Camren was never real? | Flame of doubt

[@chloeprice571]

Okay, dating or not, I miss that friendship

[@lisasgirlfriend6465]

Chloe Price yes me too 😢😢😢

[@katrinnicoleabelardo7994]

True their emotional connection is amazing.

[@jillianymartinez]

Chloe Price RIGHTTT!!!!!???

[@diant3802]

Same

[@tru1326]

I do too.

[@napstablook3935]

i thnk maybe they were attracted to each other but all this shipping made it weird, so they never acted on their feelings

[@carrots_arelife2924]

yup

[@suhoneybae3445]

you got the words out of my brain, damn

[@nubiarodriguez5339]

preeeach

[@skepticaltendance1619]

Ese es to buena razón

[@deepikasingh2656]

Anna right

[@fabiolamanzanarez7314]

I do believe that the Camren shippers destroyed their relationship. It's obvious that they were at least attracted to each other but as Lauren said, at that time she wasn't ready to even admit her sexuality to herself, so everybody telling her that she was in love with Camila only scared and upset her, so they stopped interacting in public and eventually their frienship got cold. Plus, as they said in interviews, the shippers are really disrepectful with the people they are linked to (Lucy is an example). When Laucy was confirmed, Lucy received a lot of hate. Can you imagine how much that hurted her and Lauren? You guys involved their partners, friends and family. That's not ok.

[@sameee9007]

Fabiola Manzanarez totally right, I do believe camren was real but you have all the reason

[@williamgamz4854]

Preach 👏👏👏. I’m a camren shipper myself but I only read fanfics and I don’t shove it down lauren and Camila’s throats. As for Lucy, they had no right to hate on her. She had done nothing wrong

[@Letyparatore]

All camren shippers did was create the cold between them, but something else happened if camila left and if they don't talk anymore. You can't say camren shippers ruined the group, cause if they really had a fight for that then would be so stupid and they would be childish, don't you think? Something else happened and only the girls know what.

[@favlam1408]

@Anissa Voskan Grikorian The point of this comment is not intended to disprove camren, the point is to respect Lauren and the people around her. It doesn't matter whether camren is real or not, what matter is to give them personal space so they can work it out.

[@stephanieferrera1559]

Well said 👍👍👍

[@caitymiles13]

I was so confused on whether this person is trying to prove it’s real or not. 😂😂

[@beykynunfjrrh5108]

Caitlyn Miles omg sameee

[@eirinich6089]

lol, same 😂😂

[@hufflepuffxxxx]

GIRL ME TOO I WAS THINKING THE SAME!! i was going to stop watching but then the next video had a camren moment in it so i was like wait wtf? LOL

[@jandres9232]

I guess, this person isn't proving anything, not proving if it's real or not. The person is just the same as us, confused in whether it's real or not.

[@ashtonj5206]

I mean they are "totally lost"

[@pinkyfantasy6111]

I always think that Lauren is denial to everything, that includes her feelings, she's afraid to let her feelings out and i know that can end up hurting herself emotionally.

[@bedhed9569]

The chemistry was there. I don't go by what they said back then, because obviously, as she admitted, Lauren was lying and Camila backed her up. She was bisexual all along, and I don't believe that she was bisexual back then and was not attracted to Camz. It was all over her face & her actions! And as for Camila's sexuality, it's more than obvious that she's at least bi. Fact: in her album, the only song where the word "he" is mentioned is "Havana", which she has said is not a personal experience. In the other 9 songs "he", "boy" or any reference to a male is nonexistent. Quite an accomplishment when you are writing love songs! I do believe Camren was real and no, they didn't date as an out couple, because it was secret. Remember the line in "Consequences" where she says "secret keeping".

[@sofiapalacios4326]

Bed Hed what about never be the same?

[@m.7877]

i agree! amen

[@bedhed9569]

Sofia Palacios Never Be the Same, Consequences and also Something's Got to Give. All These Years I believe was written when she saw "this person", as she told an interviewer, at an event and she ran to the bathroom to cry 😢 I find it amusing when people say Shawn, who she's said she always saw only as a friend (so there was no drama or heartbreak) or Austin, who se "dated" for 3 weeks three years ago (and even he admitted it wasn't real. Probably to distract from Camren). How many times do you see a person you dated for three weeks? Three, four? I doubt there was deep love and heartache there to write Consequences or any of those songs. I really believe Camren was real and the fact that they couldn't be out, for whatever reason, messed it up. It's sad, because they didn't get a chance to live their relationsbip without hiding it.

[@koltonshawn9945]

Bed Hed , totally agree. It's more than obvious that Lauren's expressions and Camila's sexual tension gave a shit ton of evidence away. You could tell by the way Lauren smiled that she was head over heels in love with Camila. In fact, I've never seen someone's eyes look so happy and deep while looking the person they love until Lauren. And yeah, they were Cleary lying about the relationship, probably because they were afraid of the pressure, the looks, the comments, and all of the prices LGBTQ (plus) unfortunately and unfairly have to pay for the public. Just wish they didn't have to hide a beautiful bond SO PRECIOUS to themselves (however I really do think the rest of the 5H members knew, just by their anticipation of reactions, and the things they said).

[@bedhed9569]

KJ - TAEZ The one thing I t hink differently from you, is that I think 5H knew. Look at their reactions to those "moans" in the bus.

[@kinkyshiit3976]

They look at each other a bit too intensely to just be “friends”. The eyes are the window to the soul, and bare all your secrets.

[@totallylost8696]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2LdqHere7eEbK8 ... :)

[@kinseylou0306]

I 100% agree ! I know the eyes tell it all.

[@iyannamarie1163]

She's bad at whispering 😂😂😂

[@totallylost8696]

The lil'cousine? Yes, she is :D In the uncut video she asks after her sweet smile why the people "are laughing at her". They "laughed" because she whispered so loud.

