Caller: "This guy I met on a Christian dating site is a Jehovah's Witness"

[@byronstander5210]

As former JW, I can confirm that in my old congregation, young brothers were always joking about converting attractive women, either from work or ones they met in the field. Some were more serious about it than others, but when you're in a cult with a finite amount of members, not all of whom might be attractive, single, or even interested in you, many do start looking outside the religion for mates and try to justify it in their heads that they're only interested in helping the person get to know Jehovah, when in reality the whole thing is a completely selfish act, and as Lloyd mentioned, goes against their own religious teachings. This guy is playing you big time and all for his own benefit and satisfaction. In his mind, you will never be worthy enough for him to pursue a relationship with or introduce to his family and friends until you convert to his religion, and if you never do, then just like the dating site that he wasn't supposed to be on, so too, you will just be his dirty little secret that he'll keep to himself until he meets a JW sister and moves on with his life. Sorry, don't mean to be harsh, but JW men can be savage.

[@symone3113]

@ Byron Stander wow! you wrapped up how the brothers in the cult are and to be honest that’s how I was “brought into the religion”… I met my ex husband, he introduced me to a sister to study the Bible with, I got baptized and we got married.. (almost didn’t because of the confusion one sister caused)….BAM!!! I was always considered to be “worldly” to the lonely/desperate for a man “sisters” in the Borg.. the brothers play with the single sisters by making think they’re interested then all of a sudden they find an “outsider” from another congregation or a worldly women…..

[@starbrite1121]

@@symone3113 true, I once overheard my daughters' jw guy friend say he saw nothing wrong by "talking to 4 girls at the same time, flirting" until he got more "serious" or sure with one of them... like what?? he was in his 20's and was appointed as MS, several months later he got that 'privilege' title removed. They ALL have a double life, Really this 2.0 jw is a hotter mess.

[@symone3113]

@@starbrite1121 😜 True Dat…

[@Ava2969ny]

@Byron Stander -- you are so right in your classification of young brothers; I learned the hard way. This girl should run for her life and never look back.

[@HL-vr1vs]

It is similar to the Arias/Alexander incident. The worldly Jodi is beautiful, intelligent, articulate, passionate and compatible with him on every level but the spiritual. Even when she joined his religion, he put her below his sister-wives/friends. So you are right, she should run like .ell.

[@whorablereligion]

Dear caller : he’s not worth it.

[@reganowens5760]

He’s probably counting these conversations as hours toward his pioneering..!! Very clever !! 🤔

[@brandoncostea2254]

I was thinking that too.. 🤣

[@upstream0564]

😂😂😂

[@calloganvoyaterre]

The great thing about this channel is that despite your not believing in any particular religion, you don't make anyone feel stupid or feel like they're being called out as being stupid for believing in religion. Your conversations with the various people about their religions are intelligent and designed simply to make people think rather than to catch them in a complete 'gotcha'. In my opinion, anyway. You're respectful of people's belief rather than aiming to tear them down for it. I think that's why you appeal to both the religious and non-religious alike whether or not you or someone else agrees on any particular thing.

[@LloydEvans]

Thanks so much for those kind words Callogan. Respect for people of all backgrounds, religious and non-religious, is definitely what I'm aiming for! 🙂

[@nickit7655]

Agreed. Some of the commenters are not so gracious lol

[@barbdowns1]

My gosh - he can’t be all that strongly indoctrinated if he’s on a dating site. The elders would really give him a “talking to” if they knew. My impulse is to tell this poor woman to RUN away from this guy. This guy sounds like nothing but trouble.

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

POMIs are the worse. Poor girl has no idea what she's getting into.

[@tamaradobson5146]

Oh my goodness...there are sooo many things about this situation, I wouldn't even know where to start. But my personal opinion is, don't walk, run. In the opposite direction.

[@MidnightAndLuna]

Wouldn’t it be insane if that’s how they’re witnessing now? By joining dating sites. I doubt that’s it, but nothing surprises me anymore

[@barbdowns1]

@@MidnightAndLuna That’s a horrifying *possibility*. I wouldn’t find it entirely implausible to hear someone decided to try that - they were proselytizing in mortuary websites by adding comments to memorial posts for folks who’d died just a few years back. 😳

[@thetruthk5138]

Let's be honest all he is trying to do is put her on the straight and narrow. Wait a minute that might be something else .

[@Peekaboo-Kitty]

My advice: END the relationship. He is just recruiting you.

[@freddyray6805]

I know this type of guy. Probably doesn't like the women in his congregation, is lazy to travel, is one of the lads and fancys he can get a cute "wordly" Christian that can take to the hall , impregnate and give their children to the org.

[@naomiail1534]

Best reply ever ❤✌

[@Peekaboo-Kitty]

@@naomiail1534 Thank you!

[@Lia-rq5mj]

Hello, does that mean he’s only looking for people to join the organisation and he has no genuine interest in the girl? I’m going through something similar 😅

[@Peekaboo-Kitty]

@@Lia-rq5mj If he is genuinely interested in you then it wouldn't matter what Religion you are. Test him. Tell him you're not becoming a JW and see what happens! If he drops you like a hot potato then you will know he was only recruiting.

[@awakenedratherlatethanneve3896]

Run like hell and never look back! 🏃‍♀️

[@nickit7655]

I appreciate that Lloyd wasn’t judgmental of the fact that this caller also considers herself a Christian. He gave her an answer without making fun of her.

