400 GB per freaking SECOND?!? Holy cow, how did they imagine this works? Just take your pocket sized sever farm with you on shoots?
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
That had an insane portable DAS/NAS server connected to the unit!!
@markkempton45799 ай бұрын
They were secretly a spinoff of a large-volume storage company. :-)
@mielvanvelzen59678 ай бұрын
And the camera itself couldn't exactly be used on a shoulder rig.
@Tugela608 ай бұрын
Given the size of the camera, it is not like you would be taking it anywhere other than a dedicated studio.
@hoilst2658 ай бұрын
Who the hell convinced them to do that? Western Digital? Seagate?
@TheRealMarxz8 ай бұрын
7:28 the company that released the Y35 had no connection with the Yashica company of old, Yashica was acquired by Kyocera in the 1980's well past their 1950's and 60's glory days with classics like their many TLR medium format cameras, the various Electro 35 models and their FFT, FR and FX SLR cameras. Kyocera then manufactured a multitude of cameras models under their own name, Yashica's name, and the Contax brand (which they also acquired) Contax was their premium brand using Carl Zeiss designed lenses (made both by Carl Zeiss and Cosina/Voigtländer with most of the body and parts made by Cosina), after Kyocera left the camera business in the mid 2000's the Yashica name was sold of along with other camera IP to various entities, with the Yashica trademark going to a Singaporean based IP company who then licensed the name to a Hong Kong company set up specifically for kickstarter campaigns such as this Y35 camera. as such the connection to the original Yashica company and products is thrice removed
@tsbrownie5 ай бұрын
I worked in a camera store in high school and college. Our manager ordered a Bessler camera (same company that made great enlargers). It was AWFUL. Heavy, clunky, loud, few lenses, bad control placement, the film advance felt like it was grinding sand, it looked like it was a junior high school shop project, .... THE WORST ever. We could not sell it. That's not quite right. We could not sell it to anyone who would not return it. She finally told us to sell it for anything we could get for it, no returns allowed. That did not work. We put it out on our yearly "sidewalk sale" and somebody finally took it away for almost free. Did I mention it was bad? Like really bad? That was 50 years ago and it still haunts my dreams.
@JonathanMcCormack8 ай бұрын
Light also worked with Nokia to make the camera technology for the Nokia 9 Pureview phone. Like the L16, its software is a big buggy, and when the battery gets below 50% the camera app constantly crashes. It uses 5 lenses and stitches the 5 pictures together into one. It also shoots RAW. I have one, it can take fantastic phones but it’s very hit and miss.
@DavidKRandom9 ай бұрын
Good round-up. However, Konica first merged with Minolta as the digital era ramped up; Sony later bought the combined company. Konica made some terrific high-end P/S film cameras (Revio, Hexar, etc) but reliability was a weakness. As for other camera fails: Kodak's EasyShare One, their first digital camera with a flip-out screen, huge built-in storage, and wireless image transfer, came to market about a year after its announcement and failed. They also made a hybrid APS film camera with digital capture (mainly for on-screen review), and it reached the market, but its second iteration never arrived. Thanks.
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
I originally had the Konica Minolta partnership in the script but opted to cut it out just keep the video going! I'll definitely look into those round ups tho!
@ThaGamingMisfit8 ай бұрын
I remember being hyped about that Light camera, and I'm happy I didn't try to get one. I would have thought another company would have tried to do it right in the past 10 years but I guess it's quite a risky endeavour.
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Modern phones is essential a similar concept, but manufacturers have found ways to do it on with physical optics rather than software!
@hoilst2658 ай бұрын
Polaroid also went after Fuji for their instant film back in the eighties; the US courts sided with Polaroid, natch, but in the rest of the world - especially Australia - Fuji was allowed to stick around, and became quite popular. Their passport cameras - which had four lenses projecting on to a single photo sheet - were a common sight in every Australia Post post office, and pro photogs shoot Hasselblads used Fuji instant backs to check their exposures, since their instant filmed (broadly) lined up with their pro films.
