call of dragons - Are NTS Multibox cheaters or tactical geniuses | Caught red-handed

[@CasperLucky-gf5fj]

Thank you Hulksden! I knew you were the best COD content creator for a while. Now you proved yourself again. Great video.

[@sophophobia8841]

Meower and hulksden always my 1st choice of reference in COD. I like to watch JustKillam too

[@HulksdenGaming]

Thanks man, appreciate it!

[@gregorylightman4228]

You are the only content creator which actually analyzed their tactics before coming to conclusions. I don’t think casual players realize how big is a difference between a 15 bil and a 22 bil alliance (especially with ECHO activity and organization). In terms of military power that is nearly double. My assumption is that many NTS players run out of stamina in the end and it was decided to stop fighting to avoid bad trades. They were also fighting Kong and RK on their east front in-between the fights with ECHO. The murderball works because all the legions inside of it have the same range. This implies that once commanders call for an attack at 9 o’clock or 10 o’clock, everyone has the same 2/3 options for attack. This turns a fight of 100 vs 100 into multiple quick fights of 100 vs 2/3 players. As a result the size of opponent is not as relevant as in a banana shape. However to achieve this, you need everyone in discord. Otherwise players will be wiped instantly if the ball moves. I can see why some of their opponents think it is witchcraft. However it is more likely that they use basic geometry and a bit of discipline. More alliances will adapt this style next season.

[@BabyShark-doo-doo]

you're right, stamina was a big problem ;)

[@HulksdenGaming]

Practice makes perfect. looks like NTS has been using the system for a few seasons and they have found ways to make it work. It's just a matter of staying with the ball and not fighting alone

[@Dniderman]

O_o 314 alliance is even crazier with this formation, with their endless tanks, their attack and retreat movements are very organized, I don't know if they use multi box or not but they are a very crazy young alliance, you have to see it yourself

[@HulksdenGaming]

Is that the alliance with YY? I guess I need to check out their games more

[@AbhishekSingh-gy1zn]

Thank you for the video Hulk, but you should have mentioned that nts 7b less in power to echo, so not only they have Superior skills, they got Superior Ballzz. Oh you did a bit later though!

[@KrusiKarlsson]

Thanks for making this video. It has been clear for a while that NTS are a great fighting alliance. They came against us after fighting Kong and crew and did really well. You will see we (Echo) adapted to the NTS play style over a couple of days and progressively traded more equally, so it is doable.

[@milansc3647]

Its true that you guys improved over time but remember it was also 15billion versus 22 billion

[@HulksdenGaming]

Yeah Echo eventually adapted and made it work. it was so funny when one Echo member used Shield of sturdiness to push some NTS members out of the ball 😂😂

[@KrusiKarlsson]

@@HulksdenGaming we did some pushes with multiple shields as well which was entertaining. To be honest there's a lot more adapting we did but you'd need to watch the whole thing to id them all.

[@NTS-Hoffa]

the only content creator in this game who actually use his brain

[@tyutyu6315]

their activity and tactics are totally crazy. They are clearly the best in the game in terms of their power.

[@HulksdenGaming]

True that. They have a crazy formation

[@sophophobia8841]

Wow never expected a very thorough analysis on this. Great video Hulksden as usual. Not gonna lie NTS is a crazy alliance and very rarely I saw them toxic in world chat. Well, not sure if I ever seen them toxic. Anyways I respect NTS for choosing to fight ECHO after fighting with Kong and RK and not just farming in zone 1. Hope to see more from NTS.

[@HulksdenGaming]

They play well

[@billcdlc8331]

They have a very good playing style, we face nts and their strategy is good since they are all connected in discords, that's why they have good coordination.

[@BobFm92]

its a simple fact that the devs cant even look at ips. we know that our enemies of last season share their accounts with each other as they even told us they do. the answer we got from support was the ip of the player never changed so their is no violation of terms of service.... point 18 of the tos btw... with the conclusion that the devs dont care as long as you are a paying customer... you can do what you want

[@HulksdenGaming]

I think every single Alliance in the game does account sharing. If you were to ban them, there would be very few people left in the game

[@BobFm92]

@@HulksdenGaming you cant put something in your tos and not force it. if people share their accounts its their own fault. whats the diffrence between someone multi boxing or using your account while you are offline? its an unfair use of an account that wouldnt be online .

