Camponotus Ligniperdus - Carpenter Ant Colony Update 2021

Camponotus Ligniperdus or Ligniperda are Europe's biggest Carpenter Ant species. In this video I share my experience of keeping these big ants over the last 2 years and why you may want to choose other ants to keep as pets, if you are a beginner in ant keeping. Enjoy this Ant Colony Update 2021!
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[@AntsVienna]

Hope you enjoy this Carpenter Ant Colony Update! Let me know 💬😃 🐜 More CAMPONOTUS ANT VIDEOS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJyqY6CcfcSWjZI 💻 Join our DISCORD SERVER: discord.gg/PBw6BvU

[@ExploreTheUnknown586]

Pls make a ant farm from plastic bottle or jar

[@pepeijn1983]

Just caught my first antqueen of the year 🥳🥳🥳 (lasius Niger)

[@AntsVienna]

Well done! Congrats! Here are some Lasius videos for you 😉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmnIm2Sbd9V2Z5o

[@pepeijn1983]

@@AntsVienna thx

[@bncbanme6191]

Bro ive seen queens appearing on my lap and ive been wanting it since i was 7 and i was like nah i dont wanna terrify the poor thing

[@MinigunL5]

Some queens just don' have good genes and won't succeed. That's why it's best to catch multiple so you can have at least one that does really well. I have a Camponotus novaeboracensis ( a North American wood nesting species similar the ones in Europe) queen that has gotten well over 200 workers after their first hibernation. I suspect many of the deaths you experience were from nanitics and workers dying from old age. Nanitics and workers from a queen's first few generations might not live as long as later more well-fed generations of workers.

[@AntsVienna]

Yes, I am suspecting nanitics too for now. Hope this next bunch of eggs grows into a nice workforce :)

[@antsandpets]

Are your Camponotus Ligniperdus the largest ant species you ever kept? for me the largest ant species Ive ever kept are Camponotus pennsylvanicus, also great video :)

[@AntsVienna]

Yes, Camp. Ligniperdus are my largest. They are even slightly larger than Pennsylvanicus - My Queen in the footage is more than 20mm

[@antsandpets]

@@AntsVienna Wow 😲

[@AntsVienna]

Camponotus ants can get seriously big :)

[@XD-yw4go]

I wish I had carpenter ant

[@AntsVienna]

Then just go look for Queens regularly! Here's how to find Camponotus Queens: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYrEZ2aHnZaoqdk

[@jonathanthompson4734]

Mine are in a wakooshi Mercury nest. I've had them since maybe October so I'm not suprised she only has one worker and 2 larvae. However, the worker never leaves the tube to forage in the outworld above so I'm rather concerned they'll not get fed. I have resorted to feeding them directly in the test tube but that's not great. Perhaps it's best to only put food in the out world even if it means they go hungry for a while due to being timid. Perhaps their hunger will get strong enough that the nanitic will eventually leave to forage. As well as this, the cotton of the test tube has gone a light grey/blue colour so it needs changing but they are so stubborn and will not leave the tube when I offer them a fresh one. Finally, the other odd thing is that the queen, for a few months now, has been carring round a brown clump of some material. Attached to it are two larvae and I'm not sure if they're getting fed properly. Oh well. It seems I didn't realise how serious it was when I was told C. species can take ages to get going.

[@AntsVienna]

Hello again Jonathan! light gray/ blue color of cotton in test tube is okay... I've seen much worse! I suggest you keep feeding them in the outworld. Small colonies are very careful and shy, so they only leave the nest at night - if at all. You can only know they are eating if you place food and it's gone. However a single Queen and worker won't need feeding more than once a week. What you can give them twice a week is a drop of honeywater. Hope this helps you out!😉🐜

[@jonathanthompson4734]

@@AntsVienna Thanks again!

[@philthehexagon2989]

one of my ants drowned in the honey i gave it. it wasnt a small ant either.

[@AntsVienna]

That happens a lot. Lost countless worker ants like this... Still sorry for your loss. I solved that issue by making honeydrops considerably smaller

[@bethuelprime3999]

How can you release a large colony of ants in an ant farm back to the wild?