@wearetrackclub9 ай бұрын
Love your video style! Really insightful stuff, nice editing too 👌
@jus.2ne8899 ай бұрын
The production quality is great! Keep at it!
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
@dj1NM38 ай бұрын
The Yashica Y35 was basically a scam: being a cheap-o plastic P&S with teeny-tiny sensor and a slug of metal inside to make it feel like it had "weighty quality". Of course, the real company Yashica was long dead (1985 or 2005, depending on what you considered "dead") by the time the Kickstarter campaign happened (2017).
@Campake9 ай бұрын
this is honestly really well made, you definitely deserve more subs, keep it up!
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
Thanks man!! 🥂
@noisevieux8 ай бұрын
That *Yashica* jingle was sick 👌
@monojit123456789108 ай бұрын
man i feel like im at the beginning of a truly great youtube channel. all the best brotha
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Thanks man!! Appreciate the support! More to come!
@annekedebruyn77979 ай бұрын
The Zeiss ZX1 felt like an R&D project being put out out to test the water tbh. It had a great lens tho. I feel like they should create a more normal camera without the editing apps gimmicks. There is a market of people who are into the premium fixed lens camera. But just not for 6500 usd. Also a honorable mention: Sigma's Foveon sensor adventures. I hope that they bring a modern version of that sensor in a mirrorless body.
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
The dp1 was a disaster! I wish zx1 was a normal fixed lens camera, probably would of done way better that way
@quite1enough8 ай бұрын
What bugged me the most with ZX1 is the camera only has SSD, but no sd card slot. In case of SSD fail you'll end up with a quite expensive brick 😢
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Yeah definitely not very practical in that sense. Maybe it's not soldered on 😂
@lsdc18 ай бұрын
Just like your iPhone, iPad, and macs…. Good backup regime essential…
@quite1enough8 ай бұрын
@@lsdc1 iphone and ipad didn't cost $6k and for completely different tasks you can find tons of people using cameras like Nikon d700 which is still amazing, or even older I don't want to spend that much money for 100% breakable camera in the very near future, moreover I have film cameras like Nikon F4s and Nikon f-301 that more than 30 years old and still works perfectly fine moreover this kind of "disposable tech" attitude from companies creates a lot more of e-waste, polluting environment
@unbroken10107 ай бұрын
Quite a shame and insane price. Samsung did it before too bad they did not stick around
@omeletta98018 ай бұрын
How do you have so few subscribers with such quality content! Probably one of the most underrated channel out there
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Just started a couple months ago! Hopefully the subs come soon!
@fatmangaming27208 ай бұрын
I picked up a Light L16 and the camera is actually pretty good. It's a better camera than most realize, this is like due to the reputation it got upon release.
@outfield19888 ай бұрын
I hade a konika film camera.learned a lot from it.
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Konica were solid!!
@robd24679 ай бұрын
Absolutely loved this video- well made too. Keep up the good work 🤣🤣🤣
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
Thanks man!!
@al_in_philly58328 ай бұрын
This was a really nicely done video! Well researched and presented with the right balance of depth and brevity. Thanks.
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Much appreciated! Hopefully I'll make it one day
@pittyman9 ай бұрын
Yes, I am still sad about Konica VX100... The perfect match for my needs. I still have one Fujica ST701 (silver body), awaiting for VX100...
@richardvallonjr.67168 ай бұрын
superb line up of flops!
@TheASM1969 ай бұрын
Very interesting video! Subscribed.
@DixonLu8 ай бұрын
The Sony QX1/10/100, (& the Olympus Air) where users have to supply both the lenses and the screen & controls. Basically a sensor sold at the same price as a camera.
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
I'm not going to lie I always wanted a Sony QX 😂
@akashdefonseka9 ай бұрын
Just got my first camera, a Sony ZV-E10. Keep this up and you'll become a major influencer the likes of which would rival MKBHD and MrWhoseTheBoss. Absolutely spectacular production quality, massively engaging and informative, thoroughly fascinating in every way. Happy to subscribe while you're still at 600 followers, looking forward to 600k in a couple of years 🔥
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
Thanks man! Happy to have you on board!