[@hahahaha-gq6ks]

nts leader occassionally streams their game on twitch. Good to watch.

[@Noahtwo02]

It is not an NTS formation. It is a RoK formation and FSK have been doing it since CoD started. It is not some new tactic NTS created. I mean I dont even like FSK but Kyle has been doing this for many years. Main reason they do it is to hide the T4 in the murder ball. I always poke fun at NTS (bakiss always tells me off) but multi boxing or not, they still fight hard and make some great plays (Their building plans are usually spot on to).

[@arson536]

Kyle is famous for beating his own farm account 😂😂😂. Please dont mention trash here.

[@Noahtwo02]

@@arson536like I said I don’t like him but he has been using the ball since his time in ROK. He didn’t bother changing his tactics 😂.

[@milansc3647]

And now take a guess at who have also been playing ROK for years as a top alliance, having won an official Lost Temple tournament (the ROK version of Roots of War) and making the meta more than once just like is happening now again in Call of Dragons; NTS. You act like you know who and what youre dealing with but you just proove that really you dont know.

[@Noahtwo02]

@@milansc3647wait wait. Are you saying I am right that the tactic is from RoK and then tell me that I am wrong that Kyle uses it because of RoK whilst also stating it is from RoK and NTS also use the murder ball tactic from RoK in RoK 😂 no way bro you cannot fudging read.

[@Noahtwo02]

@@milansc3647you NTS simps are thick as 🐷 💩.

[@АлексейКришталь-д2п]

this formation is good when you have low power players (under 80kk) if you have near everyone in alliance as t5 marchers, better to use banana or small murderballs there are 4 downsides of murderball: - waste of your artefacts (since target dies too fast) - being AOE dmg by enemy artefacts and from enemy mages - from time Murderball lose it overall power (so more intense fight, faster need to be refreshed) - stamina goes down faster by being AOE’d i think if NTS make order to everyone - before war season everyone shows 50kk mana and 100kk other rss (r4 command at which gate or fight to use rss heal) than war could last very long, because people would rss heal all t4 to fight 24/7 but yeah NTS is great alliance to join for people with mid online and high pvp expectations in result (since there you can easy get 7-11kk merits by the end of season by using murdeball) And they have rule - to use discord 24/7 so its fun to be around listening everyone voices

[@enicaR98]

If this training is only good if it's aimed at weak players, then how do you explain that weak players wiped out all the ECHO rallies on the first day? ECHO learned from their game and played it against them the next day and it went very well for ECHO, I think the murder ball is a mode of play that can be used by everyone and can be precisely more dangerous with big players.

[@АлексейКришталь-д2п]

@@enicaR98 i did not play at NTS or ECHO so i cant judge there but logically everything depends at UTC and online (i am more than sure that its not because ECHO hospital was full)

[@enicaR98]

@@АлексейКришталь-д2п ECHO have a lot of big players with a lot of troops and can last a lot longer on the pitch than NTS, even if stamina also helps slow down the big players. So yes, NTS were destined to lose in the long run, which wasn't a surprise, but you still have to admit that their performance against an alliance that has 7B more is extremely admirable.

[@justkidding6482]

nts one of the best alliance in the game if not even the best organized one and you say for people with mid online oO

[@HulksdenGaming]

It's a much better style of play, especially when all infantry have been killed. You can wipe out enemies faster with focus attacks

[@EXGOdin]

With the new shield artifact the murderball strategy will get destroyed

[@muhammadwaqas9610]

For a whole year i thought bnana Formation is the most advanced and lethal one but NTS prove us all wrong

[@HulksdenGaming]

Me too haha. nts is cool

[@KrusiKarlsson]

@@muhammadwaqas9610 there is more to it than that. Simply thinking one formation is better than another is a quick way to be on the losing side.