[@ihatexsand2956]

goes on Christian dating site to find love, spends entire time arguing/trying to convert each other xD

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

Exactly.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

Really I wouldn't expect anything different. The first mistake was going to a Christian dating site

[@thetruthk5138]

Probably pioneer on those hours great news ticked another box .

[@Petemonster62]

@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite - She may also have met a member of a different Trinitarian denomination who would have insisted that her beliefs are wrong!

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

@@Petemonster62 yeah really it's not like there's hundreds of different denominations oh wait there are

[@luan.assis2020]

The witnesses found new territory.

[@deejay1216]

😂😂

[@stargazer1789]

Even if the caller entered into a study or even a romantic relationship with this guy, they would have to lie about how they met. There is no way he could tell anyone in his congregation that they met on a dating site, esp. one that had members from 'false religions' . Is he prepared to lie to them and would she go along with it? There are so many red flags here and this lovely caller should just run .

[@blueoceanic]

I was thinking the exact same thing. The caller should ask that question what Lloyd said. If that guy shuts down and can't be honest with her, she should end it with him point blank.

[@stargazer1789]

@@blueoceanic Doesn't that show just how much control the elders have. It's not healthy at all.

[@blueoceanic]

@@stargazer1789 In that mindset of a witness, you didn't think like that. Particular if you took it seriously and brought up by birth also, you thought the rules were for you own good despite how you thought or felt.

[@ShoNuffSoulBro1]

She needs to HEAD FOR ZEE HILLS ! ! 😱😱😱 😂

[@henrim9348]

If he can convert her over, shouldn't the elders be happy to have turn a worldly person a JW? Does it matter where she was recruited from?

[@LoXena]

Dating websites aren't allowed for Jw's but as there's not many young people anymore they have to find a way 🤣

[@Ballykeith]

I'm sure I heard of a JW dating site - obviously unofficial however.

[@bobbielee9250]

I have said this before . I am a Christian , and live my life that way. I never find you to be disrespectful. I would say , if you already know he's a witness... usually , he will always feel that way. People in that religion truly won't change overnight . That is one of the hardest cults to leave .

[@cherylseebreth328]

News flash caller! Your jw friend does not think you are a christian. You are a member of Christendom.Has he not said that to you?

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

Exactly. He has no respect for you. Only "future conditional" respect.

[@bgramirez966]

And Jehovah is going to destroy you if you don't become a JW

[@Itsme-jv4cd]

It's better to just leave than to expect someone else to change . He shouldn't expect her to change her beliefs either .

[@mvvlm-22]

My father married a non-witness months after he got baptised (he got engaged before the baptism) and now my mother is a JW. I was present there, they had been married for just under 7 years at that point. I’m 12 now and leaving asap. You’ve woken me up, and I thank you for that.

[@coriolisjones9156]

Did he mistake "dating site" for "target rich recruiting oppertunity"?

[@Peekaboo-Kitty]

Sounds like they are getting "desperate", LOL!

[@MJBsays]

That was my first thought too. Probably signed up to recruit not to date

[@wolfie8012]

And he's prob counting time too 😂

[@MJBsays]

@@wolfie8012 definitely. I would have 😂

[@outsidethebox704]

I always enjoy listening to Lloyd’s answers on the questions left on speakpipe. Lloyd isn’t judgmental, is balancing and gives sound advise to them who ask questions. Well done Lloyd and thanks for having such an informative channel.

[@Eric_01]

This is not surprising at all. I've personally known several brothers that made it a practice to be constantly trying to recruit "from the world" when looking for a relationship. I don't blame them, on one hand, because the selection pool within a circuit is pure shit. However, it becomes extremely transparent how their faith and belief is structured when people simply learn the ways around the technicalities. I knew a brother, we were actually business partners for several years, who recruited a wife from the outside by converting her. FOUR TIMES. That's right, someone explain to me how a baptized brother can be on his fourth wife before the age of 40, all recruits, and never be disfellowshipped or publicly reproved. He may have faded by now, I haven't seen him in years, because ironically, my own disfellowshipping was somehow a problem, even though the last conversation we did have, as he was between wives, was his invitation to attend a Playboy-sponsored event with him and to overhear a phone conversation with a girl who said as soon as she answered the phone, "not again tonight, you tore up my p*$$y last night." I will never understand. I'm pretty sure he enjoyed using "turning them" as as big of a manipulation tool as the society does. If he can pick any girl he wants from a night club, convince her to join his religion against the pleas of her family, well, he's got full control of the person. Ironically, with each divorce, the exes never stayed with the religion. None of them.

[@Pommy1958]

My cynical thought is that this guy is using the dating site (and, possibly, more than one) as his personal territory and is counting it as "time". Or... perhaps that will jusr be the excuse he uses in a Judicial meeting, if he gets caught?

[@paulhyde1834]

I've learned so much from your channel (and other similar ones) that I never knew when I was 'in'. I ike and asppreciate being able to look in on JW broadcasting and conventions etc., etc. without getting 'involved' again! Tyhank you Lloyd

[@outtadarkness1970]

What was amazing to me is her pastor did not immediately realize she got this information from a Jehovah's Witness. I find it far less surprising that she didn't recognize that he is a JW.