[@AntsVienna]

Just open the entrance hole of your setup and put the ant farm in your garden for example. The ants will usually move out on their own within a few days

[@estebancedenomontoya5038]

Tengo una teoría se a estudiado mas en las camponotus una enfermedad o virus o bacteria que posee la miel de abeja y es recomendado no darles miel si no otras líquidos azucarados

[@AntsVienna]

Thank you my friend - had to use a translator for your message. Will try to give them other carbohydrates too👍

[@stijncroon9287]

Hope they survive and idk about it I know ligni is slow but this sounds not good

[@AntsVienna]

Thanks! Yes, for me Ligniperdus have been more than slow so far... I've heard from other people losing 30 from 42 workers in hibernation... So this seems to be a Camponotus thing

[@tranvietphu1298]

I have a question: what will you do if you want to move a colony quicker? Light don't really work with mine and also i live in a tropical country so the room temperature is warm enough

[@AntsVienna]

Hello there. Well I've come to learn that if a colony does not move on its own it is better not to move them. How long have you been trying? I've had colonies that took 5 months to move

[@tranvietphu1298]

@@AntsVienna i have been trying for 2 months, the test tube is extremely moldy but the water is still plenty so the queen just stayed their, at least I tried Edit: is it ok for queens to stay in molded area ?

[@AntsVienna]

I have a Queen that lives in a molded test tube for half a year now and is too stubborn to move out

[@CanariosMadrid]

👍👍🐜🐜🇪🇦

[@AntsVienna]

Greetings from Vienna my friend!🐜🐜🐜😃

[@antkeeper_greece2042]

Q1 yes Q2 no

[@AntsVienna]

haha - Yes, and that feels even worse than yes/yes, right? 😉

[@antkeeper_greece2042]

@@AntsVienna yeah

[@antkeeper_greece2042]

@@AntsVienna my camponotus fallax workers died then new one hatched but then she died and now they have one worker to cocoons and a bit of larvae and eggs

[@AntsVienna]

Have you tried feeding your Queen some protein? (like a cut piece of mealworm or a fruit fly?)

[@antkeeper_greece2042]

@@AntsVienna yeah

[@SwembaSwemba]

This might have been the first time I had ever heard a KZbinr ask me to “kindly tap the like button” Proof AntsVienna is one of the best KZbinrs

[@AntsVienna]

I think I said "gently" but yeah - it came to mind spontaneously so I just said it like this😂

[@attustheant]

@@AntsVienna #loveforlikebuttons

[@ExploreTheUnknown586]

Can you make a ant farm from only plastic bottle

[@AntsVienna]

Hello there. You can use this Build tutorial to make an ant farm from a plastic bottle😉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWLFZnprbrNsj8U

[@ColossalSwordFormAndTechnique]

Forced hibernation is always bad ☝️

[@AntsVienna]

True, but it easy to see when your ants are ready for it ... they stop egg-laying, don't feed anymore etc...

[@K_Levi]

Hello. My Temnothorax crassispinus colony died because they have dryed out during hibernation

[@AntsVienna]

Sorry to hear that. I set timers for watering my ants... maybe that is a solution for you too 😉

[@helloitsme3144]

I also had a the same Camponotus sp. got up to 30 workers after hibernation there were only 10 and more and more died in the following months. Sadly the queen ist now the only one left. Don’t know how it happend .

[@AntsVienna]

That's indeed sad to hear. I'm sorry for your colony too. From the feedback I got so far it seems that Camponotus sp. in general do experience some major drawbacks in the colony foundation and grow process. More than other ant genus

[@axellenaerts5960]

hi

[@AntsVienna]

Hey there! Good to see you :)

[@AntsCzech]

Just to make it clear, ther is no ligniperd-US, it's ligniperda :D

[@AntsVienna]

haha - I hear that all the time... Just for fact then: It was former called Ligniperda and the grammatically correct one is Ligniperdus (coming from Latin). See following post, though it is in German ameisenwiki.de/index.php/Warum_Camponotus_ligniperda_jetzt_C._ligniperdus_hei%C3%9Ft

[@AntsCzech]