[@jessberly9599]

But sofi said it wasn’t real surely she and Lauren’s sister would know wouldnt they ?? Like I’m not trying to be negative because i do ship it but i doubt camila would ask a what probably 9 at the time/10 year old to lie

[@saragrays5008]

@@jessberly9599 or she doesn't discuss her personal life with said 9/ 10 year old.

[@mariaot5834]

yeah, extreme Camren shippers ruined their friendship

[@emilyh1602]

Maria#ot5 a real friendship can't be destroyed by people who say "camren". It can be annoying, yes, but c'mon if friendships and couples could be ended because of rumors or fans everyone in hollywood would be single now. Lauren and Camila are smart girls, they aren't 11 y/o

[@mariaot5834]

well it made them scared and uncomfortable to be too close, and hug.. and say things as "babe" and "I love you".. you could tell they became distant.

[@emilyh1602]

Maria#ot5 in the last period they were distant, yes ...then Lauren came out and Camila left. They had their reasons, consequences and something gotta give could explain what happened. Some people who write on socials "camren" can't be the reason why all this mess happened, don't you think? It would be ridiculous and illogical. I repeat, L and C are not 11 y/o

[@totallylost8696]

Emily Havral, I think so, too! You don't ruin a friendship or relationship because of social media or fan comments. Most fans loved camren, it only became unfomfortable because everytime they came near each other their fans screamed hysterical. If they came near to other persons the other person got attacked because "Camila is Laurens" or vise versa. That's not very normal from their fans! But okay, they are young and that's how it is. Nevertheless Maria#ot5 is also right, in front of the camera they avoided to touch each other like they used to when they were very young. Neverthless when you're in love you don't care what other people think. Moreover when you're famous you can hire a social media agency if you don't like to read your own social media shit every day.

[@emilyh1602]

Totally Lost I agree, obsessed camren shippers maybe caused the "cold" in front of the cameras in the last period. Everyone would have done this in order to calm the rumors. But who knows what really happened 😣😣 I only miss ot5 moment and camren, it was better than a tv show 😅

[@laurenl.s6948]

I shipped Camren... no still do but i don't think anyone should've pushed them. Its gotten so bad that Lauren had to say something and its not a good thing. Sure have your thoughts and opinions about this but we will never know the actual truth we need to listen to what Lauren said and just leave it alone too. People should've left it alone the day Camila left the group or people should at least stop saying there still together. It aggravates me when I see Camren mentions on there Instagram pics or tweets, people are so obsessed with this its kinda weird and annoying. They said they weren't together and Camila isn't in 5H anymore why don't people understand that they shouldn't be doing that?

[@richieray6619]

Lauren l.s I am a camren shipper too but most of the non shippers think all of us are disgusting. They generalize. lol Its sad some shippers are fucking obsessed af.

[@syah1288]

I agree to the part where people should leave it alone and stop pushing them till today. I'm a shipper too, I ship them so badly that it literally broke my heart when I found out abt Tyren and Mattmila but that doesn't give me any rights to go and comment abt Camren in any of their posts anywhere. Shippers should really stop pushing them, stop the comments abt it in all of their posts, stop the nagging and all. It definitely makes Lauren and Camila uncomfortable. Respect them and believe it'll happen at the right moment and accept that all we can do is wait, give them space and believe. Camren ❤

[@totallylost8696]

Great comment, Ren S!

[@syah1288]

Totally Lost Thanks bud 😉 I'm glad you find it that way and really hope that shippers will be mature enough to understand it just like you 🙂

[@taetaecabellogrande4450]

🌞🌚: The Sun and the Moon 🐉🦄: The Dragon and the Unicorn 🦋: The Butterfly 🌷: The rose 👁: Lauren green eyes Camren is real 💕

[@totallylost8696]

Yes, #camrenISreal :)

[@harriethe3rd327]

I wonder if Camila does identify as a dragon

[@izzyvonder7032]

that kiss of Lauren and ty was so cringyyyyyy (edit: I asked three of my friends who don‘t even know them and they said it looked cringy)

[@naomigarcia8890]

Izzy Vonder It was cute

[@izzyvonder7032]

Naomi Garcia don‘t get me wrong I think they are cute. I really do but the kiss, idk

[@TheVallex]

Yeah it feels fake :/

[@nothingheard]

Here we go

[@zoemack1903]

I don’t even think it’s cringe because I don’t like them together. It’s just the way they kissed idk it was weird

[@IsaacMaganaMusic]

The Psychic Twins predicted Camila going solo and they also said she had a romantic relationship with another member of the group

[@totallylost8696]

I remember this interview, yes they did say that. Nevertheless I guess all in all they also said a lot of bullshit in between. Who knows if it's true expect L+C. I can predict that 5h will take a break that starts in the year 2019 > let's see if I will become a fortuneteller ...

[@jamiez901]

girl you are right, they are on a break

[@totallylost8696]

I predicted that they start their break 2019, lol. I was sure that it would start sooner but I hoped that they would have the guts to celebrate with their loyal fans at a few goodbye-concerts but I was wrong. They already canceled the last shows. Let's hope for some good new Lauren solo songs.

[@justlivelife4051]

I think in 2013 it was totally friendship . In 2014 maybe there was some feelings . In 2015 if there was something it was totally over . And in 2016 in 90% of interviews camial was unhappy and quite ans camila was totally ignoring Lauren . Guys actually i think it was a friendship and because of media pressure some feelings started but again they hold it as friendship and in 2015 and 2016 theye were tired of camren things on social media .

[@christiinagaera4105]

just livelife YASSS, that's what I always thought!