[@eleni1004]

That seemed strange to me too (her minister who did not realised she was talking to a JW). However, maybe this lovely caller did not share all the information to her minister, maybe she did not want to share with him she was on a dating site, so she just asked the minister something like "who or what is Jehovah". Still, I do not consider the minister's response complete or even correct but somehow it would explain why he did not tell her she was talking to a JW. Besides, I do not think any other Christian domination uses the "Jehovah". It's kind of a brand name for the specific cult.

[@hotandsoursoup2664]

Funny thing yesterday the Spanish witnesses knocked on my door and I told them I speak very little Spanish so they gave me the little JW card with the QR code and said if I ever wanted to talk about the Bible that I could add reach out to them there in my area a lot. I’ve only received letters from them in the mail and never responded my mom is a JW but in active. My brother is a job at JW but I’m not sure if he was ever Disfellowshipped because he joined the Marines. I told my family if they come to the door we are not interested, but if they wanted to learn, they can have the option, but they said no. Growing up in that religion deprive me of so much but also gave me a great foundation in public speaking.

[@kawaii-pigeon]

Lady. Get out while you can. You don't have to fix him. He's not a worthwhile diy project. You can do better 🥺

[@tomsheppard378]

Probably best she leaves him, he doesn't want to change his mind

[@dgrdave3161]

My dad just died last month, and it's tough because he and my mom are such strong believers in the faith and I and most of my other sib's have left the JW or any religious affiliate. I am a skeptic. It's really hard because I know how much pain my mom is in and trying to comfort her is tough because of her strong faith in the Jehovah's witness religion.

[@symone3113]

@Dgr Dave I’m sorry for your loss.. the cults principles go very deep in these members. Just be there for her. She believes only JWs knows what she’s going through not non JWs… hang in there.. 💕

[@dgrdave3161]

@@symone3113 Yes, the doctrine that they have brainwashed into peoples minds are deep. It took me a long time to understand how ridiculous they are. But they are not the only ones

[@anthonyabreu6897]

Great show. I hope she takes your advice

[@richardlee2642]

"An ulterior motive" on his part and "a challenge" on her part...I don't see how this will work out for them.

[@christophernelson9289]

Great response, Lloyd. And a good voicemail to select to comment on in the first place

[@rjp2552]

Thank you Lloyd for what you do.

[@rebella5769]

Yep, After years of being a JW, I started to notice that nobody does hypocrisy like JWs. Thanks, Lloyd , that was some great reasoning you gave her to think about.

[@xxxxyz854]

This guy is probably the 400 + lb. Elder from the Troy Michigan congregation with the appetite capacity to consume 2 full course meals, 4 sides, 2 desserts and a hogshead of unlimited refills of soda. Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah provides for those looking for something to eat. I would not have believed it if I had not seen it.

[@wolfie8012]

lol what

[@xxxxyz854]

@@wolfie8012 It happened at Bahama Breeze Restaurant in Troy, Michigan. "A black hole had been unleashed as the many plates or consumable carbon based life forms became a slippery shining emptiness of ceramic discs littering the sturdy table as if an anti matter pulse had escaped from the Zurn collider followed by a waterfall of soda the volume of which was as impressive as any chugging contest performed in a frat house movie". The word GLUTTON fits this "BROTHER ELDER". "Clutching forks and knives, to eat the bacon"!"

[@wolfie8012]

@@xxxxyz854 I will have to visit the Troy Michigan congregation to meet that elder before he is featured in the “My 600 LBS Life” show and becomes famous

[@xxxxyz854]

@@wolfie8012 Better hurry that food "refueling" happened years ago.

[@markmello1366]

The young man she is talking to is very conflicted and not dealing with his ‘cognitive dissonance’ in a healthy way. I did the same thing. In fact, i wound up dating two muslim ladies and a jewish girl simultaneously. How crazy was that?!? Stay away and give him space. He will hurt you emotionally. God knows i did to others while i was going through this. Take care, please.

[@pilekuki9920]

I never liked that weird name "Jehovah".

[@ivettepacheco7774]

I married my husband, who was brought up JW but not practicing it. We have been happily married for 28 years but he has converted to Christianity (Evangelical). Had lots of help during dating from my pastor and friends. Very hard to say the least

[@fujman100]

Dump him. Run like hell, babe! I was JW from the age of 5 to 42. You can't help him. He has to figure it out for himself. Save yourself.

[@ShoNuffSoulBro1]

At 14:40, that is a powerful punch-to-the-gut question for her boyfriend. I’ll bet doughnuts to dollars he’ll shutdown after that one 🤣🤣🤣 My advise for her in addition would be to HEAD FOR ZEE HILLS ! ! 🤣

[@Marie-ml1pr]

I think at this stage of desperation this would count as witnessing hours. It is disingenuous.

[@moniquedelaney7958]

Plus indeed , should he convince her in one way or other to keep going , the woman should ask him about shunning as well

[@valkyrieanduril1345]

She sounds so sweet 🥺

[@hrh4961]

and clueless.

[@valkyrieanduril1345]

@@hrh4961 agreed, but that only makes me feel even more sympathy for her. I hope she keeps her guard up

[@ASilencedOutcry8574]

Serena Williams did the same thing. She preached and preached and dated non-believer after non-believer but eventually got baptized. She knew she couldn't have dated around so many non-believers and gotten married if she had been baptized first. What she did was reel the man in before he knew what was happening. Now he is emotionally invested and facing the trauma of what will happen with his daughter if he decides to take the highway. He might likely bow backwards to The Watchtower and get baptized to maintain a relationship with his child.

