Call of Duty Vanguard Zombies: A Retrospective Rant

[@Ch0pper]

check out Royal Match for free! mtchm.de/1dv4o

[@yourin8er]

Kevin drew ruined zombies. You should be mean to the devs. They made a couple of bad games from bo4 to now. It’s time for the community to bully Treyarch. Bullying companies online have been proven to work. Things are only going to get worst with this new engine. #bullytreyarch

[@Quintapion]

No

[@lachlanfaulks4276]

Can you review cold war

[@soggyturbo1262]

You should make a Royal Match Retrospective video next

[@loyaloneshot5874]

No.

[@JJ............................]

I'm just excited to see Treyarch get a little bit of a break. Forced to make a BR in BO4 while watching Blundell leave, ditching the game to bail out SHG in CW, and try to bail out SHG again for Vanguard zombies while making the last CW map. Hopefully they use this time to put in more effort and passion into their next game so that the quality is at least equal to CW.

[@anarche4900]

Nah the main zombies team didn’t make vanguard so I don’t want to hear any excuses when they say we only had 2 years to work on 2024 release when they had 3

[@jharju2352]

Considering how shitty Treyarch's staff members are to QA testers, they deserve a whole lot worse than being overworked.

[@mafikdew78]

Let's hope it's nothing like cold war or even Black Ops 4 both trash games

[@DiobeticDaily]

Black out was fire lol

[@jaidonxc]

@@DiobeticDaily but it didn’t need to exist and just took away resources from making bo4 an actually good game like it has the potential to be

[@yk.itsjew0420]

Thank you for the 5 am post 😭🤝

[@kred1ble669]

Est gang

[@whosyaghaddy5382]

No kidding waking up to this is great.

[@Colematthew601]

Honestly vanguard should’ve just been waw remastered, they should’ve re imagined all of the waw maps with new areas and add a pack a punch to the first three maps, I think that experience would’ve actually made this game great

[@jharju2352]

That's honestly what I thought it was going to be when the game was announced. Basically a Sledgehammer-style cinematic reimagining of WAW. Lol that prediction didn't age well.

[@commander_eaa2862]

while that sounds pretty crap honestly, it would have been infinitely better than this in every way

[@SauceThe2nd]

i mean, die machine cold war takes nacht

[@CashCody]

I've never been scammed by a game more than this one! I never bought a game and actually wanted my money back until Vanguard. This game was a slap in the face to every zombies fan.

[@crusader-j4126]

One of my "use to be" friends worked on Vanguard. after it released it got worse and worse, he was excited but then now... today?? he's nothing but embarrassed and disappointed in the game its sad, but it is what it is. the product was not even half baked, IT isn't even a FULL CAKE MIX RECIPIE its Flour mixed with Soda, mixed with Creole seasoning and then a toss of GHOST PEPPER EXTRACT. I will not lie. not my Favorite Zombies Installment. Just proves my point on why I tell my friends why I still play BO1, BO2, BO4 and COLDWAR zombies still.

[@robrisk387]

I feel the same way. I hate myself for preordering vangaurd to only have played it twice for less than 4 combined hours.

[@jharju2352]

BO4 was the final Treyarch scam™ for me, even pre-ordered it like an idiot. Talk about a hard lesson learned.

[@cm900cmcm8]

Same here, Cod Vanguard is one of my biggest regrets that I bought.

[@therookie5714]

@@jharju2352 💀

[@spencertaylor-sputtaylor3937]

I have watch both Milo and Jon’s easter egg videos, glad they’re there in case I do get around to doing it. I completely agree with you here! It’s sad. I would consider myself a diehard zombies fan. At least with Treyarch. I’ve played every map of every Treyarch zombies game. Even in some of those games like Black Ops 4 which I didn’t love I at least sunk literal days worth of time into the mode. Yet with Vanguard this has all just felt like such a mess, and honestly a mistake on Activision’s part. I’ve probably spent less than 20 hours playing Vanguard zombies. Even that might be generous. Sad thing is I don’t feel like I missed out on anything. I haven’t beat any of the EEs so far, and I don’t know that I care to change that.