@unbroken10107 ай бұрын
Mr who and what? Sound like sagger lovers to me.
@akashdefonseka7 ай бұрын
@@unbroken1010 They're both tech KZbinrs who have immense production quality and a very high number of followers. Their videos are also fun and entertaining despite being packed with a lot of info.
@SandBag298 ай бұрын
I'm just getting into photography and that was genuinely interesting and well presented. +1 sub :)
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Thanks man! Best of luck on your journey!
@cypherdk859 ай бұрын
One small fail as a mention. Nikon D600, it did sell well and is still regarded as a good camera, but when released it had a major issue with oil on the shutter that could end up on the sensor.
@azimow29058 ай бұрын
This and similar problems were in many Nikon cameras, but the company went to the meeting and all problems were corrected in service centers. Now shutter parts on the sensor are a regular problem with Sony cameras
@unbroken10107 ай бұрын
That is quality control issue not a tech issue. Ffs
@unbroken10107 ай бұрын
@@azimow2905 unfortunately they did similar in the d750. Which Sony camera are you whining about specifically?
@azimow29057 ай бұрын
@@unbroken1010 All sony except the a7r4, it has the least shutter problems
@unbroken10107 ай бұрын
@@azimow2905 my a7 mark one still works. The rotary button is the only thing broke . Mostly from me . Plenty of people have working a7 mark 3. They did have some shutter problems here and there .Meanwhile. My Olympus has frozen hardware, Fuji all have some defectls. Xpro 2. Melted flux, t30 broken bayonet, v100 shutter just stops , lunix pieces fel off the vf, who should I sack top for now? You buying me a Mark 4?
@EvanMonsma9 ай бұрын
The Hasselblad rx100 reskin is actually kinda sick I didn't know that existed
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
Oh its gnarly looking! But damn 3g for a wooden grip 🤣 I picked up a wooden grip for my rx100v and it's pretty sweet but not the same
@KrisHomemadeBaking9 ай бұрын
not gonna lie the Kodak handle song is a total banger!
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
It's a like a 45 second jingle if you search up the whole video!
@KrisHomemadeBaking9 ай бұрын
@@CongThanhContent yeah i saw it. my mind has NOT changed the slightest!
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
Could maybe make a new song using it as a sample 🤔
@Nocturnal_Mind8 ай бұрын
Great video man.
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Appreciate it!
@vincentgraffeo90308 ай бұрын
Awesome video, well researched.
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Thanks man! 😀
@desmondmasikhwa17008 ай бұрын
When I read your title, I actually thought you'd speak about cameras that were so good for their time, that the manufacturers regretted throwing in all the technological leaps all at once. 😅 I loved this video nonetheless
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
I mean some of these were kinda like that! Just not implemented well 😂
@artbydesmond14158 ай бұрын
@@CongThanhContent Haha, fair enough 👌
@davidjazay92488 ай бұрын
These really hurt my brain. Great video!
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Thanks man !
@GabrielMisfire8 ай бұрын
Holy shit I had forgotten about the Hasselblad Stellar. We had them in store in John Lewis Oxford Street, London. Pretty little things, but holy shit were they an infuriating concept.
@Macs4 ай бұрын
how was the photos quality outcome?
@GabrielMisfire3 ай бұрын
@@Macs literally the same as a RX100, which is what they were
@CliffHairston8 ай бұрын
I was selected as a tester for the L16 but never received my unit. I was gutted as I was really looking forward to testing that thing.
@Ventrux7 ай бұрын
I own a Lytro Illum is an amazing camera, there is nothing like it. Is like learn to take photos again. Mostly in close planes, miniature, food, is pretty fun to shoot with. The software is a crazy thing by itself, it runs win Windows 10 almost perfect.
@fpeezdoo98596 ай бұрын
Lytro was way ahead of time and existing technologies; I think the light field cameras will take over in like 30-50 years
@Ventrux6 ай бұрын
@@fpeezdoo9859 there is a paper from a scientist from India using light field technology to map entire rooms with a single beam of light, the military and security uses will be amazing.