[@pennymitchell8523]

When I was 21, a trainee nurse, I met a girl who was friends of a friend. She was getting into drugs. I was hopeful that I could help her away from trying drugs. One day she rang me up and asked me how to shoot up....kshe had had an overdose and had knocked an ampoule.....it was xylocaine, local anaesthetic....I said if I knew how to do it I wouldn't tell her as I was against it and it could kill her. It was at this stage I realised I was out of my depth and cut all ties. I don't know what happened to her....I think about what she did with her life or death

[@mailill]

I've heard that "Jehova" is based on a misunderstanding about how to pronounce the name YHWH (JHVH) in Old Hebrew, as they didn't put the vowels into their writing.

[@jaflenbond7854]

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE - The Creator is the Most High and Sovereign God ACCORDING TO ATHEISTS and AGNOSTICS - The Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and obeyed as the Most High and Sovereign God because the BIBLE is just a worthless and useless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales. ETERNAL DEATHS for ATHEISTS and AGNOSTICS - Hateful, cruel, and arrogant Atheists and Agnostics who are deceiving their own families, friends, and neighbors to hate the Creator and degrade the BIBLE as just a worthless and useless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales are nothing but worthless and useless human beings who are worthy and deserving of their own sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, dishonor, downfall, shameful and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever. ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE - Jesus Christ was given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth and was sent from heaven to planet earth to teach and preach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings. ACCORDING TO FANATICS of all CHRISTIAN and NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS - The authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in the lives and existence of imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings. ETERNAL DEATHS for FANATICS of all CHRISTIAN and NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS - Hateful, cruel, and arrogant Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, all fanatics of all Religions who are deceiving their own families, friends, and neighbors to hate Jesus Christ and degrade his authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless are nothing but worthless and useless human beings who are worthy and deserving of the their own sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, dishonor, downfall, shameful and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.

[@mailill]

@@jaflenbond7854 Spreading some Christian love here, are you, love?

[@jaflenbond7854]

@@mailill Spreading Christian love? hahahaha.....you didn't understand what I posted about the Satanic HATRED and arrogance of liars, cruel, and hateful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.? The Creator is the loving, kind, and merciful God and Father of Jesus Christ. Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, all liars, arrogant, and hateful human beings are mocking, defying and opposing the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ. THE WORTHLESS AND USELESS LIVES AND EXISTENCE ON PLANET EARTH OF ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, JWS, BUDDHISTS, MUSLIMS, BORN AGAINS, HINDUS, MORMONS, BAPTISTS, etc. The CREATOR KNOWS that billions and billions of liars, hateful, cruel, and arrogant Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. who worship his enemy, Satan the Devil and spread the LIES and foolishness of the enemies of his Christ about "Armageddon", "Hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are the worthless and shameless human beings who are causing the sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, dishonor, shame, and ETERNAL DEATHS of mankind including their own families, friends, and neighbors. THE WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE OF THE LIVES and EXISTENCE OF THE CREATOR AND HIS CHRIST TO LOVING, KIND, AND RESPECTFUL HUMAN BEINGS - JESUS CHRIST KNOWS that loving, kind, and respectful human beings who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead will be honored and rewarded by the Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful planet earth without hateful, cruel, and arrogant Atheists, Agnostics, and Fanatics of Religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, terrorists, criminals, and murderers. THE CREATOR KNOWS that in his own right time, he will let his Christ resurrect back to life Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, Christ's disciples, and all loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago so they can live and exist again on a safe and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving, rulership, guidance, and protection of his Chosen King and Ruler, Jesus Christ.

[@johnnyruins9025]

Well said, Lloyd very useful information.

[@Jessica-ri7ng]

The guy might be physically out mentally in. I was born in but I didn't go to meetings for years and never was baptized, yet when I would date someone I was never upfront about everyone in my family being JW's because I had gotten accustomed to worldly people rejecting the idea. I always crept it in slowly over time that I believe in the JW religion and my family are all involved in it. Revealing that information never went well. It wasn't until I became un-indoctrinated that I realized how wrong it was to introduce the religion to someone who already developed feelings for me. I never cared about being on worldly dating sites because I wasn't even going to meetings for anyone to get me into trouble, but I still defended JW teachings. I was a narcissistic- half JW half worldly.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

So funny listening about two people talk about reason when neither of them wants to hear reason.......with some no true Scotsman mixed in

[@HL-vr1vs]

It's called circular reasoning.

[@zofiazajdel]

Girl, he is conducting a study with you, not dating. That way he is telling himself he's not doing bad according to his faith by using a dating site. I'm quite positive his congregstion knows about you as a pen-pal or something like that, when he's adding time he had spend on conversing with you to his report. This is a control thing. RUN.

[@fernandx5889]

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[@lesliethomas7234]

Did you mean channel?

[@fernandx5889]

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[@luan.assis2020]

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[@fernandx5889]

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[@luan.assis2020]

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[@Markomarka3065]

Maybe this guy is ready to know truth about his "truth". That is her opportunity to help him, to awake him.

[@2ahdcat]

Hey Lloyd! Happy zombie Jesus day 2023!

[@JA-xu4jf]

Ugh. I’m a female who was born in and although I left as soon as I moved out of my parents’ home, I was a typical teen totally focused on (in my case) boys. There were limited options to begin with, and if you weren’t a “strong” JW, it was pretty much impossible.