[@Plaegu]

I agree 100%, I’ve played every Treyarch game since WaW, and I was a huge fan back in WaW and bo1 all the way till BO3 (bo4 less so but still no where near as bad as vanguard) then I loved CW! and sadly I feel like I’m not missing out on anything in Vanguard, I played it on a free weekend awhile back and I hated it sm. It was so boring and awful

[@mohammadmirza84]

Im just playing bo3 zombies again bro, and zombie chronicles is still class so i have plenty of good maps to keep me occupied. Oh the good old days

[@GamerGeekNerd]

Cold War to me was the better of the Zombies games recently. I went hard for the 1st 4 seasons but then it feel off. Vanguard didn’t hold my attention for more then 48 hours. I’m praying they go hard in MW2 or I’m still praying for an all Zombies CoD. No multiplayer just a full Zombies title.

[@DeadlyAlpha]

I mean... Mw2's going with Spec Ops so if you don't like modes like that...

[@anonymousperson26223]

MW2 isn't gonna have Zombies

[@gamermanzeake]

I don't think this guy's comment was saying that MW2 was going to have zombies. Just that he hopes they make the game well. Which, I'm not sold on at all. This franchise is going to the grave.

[@maybeiamepic2263]

@@gamermanzeake Vanguard selling 10 million copies: tf you mean?

[@GamerGeekNerd]

Any CoD will sell… so yeah they sold XX amount but the game is still trash. I wasn’t into WarZone… I truly enjoyed Cold War… Now with Zombies I just want them to stop treating it as an add on and just make it a full game. I have seen the growth of it 10x over and more love it. As for Multiplayer The OG CoD4/MW2/BO/BO2 are the 4 best. Take that multiplayer then the latest MW2 will be PERFECT.

[@reg1990]

One of the worst things about this year of Zombies that you didn't bring up is how Der Anfang retroactively got EVEN WORSE when Terra Maledicta came out because they added Zaballa The Deceiver (probably the most annoying enemy in Zombies history) to that map too.

[@jackmcnally8706]

To be honest, she's not the absolute worst. That probably goes to the Avagadro on Tranzit. It's basically a slightly more annoying Margwa (why do we tolerate and really like the Margwa with his invincibility but not Zaballa's anyway? Because Margwa is melee only? Has less health? I've been trying to figure it out for a while). Not fun or anything though.

[@warv6552]

@@jackmcnally8706 Honestly the Avogradro is not really that bad because you can control when he spawns. As long as you don’t end the round when there is lightning in the sky he won’t spawn. Or if you’re in an enclosed space (for example the Tunnel) he will never spawn.

[@dykishandfriends]

@@warv6552 honestly amazed that people even say the avacado is the worst zombies boss. Like huh

[@gamermanzeake]

It's literally tone deaf to say that the Avagodro is the worst zombies mini boss. You control his spawn, as well as he's easy to defeat. The entirety of vanguard special and mini boss enemies are more than annoying, and worse than anything prior.

[@jman72898]

@@jackmcnally8706 bro lightning man is not a fucking issue at all he’s one of the easiest boss zombies to deal with ever. Have you never just bought the galvaknuckles? That’s all you need to do. Like bro maybe if you said George I’d be like ehhhh okay I see it but you literally picked the dumbass lightning guy that can be punched once or twice to kill. I wish I could’ve punched the stupid mask lady once to kill her.

[@Kro-RissaVirus]

“I was gonna make an Easter egg guide but I realized nobody Cares, my chat didn’t even want me to.” Holy shit that is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard about zombies. I thought the community was divided about BO4 zombies but THIS is a whole other level of trash. I really hope zombies gets better.

[@jaxwolf438]

It's sad when you hear "thank god it's over" on a AAA game that had the mode that you loved and grew up with. I'm pretty sure everyone would've just wanted cold war to be updated throughout vanguards life cycle.

[@Jules279]

It would've been nice for Double Tap to come back and give it the ability to let you fire your normal guns indefinitely for 60 seconds with a moderately long cooldown for its max skill. We also could've had Electric Cherry and Widow's Wine come back.

[@gamermanzeake]

Electric cherry is built into elemental pop, they absolutely would never have done that. Double Tap (unless made into a field upgrade) would not have a function like you're saying here. I don't even think it would increase damage, maybe just fire rate. Why? Simple, had they added something that increased damage double (again might I add) they would've increased max health on zombies. I'll grant you I wanted to see Widows come back and Double Tap, but it probably wouldn't have been exactly as you think because CW is a different kind of game. Its already considered too easy by the sweats. I can go play five on original BO1 and get to any wave you ask. The games aren't hard. People are just insane.