Using over 10 year old Antwiki page as a source won't give you up to date info. I know latin a bit myself and I understand the point, that a is wrong, but both AntWeb and AntCat clearly say ligniperda is the only valid taxon name, also a myrmecologist A. Purkart says so ;)

[@AntsCzech]

@@AntsVienna A comment on Latin naming of Camponotus ligniperda Two Latin spellings of the ant which Latreille had also named in French “fourmi rongé-bois” have been in use by various authors over the last 60 years: Camponotus ligniperda and C. ligniperdus. This disparity causes confusion (but is in reality not a very important issue because it does not lead to confusion with other Camponotus species). The latter spelling assumes that “ligniperda” is a female adjective attached to the female noun Formica and has to change its ending to “-us” when the species is transferred to the masculine genus Camponotus. The other spelling assumes that Latreille used “ligniperda” as a noun in apposition, which remains unchanged in combination with a genus name of any gender (§ 31.2.1. and § 31.2.2. of ICZN). This interpretation as a noun (meaning “wood destroyer”) was clearly expressed by Kutter (1977) and I consistently followed this usage throughout the last 40 years. Indirect conclusions on Latreille’s naming intention, considering the vernacular compound word “rongé-bois”, appear problematic as I received different proposals by native French speakers. The deciding point in this debate is that “ligniperda” is no accidental linguistic fault-this word really exists as a Latin noun and Pierre André Latreille, as a Latin-educated catholic priest, and Heinrich Kutter, as an old-school pharmacist educated in the 1920s, should have known this. To have this view confirmed, I asked the distinguished Latin expert Prof. Thomas Baier from the Institute of Classical Philology of the University of Würzburg. He fully concurred. This is what he wrote in a letter of 15 July 2013: “.... assessing your problem according to the rules of classical Latin, ligniperda would be a noun, which always is written ligniperda in connection with masculine and feminine, thus not being adapted in its suffix-just as you have assumed. A parallel form is parricida (murderer of relatives). Johann von Schwaben, who killed his uncle Albrecht von Schwaben around 1300, is known since then in the history books (and in Schiller’s Wilhelm Tell) as “Johannes parricida”. What applies to Swabian dukes also applies to ants, si parva licet componere magnis...”. Seifert 2019 bruh

[@AntsVienna]

Thanks for the detailed explanation👍 However I'll stick with Ligniperdus😜

[@FizzleFX]

7:00 fill the gaps with cotton/sand etc.... I have a water feeder and my acorn ant crawled into the thread to drink at the top.... and drowned...

[@AntsVienna]

True. Ants don't always do what we expect them to do... BUT they have lived their ways for millions of years before human existence, so ants must be doing something right😃

[@FizzleFX]

@@AntsVienna their Queens sure do. Replacing the dumb ones 😠

[@axellenaerts5960]

2 Worker vanished, after two months after the colonie died out, because of fungus I found out thay made an escape tunnel.

[@AntsVienna]

Hey there. So they didn't die, but escaped instead?

[@axellenaerts5960]

@@AntsVienna no 2 workers escaped and 1 and the queen died by fungus

[@AntsVienna]

Oh... sorry to hear that. Hope your other colonies are healthy

[@axellenaerts5960]

@@AntsVienna I don't have other colonies it was my first one I got last year, this time I'm prepared.

[@rachelmiller9369]

I had a ant queen with workers and they all looked healthy but the queen would not lay eggs and they all died😢

[@AntsVienna]

Hello again! Are we talking about camponotus species? From what I've heard so far this is pretty common with carpenter ants... So don't get disappointed or lose hope. Just make up your mind and start with another species this time! I can truly recommend Lasius ants! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmnIm2Sbd9V2Z5o

[@mackenzie_TH]

Well if you get me a queen ant i get you harvser 26 ants 1 queen

[@AntsVienna]

haha - want a Camp. Queen that bad? 😜 Have you tried searching for one? Here are some tips: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYrEZ2aHnZaoqdk

[@radmilakraisnik8565]

wow so cool......