[@phillthorpe2643]

It’s pointless saying how much power an alliance has, it has nothing to do with activity

[@ecud87]

Defeat in Detail and Concentration of Force applied to call of dragons.

[@jess2111]

This is ROK formation without a range unit 😅

[@HulksdenGaming]

True. We just need to see many alliances using it

[@CoDOomp]

I am in Kong, fighting NTS for a few weeks now and I basically never get targetted by more than 10 marches even in long fights, as long as I play well. Only when I am out of position I can suddenly get 50-100 targetting me, that is to be expected. I think people have bad internet quality or bad control of their marches and conclude that NTS must be cheating, but it's just those players not understanding desync/lag or having bad posititioning. And that even includes some of my alliance members sadly 😅 Also it's a bit of a meme at this point to call NTS bots.

[@Bakiz]

The memes are funny and none of us mind it, but the reports are what is annoying :D

[@HulksdenGaming]

That kind of information makes it easy for more than a hundred plus people to Target the same March that comes out of position

[@CasperLucky-gf5fj]

I dont know who you are in game but hats off to you brother! Thanks for kind words!

[@Radagio]

HOLY FRICK THIS IS A 2 HOUR STREAM

[@ntlam1988]

ECHO has swiped this formation, the war in video happened a few days ago. The weakness of this formation is that all the troops are concentrated in one place, and when blink infantry blink into the middle of the troops, they will be taunt most of the troops, and the enemy rangers will have the opportunity to shoot freely. ECHO used this way to break this formation.

[@Bakiz]

Yes on the end of the day its not perfect, it takes alot of practice and its still breakable, Im just happy someone actually understands that is not multiboxing but rather just different type of playstyle. As much as I wanted to mock ECHO for being bad, they figured out how to play vs our playstyle and it was a fun fight. GGs

[@HulksdenGaming]

Any other 15 billion power Alliance could have been wiped easily by Echo. However, NTS made them work for it

[@enicaR98]

you are comparing a 15B alliance to 22B how can you think that lol, NTS did what no 15,16,17 or 18B alliance would have done

[@ntlam1988]

@@enicaR98 I don't compare the power, I just share about the tactic. Did you see me comparing the power between ECHO and NTS in my words above?? It's just that Hulksden said in the video that he would let his alliance use the same strategy as NTS, so I told that the strategy was broken and reminded him that if his alliance used that way, he could lose the war. You must be from NTS, right?

[@ntlam1988]

@@enicaR98 btw, did you know ECHO beat BDO last season, even they were lower in power ?

[@yourOffernder007]

i hope we can practice in NA the fighting style we need ... the only style we did was banana style nothing else

[@HulksdenGaming]

Yeah, it would be nice

[@skunkcreed9040]

Yo man There is people that has pulled IPs of NTS players and there is currently images going around of 8 NTS members Multiboxing. 18 accounts was seen on 1 IP sorry man you can not convince me they are not .

[@StasUnder]

what nonsense you are talking, you got this from ur imagination?

[@sophophobia8841]

Teach me how to pulled someone IPs without knowing their devices and locations. I begging you. You seems like an expert

[@ВиталийСубботин-ы9и]

ECHO proved that tactics are nothing, the size of the wallet is everything 😅

[@enicaR98]

NTS taught ECHO how to play, they reused their tactics, not for nothing :)

[@KrusiKarlsson]

@@ВиталийСубботин-ы9и actually we had to adapt our tactics for this fight. Which we did.

[@milansc3647]

@@KrusiKarlsson True yes but he means the huge power (wallet) difference between the 2 alliances.

[@HulksdenGaming]

I don't think that is the case. I personally think echo underestimated NTS and had to come up with new strategies to get the job done

[@KrusiKarlsson]

@@milansc3647 i got that :) my point is a bit that if we hadn't adapted to NTS there's no guarantee we would have won. They are tough to fight against.