[@williampatterson9087]

Worst thing for me is Vanguard actually had such good potential with it's gods, art style etc. but they just wasted it

[@BambiTrout]

I feel like it would have been received so much better if they just hadn't tried to link it to Treyarch Zombies. If they had just said from the start: "Hey, we're taking a break from Dark Aether and trying some new shit. We might steal some stuff, but this is a side project.", I feel like people would have given it a lot more leeway, and maybe people would have engaged with the new mechanics long enough for them to cobble together whatever the original plan was. Like as disappointing as this game is, I feel like if it had been openly sold as the sloppy experimental love-child of The Tortured Path and Cold War Zombies, people would have at least tolerated it as a mediocre side mode - like Exo-Zombies. But they sold it as a mainline Zombies game, and by that metric, it's so bad it drove up the sales of BO4.

[@Gaberaum]

@@BambiTrout They could literally say that they are focusing the main resources for an upcoming experience and had a team building a diferent exp for this mode. Bam, build hype for next product and keep expectations low for your present game that doesn't have the experience that people are usually expecting.

[@raycegeary9982]

The game itself is visually stunning, so sad that it sucks

[@Cat-Valentine20]

Loved the map looks and graphics

[@chillkyler]

I find it hard to believe they had a lot of plans for vanguard zombies with how incredibly lack luster it is and how they couldn’t even get spawns right in this objective mode.

[@SleezelGreezel]

0:21 I myself and i personal lover of all things zombies. I did realize how bad this game was until he said this. Because I’ve never ever tried to beat the boss in this game.

[@Timdeenter]

They really need to have another zombies game as big as bo4. It had sooo much content, I’m still not finished with it almost 4 years later

[@Jules279]

8 maps compared to 4 shitty ass ones. BO3 has fuckloads of maps counting custom maps on PC.

[@RavetsU]

I really hope some of the devs who worked on vanguard zombies would explain everything in the future, what happened and why.

[@gamermanzeake]

I hope they'd leave COD and go work elsewhere. Never want that crap again.

[@sleepy9102]

I wish they would’ve launched veruckt reborn and then shi no numa rebron. Then follow up maps with those blueprints. Vanguard would’ve been an awesome zombies experience.

[@999JWforever]

Vanguard was supposed to come out before cold war but somehow cold war zombies is way more complete

[@DHKrieg]

What I found apalling is how there's not even a proper conclusion. The story kinda hapzardly folds in on itself. Von List dies, Kortifex dies and it's over. It's a prequel, all of the gods in it get vored by the Forsaken, this somehow leads into Die Maschine, yet the connection isn't made at all. Not shown, not even heard, there's not even a black screen with a text, it's just not there. It's like it's a non-canon spin-off fan fiction. And that's how I think I'll see it, it just never happened.

[@shitzevonvolkstigen9534]

Dude can we celebrate I went a year without touching this game round of applause for me 👏 👏 👏 👏

[@benculbertson536]

Very happy that I got this on disc version, put a day into zombies, a few days in to multiplayer and finished the campaign. It was sold back to GameStop shortly after.

[@jaye7636]

Really hope they bring back the Occult setting and even Kortifex's character they felt so wasted and it has so much potential to mix demons with zombies Hell they should've made the Dark Aether area in Terra Maledicta or the boss fight area the final map, that whole area is big enough to be a whole ass map instead of green filter reskin that we got

[@PurpleColonel]

There's a bo3 mod called Zombies Plus that adds the Wonderwaffe build quest to the chronicles shi no numa, along with pack a punch, exfils and ammo boxes to every map in that game. It's FREE and has singlehandedly erased any chance I'll ever have of buying Vanguard.

[@Storm_Dev]

I think a very interesting and entertaining video idea would be to go over, if there is anything, all the cut plans, cut concepts and cut content from Vanguard Zombies. I think it would be really interesting to see if this game could have ever been good, even in concept. Love the videos by the way, keep up the great work!

[@walter7787]

There’s fuck ups and then there’s vanguard

[@sickjoeyb1503]

I can’t believe they actually hire people who put money into making those first two maps. Like who is signing off on that?? It’s wild I am so curious how they got their position and if they’re still in it.

[@michaelwhite4799]

The only thing to say is, we might have to wait two years but Fuck me Treyarch zombies in blops 5 is going to be banging.

[@DocRobin]

A small detail that also fucked this game up that I feel doesn't get mentioned enough is the always online component of it. I feel like zombies started as a couch co-op game, I remember playing split-screen BO1 zombies with my cousins all the time back in the day, it was how I knew zombies. No matter if your internet was shitty or someone else was watching Netflix on the same connection, the game was offline, so your split-screen game wasn't interrupted. In Vanguard, even the solo games are on a server. As some one who has some rough patches of internet use, the game was literally unplayable at many points. I don't know why the decided to go this route. Even though Cold War was always connected to the online services, the matches themselves were offline and ran very smooth. Overall very upset with the fact that I even bought this game. But great video Chop!

