmente aunque en menor grado también tenemos parte de otras partes del mundo, pero el sombrero vaquero, el rodeo, y toda la cultura vaquera se invento en México, claro que si los españoles nunca hubieran llegado pues no existiría el vaquero, es obvio que se fusionaron las dos culturas y de esa fusión nació el vaquero pero no nació en España, nació en México y como dice que en diferentes partes de América existe algo parecido al vaquero, pero no son exactamente lo mismo ni los españoles les llamaron vaqueros y cada uno tiene su nombre diferente, pero el cowboy estadounidense en especifico esta 100 por ciento influenciado por el vaquero mexicano Vaquero (México) Charro (México) Gaucho (Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay y Brasil) Huaso (Chile) Chagra (Ecuador) Chalán (Perú) Qorilazo (Perú) Llanero (Venezuela, Colombia) Paniolo (Hawái) Siento decepcionarlo pero el vaquero en especifico es mexicano, existen otras cosas parecidos pero el vaquero vaquero es mexicano y fue el que copiaron los estadounidenses cuando robaron los territorios mexicanos de Texas, California, Nuevo México, Arizona, Nevada, Utah y parte de Colorado, el sombrero que por ejemplo usan los chilenos es más parecido al español pero el sombrero que usted ve en las películas "western", las texanas y todo se inventaron en México, el llanero de Colombia también usa un sombrero muy diferente, aunque últimamente cantantes de Joropo usan sombrero estilo mexicano es por la enorme influencia que tiene México en Colombia con sus cantantes de música norteña y de banda pero no porque sea el sombrero original del llanero colombiano.

[@jesusomarmerancia1488]

En Mexico se desarrollo el lazo y sus técnicas, las chaparras, y la cabeza de la Montura. Los españoles son de a caballo claro pero lo más destacado del vaquero es lo que mencione anteriormente.

[@hectorsantana875]

El vaquero proviene de mexico eso está comprobado 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽

[@jaypay8954]

eran jinetes o caballistas NO vaqueros. Los vaqueros/Charros se hizo en Mexico es de origen Mexicana.

[@1988vikable]

Los vaqueros NO son de España son originalmente de Mexico. El vaquero no existe en España.

[@waterp2202]

This are jokes, go to chihuahua, thats where the real vaqueros are, and not these jokes who claim to work

[@willyperez2475]

La pura Neta Nosotros Mexicanos Desde la Fecha hay muchos Vaqueros más que en el Norte

[@hectorsantana875]

the cowboys are Mexican in their entirety, the Americans do not have their own culture and will not have it

[@brainiacblack7590]

Vaquero is from Spain

[@sebastianchaidez8588]

Not really the origin yes but the evolution of vaqueros happened in Mexico

[@porte-majestuoso]

6_Fat_Chungus_6 Not even the origin, before the Spanish mongols were vaqueros too.

[@jaypay8954]

No vaqueros dont exist in Spain. Spain has horseman way different.

[@1988vikable]

Vaquero is from Mexico! Deal 🤠

[@amadeomiotto4573]

El origen de los vaqueros es Espaňol no mexicano

[@TresPollitos]

El origen si, la evolución No

[@xolotlmexihcah4671]

Amadeo Miotto... como ya te lo dijo Benito: El origen sí, la adaptacion no. Porque si bien los españoles trajeron su estilo para manejar el caballo y el ganado, aquí había otras necesidades y para que el vaquero sea lo que es, tuvieron que pasar alrededor de 500 años de adaptaciones a estas tierras, y todo lo que éso conlleva dieron fruto al vaquero... fue aquí en lo que hoy es México que se desarrollaron otras técnicas, estrategias, formas de labrar la tierra y el ganado, folclore, etc. y todas esas características hacen que el vaquero Mexicano sea lo que es y difera de otras tradiciones ganaderas.

[@porte-majestuoso]

Xólotl Mēxihcah 👍👍👍

[@QuantumNoir]

Los muros y persianos tienen mas raices que los Españoles en ese caso.

[@hectorsantana875]

Jajaja no, los vaqueros provienen de mexico, mexico le arraigó esa cultura a los gringos la cual copearon 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽

[@stevevassallo4323]

What the hell was the meaning of any of that? For me its just more historical mythology. Same as all American history. BS.

[@jessejjordi4689]

You are what we call ,