[@kpcxox8068]

just livelife me too

[@rafaelafatma3296]

I agree though

[@nothingheard]

just livelife Lauren still gets harrassed to this day by her own "fans" in the name of Camren. Sad fandom.

[@chloehowes5491]

Agreed

[@savannahbanana6040]

i love it when Sofia says UGH NO

[@beykynunfjrrh5108]

CamEEla CabeYO HAHAH she’s so cute😭

[@savannahbanana6040]

Christelle Fahd ikr💗

[@succefull11]

CamEEla CabeYO I love Sofia

[@kylie5590]

I feel like camren was real at some point, u could never deny that, the stares and the touching, the iconic Camren look, who even look at their “FRIEND” like that..

[@amiyahgordon5454]

Eternal Cabeyyo very close friends. My bestfriend and I do similar things. Not to seem weird but she rubs my hand because she thinks it’s soft we lean on each other’s shoulders, sometimes kiss on the cheek if we’re being nice or something and we bite each other and stuff like some people do. There’s nothing between us but it’s just like a bestfriend thing.

[@kylie5590]

Amiyah Gordon I know what u mean but there’s just something different about them, u don’t just stare at your friends ass and then bite your lip, u don’t get paralyzed by your friend when they’re simply doing nothing, u can clearly see the difference between two close friends and two people being in love.

[@totallylost8696]

I agree with both of you. I do a lot of those things with my best friends, too. But there is a line, like Eternal Cabeyyo mentioned. Sometimes Lauren looked at Camila like she would be the most precious thing in the world.

[@amiyahgordon5454]

Eternal Cabeyyo agreed

[@totallylost8696]

You can also take a look at my other videos, for example this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2LdqHere7eEbK8 :)

[@quinzeljauregui2399]

i think they're just friend.. friend with attraction you know.. they love each other as friend but there's this attraction that more than friends and bcos of this ship theyre being awkward.

[@soph7480]

that's what i think too. they both know they have this attraction to each other but neither of them ever address it. it was just a pure little world they had with each other. so, when an entire fandom addresses something that even they don't address, it makes it hella weird. I think the fandom really did ruin the weird, cute, "attraction-y" relationship they had with each other.

[@jailinet4593]

i think laurens hella stubborn and she would never admit to having feelings for camila. camila probably would tho tbh

[@totallylost8696]

You should watch my latest Camren video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJfUm62Fa7ylncU

[@daniicasiano1287]

It's 2020 now and Camila released her album Romance, saying it's about Shawn, well fuck, doesn't seem like it. After the 'break up' with Matthew and her sudden collaboration with Shawn with their song 'Señorita' they are suddenly seen in photos were they are kissing and it just looks fake. I miss those camren moments where even if they didn't confessed theit feelings, it can be clearly seen through their actions. Fyi, almost all of the songs in Romance pertains to an old lover and if you pay attention to the lyrics, you'll know who she pertains to.

[@jenny7676]

you know how people who are not in the specific relationship can see the chemistry? like how your friend sees how you look at someone you like or are in love with? it's the same with us and probably their friends. no one can say that a romantic relationship existed at a time but the attraction was so obvious. when you remember all the looks and tender touches, you can't deny it. If lauren came out as bi, now the only thing we don't know is camila's sexuality. lauren was pressured to come out, and with everything we know about epic, syco and modest, I doubt she would've been allowed to come out if it weren't for the pictures. everything will fall into place later, there's no way people will just forget about camren, the two of them will address it maturely in the future. just you wait.

[@eirinich6089]

Jenny idk, it kinda seems impossible now, with ty... also camila seems to be really over 5h generally... they seem to be worlds apart.. but i really hope u r right and i 'm wrong

[@jenny7676]

Irene DiLaurentis yeah I understand all of that but it doesn't have to be now. also I do believe she's over 5h but she might not be over lauren. also maybe something will happen when they're both over each other(ofc if there was ever something between the two of them 😂)

[@eirinich6089]

Jenny yeah, u r right 😁 i do think there was sth going on, i mean there is too much evidence against them.. but it's also sad that she and the girls r over each other... they used to be friends. Unless their friendship wasn't strong enough.. anyway.. i hope camren happens in the future 😊

[@jenny7676]

Irene DiLaurentis yeaah me too, but for now I'm glad none of them are hurting(at least I hope they're not)

[@eirinich6089]

Jenny yeah, same.. although lauren has to put up with all those rumors about her and ty.. but i hope all of them r happy

[@portlandgeek]

Yesterday, I was convinced 100% Camren was real (okay 98%). After watching this, IDK ): But that's how it's been for me the past 3 months (I'm a newbie to this ship). Back and forth and then back again as I sift through videos, twitter, tumblr and IG making myself seasick. I don't know what to believe anymore but I can't deny that the way they look at each other, envokes the feels in me. Deep ones! I think those of us who believe it (ship it), do, because we KNOW what that first REAL love/crush feels like on a visceral level. When we watch how Lauren and Camila interact with each other, biologically, all sorts of chemicals are being released in our own bodies. It envokes a very human emotion and desire. To love and be loved. Even some of the best actors and actresses in the world can't pull this off. We all know what it's like to steal a glance of the person we have a crush on when we don't think anyone is looking or when we catch their eye and they reciprocate a sweet gaze and smile back to us. We know how it feels to find everything they do, funny and interesting and want to stay up all night talking to them. We know what it's like to want to sing, dance and write songs or poems about their eyes and the way they move. We are sooooo interested in Camren because deep down, it's what we desire for ourselves. And NTBS might as well be our song about the way Camren makes us feel. LOL. Don't underestimate the power of human connection and our ability to read other peoples body language and the energy they give off. Biologically, that's what we were built for. And don't second guess your own intuition. For too long I had people in my life tell me how and what to think, to not trust what I feel and see. Just PLEASE, don't overstep boundaries and disrespect them and the people they love. Okay...I've talked myself right back into believing - 100% this time :) cuz it's my delusion and I can believe what I want. Now that I'm done ranting about emotions and love, my theory is, it was real, it was complicated, they were really young, Camila wanted to leave for multiple reasons, they needed to kill Camren so everyone could have a chance to 'move on' plus it was probably scary for them and their families because it was/is invasive. As they've all admitted, they have lied in interviews. Now they are adults and they're just trying to do what young adults do. Find themselves. That's it. Sorry for the long message but I think I needed to get this off my chest. I feel a lot better now.