[@CalixtoGarciaIniguez1898]

I’m so glad this was the final map and end of vanguard zombies. It’s also disappointing that this is canon to the dark aether story, the prequel to Cold War zombies because it feels so disconnected from the story. It feels different and separated.

[@Skynet666officialchannel]

Canon? Story? So people actually give a fuck about the zombie storyline really??

[@gamermanzeake]

Yeah, I no joke not for one second, will consider this garbage part of anything. And due to this game, I'm seriously considering never looking at COD again. This coming from a man smart enough not to be the "Sucker born every minute" who bought this game. Imagine had I got ripped off by this game, and had to endure it. I'd be screaming for my money back on a daily basis in every email I could send to Activision. There's a few people in this comment section saying that those folks love the game. Like what? You love being ripped off? Suckers born every minute.

[@RaNgErs_Rep]

My personal opinion the story of Vanguard is actually pretty good and most of it's main story it was already in Cold War anyway on Intel

[@peytonsnyder2421]

I'm convinced VZ is only meant to be filler for the story, just something for zombies players to follow briefly until the next game.

[@RaNgErs_Rep]

@@peytonsnyder2421 yea basically all of vanagurds main important plot is on cw Intel

[@GrassThugger]

*5 days after last map comes out* “retrospective”

[@etangbose4755]

Last map is literally just the second map w a different color palette

[@blackheart0117]

"Vanguard zombies is finally behind us"... This, this puts a smile on my face

[@claritycontrol1530]

Honestly, I quite liked the potential this story had. Pretty simple to follow, unlike the mess of BO3 and BO4. It just needed 4 proper fleshed out characters and a bit more time to plan out. I also didn't particularly mind the focus on objectives, I just feel that they needed more objectives, and round-based versions of each map. But hey, that's just my hot take. I know I'll probably get crucified for it. P.S. I think zombies being in every game is actually taking its toll at this point. I've loved zombies since BO1 (then went back for WAW), but I'm suffering serious fatigue at this point, regardless of the issues with Vanguard.

[@justinholtman]

Oh good point woulda loved shino numa on Cold War

[@Beltz909]

When you think about it, shi no numa was in der ang fangg and they made terra maladicta twice, thats crazy

[@mr.rhenium3167]

Vanguard isn’t real. It never happened, we are still wondering what happened after stiches last scene in cold war

[@fierytepig155]

I think for me, once bo3 ended with revelations that's when I thought "ok, that's an ending for me with zombies" and kinda stopped caring about zombies (maybe even cod as a whole since I didn't exactly get to play past de since I was old gen and i was more zombies than mp). So when bo4, iw, ww2 zombies all happened I didn't keep up with it like I was for bo3. Although for like the past month and a half, I've been getting an itch for zombies content on KZbin mainly speedruns. I would like to know when people started "falling off" the zombies train

[@AstralApparently]

People started to leave CoD Zombies around WW2 and BO4.

[@peytonsnyder2421]

I still haven't fell off with zombies but I will if somehow the next zombies game is as bad as Vanguard.

[@alonemax2912]

I started not to care about if after BO2, then returned in Cold War to find zombies very mediocre, right now playing BO3 zombies with friends, huge nostalgia, gameplay and maps are awesome.

[@lunabolt]

If The Archon hadn't been just a reskinned Terra Maledicta I'd probably have given Vanguard a pass but, now I'm just frustrated and disappointed.

[@antogaming2075]

When retrospective and rant in the same title you know the game is going to get grilled, fried and destroyed all in one.

[@daggerkettenring]

For all of you who still preorder COD games.... Thank you for emboldening Activision to push this kind of trash out to gamers. COD has gone down in flames.

[@DaNiLY]

People are allowed to preorder. And even if they didn’t, activision still makes too much money to be stopped. Just is how it is.