[@AntsVienna]

Yeah... Thankfully I found more Camp. Ligniperda Queens last year! :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJDWpnSOeMirerc

[@rachelmiller9369]

AntsVienna if you read this I just want you to know I love watching your videos and to keep up the good work😃

[@AntsVienna]

Hello Rachel! Thanks for the nice words and your support! Will keep making ant videos for you guys👍

[@budgie-do2jl]

You are good antkeeper

[@AntsVienna]

Thanks! Doing my best - hope my Ligniperdus colony can recover and grow in numbers again

[@sWooSH_wHooSH]

My camponotus compressus ant colony which has 9 wirkers ar not moving in the new test tube. Their old test tube has alot of mold in it. I tried using light but they didnt care at all. How should I move them?

[@ingarssilins176]

Try to be patient. Sometimes, it takes days to move ant colony. Camponotus can be very stubborn.

[@AntsVienna]

As Ingars said: Camponotus can be very stuborn when it comes to moving... I've had colonies that took more than 3 months (!) to move. Just give them the option and be patient

[@sWooSH_wHooSH]

Ok thank you

[@tranvietphu1298]

Priti your not the only one, my messor aciculatus colony is stuck in the same situation as yours (except mine have no nanitics)

[@kristijanveljaca1687]

One of my colonies died during hibernation, only the queen survived and she never again laid any eggs. I believe this was due to inproper hibernation, they were in my room at room temperature :/ I was a big noob then

[@AntsVienna]

hello there - sorry to hear that! If you still need more ant advice i suggest you have a look here kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6WnpKqMfZp9aMk&ab_channel=AntsVienna

[@kristijanveljaca1687]

@@AntsVienna This year, I plan on putting them in my fridge at 7 degrees celsius. I hope that will be enough not to kill them, I've already watched most of your videos :)

[@kristijanveljaca1687]

@@AntsVienna This year, I plan on putting them in my fridge at 7 degrees celsius. I hope that will be enough not to kill them, I've already watched most of your videos :)

[@belogic5347]

Hello again :D

[@AntsVienna]

Hello Insect boi! Glad to see you again :)

[@GreenMantis27]

😭😭😭😭 my colony died i winter godd luck to yours

[@AntsVienna]

Hello there - Sorry to hear that! Are you keeping any other ants? Don't give up - ant keeping is a great hobby :)

[@GreenMantis27]

@@AntsVienna i know... i currently have a colony of pheidole ants... they are wonderfull, they got like 6 majors and they are doing well! i still have them on a testube, but i will move them to a formicarium around atumm of this year

[@matthewfrancis9987]

Hey ants Vienna can i join the discord with my other account

[@AntsVienna]

Hello my friend. Yes, you may join us anytime - as long as you are over 13 years of age (Discord Terms of Service)

[@matthewfrancis9987]

@@AntsVienna im already on the server with my other account

[@blueril2718]

Nice vid we’re in Europe can u find these queens?

[@AntsVienna]

Hello there! You can usually find Camponotus Queen from May-July in semi-forest areas. More on how to find them here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYrEZ2aHnZaoqdk

[@blueril2718]

Thanks

[@dukeofkeredon3109]

My carpenter ant colony has reached 13workers 😀❤️❤️

[@dukeofkeredon3109]

I caught that queen maybe a month ago or maybe 2

[@AntsVienna]

Nice, make sure to provide them an outworld for easier feeding👍

[@dukeofkeredon3109]

@@AntsVienna can you recommend me the best FORMICARIUM for my carpenter ant colony? 🙂

[@AntsVienna]

@@dukeofkeredon3109 I would suggest this kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKGpfaOlppWrZ5o

[@heisei_goji9354]

Hello!

[@AntsVienna]

Hello there! Hope you enjoyed the vid! :)

[@heisei_goji9354]

I like the video my Camponotus Vagus Queens have their first nanitics

[@AntsVienna]

Nice! Keep it up! PS: I have a Camponotus Vagus video incoming soon 😉

[@heisei_goji9354]

@@AntsVienna Ok 😁👍

[@sLife_-]

💚💚💚👍

[@AntsVienna]

🐜🐜🐜😃

[@ingarssilins176]

Hi! My experience with Camponotus of Europe is very bad as well. Very hard to raise, very long hybernation, high death rates, high queen death rates, often slips in summer diapause, very sensitive to disturbances, very sensitive to humidity changes, etc. I must admit, it is the hardest ants to raise and keep.