[@MrMoosetang1]

I know exactly what you are saying. Even outside of the JW org, men are held to high standards. But the standards are almost impossible inside the org. That and there are not many women who stay in the org after they become old enough to marry or marry at a very young age to the most richest and spiritual ranked. I ended up marrying the 1st worldly young woman that wanted me. I had kids with her, struggled with being a JW, she would study off and on only to put me down and try to make me look bad for my questions I had that something wasn't right in the org. Only to have her use the local kingdomhall to help her divorce me (after 13yrs I was committed and tried to hold the family together. I look back and should have left her before our first child after she beat the crap out of me then called the cops on me. I was in jail for a month before the DA dropped the case nolea prosecutea. My children were the only positive thing that came out of it but alas I don't have them anymore) and take my kids and help her get into welfare and an apartment. It's very interesting how for an org who claims to be given direction by the Divine Creator in God, the get it all wrong. They protect the wicked the wolves within but the innocent they convicted shun.

[@timbothegreat7767]

lol everything about this call is wrong - the JW is lying, the pastor is wrong, the caller isn't going to 'help' him and i'm eating a cake. I just added that last bit which is true

[@michaelkeller5555]

The moment it was clear he hid the fact that he's a witness and wasn't willing to hear anything she had to say that contradicted him, it popped up as a huge red flag. He's playing a long con and that's to convert her, and he likely tried to keep it a secret so that she wouldn't get a say in "studying" until he had her well and truly reeled in. How slimy.

[@henrim9348]

Wow ... I didn't know that the new "secret strategy" of JWs was to join dating sites and recruit beautiful women over. That's quite smart.

[@montyollie]

Normally your callers are so intelligent and wise. This one actually made me laugh out loud, as she kept referring to the nonsense HE was spewing, not comprehending that mainstream christianity is ALSO nonsense and atheists would look at her set of beliefs the SAME way she's looking at his! LOL It was very nice of you to be so kind to the caller, Lloyd. She really was missing a chip here. Love makes people do crazy things, I get it.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

Lol the "sound Christian theology" followed up by He Is indoctrinated made me laugh.

[@hrh4961]

@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite Actually, Christian Mythology.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

@@hrh4961 yes I know but I was using their same words

[@henrim9348]

Understanding cognitive dissonance can be difficult and it is best to let people go through it at their own pace. Some get it quickly, others need more time. I have a family member who moved from Christian denomination to another for 30+ years (into his 50s). Every time he leaves one, he calls it a cult. Finally, a few years ago, he realized they were all selling the same product. It was just wrapped differently. He has now left religion. It took him 30+ years to get it, despite years and years of conversation with agnostic and atheists. I had doubts growing up, but it took me decade to formulate and be comfortable with a replacement path.

[@cathybober8774]

I am literally shocked that a Jehovah Witness is ON a Christian Dating site? As a child being raised as a JW isn't it a "not done thing"? I am 59 and literally my eyes are almost popped out of my head.

[@cryptojedii]

Those last 2-3 minutes of this pretty much summed up exactly what I was thinking immediately after listening to her message. Sorry Lloyd, not sure why this one was almost 17 minutes...you could've summed this one up in less than 5 mins, Bruv!!

[@b.w.7588]

I do think that interfaith romantic relationships and marriages can work out, but it requires a degree of understanding, a willingness to communicate and work things out, compromise and respect despite one's religious differences with their partner or spouse.

[@stephenjackson7797]

I love it when believers in silly fantasies get their panties in a wad over others' using the same label for slightly different silly fantasies, as if they own the silly label. Both are in a silly fantasy world.

[@theresistance9872]

Great stuff Lloyd!

[@simiw5594]

Just dump him.

[@ElischebaTV]

Very good answer 👍👌

[@UnKnown-xs7jt]

Great answer!❤️🙏🏽😃

[@theunbaptised2997]

Sometimes people accidentally end up with a partner who isn't also a JW, but this guy is deliberately going outside of the JWs. This is speculation, but I think the reason the guy in this situation is on the dating site is because he's not getting on well socially within the JWs. If he's not finding a partner in the religion, then something isn't right for him there. There could be many reasons. He may not be 100% in (unbaptised), so other JWs are wary of him. Or, something else...

[@montyollie]

Also: what is "Ramikrow"?

[@theam5976]

It is the location of his studio.

[@outtadarkness1970]

It is the name he gave his new studio as a play on words because of the GB dubbing their new studio location "Ramapo(sp?)"

[@theam5976]

@@outtadarkness1970 I'm sure that he did it as a play on words/names.

[@montyollie]

@@outtadarkness1970 What is GB?

[@outtadarkness1970]

@@theam5976, Yep, as I said.

[@amym8073]

You are pretty wise. And perceptive in seeing through a situation..impressive!!

[@LibrePensador12]

What's "Christian" theology??

[@jolenecarney7514]

Maybe this guy is preying on the dating pool on the Christian Dating Sites as prospects. Maybe he reports the time that he discusses scripture with her as "studying with a new student"with the goal of eventually having her become a baptized publisher?! Hmmmmm? Who is with me?

[@outtadarkness1970]

Personally, I have no doubt he is counting his time! I would not be at all surprised if his intension all along has been to proselytize rather than find a romantic partner.

[@perditaj7932]

Obviously he's counting all the time he communicates with people from dating site as 'field service' so he can report more hours each month without leaving the comfort of his home!!!