[@daggerkettenring]

@@DaNiLY That kind of thinking reminds me of Fry from Futurama, "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" SMDH 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@RaNgErs_Rep]

@@daggerkettenring I agree with Call of Duty do I expect something actually really really good not really so why do I do it I'm going to buy the game anyway just for campaign I buy Call of Duty just for the campaign because at least that's always at least decent and it gives me something to play and multiplayer is good let's go if zombies is actually good let's go

[@BigDeeJ420]

I hate it when people blame fans who buy a company’s product as the reason for the product being bad. People are allowed to enjoy things and preorder whatever they want 🫤

[@dice9270]

What's funny to me is I bought this game for multiplayer lol, had fun and shi no numa reborn and archon are just little things for me as a zombies fan I guess.

[@MichaelHrusovsky]

It’s actually genuinely shocking that this game has almost been out for a year now, and I can’t even tell you what the first DLC map was, let alone ANY of them after Der Anfang. Really says a lot.

[@cakes9962]

they don't understand that cod zombies is special and was fun because of the core gameplay progression and mechanics. the horde/round system, feeling vulnerable and becoming stronger as a character, without being too OP and leaving a tiny room for mistakes and paying hard for commiting them increased the adrenaline and made classic zombies so much fun. I personally do not care that much for zombies overall in media. I just love the cod zombies as a game mode, specially when it had a plausible story prior to bo3 and was full of easter eggs and real life conspiranoic references.

[@itselizauwu]

I enjoyed the world building of the Dark Aether, fleshing out the history of the alternate dimension is quite interesting. I also like the idea of upgrading your perks and equipment in game rather than through the menus in Cold War. Other than that this game was very clearly shoehorned in with very little love from the developers

[@HARaZAC]

they have the character forever walking towards the camera a lot in new cods huh lol

[@Tiger0fDojima]

Like a majority of us, I've been playing zombies since WaW. I have always liked the simplicity of the gameplay, with the addition of lore. Black Ops 1-2 had good map variety. Black Ops 3 revamped the feeling of the classics. Black Ops 4 was more of the same, but a bit unispired. That's where it started to feel a bit lackluster. WWII was fun, but felt "off". Then Cold War built on the upgradable weapons and tools added more depth. Agruably one of my favorite zombies. Then I play Vanguared and unistalled the game after playing one game, after each new update. It was not fun, the maps felt clumsy, the mechanics were just glorified versions of Cold War, and the lore was forced. The weapons/animations are fantastic, but it's easily the worst zombies to date. I definitely agree that the foundation was the biggest problem. You can built on a bad foundation, despite how much "content" you try to stack. Good retrospective.

[@dbkwk9]

Just consider this zombies not canon to BOCW. None of its inclusion makes sense. Actually just say that about Vanguard overall

[@davidn.2555]

Rest in pieces Trashguard! You won't be missed.

[@NathanielLuke]

I have a couple of disagreements with this video. 1. Treyarch made this not this, not Sledgehammer. 2. The game engine is clearly a vast improvement from a viewer perspective.

[@mrpancake8889]

Treyarch very clearly onboarded a ton of sledgehammer employees (probably activison’s idea) and just shoved them over on a separate zombies team to work on this lmao. They slapped the treyarch name on it to get more players but in doing so just dirtied their name.

[@gamermanzeake]

Yeah there's no way this trash was made with Treyarch minds.

[@wesleyward5901]

@Gamerman Zeake You can search it up, Treyarch made the zombies. Y'know Treyarch made maps like Tranzit and Die Rise, right? They're not strangers to making bad zombies maps.

[@rashaadjohnson978]

@@wesleyward5901 treyarch had to do what sledgehammer said because it was their game

[@andym7165]

This is sort of off topic but the laser rifle they added, ex1, i think its a hint that they’re making advanced warfare 2

[@LeftysRage]

This happens to a lot companies that stagnate. They introduce different products amd features and it fails miserable because the consumer just wants something familiar that they know, and not something "brand new". This has happened to Zombies as well. Going from round based simplified survival maps to bloated and overcomplicated Easter Egg gameplay is where BO2 and BO3 went wrong. I don't ever ever want to fire up a Zombies match and have to spend 1-2 hours prepping in the map before the real gameplay starts. It is a complete waste of time and in that time I could've done 40 rounds in Kino without any of the hassle. Can't overstate how annoying EE maps are and how it has ruined the Zombies experience to a certain degree.

[@prezzeruk4054]

i was under the impression, treyarch made vanguard zombies? thats why i was so shocked at how bad it was!

[@DeadlyAlpha]

They did... But they had little to no time to develop the mode... unfortunately

[@CalixtoGarciaIniguez1898]

I literally bought this game because it had zombies developed by treyarch. Such I blind fool I was.

