CALLAWAY EPIC FLASH DRIVER

[@samuelalbarano3152]

As a software engineer who has developed genetic algorithms for optimization I can see a massive potential here for customization. To your point about delivery specific COG delivery and such it should be possible to take into account. I can imagine various levels of customization, the first level being general optimized for performance with a standard delivery, another level optimized for ranges of deliveries ( path, AOA, strike location), and finally for big $$ full optimization for your personal numbers where you provide a measured data set of your actual swing and they optimize a face just for you! Really could be a whole new world of fitting and customization.

[@stephenshupert5534]

Love the people that complain about drivers coming out too often.... You don’t have to buy them and probably shouldn’t. It’s never a bad thing to have more options.

[@runningriot6399]

Wait so you’re saying people shouldn’t buy a new driver every year? Great advice

[@genotone]

It works on the assumption that everyone went out and purchased a 2018 driver.

[@WhiteBrosWorkout]

Still playing a SLDR. Will probably change it out this year for a 2-3 year old driver for about 100-150$ in Canada! Keep the new ones coming they make the older models cheaper

[@stevenc9207]

If people didn’t buy them, they’d release them slower. So clearly, people are buying them like crazy

[@SolomonLi]

YES!!! Mark, you're the only KZbin reviewer with enough sense and humor to make the connection with Flash Gordon. Seriously!!! I can't get Freddie Mercury's voice out of my head now... I'm sure Coach's is on the way... Can't wait for you to shout it after every swing for the next year.

[@gavinwilliams3684]

Won't be long before they price the average Joe out the market for brand new equipment it's about time that most golfer stick with what they have for another year then maybe sales will fall and then make the manufacturer have a rethink on price driver price has doubled in the last 4 year I would think most people's disposal income has not doubled in that time and the marketing every year is hilarious

[@alanfairhurst3033]

For 2 -3 yards you might as well buy the 'old' model and save a fortune

[@lewis9274]

They are already over priced & they don’t make much difference!

[@daveb5211]

Particularly that draw/fade weight. Really makes virtually no difference

[@eddiex72]

Another great video. I really enjoy the two of you together. About the Epic and Rouge confusion, Callaway shared last year that Rouge was it's own line. There is the Epic Line and the Rouge Line of drivers. I'm not sure I understand the confusion. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Rouge driver next season. Mizuno has a JPX line and an MP line, I don't see a difference. Thanks for all of the time and hard work spent in creating the content for us.

[@JeremyLevis]

Dynamic sweet spot. Didn't know that before. Brilliant.

[@mikewilliams3376]

Mark, I love all your videos, but I watch you for golf and not math. 4mm lateral and 3mm vertical is not 7mm from the origin point, which you're using as the center. Pythagorean theorem tells us that the square of the length of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of squares of the lengths of other two sides of the right-angled triangle. It other words, it's 5mm away and not 7 mm. Again, love the video's, keep up the great work!

[@simonrhys]

Bruuuhhh!! That blew my mind when you explained the sweet spot changes depending on delivery!! Everyday's a school day! Cheers for the content as always!

[@sg5733]

Ive just got my first hcp of 54 and ordered an epic flash sub zero. Cant wait to bomb it 💣💣

[@scotthudson1048]

I like how Dan color coordinated his pull over with the club! He’s so stylin. Great review guys

[@josey777cat]

The sacred centre hit. Doesn't scream replace my old Epic GBB. Looks nice though.

[@danielknott7447]

I love it when new clubs come out. it means I can get something just as good for half price from the year before.

[@ayjie6829]

3 years on and i get this haha. All the same same

[@jeffysgolfgame7855]

This was an EPIC vid Mark. Love that you always real talk strike and Dynamic CG

[@davidabrial5328]

Distance to center is SquareRoot( Square(height) + Square(width)). Around 25mm, not 33 with 23 toe and 10 high ;). Great vid !

[@trijam90]

Normally not a fan of slightly tinny sound but that sounds so good. Will look forward to testing this!

[@christopherlafreniere7141]

Greatest movie and sound track of all time!

[@brizzyboy4234]

This is why I game Titleist. So I don't have to feel bad every year that something new has come out. The head to heads will show no difference between ball speeds and the dispersions will come down to strike. Just some new "flashy" colors and 500 bucks.

[@genotone]

So with titleist you just wait an extra year for the same thing 😂

[@StevenAlwine]

So you game Titleist because they offer you fewer options less often? Odd flex, but OK.