@EditioCastigata7 ай бұрын
4:45 Large sensors in undercomputed cameras: As soon as something moves just slightly it’ll get diagonal distortions towards the bottom of the image.
@collodionpositive5548 ай бұрын
Good video, subscribed.
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Awesome! Next video come out soon!!
@Emlt5 ай бұрын
you could have added the nikon D600 which was able to dirty its sensor on its own. Nikon had offer a free cleaning service for over ten years.
@jasongold67519 ай бұрын
Darth Vader's rig! My worst camera , Bronica-C.C=Crap. Shortly after Nikon took over control! Bronica used Nikkor lenses. Great Film!
@malmcowy9 ай бұрын
very interesting. thanks!
@unbroken10107 ай бұрын
Thr Darth Vader looks fun actually 😂. Hasselblad was smoking some Molly back then. Just saw a Lytro for $74 Dollars.
@eltee56969 ай бұрын
APS cameras, remember? Mid 90s I work in advertising and there was a tender to launch APS (not to be confused with APS-C) APS, developed by Canon, Fuji, Kodak, Konica, Minolta and Nikon, used a new film No sprockets so the camera was smaller Anyone who's played with cameras knew it'd fail Professionals won't buy APS SLR because each camera brand had a new lens mount And even though amateurs queued overnight for the compacts, the image quality sucked (The camera guys said a built-in clock factored in when a shot was taken But lighting conditions at 3pm in summer is v different from 3pm in winter) But of course management took the words of camera makers over a gear head Think in less than 2 years, APS was disconned And while old 35mm SLR lenses still have resale value, APS lenses can hardly move
@MasticinaAkicta9 ай бұрын
APS was just a film format too small. Sure there has been smaller like 110 but even that is more for spy cameras and super small snapshotters then anything serious. The good thing about APS though was that it forces better chemical emulsions, which all found their way back up to 35mm and higher again.
@MasticinaAkicta9 ай бұрын
I do like these weird cameras, and sometimes buy them. For instance the Sigma's DP's or Lytro's but only if it is REALLY REALLY CHEAP. At that point they are toys.
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
I'm on board for that!
@CodingWithLewis9 ай бұрын
I am actually curious how you can store 400GB/second???
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
They connect it to huge multi bay NAS/DAS
@static-san8 ай бұрын
I remember the Lytro! Too much marketing nonsense and not enough technical explanation. Plus the weird unconventional camera shape. The ZX1 was such a miss. They should not have ditched the Play Store. There have been others who have tried putting a decent camera on an Android device, BTW, but they always sacrifice something major, like hardware speed. LTT reviewed one from China. It was slow and buggy. A good idea with sub-par execution.
@andreaslack83793 ай бұрын
Th worst I personally used was a Kodak disk film camera. A point and shoot from the 80s. It auto advanced the film (a disk) when you clicked the shutter. It was all automatic but it mean't that the photo was a fraction of a second delayed. Forgot taking candid photo of a cat with it. The cat would her the mechanism advancing and be able to turn its head before photo was snapped. Many a good photo got lost with a distorted cat face as it rapidly looked at the camera.
@daniel_svs8 ай бұрын
Hey man, amazing video! And btw congrats on 1k subs! Your video quality is great and I can really see this growing quite quickly. As a rather small KZbinr too I can see that you dedicate to this, and also hope this video's success can show how important that balance between clickbait and genuine content is. No one really likes clickbait, but it's part of the job, hope you'll be able to perfect all the small tricks and evolve this channel, best of luck to ya.
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Thanks man I hope soon too! I didn't think I made it clickbaity though 😰
@daniel_svs8 ай бұрын
@@CongThanhContent not really much clickbaity haha, meant more like an attention drawing thumbnail with a broader audience topic. Videos about like specific camera gear or something similar are cool, but also only interesting to those very active in the hobby or looking to buy some, while this video can also reach general tech nerdy people
@StripedTailz8 ай бұрын
good video, extremely good quality editing for such a small subscriber count
@rickdeckard44348 ай бұрын
You might want to add the hasselblad HB 4116 to the list of flops, still i bought one for 20€ and that's about what it is worth.