[@wolfie8012]

LMAO! $20 he will shut down again if she asks him that question 🙅‍♂🚫🐢

[@adriamiller4040]

This sounds so familiar you cannot help him get out now.

[@josephmiller9240]

He's a regular pioneer.....bet

[@paulsmith8109]

This guy will never be changed. You may think you can change him but if you carry on then you will be converted and walking down the Isle of a kingdom hall for your wedding. No matter what you say or do you will never change him. Run now before it is to late

[@anniemoss6085]

Screams CONTROL...... RUN lassie RUN in the opposite direction please for your own sanity and future happiness. You will never help him you sound a lovely lady so please run in opposite direction now or you will end up years of heartache and loneliness. I can see you both pulling in different directions all ready. Not a good base for a relationship to even start on. 😢 They will never agree to you marrying him anyway as they will quote the scripture @ 2Cor 6:14.. Lloyd gives good advice. 🙏

[@barbarahedges1791]

He is counting time using her. Also, should she marry him he is the boss, she wouldn't have to go to meetings but guaranteed, if they had children, those kids would be raised Jehovah's Witnesses! I hope she reads this.

[@weitzen]

Is it not the case that both parties are just trying to convert each other?

[@esmeraldapooner751]

Before this man even kiss you, you need to clarify things or get out of this relationship. Or change your religion to his. Break up because he deceived you from the start, then you can go back on that web site and find someone else would be the smarter choice.

[@HL-vr1vs]

Who said he wanted to "kiss."

[@inaconder6289]

@@HL-vr1vs Who said he didn't?

[@HL-vr1vs]

@@inaconder6289 Perhaps he just want to meet and "stare at her so he could commit.....", etc. etc.

[@ilanarhian]

According to Judaism the name of God isn't pronounceable and we aren't even to try to say it. (which is why it is always 'adonai' or 'hashem' - lord or the name). The Hebrew name of God (the tetragrammaton) is supposed to only be on holy texts so actually the way the JWs put it all over the place is rather offensive to Jews.

[@Gabrielleangelcake]

Paul taught to not use the world to the full . . . This guy better only date one at a time . Or he will end up like Solomon .

[@benjamint8073]

Doesn't the Governing Body say that Jehovah's Witnesses who are dating must have chaperones to accompany them? Or is that just a recommendation? If it is mandatory, and it doesn't sound like this guy is using a chaperone, this JW would be in even bigger trouble with elders.

[@MrDMC11889]

They push having a chaperone more on younger couples. "Marry only in the lord" and "do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers" are rules Jehovah's Witnesses are expected to follow. It doesn't warrant expulsion but more often than not marking. A talk is given that's centered around said "publisher's" conduct. The purpose of this discourse is to let the congregation know that this person is bad association. At the very least this "bother" isn't exemplary. That's another jw term.

[@6Fiona6_P_6]

I’m surprised that a jw went on a dating site even a xtain one. I thought those types of things would’ve been viewed as “worldly “ or part of “Satan’s System “….. And once more and again the hebrew god is yahweh not jehovah……… ( wrote this while listening and before Lloyd mentioned Babylon the Great)……. ⚛️☮️🌏

[@jaflenbond7854]

THE ARROGANCE, HATRED, LIES, AND FOOLISHNESS OF SATAN THE DEVIL THROUGH WORTHLESS AND USELESS ATHEISM, AGNOSTICISM, and RELIGIOUS FANATICISM - ATHEISTS and AGNOSTICS are the arrogant, cruel, and hateful worshippers of the arrogant, cruel, and hateful Satan the Devil who deceive and trick their own families, friends, and neighbors to hate the Creator and degrade the BIBLE as just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales. FANATICS of ALL CHRISTIAN and NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS are the arrogant, cruel, and hateful worshippers of the arrogant, cruel, and hateful Satan the Devil who deceive and trick their own families, friends, and neighbors to hate the Creator and degrade the BIBLICAL teachings of his Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in the lives and existence of human beings. Thousands of years and nothing has changed, just the same... The Creator and Owner of planet earth KNOWS that planet earth is still loaded with billions and billions of arrogant, cruel, and hateful Atheists, Agnostics, and Fanatics of Religions who are raising, glorifying, and exalting themselves and their cruel and merciless God Satan the Devil as better, intelligent, greater, glorious, powerful, higher and superior than him and his Christ. Thousands of years and nothing has changed, just the same.... Jesus Christ KNOWS that ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths is still the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward to meek, kind, and submissive human beings who submit to his authority and believe his BIBLICAL teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead".

[@scottslater7704]

Dump him. he sounds wrong

[@b.w.7588]