[@totallylost8696]

I love your message. I'm quite sure that it was real and they denied it several times. I'm also quite sure that it still can be real. Look at their social media plattforms, it is still invasive. It's scary. I don't know If you also watched my last video about Camila's album - kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3WzmqJ8br-WhpY >> I know that it is a sad album about a broken love but it also includes a positive vibe that this love still exists. Watch my video and you know what I am talking about :)

[@giuliannaalzamora597]

1:12 “they are going to do a duet, in their bedroom” HAHAHAHA

[@totallylost8696]

Haha :)

[@ysabelle3122]

lauren+ty's kiss = cringe lauren+camila's hug almost kiss = cute af made me cry in joy and plus when ty n lauren kissed it looked liked that ty was enjoying but lauren wanted to stop instantly

[@totallylost8696]

In our hearts they will be forever the perfect couple 🌈🌈💖💖

[@jonajohnson1551]

I think some of the extreme shippers destroyed something there. If they wouldn't be THAT extreme, we would've seen definitely more camren interactions. But we definitely created the most beautiful love story in the world. :)

[@totallylost8696]

I think so, too. Yes, we did :)

[@TurtleNugget]

it's obvious that they covered it up for several reasons, especially Lauren's unacceptance of her sexuality. I actually did a video yesterday about this. But yeah, shoe has grown, they've both grown and I think Camren is a thing of the past but hey, maybe after they grow some more and become more mature and single haha, they can then rekiotheir love. becaise in the group it seemed like their relationship was mostly making eachother jealous..

[@totallylost8696]

i watched it and i love your video, keep up the blogging ... you're cute, I guess your fanbase will rise quick :)

[@TurtleNugget]

thank u sooo much!

[@laizacabote6102]

I firmly believed that they were attracted to each other and at some point they had a thing. But now i’m over it because I respect them. I respect Lauren and Camila’s personal life. It’s not everyday they have to entertain our delusions. They’re humans, let the poor people live. However it is nice to watch these videos once in awhile because it makes your reminisce about what could have been and all the memories of them. This, all shattered because of a fandom that was unable to express sympathy, to respect their privacy for the sake of their happiness.

[@savvasbolios9968]

I personally think that Camren WAS real and also that one of the breaking up reason was about the obsessed Camren shippers but it's not only that.. We only know a little peace about their lifes.. Now Lauren has a relationship with Ty Dolla Sign and Camila with Mathew and they are both more happy than ever.. So the Camren shippers who are still believing in that love story are definitely wrong..! 🙂

[@tru1326]

Not to be obsessed or something, I started shipping it at 2013 I think. I was ready for someone coming in Camila or Laurens life so I never really wanted to hate anyone that Camz or Lolo really loved you know what I mean right? If the ship would be sailed I'd be really happy, because that's what we made. We made beautiful love story and we can't forget it. So as I said, we shouldn't come in their lifes and let them live, but we still can't forget about the friendship they made together. That was just too beautiful to forget. I can't forget still, this is what we do to each other. We are making them uncomfortable and then the friendship is just getting destroyed. I think if we'd be positive and won't go into their lifes as psycho camren shippers they'd come back together as friends. They were feeling something to eachother and I think we can say that, but still.. We can't make any sexual edits of their photos, this is idiotic for me.

[@totallylost8696]

NO ONE lets a public comment / opinion destroy a real friendship. Or a relationship. People can blame Camren Shippers as much as they want to BUT they didn't destroy anything. Maybe they created a Camren submarine because the great public shouldn't know who Camren was. BUT we also made them both sucessfull af. Fifth Harmony without Camren rumours!? Unthinkable. Even the straightest girls had been CS. So sorry but they wouldn't be that sucessfull as they had been without this ship. And they can't blame anyone for giving them free publicity since fetus days.

[@isabellas.f669]

I just miss their friendship. I personally don't know if i believe it was ever more than friends. But one thing i know is that they 100% where best friends. The love and respect they had for each other was insane. And I just want their friendship back.. Yk.

[@Katie-bf5rw]

This video made me sad for Lauren. Love you Lauren, you have encouraged me to come out as bisexual to my loved ones and for that I thank you!

[@totallylost8696]

It's really sad that she's with this guy.

[@Katie-bf5rw]

Is Lauren still dating Ty Dolla $ign?

[@Letyparatore]

you know what? it started for being a joke. all the groups of all the world have ships, but we know they're not together, is just a fandom thing.. if you understand what i'm saying. Camren shippers started thinking it was real since lauren got mad and cared too much about it.. i mean, it's a joke we know that you're not in a relationship, we started to believe in this because of you lauren. (if you know that this relationship is not real and someone ask you "are you dating?" you just say "no" normally. she said no, but the way she say it with her "bitch" face, like that was something too bad, this makes us believe there was something behind) Plus.. ok it wasn't real, but if it was why you were so scared? i mean if you're not together but you have an attraction for that person i understand is a bit weird to say it, but is normal, is not a bad thing loving someone, and no one can say nothing if you love someone. 3:25 you exchange camren shippers with haters, all we want to say was "hey, we know that you're not together, but if you are don't be scared.. we love you and we will support you always".. that's it. She said too many times that wasn't real that at the end was so obvious that she wanted to hide something (not the camren story.. but the whole thing that she was bisexual), i'm not the kind of person that push others to say things they don't want say, but you can't block fans and treat them like shit just because they believe in something and beause you're scared about it. (i mean you're not a killer, is not a horrible thing). i repeat, i want believe in them, but that wasn't a bad thing..if you know that was not real, and we know it either, why you got so mad about it? (For example.. little mix have a main ship too, and all they do when fans ask about it is saying "yeah is so real" joking. they're not together.. they know it.. we know it. And this happen to many other groups)

[@totallylost8696]

I liked the faces of the other bandmates more than Lauren's "no" 😂.