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Maybe this will video will get a sequel 🤫
@rickdeckard44348 ай бұрын
I've got the lytro and the kodak EK6 as well if i didn't got them for free to "examine" them i might be questionning my choise of cameras LOL @@CongThanhContent
@Shuttterbugg7 ай бұрын
U forgot about the the alice fail startup bs that supposedly is still goi and sharps first camera to be 8k
@deltacx10597 ай бұрын
11:07 and people like that are why things suck now, people can handle a little glue and especially two flathead screws.
@brugj039 ай бұрын
That Light thing. How on earth could they come up with that. Just by the looks you could see it would flop.
@yanixx_x87849 ай бұрын
nice video men
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
Thanks man!
@realpain849 ай бұрын
Thumbs up,subbed😮 cheers😊
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@geraldyurekiii30894 ай бұрын
btw there are light L16s sold on amazon for $120 USD sealed in box
@MrBaskins20107 ай бұрын
fam shocked you didnt mention the intial flop of the canon eos m marketed mostly to women with AWFUL autofocus that wasnt corrected for at least a year after release
@CongThanhContent7 ай бұрын
Oh nooo, part 2 possibly?! 😂
@quite1enough8 ай бұрын
2:30 "Hasselblad making the best cameras in the industry" Phase One users: 😢
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Phase one is great cameras tooo but they've never really made any consumer cameras, most of their cameras are for industrial use
@quite1enough8 ай бұрын
@@CongThanhContent this or for some reaallly wealthy consumers
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Personal satellite for Astro photography
@Hydermehdi8 ай бұрын
Then comes Leica.
@evo2718 ай бұрын
I hate it when cameras are rebranded, with Hasselbald and Leica essentially being Sony/Panasonic
@oc2phish079 ай бұрын
Nice video. I have a vintage Yashica Electro 35 AND a Kodak EK160 Instant film camera. I collect old cameras. The issue with Kodak, and the reason they failed, was they infringed the Polaroid patent.
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
Well not necessarily! At peak Kodak was worth 30billion! The patent infringement was definitely a big blow but for them was really just chump change. Polaroid was actually sueing for 5 billion and the settlement was 919Million. Kodak's biggest problem was that they never transition to digital. They made most of their money from selling film and chemicals. Digital is a one time purchase. So the Life time value of a customer dramatically dropped when digital entered the market
@artistjoh8 ай бұрын
Didn't the Pentax K-01 fail because most people hated the bright yellow design?
@hiemsx8 ай бұрын
Lol 10:22 I just learned about that case in my accounting class @ uni💀
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Comes full circle I guess 😂
@hiemsx8 ай бұрын
@@CongThanhContent Indeed, i definitely enjoyed the video more than the three hours of advanced accounting though 😂
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Hahaha Im sure the legalities were interesting 😂
@benjamindejonge36249 ай бұрын
Konica hexar was my friend for many years
@molybdnum9 ай бұрын
I'd add the Pentax K-01, maybe the Pentax Q and NX-Mini, the Ricoh GXR...
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
Loool the Pentax new line definitely will hit the next video. The NX mini wasn't tooo bad!IMO I think Samsung was pretty awesome. The NX1 was WAY ahead of the time. If Samsung stuck in DSLR/mirrorless market I could almost guarantee they would be the top dog right now. The NX1 was from 2014 and it still it's still pretty comparable to the newest cameras
@chucku008 ай бұрын
Gotta love trypophobia-inducing smartphones...
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
The worst!! 😰
@Ventrux7 ай бұрын
Camera flops? Advantix and Disc
@BubbaBearsFriend8 ай бұрын
Hasselblad still exists... BUT it's majority owned by DJI. So a Chinese company with its headquarters in Sweden.
@unbroken10107 ай бұрын
Samsung did it before Zeiss but with a sd card. Great camei. If only they stuck around.
@NDakota79Ай бұрын
Why was Hasselblad failing with rehousing other cameras when Leica does the same thing till today and is fine?