[@AntsVienna]

Hello there! YES! I can agree to every single one of your points. However for me solenopsis fugax also prove difficult to start a colony

[@SunStarcz]

Can you tell me what species specifically and for how long? Just curious.

[@ingarssilins176]

@@SunStarcz C. vagus, C. herculeanus, C. ligniperda

[@SunStarcz]

@@ingarssilins176 Thanks

[@AntsCzech]

@@ingarssilins176 imho not hard at all, it's just all about the waiting, nothing more :D also depends on how you keep them

[@aBeekeepersLife]

My ligniperda that i bought lastvyear and was struggling since then lost 2 nanitics a month after hibernation. Now still 1 nanitic left with a bit of brood, but it doesn't seem to develop. I bought a new ligniperda colony with 10 workers(some nanitics but some 2nd generation too) they seem to do a lot better for me 😊 Very nice video 😁👍

[@AntsVienna]

Thanks! I that by sharing my experiences I can help you guys out with your colonies😉🐜

[@Ninuturu]

My ligniperda also went from 45+ workers all the way down to 7... I have no clue how or why, I didn't find their bodies She hasn't layed any eggs this year, I moved them back into a tube, now they have a few eggs, but they don't really care for them :(

[@AntsVienna]

hmmm... strange, but sounds exactly like what happened to mine. Never heard of such a drastic drop in population - hope your colony can recover👍

[@cityants1166]

Epic o video

[@AntsVienna]

Hello there. Glad you like - do you keep any Camponotus?

[@cityants1166]

@@AntsVienna yes, I keep a small colony of Camponotus Pennsylvanicus

[@AntsVienna]

Nice, these ants also get almost as big as Ligniperdus👍

[@cityants1166]

@@AntsVienna 👍

[@nolanch3036]

Everyone says campo's are the easier to keep but I've had no luck with them. Had roughly 25 campo pennsylvanicus queens last year and none of them made it through winter. The year before had 3 that were doing awesome with around 30 worker each and then they all just died. The last queen died a month ago. I'm not sure if it was lack of heating or poor diet but with my Formica Fusca, phhff i can neglect them and they still prosper.

[@AntsVienna]

Hello there. Sorry to hear that - I totally understand you. Camponotus sometimes start declining with no obvious reason... like mine did too. In regards to diet I can recommend you this video - wish you good luck!🐜🍀 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKTRnY2Ngs96bbs

[@_ikea_8659]

Been waiting for this 😃

[@AntsVienna]

Hello there! Hope you were not disappointed. More Camponotus videos coming! 😉

[@mackenzie_TH]

Pico the best

[@block_shado]

Not gunna lie I just got nanitics from both my camponotus pencilvanicus queens this weekend!!!

[@AntsVienna]

Nice! Make sure you take care of them😉👍

[@danihodde5542]

I had weid deaths with my camponotus nicobarensis the colony had 10 workers so i though lets move them. But then I saw ants struggeling on there back and in about 2 weeks 6 ants died.

[@AntsVienna]

Hello Dani! That doesn't sound good. Did the colony recover meanwhile? Maybe my experience with Nicobarensis can help you out. I also had trouble to get the colony on its feet in the beginning kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmWueH2japqeh7M

[@cool_Ant_007]

yeah , Ive had a situation like this when the queen is missing a worker or two , this happens sometimes with my camonotus vicinus ant colony

[@AntsVienna]

Ok, good to know my colony isn't the only one having this issue😅

[@Braddaddyx]

Q1: I had no DIRECT casualties due to hibernation i catched a C.Ligniperda Queen in July 2020. I hibernated the queen+15w in the testtube in my refridg. at 11°C in oktober 2020. i got them out of hibernation End of March 2021, no worker casualties, after 2 days they were already moving a lot and started gathering. In just a few days 15-20 eggs that hibernated changed into larvae and got big and changed into puppets within i would say 1-2 weeks and hatched after another 2-3 weeks, there were approx. 5 ants born handicaped that got killed or isolated, now i have 29 healthy Workers and another 6 puppets (that are even bigger now).