[@kuriankeralaIndia]

Remember that treyarch was also working on updates for cold war

[@Dclerkin17]

Der anfang had the atmosphere, if it was only round based I think I would like it. It could have followed a Der Reise style pack quest with its layout, if it was a little bigger in the buildings. They had a good thing going with the setting, they just ruined it with its gameplay

[@mrpancake8889]

I didn’t even know archon came out, I forgot it existed. Then I saw milo streaming lol

[@Skynet666officialchannel]

as long as people keep on giving them money, they will keep on doing shit like this and not care about the customer

[@Digital__25]

one thing i think you missed on is that if you look into behind the scenes of the game treyarch had barely 2 months to make zombies and the engine had no code for zombies so tthey had to build it all from the ground up

[@ProjectP.]

Goodmorning to you too buddy 😌😌

[@TrustStylezPro]

WOOOOOOOOO!!! YESSSSSS!!! FTFG!!! Un-installed Vanguard in January and have had no regrets about it

[@SnakeVenom12]

Personally I loved all the innovations made in cold war zombies like perk levels the load out system and all that and they just threw all that away for vanguard

[@lileofficial4273]

I'm not being rude when I say this or defending vangaurd at all, but this video felt very rushed (just like Der anfang lol) I don't think you should make a full on retrospective without making a script, nevermind not doing any research because there were many things blatenently incorrect. For example, when you say you don't know why they didn't just released shi no numa to begin with, that they already had the required tools to do it. That's the problem, they littlerally did not have the tools to make a legitimate experience. That's why it took them like 2 or 3 months to release a map that was already in the game, because they littlerally had to create wave mechanics and scaling, wall buys, barriers, etc. In order to create roundbase because when they were tasked to make the zombie mode they had like 1 month to do it so they just made Der anfang because that's pretty much all they had time to do and even that was cutting corners and barely making it in time.

[@bane9951]

Shi no Numa was like putting a bandage on a broken leg

[@strikeone7803]

To be honest the whole Nazi zombies concept has been done to dead in COD, not only from a gamemode perspective but structure and nothing can really save it from irrelevance if they keep rehashing it. So far the only original alternate modes we had that had us fight anything other than zombies that were legit fun in their prime and I grinded the fuck out of were MW3's survival and Ghosts' Extinction. It was fun and revolutionary when Nacht der Untoten came out after we raised the Soviet flag over the Reichstag but now it's just tiring. Doesn't help that each zombies entry becomes even harder for casuals and the maps revolve around Easter eggs and not actual SURVIVAL.

[@maybeiamepic2263]

I mean CW is like a casuals dream

[@irishvader2193]

I stuck in there for Cold War, but I dipped after a week of vanguard

[@LuvzToLol21]

I'm not exactly sure who to blame for Vanguard zombies. On one hand, this is what happens when Activision pushes their development teams to the breaking point. Black Ops Cold War was supposed to be Sledgehammer's game, but Treyarch had to step in, pick up the pieces, and make something functional out of it. And it shows with how rushed BOCW is. Outbreak, Onslaught, every map after Die Maschine was like "okay we have no time to make a big new zombies map, how can we re-use the assets we already have to make something on time?" And then, before BOCW's year of post launch content was even over, half the team was taken to work on Vanguard zombies. Again, with no time to make anything beyond an asset flip. What did Activision expect would happen? But on the other hand, what the hell was anyone at Treyarch thinking when they released Der Anfang? It's clear from the BOCW blog posts that they're listening to the community's feedback. They had Nacht's level geometry left over from BOCW, they had Shi No Numa on disk, they had tons of multiplayer maps and campaign levels they could have used. So why did they release Der Anfang, when no one was asking for it, and it didn't even have basics like an easter egg, wonder weapons or even a working pause button at launch? And why did they do it AGAIN a few months later with Terra Maledicta?

[@RaNgErs_Rep]

Because the new engine wouldn't work on zombies that's why after so much time we got shi no numa and the archon treyarch said themselves normal round based zombies wouldn't work and they aren't wrong they got pushed to work on vangaurd last minute while working on cw and cod 2024 originally 2023

[@Nanashi_dorg]

sledgehammer DID NOT (as far as i am aware) work on zombies for the game. Treyarch was forced to set aside a team (a small one from what i found) to work on zombies way late into development. they had to make EVERYTHING from the ground up as it was an unfamiliar engine to the Treyarch team. i feel like if sledgehammer worked on it from the start we would have a vastly different experience

[@SSNebula]

Hey Ch0p can you review SoulsBorne games? Demons souls, dark souls, bloodborne, sekiro, elden ring etc etc? Would love to hear your thoughts on them 💯

[@Pro112of]

When I first played Der Anfang, I clipped through the floor Within five minutes. Terra maldicta was beyond laggy at first. Shi no remastered was actually playable. And I didn’t care enough to play the archon more than once.