[@davidwharton6333]

Another good review Mark, geometric centre great explanation of how we all hit a different point on the club!

[@indydawson]

We don't need a new driver every year but the companies do. They are in a competitive environment in which new club releases serve to keep them relevant. Why do car companies release new cars every year, or singers new albums, or coke make a coke ZERO. Okay, admittedly that last entry doesn't support my point but you get it. The important thing is to keep your head while others are losing theirs. When I update my driver and I do so every eight to ten years, I simply buy last years latest and greatest model. My last purchase, made in spring of 2018, was a used TM M2 from 2016. Improved my distance by about ten yards and appears to be more forgiving plus I like its sound. I updated my whole bag in 2018, here is the breakdown: 2016 TM Rsi1 irons 437.99 M2 Driver 207.98 M2 3 wood 110.48 M2 5 wood 178 Putter 172 5 hybrid 100.48 2 headcovers 25.72 Clubs sold -292.35 Total out-of-pocket 940.3 I'm playing off a 20.7 handicap so clearly, my money needs to go towards physical fitness and lessons.

[@adranja]

Great review as always. Thanks for adding the distance from geometric center. I found that fascinating and look forward to that upcoming video. Hopefully I'll understand how to find my center and start reaching my #262.

[@richardjames5700]

Am a Callaway fan and I like the look and sound of this one - going to give it a go - do agree with the flooding the market comments though but also understand the marketing strategy of the manufacturers who are in it to make money!

[@andrewjgordon1372]

Great vlog Mark and Dan, info is really very interesting it wasn,t till I started watching you Mark that I started working out where I was striking the ball on the face, before that I use to wander up and just hit it?.....🤤...keep up the great work..

[@PaisleyTheCat]

Good review chaps. Not keen on the name Flash and can't honestly say I'd be tempted over Gmax or TS, and I love my Callaway irons and wedges. Loved the sweet spot recap. So much knowledge Mark. You've got the perfect hair cut for a big-brained comic book hero.

[@jeffplatt6646]

Let me guess... 262?

[@billwallenstein3387]

Callaway fan indeed currently gaming the XR16 driver and fairway woods and love them. Will definitely give the new Epics a try. I did like the feel of the original Epic driver just to close a release to my XR’s.

[@timaust1207]

really like the Dan and mark reviews, such great content as always

[@njaysee]

I see now that the geometric centre isnt really the sweetspot for the driver. No wonder i always feel like im hitting it better same as where you are showing. Now it makes more sense.Thank you for clearing it up. Been a mystery to me for years.. I thought i was doing something wrong..

[@jaymorin7131]

My Epic has an additional weight in the front. Love the club and adjustaility. Golfworks has additional weights which I got to change things some.

[@Stavtok]

Love the outside sound on that one. If I had the money for a brand new driver would probably go that over the TS3.

[@steveforman8560]

Good club, didn’t expect anything else really. Good to see Dan getting it up too. 👍⛳️🏌️

[@ThriveCareSolutions]

Flash aahhhhhh! :) :) Off to Callaway for a Driver fitting in the next month or so, so very excited to see this!!! Great video and really interesting to hear about the off-centre strikes and look forward to the video on that! Not such a simple topic.

[@NCsBiggestCowboysFan]

Hey Mark, so i was previously watching Brodie Smith at Brodie Smith golf here on youtube, and he was asking us followers who he would like us to see him do a video with, and i mentioned your name. He just finished a video with a round of golf with John Rahm, and it was a great video. Let's make it happen!!

[@nicholastugwell6831]

Great review from two lovely boys. Still using my epic sub zero from two years ago. It'll take a lot to move on from that. Super work with the new measurements display on screen. Look really good. Be interesting to see what sub zero does. Cheers bruh

[@BIGOGGIEGOLF]

Put it in my hands Mark and I will tell you if it’s any good and worth the expensive IMO. High handicapper ready to hit and miss hit it. A true test of a Driver for an everyday fun golfer.

[@rebeccabigue3141]

A ripple effect I love it so now its official Callaway uses ruffles chips technologies (sorry coach prawnies didnt make the cut) and TM uses pringles chips technologies....it will most likely fix Coach 75yrds offline right shot!!

[@Mark-xd1xo]

Rebecca Bigue it won’t help coach escape hitting every tree down the fairway, or going right into the water 😂

[@richardt3744]

You're nice and cheery Mark!! Happy New Year!!