[@Letyparatore]

hahahahaha

[@alessandromanghese1573]

I totally agree.

[@alessandromanghese1573]

Maybe Lauren had a little crush on Camila, but she didn't want to let the camrenshippers win

[@alessandromanghese1573]

The truth is that we can't know the truth... remember that we don't really know these people, I think sometimes we forget it.

[@nurjahan3012]

Its been like 5-6yrs and I'm still all about camren.

[@Letyparatore]

"shh don't say anything"... wtf girl

[@alisacs_f.l1312]

Lol

[@bellareyes3438]

I think that there was definitely feelings involved and a couple of slips and the other girls were probably aware of that but all of this “investigations” from camren shippers probably creeped them out. Another thing people have to realize is that they are BEST FRIENDS so yeah they are gonna give each other secret looks and stuff like they are besties you don’t have to make it all an attraction

[@dreamgirl-kf1yw]

I'm sorry you guys, I've tried so hard to see Camren but honestly I just can't. I've always felt so weird in the Harmonizers fandom because I really don't ship this and it's makes me kind of sad when I see people pushing them close together and truthfully I think hardcore Camren shippers damaged their relationship. They'd be a cute couple, and I don't see anything wrong with pretending, just don't be delusional and selfish enough believe that your fan-fictions are true, y'know?

[@maxkim9791]

dreamgirl666 gurl, i aint a camren shipper i dont even listen to fifth harmony lol. But a friend of mine showed me a few videos of them especially the "camren indirects" and damn.. there was definitely something there. I iust think that the fans ruined whatever it was.

[@cametotheren8808]

mybe lesbyan is digusting but for me 4.48 this more digusting bc Im GAY I love my self too lauren

[@zed4694]

threesno bingka BAHAHAHHAHA SAME SAME.

[@amandalynne4415]

I think if they had that feeling or felt all that everyone thought, it became to much if they thought for a second maybe we could it got took, this life sucks unless you choose to just love you and not care. Tell it like it is or loose. If they want them they will have only they know, bless them both with lots of happiness

[@dillonelsadobrev1420]

threesno bingka 😂

[@aaronfung2976]

H E T E R O P H O B I A

[@amandamatos6703]

Almost thrown up

[@kukimusic80]

My theory is that Lauren isn't bisexual she's a lesbian and so is Camilla. She never really said she was bi until she was caught kissing a girl and when that happened had to say she was bi (probably by her label) because if she came out as a lesbian then all her PR relationships would be exposed and her label feared that her being gay wouldn't make her as marketable. This is very homophobic but that's how the industry is. I think Camilla has been smarter about her gayness because she really never comes out to be in relationships with men,

[@jessicam.3135]

Nad Na Or maybe she's just bi? Lmao

[@rjemo625]

Nad Na bisexual exists sis.

[@shilpabhabhor5767]

ha nim 😂😂 of course they do

[@kirascreamo7626]

Nad Na dont label people like that

[@sandraghitan6383]

Who is Camilla? I only know a camila

[@manuxavier]

I’m crying

[@ThePhilosophicGamer]

I feel like the Camren shippers ruined a friendship that was so fucking beautiful and throwing hate at their friends that they have known all their life because you want them together is just messed up we get it you want Lauren and Camila to be together but they would've confirmed they're relationship if you wouldn't have constantly made it awkward for them to actually be friends and hang out and maybe come out but look what the fandom has done, you have thrown Camila Cabello her second best choice to actually fall in love and you know who that is...... Shawn Mendes and yeah all you shawmila shippers dreams are coming true and you know why cause they waited, yeah they waited for them to be thrown together by a song or anything or anyone and the Camren fandom wouldn't stop so do you see what happens to people who wait.... They get what they want and Camila is falling in love and I can actually see it so Camren fandom its time to do something we have no patience for which is wait..... I know i know we hate waiting but just joined this fandom last year and im like wow yall really have no fucking chill or patience so yall need to wait cauae if you do something good will come in store for all of us and I mean that shit.☺☺☺😉😉😉

[@stephanieferrera1559]

Camren was real. It's always been real. And yea I do believe that extreme camren shippers destroy whatever was going on between them.

[@totallylost8696]

It doesn't make sense that extreme Camren shippers destroyed whatever they had, you know. You don't let your world control by the public. Watch our twitter channel, it's possible to hide whenever you want to. See e.g. this Gigi Hadid comment: twitter.com/TotallyLost4You/status/1158132726345687041 So if the extreme shippers already destroyed Camren, why should Camila walk into a battlefield like Shawmila!? And if ShawMila is PR - as so many people believe ... why do they both need a PR relationship?!? Maybe because they have something to hide?! If the extreme Camren Shippers destroyed Camren why did ShawMila tell the world they are dating after one day of dating? No one would have found out ... they could have had a happy behind the scenes relationship for month ... but yeah, they are promoting the shit out of this relationship...

[@MelissaDeCastro768]

There are a lot of Camren videos out there and man it didn't disappoint like I know one of them is really into some feelings but the other one keeps on resisting.. They're just afraid of what people might think or say.. I'm still hoping for their friendship to bloom again..