[@oukeith]

Vanguard makes you appreciate bo4

[@grantstegman5116]

Vanguard had such great potential with all the gods and artifacts, the trailer was actually cool and then it went all to waste

[@MobSpiderVA]

Terra Maledicta, The Archon, and Der Anfang make Infection from AW look like Der Eisendrache

[@thebigal123]

Always remember, when making a cod game with zombies in it make sure its made with quality not quantity in mind.

[@TotallyTheExpert]

Ive enjoyed every zombies game ive ever played. I still had a blast with IW, Advanced, and infinite warfare. I even love black ops 4. But my first time playing vanguard zombies left me so sick i never played it again. I still dont know how they messed up so badly.

[@rcfrp5234]

Only reason i spent so much time in Vanguard zombies (600ish hours) is for the grinding. I just loved the guns, how they felt, what you where able to do with them with adding different attachments. But i guess we'll be waiting a couple years now for another zombie game.

[@user_Z-]

0:01 WOOOOO LET'S GOOOO. Finally 😭👏

[@kaitique]

I pre ordered Vanguard after playing Cold War zombies as my first true zombies experience on my own with hopes it would be good and I was disappointed that it was a waste of money, multiplayer was the only thing that kept me with that game

[@deezyxcameron5220]

ALMOST AT HALF A MIL!

[@soggypotato5332]

It's not about if vanguard zombies was good or bad. It's about the memories we made alone the way! And all the memories from this game are horrible or tediously boring

[@friddlefries1140]

One positive is that Kortifex does look cool, better than how they made the Forsaken(the dude) look I hope we get more huge bosses but better choreographed scenes lol

[@SpeedUpThatComputer]

The only two maps that are worth playing are the final two if you haven't played the first two first. Shi no numa and the archon and shi no numa is the best one in my opinion. Two things i really don't like is the artifact ready bug and the fact we have to get tactical and lethals from things zombies drop rather than letting us choose from the start or doing it how zombies used to be where we had to get it from the box or off the wall.

[@BlergaGerg]

bro the beginning already has me laughing.

[@Jeffardy24]

When you make the full retrospective, please include a short compilation of the Play of the Game glitching out. That was such a long and funny time in the vanguard life cycle

[@superdupergaming7831]

I haven't played this game but my buddy said the full zombies experience felt like a Destiny 2 raid

[@dice9270]

That's high praise I hope

[@AiRsTrIkExXzZ]

Something that really confuses me is how call of duty Cold War was originally gonna be made by sledgehammer but then treyarch was forced to come in and take over because of some hissyfits between sledgehammer and raven?(I think it was raven) then they suddenly decide to get sledgehammer to make a game in 1 year. Why didn’t they just let them do their game just without raven. Activision literally made 2 studios drop what they were doing and pretty much make a game with 2 years of development(Cold War) and a game with 1 year of development(vanguard) instead of allowing both games to have their 3 years 🤦‍♂️

[@chutnut2493]

“You really just released a map that was made in 2008”

[@iea8943]

The feeling of opening vanguard for the first time in launch? For zombies to be this😂😂😂

[@GladiatorCollectibles]

Retrospective: it was a dumpster fire

[@Africa41]

Just now finding out vanguard had zombies

[@nuk4lear]

Der Anfang - turned one of my most hated Multiplayer Maps being Red Star into a fun map, I enjoyed Der Anfang. Terra Maledicta - liked it but wasn't as good (this is like Mauer in my op, not my favourite even tho it doesn't compare to Mauer in the slightest - what is meant is its the bottom of the tier list) Shi No Numa Rebooted - One of the best, loved this a lot Terra Maledicta II/ The Archon - Haven't played yet since I uninstalled Vanguard not long ago

[@RaNgErs_Rep]

Random but personaly maur I'm the best cw zombies map but just me

[@nuk4lear]

@@RaNgErs_Rep loads of people would disagree but my list actually goes 4. Mauer 3. Forsaken 2. Die Maschine 1. FIREBASE Z

[@RaNgErs_Rep]