@CongThanhContentАй бұрын
hmm hard to say, I dont know too much about these Leicas in particular, but if i had to guess I couldnt imagine many people opting to pay a Leica premium on panasonic camera. The D Lux 8 looks pretty cool though. Could maybe see people picking this up as their seudo mini Q1 lookalike. But probably far a few inbetween. Also the Hassleblads designs for their rebrands defintely isnt everyones cup of tea. lol
@leonnoel97028 ай бұрын
Pentax mirrorless K-01 was a flop but I think they quit to fast
@actionimagesphotography9 ай бұрын
Will we be adding the Pixii camera to your list? We'll see.....
@annekedebruyn77979 ай бұрын
I hope not. The Pixii concept (affordable-ish upgradable rangefinder) is too good for the photography industry.
@TheASM1969 ай бұрын
How about the reverse: the 10 most successful cameras? ...maybe you will want to limit that in time since there were a lot of successes...
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
I was thinking about that! Got a similar subject that aligns with that. Still writing it and fact checking but hopefully will be coming out soon!
@MonBerry8 ай бұрын
Hasselblad is one greedy company.
@adelbettayeb8694 ай бұрын
Check diy perks lens
@rovingearth70283 ай бұрын
DJI owns Hasselblad.
@pixelpusher35893 ай бұрын
I have one of the Lytro light field cameras, the software is the key :/
@markrigg66238 ай бұрын
Canon R7. 😢😢😢😢
@Randomthoughts9443 ай бұрын
Are you yonger brother of potatojet
@CongThanhContent3 ай бұрын
brotato
@PeterPrism8 ай бұрын
X pro1 x ever
@CongThanhContent8 ай бұрын
Some is trying to put a target on my back 😂 (everyone knows you can't bad mouth Fuji)
@davesoverthere8 ай бұрын
The Sony α line is descendant from the Minolta Maxxum series; Konica had nothing to do with it other than the merger.
9 ай бұрын
It's kinda funny that the EOS Rp didn't make the cut, it should have. That camera is just terrible for what it's worth at launch, coming from Canon no less. At least the EOS R8 is a downsized R6 Mark II and released at the right time as more RF glasses are available now. The Rp is just straight up bad, it doesn't push anything forward, it's actually inferior to the DSLR it set out to replace - 6D Mark II and also inferior to the A7 Mark II - a 2014 camera, the EOS R gets a pass for being first, but the EOS Rp was just staight up a scam/noob-trap at the $1.399 price tag at launch. That's not to mention the RF mount wasn't matured at the time, the "budget" Rp was literally stuck with $1,299 L lens because there wasn't even 5 native RF lenses at the time, how did that even happen is beyond me? So anyone actually bought into Canon's "friendliest way to go full-frame" literally got scammed hard and they even doubled-down on that because well they are Canon shooters and just spent $1,399, stupidly, gotta justify it somehow. Canon didn't even promise anything with the Rp, customers didn't even expect a revolutionary step and they still under-delivered. It's actually incredible they managed to effed it up and effed with their customers this badly.
@CongThanhContent9 ай бұрын
I originally had an honourable mentions, that fell into bad bad marketing position or underwhelming categories but made the video way too long 🤣 you should check out the sigma dp1! Was 10k MSRP For not a whole lot!
@reinhard80539 ай бұрын
But wasn't it just a cheaper version of the R ? So how could it be better ? And with the RF-EF adapter (was it available at that time?) you could use any existing EF lens.
@JohnAldred9 ай бұрын
The EOS RP was just an instant-gratification camera to satisfy the folks who wanted something that could shoot video better than Canon DSLRs that didn't completely suck for stills. That's all. A transition piece to keep video guys happy while Canon worked on what came over the next five years. And for what it cost at launch, it did it very well. I almost picked one up as a vlogging/walkabout camera but went Panasonic MFT in the end for video.
@alexandrethethe14125 ай бұрын
I loved the video. But PLEASE don't use AI for your thumbnail.
@chingymofo18 ай бұрын
"this guy for sure has like 100k subs" *looks at 972 sub count* "nah I must be tripping"