[@hrowens33]

Wasn't expecting Blanche - City Lights in this. Boss song choice.

[@totallylost8696]

It's an amazing song, isn't it? :)

[@speeeee35]

What's weird though is like with Larry it was noticeable they were touching and stuff bc guy friends just typically don't act that way.... but girls ALWAYS touch and hug each other like, I'm just saying two girls holding hands doesn't mean they're dating..... two guys holding hands probably does.... and if you disagree you're in denial... I mean... think about it

[@totallylost8696]

Mostly girls who touch each other like Camren used to be are at least bi. Maybe they hide it. Most bi people label themself as straight but they kissed girls at some point in their life. It seems like this gets "normal" in this generation at least in Europe. That's sad when you're really gay and you fall in love with someone who sends you with his/her touches and gestures "wrong expectations".

[@hufflepuffxxxx]

They will come back together at least as friends, I just know it

[@totallylost8696]

Yes, in our hearts :)

[@amarisashleywb5371]

Okay, I'll admit I did ship camren for a while. I honestly did ship it with no shame at all but now I find it invasive, and delusional. They were so young and still are and still finding themselves Lauren wasn't in acceptance of her sexuality and Camila was just shy and so innocent in the beginning and maybe the other girls helped her overcome that but she might've felt that Lauren was there for her more and it just was a close friendship maybe at one time they had feelings for each other but he camren thing made it hard for them to share it with each other which led to them beginning to be distant in interviews and then Camila leaving the group.

[@miahdonnelly7337]

They're just helping to stop to Camren thing. Like do they think we're stupid. You can see it it's not hard to notice. Especially when it's done Infront of camera. No normal friends eye each other like that.

[@channelk9355]

The chemistry was there I honestly think it was The labels fault because I’m pretty sure early on they knew that Cameron was real but they just didn’t want it out because they were probably scared of what the public would think and place Lauren or Camila probably just wasn’t ready. when she camila left i think that all the girls KNEW SHE WAS LEAVING . bc after she left and kinda around the time they were about to release their album , lauren has collab. dinah has a collab , everyone just start collabing and i seen a tweet on a 5hxcc fan page and it was a tweet from a fan that had put all the cover art ft’s from all the girl in a collab and had put “communication” all the band members har like it (its on ig somewhere). also how they canceled their aussie tour just to be at the latin amas were they were on stage for a total of like 10 sec just for promo (4 their album and for camz too).

[@itaroken]

2:03 where is that whole radio interview segment from? that says a lot about the girls

[@totallylost8696]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/h37Whnpqfp2VeLs

[@bedhed9569]

itaroken Yeah, Lauren already knew she was bi, as she's said so many times, but she was hiding it because, in her own words, she was scared. So we can safely dismiss all she said before she publicly came out Because it was obviously not true.

[@BittersweetSeriesNL]

hey i was randomly watching camren vids and i found u here hahhaa

[@itaroken]

SHIT ive been found lmao also i sent you the link to the radio interview segment so u obvs didn't watch it #offended jk

[@Charadepinot]

Honestly, i think Lauren and Camilla are just good friends and Lauren is just one of those people that get touchy-feely (like me). I always hug my friends and hold them but i don't have an attraction to them. I just like the feeling of being close to someone and i think Lauren/Camilla are like that to

[@dreyaganuelas3281]

sis needs to work on her whispering lmao "CAMREN LIKE LESBIANS" hahaha

[@totallylost8696]

Haha, yes, C's cousine needs to learn to whisper ... haha.

[@amandamiller2838]

Watch their moods on social media, Shawn and Camila act like friends playing the part of lovers, but maybe its just me but I highly doubt you become that close and just forget about each other, not to mention they don't live that far away from each other. Also Camila has said she doesn't like PDA and likes to keep her love life private I believe they have kept in touch and Shawn, his boo, Lauren and Camila are all in this together but I wish they could support each other without having some drama attached to it, you want to see everyone win and be happy not fake for more money. Also I find it highly coincidental that Camila and Shawn are seen riding bikes and what the next day Lauren gets a new bike... we're not delusional because you said it yourself everything on social media is fake, it's a fake box. These two girls are at least friends and if they are together we will never hear about it because they have become ninjas towards hiding any time they spend together, remember Camila talks about sneaking out in LA, celebrities get really good at showing you what they want to show you.

[@totallylost8696]

Yes, maybe that's true. We'll never know. Unfortunately. Maybe you also watched our newer Camren videos on this account? We have one with our opinion about the situation - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJfUm62Fa7ylncU - and not a lot changed for us because of Yawn, as you can see in our Crack Humor Videos.

[@tonyjonns5315]

1:38 everyone's like why TF did you ask that and Dinah's like: YEP!!!

[@totallylost8696]

Legendary. Still wonder why they cut away after 1 second. Haha.

[@tonyjonns5315]

@@totallylost8696 Dinah blurted out "heck yes"

[@trinityescobar469]

All I wish is that they could be the bestest friends again 😔

[@totallylost8696]

That would be great if they'd step out as public best friends! :)

[@strawberryjpeg6000]

I feel sorry for them because they were obviously in love and all the crazy shipping made it so real for both of them that they couldn’t tell the truth and be free esp after Lauren came out. Lauren on “love and care about....if it was actually someone that they actually are” :(

[@diamond8858]