[@colinmunro3707]

Coach Lockey has a semi with this new introduction to his bag!😀

[@barrysmith7291]

Nice one mark , I enjoy your club testing with dan , a honest review of the product 👍

[@nilsfinkelmeier7113]

Mark, if you have 10 mm high and 20 mm towards the toe, it is not 30 mm off center! You must look at the diagonal to determine the distance to the geometrical center of the face. so in the case I just described ti would be 22 mm from the center. (a2 + b2 = c2). Best regards! Nils

[@bradgarrett9427]

Another great video gentlemen. I really like the format. Any chance we’re going to see you all test the new 2019 Apex & Apex Pro irons from Callaway? I’m up for new irons this year and always gathering data for a short list for my fitting. Cheers.

[@michaelbrewer7389]

Pythagoras Mark! 4mm heel and 3m low is 5mm from centre!

[@ml9316]

That was going to be my comment 🤣

[@lesblair1775]

Always love the videos. Please do off center hits video, soon!!!! I trust your opinion and I'm on board with your points on this.

[@MrGatski]

Loving the tunes and the review well done as always

[@jamedonovan3555]

For all you folks out there concerned about Callaway release cycle, you're in luck! They are coming out with a new brand for you called "Werther's Original". If you sign up, you get a persimmon wood, a mashie and 2 balata balls. Coinciding with every Callaway driver release, they send you a custom pair of knickers and argyle socks; each iron release a driving cap. Act now and you'll get a customized "GET OFF MY LAWN" sign.

[@rmkep]

Nice review Mark/Dan. Trust you guys ... Been gaming GGB Epic for a couple of years now. Bought and returned the Rogue as I didn't like the sound/feel of that club although I am using and like the Rogue strong 13° 3 wood and 17° 4 wood. This might be worth a try next fall when they're available on Callaway Pre. Best (only?) manufacturers club exchange site ever.

[@richardt3744]

Funny how you and Rick Shiels have the opposite opinion on the sound. I tend to like the Callaway sound.

[@briandevitt6903]

Won't be long now until we see Coach flashing on the course..............subs will break the 300K mark if that happens.

[@jray7577]

Great Vid, need to compare the numbers to your current drivers you guys are Rocking ...

[@Toemazz.R]

Hi Mark, when you say 3mm low and 4mm heel it’s not actually 7mm away from the geometric centre. Using Pythagoras it’s actually 5mm. Sorry for being a bit pernickety 🙈 love your videos #BombBall #ToeShank

[@MarkCrossfield]

That’s cool

[@mchristopher4803]

Mark I suggest Coach Lockey testing this flash driver as he is loyal to only Callaway , it appears just like old epic driver

[@peterjones1092]

With the 10mm high and 23mm toe strike being 25mm from centre, 5 times further from centre than the heel strike. Not sure the significance of this but it wasn’t 5 times a worse strike 🤷‍♂️

[@Toemazz.R]

Peter Jones as Mark mentioned in the video because of his optimal attack angle and path, the higher toe strike is the sweetspot for him so instead of a worse strike it’s actually probably better compared to being 5 times worse (for him) 👍🏽

[@peterjones1092]

Thomas Reaney I understand how it works just highlighting that a strike in math terms that is 5 times worse isn’t in real life. Therefore not sure how the manufacturers can claim what they do.

[@martcoombs9031]

more than happy to see new clubs coming out.... enjoy reading about them... but by no means am i gonna go straight out and spend big money on a driver.... so dont see the problem...

[@ryanbarnett3002]

Get up Mark!

[@henrickemmerson4140]

Ignoring that a new driver every year is a little annoying I do like that Callaway are trying to improve by using a new way of building their clubs. The differences year on year are always very small but the point is that if you tweak every year then over a few years you get improvements. The brands that release drivers less often are also often the less innovative as they take that extra time to release a more complete product but you wonder if there weren't brands like Callaway or TM pushing everything (marketing as much as tech) then would equipment overall be as good as it is now.

[@pittgolfer1379]

We have all been Epically flashed. Thanks brah!

[@steveh4661]

Really interesting video Mark. Luv digesting the numbers and your thoughts/opinions. I’ve had the epic and the rogue but after recent testing including gaming time,, the TS3 won for consistency of ball strike and shape of shot. PS are your matches coming back with the tour pros. Loved those 👍🏻👌

[@k-nickDTX]

I purchased a 2017 GBB Epic from the clearance rack at my local big box store a couple of months ago. While this club seems to have improved performance, it's not nearly enough to justify the massive price tag of upgrading, especially as a mid-to-high handicapper who won't really see any difference in performance.