[@TheJPetermanCo]

Sad that ECHO decided to go with no allies, they could have had a chance to beat NOIR/GG with BXS and NTS, NTS is a strong fighting team, ECHO got scared and backed out of the KVK

[@HulksdenGaming]

I don't think Echo got scared. the global Ally and how the alliances hate each other is what ruined the kvk

[@dylandiaz4786]

The ball is the worst possible formation unless you are NTS using multibox, there are many good players and they also made good plays, but no one can say that they are not cheating, that is a fact

[@milansc3647]

When you finally come to understand that it is alllllllll about which group currently has more legions doing DPS at any given moment in time during a fight, your simple brain will slowly realise that youre wrong. Ball is almost always superior versus banana.

[@SmokerNilsTM]

The moment the developers of CoD put a bot check like RoK where you have to click on some fotos to move again we will see if they are not cheating and are just that good. I still dont believe them one single bit.

[@juniorsalcedo8190]

Totalmente de acuerdo contigo!! El juego debe tener sus controles!!

[@Darkill6441]

NTS was able to beat EIS because it was whole server vs EIS they were more coordinated then we expected 100% but they also had 70 more T5s then we did across the 3 teams vs our 2 teams.

[@HulksdenGaming]

3v2 is a tough one. I assumed it was 2v2

[@Darkill6441]

@@HulksdenGaming so it was ROE + 3 mercenary groups making them same power and us and filling a sub team with another sever and 1 more merc group to form ROR and then it was also NTS which recruited another merc group. The “APE” group from TFS diablo and his group. So it was basically us vs 6 servers counting the mercenary groups. This was before global obviously.

[@HulksdenGaming]

@Darkill6441 they ganged up on you guys haha. Looks like they wanted to do whatever it takes to eliminate the threat

[@Darkill6441]

@@HulksdenGaming that they did

[@innocent125]

It is 100% true that 90% of NTS players are not cheater, but this play style is just to hide some of bots in their big ball (example like you said 100 online 500 marches, 400 will be normal players and 100 might be control by 2 bots controllers) i was fighting NTS and assume that one of their bot controller game disconnected or internet issue, i got target by 50 marches in0.1sec and i called back troop to city but that 50 marches still target me and follow me until they die with my alliance ball. You need to fight them by yourself and you will know that when the bots controllers sleeping, they are not strong

[@HulksdenGaming]

That seems a little suspicious. However, lag can affect multiple people at the same time

[@innocent125]

I dont think 10 persons could lag or internet problem at same time 😅, that 50 dps marches left the ball and were chasing me like20secs until their face hit my alliance banana and all wipe 😂

[@enicaR98]

I don't understand why ECHO is so happy to have beaten NTS, it's normal with the power or point of pvp difference between them. NTS did what not even an 18,19B alliance would have done

[@Bertong.Badtrip]

so explain. how tf do they target 1 march inside the stack of echo with 30+ players? you just see it from watching you didnt experience it. not so valid interpretation. they target all at once with 30+ marches inside a stack? not even at the front. LOL i hope you match them in the future kvk and still stay true to what you are saying now LOL

[@TuneImmortal]

Eventually ECHO won anyway they cant beat echo

[@JaMorant699]

forced to specify it? of course you beat an alliance that has half your power but it took a long time huh lol

[@HulksdenGaming]

Yeah Echo won but NTS was very impressive

[@Rereraratu]

@@JaMorant699very simple echo looks like they changed their strategy, echo looks like they no longer blinked till nts was in between castles it completely messed up nts ball. Nts even started to play in banana form and in banana form they weren’t as good as echo from what I saw

[@Rereraratu]

Basically if any other alliance copies what echo did vs nts their ball no longer works they have too many t4

[@sixtyfivewatts65]

23 billion power vs 12 billion power and you have the energy to type those words lol

[@dylandiaz4786]

You have no idea, it's very obvious what they do, the reaction time is simply inhuman, it's clearly multibox, it's impossible for 50 units to mark one of my legions at the same time, when my legions are together at the same speed over and over again

[@sleeping_forestgamingaccou9009]

Whats is so bad about it? I control two accounts across my pc and my tablet. I don't see the big problem.

[@HulksdenGaming]

That's not multiboxing

[@SultanS-s7w]

NTS not cheating, they are committed to war and way better than echo. Clearly echo was so bad lol.