Ik I’m late but this honestly makes me sad that the people who shipped camren the most thought they was doing something and improving Lauren’s and Camila relationship but little do they know they was destroying the relationship because number one Lauren at first didn’t want people know to she was bisexual and for like to all the shippers to put it out there and I feel like they secretly knew she wasn’t ready if she wasn’t mentioning it.Also the fact that on every sing tour our ready there’s always like 20 people commenting or shouting camren.But I’m not gonna lie I was a camren shipper but I wasn’t delusional like all the other shippers like half of them but the way that I shipped them was friends just like Dinah and Normani that’s how I shipped them.Aslo I felt bad because I actually had a girl bestfriend and people kept shining us on insta and snap and stuff like that and it was getting tiered so we decided to go our own separate ways because if we didn’t then it could of been way worse because as I’m posting with new people I still see our ship name in the comments so I know how they felt when all the camren shippers were out there doing that especially when they take it to far And it comes to stuff when they have to separate but that’s not the only reason they could of possibly split up also.So that’s main of the real reasons I don’t ship people together bc who knows what it could form into. And for me to lose like the best bestfriend I had I don’t want that to happen to any other bestfriend who are close like that so if you see this please don’t ship bestfriends who are really close like that because losing someone you really had a good connection with is the worst pain over.But it’s also the fact that the shippers will get so hype over one little hug they will do or accidentally kissed you shouldn’t be assuming because that can really changed something that you had a relationship for 4,5,6 years and that’s the worst pain that I ever felt and I know they felt it to so I just don’t want anyone to get hurt 😞also by the way she couldn’t even try to date or do anything with camila because she was taken by ty and she said if herself that she is a loyal person to the people she date

[@totallylost8696]

That's a sad story. Sorry for you. Honestly we don't know why you gave strangers the power to destroy your friendship. You don't have to post pictures on instagram, facebook or anywhere else with your friends if you don't like the shipping. Turn off comments if you don't like them. Or delete your social media accounts. Unless you are a famous person, there is no need for it. If you're famous, you have a social media team and you can ignore all of it as well. NOT ONE SINGLE STRANGER WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO DESTROY ANY FRIENDSHIP THAT WE EVER HAD. Are strangers often annoying? Yes! See Lucy. She is the hell annoyed because crazy-CS still see her as PR girlfriend of Lauren and comment it on a daily basis on her social media accounts. That's SICK of the people. But they would never have the power to destroy our self esteem or friendships. If you really want your best friend back, get your best friend back. If they destroyed the friendship because you had feelings but the other person didn't ... it wasn't the strangers fault that you gave up on the friendship. Sorry but that is really a strange story and we can't relate. There is a world outside of social media. For Lauren and Camila. We know about 5 % of their lives, as they said themself. Or as Taylor Swift said: We only see what they want us to see. Do you really think a person with a few millions can't hide from the public? LOL!

[@sostoic]

I'm always going to ship Camren, but as long as they're happy with whoever they're with, I'm happy as well. I'll wait until the end of my days to get the answer we've all waited for. Until then, I'll love them unconditionally.

[@totallylost8696]

Answer to what? 😜 Honestly I don't hope that we get an answer soon because I think that they would probably only start to talk about their past if it wold be over. They would or could (if they would want) sink our ship forever, it would be easy for them. They keep us floating, that's good for us. Delusional greets.

[@yumeiloveaihara6324]

Yah, I see that, shipping them too much is one of the reason why their amazing friendship destroyed.😞

[@totallylost8696]

You should really watch our Crack humor videos to cheer you up :D kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5jIqn-sbctld5Y

[@altounedited3]

Can we just worry about the music and not their sexuality? I mean...it doesn't matter and all this "proof" is making everything worse...yeah, I was delusional asf, but if they're happy, that's amazing and that's all that matters😊😊😊

[@harriethe3rd327]

Well said .... where's the tripple like button

[@saralyu1632]

What are you trying to say man...

[@ramennoodles8923]

NOT A HATE COMMENT SO IF YOU THINK YOU WILL GET TRIGGERED PLEASE READ AT YOUR OWN RISK: A lot of people have taken their friendship way too far, I mean I'm not hating but I feel like they have drifted apart and they cant feel the same way about each other because of Camren. I'm really sorry if I offended anyone reading this but I had to say it because people have taken way too far up to the point that it made them both uncomfortable, I mean they had to deny it many times but people just had to keep going at it. Like seriously we have to respect their love life and we shouldn't be invasive. I WARNED YOU SO PLEASE DO NOT HATE ON ME.

[@totallylost8696]

It's your opinion and it's your choice to think this way. Nevertheless I don't believe that it was the CS´ fault because they NEVER told us to stop shipping them until Lauren's stupid tweet "it was never real... ever" happened. Lauren has born more Camren shippers than she killed on the day of her tweet. C+L told the CS not to attack people around them! They asked for respect for their private friends and surrounding. Some CS are just crazy how they overdid it. Some people need to chill the f ** out! Larry Stylinson (Harry + Louis ) still have fun or they are proud of each other when they get asked about the other half in interviews. That's how it should be, Other OTPs laughed away the relationship rumours. Camren never did that. Larry once said that the shipping of the fans "took away the vibe between them" but it didn't kill their friendship, they are still public friends (and some believe more) until today. We - the 5H fandom - get told the fairytail about the girls that they hate each other now. THEY (their teams!) should respect the fandom and let THEM tell the truth. That's all that I want. How can we ever trust the girls again after we got told so many lies? That's shitty for the longtime fans.

[@mheljazzbarataman270]

please Lauren if you love her.don't push your self to them.because i love Camila.

[@MinecraftHoran87]

i think something definitely was going on but honestly i don’t think it still is

[@manjusingha9435]

I dont know about the relationship but there was definately some connection in between them and they even can't deny it if they also watch these videos and i will not push it on their face but will forever be a camren shipper cause it was really beautiful and pure whtever they had❤

[@totallylost8696]

yes, it was .... :)

[@cenizas_moradas]

My heart is broken... I'm so sorry Lauren. #StopCamren.