@@nuk4lear I respect it yea personally it's 4. Firebaze Z I like it I don't hate it as much as others seem to Ray k was cool funny cool Easter egg mimic step is still broken lol 3. Die machine great map and cool wonder weapon just not better then 2 and 1 2. Forsaken very good whis whish Easter egg had a bit more 1. Maur it had the best and one of the most fun wonders weapon ever, and Klaus I mean who dosent love a German robot who thinks about murdering you plus the Easter egg had very cool steps like stopping the train and smashing the uranium as it ends in a nice boss fight

[@nuk4lear]

@@RaNgErs_Rep yeah I can respect that, I personally don't have hate for any maps in cold war cos they're all unique having different styles which they should but the only reason why I put mauer at the bottom is because I enjoy the other maps more and where Firebase is my favourite but the other 3 are all the same level of greatness to me

[@RaNgErs_Rep]

@@nuk4lear yea I don't hate any of the maps either

[@iRapturr]

I was really disappointed when I realized I didn’t put the Easter egg on my second try on shi no Numa lol

[@izzy-ftv]

I haven't played vanguard zombies for more than 5 hrs and my lifetime playtime in cold war zombie is 432 i played blackops 4 yesterday and that game still passes me off but it makes more sense then vanguard

[@BorderlandsBoy0]

IMO Call of Duty zombies has been done since BO3

[@aKjohn8798]

I felt that had they come out with a well thought out plan and actually had content i would have enjoyed that they tried something different. The problem is it was so half assed and not ready i felt cheated

[@MnifuzioN]

The whole zombies portion of the game is only developed by treyarch or at least mostly developed by them

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

I didn’t buy Vanguard. Was the zombies mode really that bad on a CASUAL level? Most of the gameplay I see, it seems like you can bring your own customized guns. That must be worst something, right? Like maybe people can level up weapons for Warzone?

[@gamermanzeake]

No. Casual zombies isn't what the mode needs. It needs good design and structure. Not BO3 custom map levels of crap, which is what this game offers. In fact I'd say even less than that. There are custom maps made by singular men, who are better in scope than this.

[@CallOfDutyBlackOpsJB]

Played it once never wanna play it again its obvious that these new games have no passion and creativity nothing beats bo3 zombies

[@woody7948]

this video is more entertaining than the entirely of vanguard

[@Ehrenfried2740]

It wasn't the developers fault, this failure of a gams goes to the producer stage and higher ups. Sledgehammer and 3Arc are good developers but if you are restrained, chained to orders from higher ups... Aa said before, the upgrade perk system is the same as in cold war, the only difference is, the perks are temporarily not like cold war instant. This zombie experience as kind of outbreak wouldve been much better.

[@gamermanzeake]

Nah. It goes to both. I'm pretty well tired of this argument. Shi No Numa reborn is proof that on this system they could've made better maps.

[@Ehrenfried2740]

@@gamermanzeake yes they could, but were they allowed to? Or were all resources put towards MW2 or the next zombie stand alone game? Sure the game develoing studio names where on this game, but my guess is the "b team" was making the game and the "A team" was making the new games. Same as we all know today that the shitty MW3 was made by Sledgehammer not IW.

[@maybeiamepic2263]

Sledgehammer has done 1 good thing and it was being a support developer for MW3. Not the lead dev, a support dev. Their other games have all been flops. They're trash devs. They essentially took the movement mechanics from MW and just made them worse.

[@Ehrenfried2740]

@@maybeiamepic2263 a little history lesson: there was a huge payment dispute between activision and IW back in the middle of MW3 Development and almost 90% of IW went out of the door, and activision kept it secret so it wouldn't hurt the sales and reputation CoD had back then and the "junior devs" of the new assembled shg went to develop the rewt of MW3 and they went safe and secure, no risks, just basics on the game. And the best 50 devs who left activision booted up a new studio called Respawn, who made the great titanfall. Funny sidenote, the old IW were the developers of the Medal of Honor series back in the days...

[@FlareBlitzed]

A game so bad that it has had two retrospectives done by our boy Ch0pper. 😂

[@justinholtman]

And der anfang is just an mp map lol at night

[@are_you_f_serious]

Hehe, Dör Anfäng. 😂 "Der" is like "There" and "Anfang" is like .. hmm, there is no good comparison. 🤔

[@chrisupton6190]

This game could’ve been waw reboot we needed so bad just like the reboot of black ops with Cold War and mw19 with mw series

[@nuk4lear]

I was just interested in how Von List was betrayed by Kortifex

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

I had fun with the shi no numa remake and that’s about it