[@michaelbrewer7389]

Wow! I'm psychic....literally was thinking Paul Broadhurst seconds before you mentioned him!

[@twinkedits8095]

Norwich city fans will love it

[@davidfinn9828]

Super review lads love the coments on hot spots in relation to angle of attack and face to path i so get this thats why i wont be changing from my tm m4 draw x stiff shaft 🤙🤙

[@MrOitoyboy]

I agree with other comments. Do we really need a new driver every year from these companies? Maybe if they brought one out say, every two years, they’d spend less on R&D and marketing and they wouldn’t cost nearly £500!! Just a mull. Keep up the good work chaps 👍

[@NovaScene]

That's the issue, the marketing works and people buy these every year. And golfers are rich, they want the new stuff. Be smart and shop in the fall or early winter and save money.

[@CheddarTeddy]

YOU don’t need or want a new driver every year but there are loads of people that do. Callaway is selling tons of drivers year over year. They must be doing something right

[@ericbriggs7383]

I actually like the 2 different models that theyre putting out. If they keep developing each one and releasing them on alternating years they could start trying different concepts with each one and see what sticks.

[@bdeheton6445]

Don't tell anyone, but this new “Flash Face” design is actually the result of Callaway's new Supercomputer having a meltdown after more than 15,000 unsuccessful attempts at legally getting around the USGA restrictions on CT. The AI finally threw in the towel and spit out a random puddle of molten metal just so it could go back to playing Fortnite…

[@stevoislookingforgolfballs8046]

😂

[@rayblackman8069]

Looks like they just took a cast of someone's ear to me.

[@Spawll3]

Those markers at the top are never something you look straight down on when you swing so from your eye line, they are always off center. I am still using the XR16 as I just don't buy clubs that often and it works just fine. I definitely don't see enough of a performance increase to justify the spend (for my income).

[@sirchdj]

XR16 still a great club, I am gaming it still too

[@mattfrench6393]

Don't mean to be a math nerd but the distance from the centre of the club is 5mm and 25.07mm respectively (Pythagoras' theory). Point still stands, one was way further away than the other! Top video brah 🤙

[@carllong9764]

Very informative vid guys. Love the look of the Flash, not too keen on the price considering how much more/less it will give me.

[@flipside1974]

Great review Mark. I am liking the sound more than the Rogue.

[@jonathanthomason7896]

Great looking club. It's the Epic 2.0. Wonder what you'd get if you had a jailbreak/injected speed foam/vortex driver? My guess is 262. I think people miss the point when you mention effective CG. That's why you've got to play the strike game. Sweet spot is just as dynamic as the game itself.

[@olispencer3272]

Looking forward to a coach Flash in a vlog 🤣 great review mark , looking forward to the apex iron review.

[@matthewcroad7218]

Gordon's Alive !!!!!!!!Lovely looking club, but is it just another excuse to spend money when we don't need to .Mark I have a question for you.What do you think about using a head cam when giving us these brilliant coaching and review videos. Just to help us minions with visualisation of setup and swing paths.Some of us need an experts viewCheers Bruh

[@chrisrichardson5309]

great video always love your insite . happened to notice as well that you are no longer rocking the UA bra...

[@willballard7490]

@markcrossfield just a brilliant review again. With drivers the way they are today what year do you believe drivers have “peaked”?

[@GodandBrooksFallsbears]

Would need a TS3 comparison because its going to take a lot of difference for me to change

[@324jbutler]

Review your right triangle trig MARK if your two legs of a triangle are 23mm and 10mm the hypotenuse is NOT 33mm. A^2 + B^2 = C^2 so 23^2+10^2 = 25.07 mm from center on straight line on that hit.

[@mchristopher4803]

Well guys the crown remind me of FT tour Callaway release in the past.

[@ScottDreyfus]

Rogue Sz is not leaving the bag anytime soon. I'm going to see the new gear in a few weeks at the pga show. I'm not super excited about many new products as some are already out. I've switched to the new rtx4 wedges and probably the only change this year will be a fresh set of irons.