[@HulksdenGaming]

Echo wasn't bad it's just a difference in fighting style. they adapted and won in the end though

[@alvori1]

On our server we have the same problem.

[@SoojuuMeup]

ROK players be like tight balls please

[@mithicash1444]

People give them too much credit. No amount of coordination would result in this consistent gang ups. I dont care how many you have in voice chat and how many markers you place. This comes from someone who has played games like these for 15 years now l. The one thing I would say is that its unlikely that they are multiboxing 150 at a time. It is more likely thay you have people multivoxing 4-5 accounts max. PCs would not be able to handle much more at the same time

[@juniorsalcedo8190]

Si eso concuerda con mis informes, cuando me tarjetearon, cada clip agregaba 5 cuentas por segundo, con 4 tropas cada cuenta. y son los mismo grupos de cuentas. y varios ataques. Es decir manejas 5 cuentas a las vez con un multiboxing.

[@Thunder-fc4qi]

not confirming or denying, but video footage is not proof of anything, there is literally videos of players cheating professionally on other games and its almost impossible to prove. but when their pc is checked .. some files are found. like the classic word.exe. Only devs and their anti-cheat methods can say. And not even games, other sports aswell

[@HulksdenGaming]

You are right, but this nts formation is amazing

[@rizizapz3204]

Yeah but NTS is not multiboxing

[@Darkill6441]

See the thing is no one has proof they are cheating and no one has proof they are not. We will never truly know honestly. But the people claiming they are cheating have no evidence to do so just speculation based on how they play.

[@HulksdenGaming]

I guess we'll know pretty soon when many alliances try to use the same system

[@Darkill6441]

@@HulksdenGaming we already use the same system in long range ware fare and TFS did it against us in season 2+ pushing the choke against EIS. We used the ball strategy against NTS ROE and ROR in the season we lost. It’s only the best strategy during long range warfare which is why I think long range warfare makes the game boring. The suspicious thing is even without long range warfare NTS continues to use the same strategy even when it’s not optimal. But yes in long range warfare seasons it’s the best way to fight.

[@HulksdenGaming]

@@Darkill6441 long range does play a major role in that formation. it may not be needed anymore because of the new incoming mages and Magzay being viable with celestials as well

[@Darkill6441]

@@HulksdenGaming depends if the new mages are aoe it will be better to hit people clumped in a ball if they are single target then sure but it will still be no where as good as when long range is out. but my point isn't if it will be better its the fact that it is not better currently without longrange and they still use it off of long range warfare thats the suspicious part to me

[@hodgeyhodge1386]

Is this why you wouldn’t rap for me in discord, does that mean now you’re better you finally will? 😂

[@HulksdenGaming]

Never lmao

[@eihjjay1564]

I don't think the video is clear enough, Hulk. IS NTS MULTIBOXING??

[@HulksdenGaming]

Nope in my opinion, based on what I saw and recorded

[@darkway5194]

Why you dont do video of your own alliance fighting ?

[@HulksdenGaming]

There is not much to show haha

[@darkway5194]

You don't like to show your own alliance idk why I think it is because BDO beat you easily But why dont show the war against ROE

[@HulksdenGaming]

@darkway5194 I have the videos. I have just been too lazy to edit and upload them

[@WorldsSmallestSamoan]

Im KonQueefTador from 45😂

[@yahouniyoucef8522]

BDO did same focus fire ball vs milf and coc

[@HulksdenGaming]

Cool

[@Game_Play_xD]

My alliance faced an alliance called ( RFF ) kingdom 283 , an alliance that plays exactly like the one in the video, it's 100% the same. It seems like they're the same players, "just the names change". We didn't have the power to fight them, so we retreated. Everyone who plays against them says that they use " several auxiliary programs " I don't know if it was fate, but we're currently fighting against "RFF" in KvK SoS2-4004. What's the detail? All the alliances that are in KvK have a gigantic hatred for "RFF", they'll literally have to fight 5 vs 1. The detail is that there was no agreement for this to happen, just a gigantic hatred for this alliance "RFF" because everyone who plays against them says that they use "multiple boxes, multiple targets". I've never played against NTS, but watching the video it's literally the same style that RFF plays, the way they refuel, the way they focus on just one target, the way they are ordered to advance and retreat, it's crazy to think that there are two different alliances with 200 or more players, being able to master exactly the same style of play and both having " bad reputation" for Multbox. I have no way of proving that RFF or NTS use auxiliary programs, But it's very suspicious.