I have no doubt that this JW guy would get in deep trouble with his congregation's Elders if they knew he had befriended a non-JW Christian woman on a dating website that is run and utilized by non-JW Christians who are considered by the Watchtower Society as belonging to "Christendom" (referring to all non-JW forms of Christianity) which comprises part of "Babylon the Great, the World Empire of False Religion" (referring to all non-JW religious groups, both Christian and non-Christian), such ridiculous denominational phrases in my opinion. In regard to whether or not the name "Jehovah" is "simply the Biblical God's in Hebrew"--as this anonymous female caller's minister/pastor/preacher told her, I doubt it, but it doesn't really matter to me from a theological perspective since I am now an atheist. The name "Yahweh" is more probably a more accurate name for the Biblical God according to what many Biblical scholars have claimed based on their research. It is true that Witnesses believe that by calling the God of the Bible by the name of "Jehovah", that implies, to them, that they have more of a "personal relationship" with Him. Even though this so-called "relationship" between them and their God is constantly being monitored by their fellow Witnesses. So, I have to ask: when considering those circumstances, is such a relationship really all that "personal"? Although some lifelong non-JW Christians refer to the name "Jehovah", when talking about the God the of the Bible...even sometimes in a frequent manner, it is a name for the Biblical God that the Witnesses constantly utilize. If this JW guy on the dating website referred to his belief in an earthly paradise where God's human followers will dwell forever without sickness, disability, old age or death to bother them--his referrals to these concepts definitely would have been strong indicators that he is a Jehovah's Witness to me. I'm guessing that the caller believes in a more mainstream interpretation of the Christian religion. If she believes in concepts like the Trinity, a literal lake of fire and brimstone called Hell where unrepentant sinners are tormented in physical agony forever after their mortal deaths, that the soul is an immortal entity within you that physically separates from the body after death and goes to Heaven to be with God after one's mortal death etc., let's just say that you'll definitely run into some problems if you're trying to convince a Jehovah's Witness to even consider these concepts as being valid theological ideas. JWs have apologetic arguments that they use in order to reject these concepts, but then again, the people who believe in these and other mainstream Christian doctrines have their apologetic arguments for why they believe in these concepts. Do I think the Biblical authors explicitly refer to the concepts of the Trinity, the immortality of the soul or Hell as being a literal lake of fire and brimstone in the Old Testament or the New Testament? I would probably say no, I think those were beliefs that developed later as the theological beliefs of Christians in the 1st century of the Common Era were being considered and worked out as Christianity began to grow and was drifting from its more Jewish roots, but it doesn't matter to me if someone actually believes in these concepts and believes that they are referred to in the Bible (implicitly or explicitly) or not, as I said...I'm an atheist. It's no surprise that the JW man would send this caller all of these articles from JW magazines or excerpts from JW books. He's not allowed to look at and consider information regarding anything about the Bible or religion that hasn't been officially written, published and distributed by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. He's taught to automatically reject anything and everything that conflicts or contradicts the Watchtower Society's official interpretation of the Biblical texts. He is not allowed to consume any sort of media source that critiques JW beliefs, practices or culture, whether those sources were created by lifelong non-JWs or ex-JWs. The JWs are taught to regard any and all criticisms of their denominational doctrines, rituals or culture as largely being either "lies" or "half-truths", especially if the information being presented is being given by an apostate (an ex-Jehovah's Witness). Witnesses are taught to trust in and not question anything that the Watchtower Society tells them to believe or do. They are not allowed to question anything that is written in the denomination's literature, and they are discouraged from even privately disagreeing with it. If they publicly disagree with anything that the Watchtower Society has written, has said or has done--a Witness can be forcibly excommunicated from and shunned by the denomination. Witnesses believe that to critique the teachings of the Governing Body who run the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is to question the authority of God Himself. It's basically a form of blasphemy to the JWs. There's no separation between Church and God in JW theology or culture. Everyone and anyone who isn't a baptized, believing, active Jehovah's Witnesses is "under the influence of Satan and his demonic minions" and cannot truly be trusted. If one has not become a JW when Armageddon comes, they're going to be annihilated by God's angelic army led by Jesus according to JW theology when God decides to take back control of the world from humans and decides to raise his supernatural holy war against Satan, the demons, any persons whom He regards as "unrepentant sinners". According to Witness theology, those people killed at Armageddon will remain dead for all eternity in a state of unconscious sleep. It will be as if they never existed in the first place. If this JW man's Elders found out that he was talking regularly with a non-JW woman who doesn't want to become a Jehovah's Witness, he will likely be told by his Elders to cut off all contact with her. Although marrying a non-JW isn't an excommunicable offense, it is still strongly discouraged. If he tries to date and them marries this non-JW women, he will be expected to try and convert her as often as he can. He will be required to put his religious faith above his relationship with her. If they have children together after getting legally married, he will be expected to raise his kids to believe in Jehovah's Witness doctrine and not allow her to have any say in their religious upbringing. He will be expected to put the expectations and non-negotiable demands his faith above even his relationship with their own potential children. This anonymous caller--she would be expected to live her life according to JW rules even though she adheres to a non-JW interpretation of the Christian faith and has made it explicitly clear that she has no interest in ever becoming a Witness at all. The anonymous caller would be expected to orient her entire life according to the Watchtower Society's religious and moral standards if she were to marry this JW man and it wouldn't matter what her religious faith would expect and require her to believe, think, say or do because her faith is "false and is a concoction of the devil and his demons" according to Witness theology. All I can say is that she is in a difficult situation and should carefully consider about what to do next in regard to her relationship with this JW man. I wish her the best of luck in whatever she decides to do.