[@caseyturnbaugh9484]

The USGA and R&A regulate COR in golf clubs to prevent manufacturers from making golf clubs that totally overwhelm golf courses with distance. The current COR limit in golf clubs is 0.830. Any club with a COR measuring higher than .830 is ruled non-conforming. The terms "coefficient of restitution" and "COR" came into the mainstream golf lexicon as ultra-thin-faced drivers began to proliferate in the early 2000s. An effect of the thin faces is known as the "spring-like effect" or "trampoline effect": The face of the driver depresses as the ball is struck, then rebounds, providing a little extra oomph to the shot. A driver that exhibits this property will have a very high COR. However, the governing bodies no longer use COR to regulate drivers-they instead use something called "characteristic time" or "CT." COR and CT measurements do track one another, however. This fact, combined with the fact that manufacturers all build drivers to max out the permitted amount of COR, has caused the term to lose some of its relevance. But fairway woods, hybrids, and irons are still regulated using COR measurements. In fact there are no new drivers and never will be any new drivers from anyone that will top what is out there now in terms of face hotness and off center hit forgiveness because every company has been at the limit for these performance factors for several years now.

[@paulwags662]

Not true when it comes to forgiveness. That is what they are all aiming for since as you sad COR is set. So the great frontier be is distance/ direction retention on off center hits which is what they ate focusing on.

[@caseyturnbaugh9484]

So you are paying 500 plus for marginal off center hit forgiveness.

[@rodneymounsey4168]

Still playing the old epic and love everything about it! Comforting to know that when I feel the need to drop another squilion dollars on a driver flash is there to help me?

[@marleynajak943]

Out with my epic in with the flash

[@djones1304]

amazing coincidence that Callaway and TM both release drivers at the same price bracket. and 100 more than last year. Its almost like they collaborated on pricing the crap out of golfers.

[@thombendtsen399]

Looks like you got up, Dan!

[@MarkCrossfield]

Haha indeed

[@outworkyouschiffert2685]

So I like re-watching old videos. I just traded in my M5 for this flash driver after seeing a massive difference in control. Now, talking about the AI technology of the Flash Face, wouldn't you say, after seeing the backside of the face, this is an actual twist face, supplemented with Jailbreak technology and not what Taylormade is advertising in their twist face technology?

[@robbiles]

No doubt will be a big seller on the back of the original. Dan seemed to like it. I hope that doesn't mean that Granddads going to be flashing in public now.

[@wotsitoscar]

Massive Callaway fan, but probably won't test as I'm still working my Big Bertha Fusion driver pretty well 🤓

[@Christian-mj4kw]

Guess im not the only one who wants to see a test of the new Cobra King F9 driver! Isn't it possible to give it a hit and have an independent look on ...?

[@johnevs13]

Lovely shoes Mark

[@wayneallin]

@mark what was the difference in distance between the monitor and on the course? It looks like a great club.

[@mikecook8059]

Since you gamed the original Epic, would you say it is worth upgrading to??? Great informational video!

[@Shippey-rg6wm]

What an epic flasher !!!!!

[@TXchadTX]

Mark, you should do FJ shoes and apparel reviews

[@russellfothergill9082]

Mark, if your path is to the left how is your ‘sweetspot’ High toe. I would expect it to be high heel for a ‘seeker’

[@MikeDoba]

Cant wait for that off center hit video.. Hurry up will ya

[@rsenior7140]

Skipped the Rogue because I didn't like the sound. This is a nice upgrade from the original Epic.

[@Danielsan500]

Finally a Proper review

[@AUSSIEGOLFREVIEWER]

Getting up Dan... On the launch monitor only?

[@sirchdj]

Thoughts on Callaway getting rid of the speed step on the crown? Is this basically an admission by Callaway that it was not actually effective? Seems odd to omit a feature which was a big selling point for them for the last 2 years

[@alanwaterworth6464]

Will "FLASH" save Coach though, that is the question ;)

[@jaybyrne4562]

Good review, decent club, GASH name! Wonder if they're going to bring out new models on alternate years? Epic this year, Rogue next etc. That way still bringing new clubs each year, but the individual named club is replaced every two years? Possibly sneaky, clever marketing!

[@marklockhart8517]

Saved everyone of us................but will it save coach!!

[@jeanmariengalula7993]

😂😂😂 Flash! ........He saved everyone of us! CLASSIC

[@PicklePilot]

If it’s good it’s good, but I can’t stand the green. Liked the Rogue blue. Of course I don’t play any Callaway anymore, so doesn’t really matter does it? Good review 👍🏻

[@mynameismark25]

looking forward to Coach wearing an Epic Flash cap from now on then haha