[@HulksdenGaming]

We will know someday when many alliances learn how to fight like that

[@JaMorant699]

nts is the best alliance in the game they have 150 fighters in their kingdom and they do this? it's crazy they deserve everyone to apologize for calling them cheaters

[@HulksdenGaming]

They are efficient

[@HarmerGamingYt]

Nts have all t5 with whales, wo itna not hard to defend, there is many difference between pushing and defending

[@titonidotv2158]

fought them before, with their reaction time, they are wasting time playing cod. every single one of them should play professional valorant or cs go. it doesn't matter how coordinated you are, you simply cannot stack that many marches in the exact same coordinates at the exact same time when advancing and retreating.

[@milansc3647]

You can with strict rules, accepting only hardcore players maintaining certain recruiting requirements, and perfecting it over many seasons. Meaning use of discord during war is required. You are just too simple minded, gathering everyone that is online and stacking all marches at the exact same point is way easier than you seem to think.

[@titonidotv2158]

@@milansc3647 at one point we had no less than 70 on discord and adopted their ball tactic. single shot caller with no other distracting voice comment. it's clear as day what manual murder balls look like next to that automated precision. if you think that's all manual after watching them in dot mode, maybe you're the one who's simple minded and lack curiosity.

[@HulksdenGaming]

With more practice anything is achievable

[@Bakiz]

I play AoE2, very micro intensive game, is that good enuff?

[@titonidotv2158]

@@HulksdenGaming so of all the top alliances in the game. only nts is capable of practicing and doing this? some people in that murder ball are of course manually controlling their marches. but at the very core of that dense ball are marches that are being controlled in a way that is not humanly possible. you can believe they're micro gods, that's your right. i'm not trying to convince anybody. 🙂

[@Nevv1998]

NTS cheaters !

[@bhertzzhermoso]

I think theyre using wolf woman haelor

[@StanCOD]

😂😂😂😂😂 Whats different about NTS formation? Its called a murder ball, everyone does it - Bluestacks should really add a banana formation sync button for NTS, or they should build new formations into their AHK scripts

[@HulksdenGaming]

It's just a matter of time before many alliances start using this crazy NTS formation

[@StasUnder]

Stan so afraid that infinite money cannot win discord and tactics that create excuses few seasons before we even met

[@StanCOD]

@@StasUnder NTS is very organized and uses VC, but VC and organization doesnt mean some NTS members arent multiboxing. Lol U guys can put tags in ur name, or only use murder balls to hide it, but we've seen the obvious :) So yes NTS is very organized, but that doesnt stop members from pressing 1 button on bluestacks PS. In before Hulksden joins NTS next season, seems obvious now lol

[@milansc3647]

@@StanCOD With that flawed logic you saying that we multibox also doesnt mean we multibox. Where is the proof? You seem to have figured it all out so come on then show us all. Do you really think we have not been investigated by Devs multiple times by now cause of people like you? I have news for you, we were officially investigated more than once and nothing was found, nothing will ever be found cause nobody cheats here, nobody was banned and we are doing this for many seasons. All marches stacking properly isnt proof of cheating, its just proof of you being simpleminded and exactly the same goes for being targeted by 150+ of our marches when you dont micro correctly against us.

[@StasUnder]

​ @StanCOD praesumptio innocentiae you dont have any type of proof just excuses or clown talks in ur case. That is funny like Bxs now also calls GG cheaters, new exuse on everything it seems) You even dont have idea for what tags used. Press one button - you say like it is easy, just use logic it is imposible to manage this after you died for first single time unless you seen other ball constanly merging to main one each time people reinforcing

[@cemtanir6153]