[@AntsVienna]

Hello there! Handicapped ants are not unusual for Camponotus, almost every colony has at least one in some point in time. My colony has a worker that can't move one of her front legs. However since alts have 6 of them she manages to walk no problem :)

[@Braddaddyx]

@@AntsVienna I got one that also had 1!! handicaped leg, she could move perfect, still got outcasted...another one had their legs and antenna curled up, they put her on the rubbish heap (alive)...ant live is hard :-/. I guess C. ligniperda is very delicate concerning the performance of their workers :-D

[@rachelmiller9369]

Please do an update on your Nicobarensis ants collony I love your videos😊

[@AntsVienna]

Hello Rachel! Glad you like my work🙂 Will update you guys on my nicobarensis as soon as I solve the housing problem for them... Currently the colony is exploding in population! 🐜🐜🐜

[@mrantmr6782]

I got another lasius niger this year in addition to a very weird queen, it looks like combination of black and wood ant queen! Can’t wait to see the workers! And have a good day!

[@AntsVienna]

Hello again! Yes, new Queen sounds interesting. Feel free to ask on our discord if need help in identification😉

[@mrantmr6782]

@@AntsVienna yeah, might do it!

[@SunStarcz]

I started my Camponotus Ligniperda colony just recently. I have 2 queens with max 5 eggs and one with 3 nanitics, 1 big larva, 2 small larva and lots of eggs. One of the two actually had 9 eggs but she ate like 4 or 5. Not sure why. She is in very calm place. Only thing that comes to my mind is that she was either hungry (but I fed her before...) or it was just way too many for her to keep. So far I am happy with them. I hope they will grow into nice big colonies. Also I have a problem feeding them with some protein source. If I give them a mealworm the dont eat it at all. Any tips?

[@AntsVienna]

Hey there. Everything sounds fine about your Camponotus. For feeding you can try fruit flies. Watch this food guide for ants kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKTRnY2Ngs96bbs

[@SunStarcz]

@@AntsVienna Thanks a lot.

[@AntsVienna]

No problem. Hope you find a solution for your colony 😉

[@ethanpayori8284]

I love the camponotus ant videos

[@AntsVienna]

Then you will be happy to know that more Camponotus videos are coming up😉

[@kaurkalevik1295]

You could try to give your ants some honey or something like that to boost their energy during hibernation. Also I have Camponotus Herculeanus colony and their first nanitic died after 3-4 months of living and it was weird.

[@AntsVienna]

Hello there! Thanks for the tipp, I've been feeding them well... Let's see if the new setup is going to help.

[@AntsVienna]

Oh... 4 months is not long especially for a Camponotus nanitic!

[@АлександрСалисов-м9г]

Мед не давайте. Или берите у знакомых пасечников.

[@royaltoppat1496]

Woah cool carpenter ants!!

[@AntsVienna]

They are really big, but take time to grow a colony. Here's how you can find Carpenter ant Queens: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYrEZ2aHnZaoqdk

[@josephpeterson8911]

The only weird ant death i had was a colony of around 50, a Neoniger colony, doing really well, just decided to kill off their queen. it was really weird. i put the workers in with another small colony and they seemed just fine, the eggs i put in with a third colony and the accepted them.

[@AntsVienna]

I've been told this scenario happened to a few people by now... but no one could identify the trigger that made the workers kill the queen. Thanks for letting me know AND sorry for your loss

[@josephpeterson8911]

@@AntsVienna Thank you so much! I was also wondering what are you thoughts on grout nests?

[@AntsVienna]

Useful for species that can bite through Ytong. I will make a grout nest and share more thoughts about it soon 😉

[@josephpeterson8911]

@@AntsVienna Sounds great! Can't wait!

[@threeelevenrollie]

Please do more diy tutorials!!

[@AntsVienna]

Hello there! Have you checked the dedicated playlist? Any particular tutorial you wish for? 🙂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKGpfaOlppWrZ5o

[@threeelevenrollie]

@@AntsViennaYeah i saw them but we need more ideas! Haha

[@AntsVienna]

Feel free to let me know anytime😉👍