[@freddyray6805]

This is a more common occurance than you may think. Two options, Do you want a simple life straight forward or a convoluted rollercoaster? This man is not recovered from religion and as an ex or current Jehovahs witness , he probably is adverse to reading, research and non linear reasoning. I have been that guy, I have encountered women like that , and also know current inactive witnesses that subsequently indoctrinate their children as they think its a protection. My advise.....ask him to seek professional help and for your own good and any future children, stay away. Sorry

[@MuscleAndFuss]

Just because they met on a dating site, does not mean he is a current love interest of hers... He could very well be, but who''s to say

[@Keyatzin]

Honestly, I feel more sorry for the people that seem so determined to wake up & save JW's who clearly don't want to get out, than I do for all of the JW's still in. You can't make the choice for someone else. Especially when they're trained so deeply to view such attempts as persecution, and withdraw deeper into the organization. It's such a lost cause. Lloyd is 100% on this one. The only other thing I would put more attention on, is the fact that he was so hesitant to admit that he was a JW in the 1st place. Either guilt or embarrassment, I'd bet, but worth figuring out which.

[@fredseiuli2407]

Nonsense

[@marylaster9255]

I think he was looking for a bie study. Someone he can manipulate.

[@johngillatt2740]

God's Name is spelled yod hey vav hey, according to the rabies there are some people in every generation who know how to pronounce his name. Jehovah is incorrect. Hebrew in written in an alphabet which doesn't have vowels as in English. All letters represent consonant sounds however some letters also suggest a vowel sound as well. All the letters in God's Name happen to be vowel helper letters. The vowels in Jehovah are considered unlikely by scholars

[@colingibson8930]

Good answer 👍

[@adkjani1]

She sounds quite indoctrinated and judgmental herself. How does "historical Christianity" as she calls it make sense? Their theological debates are like two 10 year old boys fighting who is better, Superman or Batman.

[@josefinesvenson638]

If you want to help him, even though I dont think its your job or maybe not even a good idea (personally I think trying to hang out with a JW without being interested in becoming one myself would be tiring), you could do any activity that has nothing to do with religion together with him. Just to widen the perspectives.

[@scottymeffz5025]

But why would you be on a christian dating site?

[@erichayestv]

LOVE your show, thks. Btw, I like your longer hair better like last year. You’re always happy but your longer disheveled hair made you look both happy and free too. In either case you’re dashing so no worry.

[@outtadarkness1970]

And today he wore blue which accentuates those gorgeous blue eyes!

[@erichayestv]

@@outtadarkness1970 That’s what it is! I was wondering why his eyes were so extra beautiful today…

[@davidmathiesen8656]

He was a naughty boy for being on the site.Lust of the flesh and nothing less.

[@WilliamEly]

Sorry caller, it's time to cut bait. He's not going to leave his religion for you because he'll lose his friends and family. This guy is looking outside his religion for someone to convert and control.

[@michaelwinkler7841]

If i believed in god, i would thank him for the fact, stuff like this - any kind of stuff like this - is not part of my mating ritual any more

[@lori4971]

I wonder how many girls this guy is “preaching” to on Christian mingle 😅

[@rushiasingsfasola]

Why help him? This is why you don't ask an atheist for help. No offense to Lloyd. If truth actually does exist, it's not watchtower. She's trying to get a friend out of a trap. She believes that Lloyd cracked a code to get out. Just tell her that people can escape, if you think the Christians or nonJWs did anything to aid or assist with that, let her know.

[@rushiasingsfasola]

All that being said, Jesus said (Matt. 23:15) about the pharisees what Lloyd said about the JWs in this "he wants you to become one, but he's not living up to the standards himself and he wants you to".

[@tdomingues89]

broo, what ? "This is why you don't ask an atheist for help." Why the fck not ?

[@valriis9745]

I'm sure dating was easier for guys who were at least elders son or from higher families. For ordinary rank and file brother from a dirt poor family it was a mess. You get nothing useful out of your parents and all youre left with is a mess being an adult young male, not undestanding yourself have no idea nor plan how to proceed should a pretty young woman ever talk back. Oh and btw if youre not alt least ministerial servant forget about sisters in your congreagation- they have been told to look for spiritually mature bros only and you all know that! And youre even not allowed to rub one out without getting serious conciousness issues. Good god did coming of age suck! Anyways we can go on about calling the dude disningenuous and crafty and danger and all that- he might very well be all that. But if he's not a predator- then he's just a young man reaching out. he could lie to his parents, fellow JW's and elders - tbh they should not have any power over his private matters and you do not win battles with a deceitful organisation by being an open book. I do call out the cap on "but he's was hiding he's a JW" c'mon didnt we all when there was confrontational situation coming up at school or with relatives or with whoever- ther has been a moment with every JW where they have chosen not to come forward with who they are- I have seen an elder do that in front of my very own eyes. back to the subject - it is natural for men to seek out girls at this age and fall in love etc etc. if nobody wants him in his congregation he is allowed to widen his search till he gets someone (not by JW but just by laws of nature). Things must be pretty grave in his area if he had to write off the whole organisation and go for christians in general and tbh i'm not surprised. So now it's time you 2 have a chat - a real chat. Ask him what his plans are. You will never join JW's he needs to hear it loud and clear. BUT. He could leave JW's he would not be leaving Jesus or faith in bible, you don't have to be a JW to have faith. Let him talk how he plans his finances. JW's are told to have shitty jobs and god takes care of rest - that won't do. what's his roadmap for education and employment for the future? Also he will be shunned by everyone on his side till lthe rest of his life - will he take this very hard hit for you? Btw His frantic efforts to pull you into JW's are probably because he know's he's on borrowed time he can't hide this for much longe and if you we're to become a JW then he does not have to and he's free to love you - forgive him his naivety but make sure he knows - that isnt going to happen. But he needs to make a choice: does he want to be a good christian with a good christian wife, or a bad jehovahs witness?