[@totallylost8696]

Wrong channel but you can spread Lauren's message everywhere else. If we'd believe Lauren's own words, we would have stopped shipping Camren years ago.

[@cenizas_moradas]

@@totallylost8696 i know...

[@annashak5916]

The only reason why people still talk about them is because we see the way that they look at each other. They clearly had something going on that they didn’t want the public to know about. The body language, the eye contact, the way they were expressing themselves. They were into it; giving people a reason to think they had something more than a friendship. People wouldn’t be mentioning it if wasn’t for all the obvious signs. Let’s not forget lauren couldn’t come out, her management warned her which sucks. Camila had chemistry with Lauren I can still see it, now that Camila is with shawn there doesn’t seem to be any chemistry. Regardless of what happens I just want them to be happy in their own skin and not think about what society wants.

[@totallylost8696]

Yeah, we want them to be happy as well. Neverthless it''s still interesting how easy it is to connect their songs to each other. We don't even know who Lauren's "Burning" could be about if not ...

[@srini2395]

I didn't understand, who loves actually, Lauren did anything wrong?

[@nadinelima6481]

Idk, i have reaaaally tried many times to look at them as just friends, especially bc everytime they denied it sounded honest but the chemistry, the interactions, the mentions to 'a secret' relationship, the indirects and even the others 3 girls reactions SCREAMS that something was going on. I also don't think we can say camren shippers ruined whatever it was bc lauren and camila always seemed to live in their own little world so i don't think the shipping thing had too much impact in their relationship. BUT it definitely had impact on Lauren's behavior about that, you can see she becomes really anxious when the subject comes up and she gets angry and denial as fast as she can (honestly something that makes me suspicious because she used to get like that when she denied liking women) and probably that was the reason why even after she came out as bi she never wanted to expose it if it was real (plus that fuckers on management that always forced them to hide everything) bc otherwise i think camila would be cool with it. Well, I really miss them together 😩

[@totallylost8696]

That's a very sweet comment, thank you for that. We miss them together as well.

[@nadinelima6481]

@@totallylost8696 Yeah ❤ Thank you too for the video, it's rare to find someone who ships camren but has a realistic vision so it's really nice and relieving to realize that more people like me exists, wish we could've more 😅

[@totallylost8696]

@@nadinelima6481 Yeah but we're not alone. Especially on tumblr you'll find very great CS blogs. On twitter it's also possible to find CS. One of us is here twitter.com/totallylost4you on twitter. Over the years it just became harder to keep the ship alive because of the obvious reasons. Sometimes even we have our doubts about it. We created a video ("If Camren is not real...") to show exactly why we believe in Camren. And the mentioned point of view didn't change because of Yawn. ... link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJfUm62Fa7ylncU

[@nadinelima6481]

@@totallylost8696 I honestly don't know if they still together but i think I will be forever here waiting for them to say/show us something about it even tho right now I wait more in silence just to see that maybe if there's less people talking about it in social media they think it's chill enough to come out 🤷🏻‍♀️ And if there's one thing that will never make me change my point of view is S**** this shit doesn't scare me AT ALL hahaha its clearly just to spread the rumors that camila is gay, even ewmila seemed more real. I will be watching the video and looking for the accounts, thank you again 🥰

[@totallylost8696]

@@nadinelima6481 we'll probably never know :( see the spice girls .... the love affair between mel b and geri. but let's hope for the best. btw we also have crack humor videos on this channel about camren and their boys. in one we used a clip of matt's colleagues who said on live radio that mattmila might be fake.... just sayin.... lol

[@natalyalindo982]

They were definitely best friends, or had some type of soul connection

[@totallylost8696]

For us it seems like it as well.

[@jaystevens2258]

I agree that some people took it way too far

[@xxshift4teamcapxx69]

It's sad that people put them in disgusting situations like that. I ship it but like on a healthy level. Everyone sees they are uncomfortable. So why make it worse if you are 'Fans'. I can actually relate to this kind of situation though. I ended up completely getting rid of my ex-best friend because I came out as pansexual. And people thought it was ok to tell her, while her being a straight girl, disgusting things about me. I never wanted our friendship to end. But that's what happens when you tell the world your secrets. So if you so called 'ship' them. Do it at a comforting amount. Don't break their friendship. All love to Camren!!! Be what YOU want. Bff's, Love interests, acquaintances, or strangers you see on the street. Don't let ignorance get the best of you. And sing your hearts out!!!😊☺🤗😍❤💓💔💕💖💗💝💞💟

[@totallylost8696]

Well said! :)

[@AnaLima-zs2zz]

What camren shippers aren't paying attention is that this is how latin people treats each other, you know, they hug a lot, they likes to be closer (most of them). Maybe Camila and Lauren were attracted to each other, but maybe they were only showing some friendship affection. And all of these things helped with the marketing of the group somehow.

[@totallylost8696]

True that.

[@yourstruly9532]

If Camren wasn’t real then I do this the Camren shippers destroyed Lauren’s and Camila friendship but on the other hand if Camren is real then no I don’t think they destroyed there friendship #camrenisreal

[@totallylost8696]

#camrenisreal

[@multicelebstatus6120]

I still ship them in 2020

[@totallylost8696]

You are not alone :)

[@multicelebstatus6120]

@@totallylost8696 hey I just wanna say I still ship them

[@reversecabello967]

It was real but they never wanted to confirm it or at least they did but those were times that they forgot about leading to crazy ass camren shippers

[@totallylost8696]

I know. I saw a lot of videos. I know that it's probably not for their best to upload Camren videos but at least I tried to show with this video both sides of the story.

[@reversecabello967]

Totally Lost its totally fine your fine

[@indowestasianmusic1375]

I understand their friendship and why it caused such a havoc. Yes they definitely had that air around them but honestly speaking, I never felt they were a couple really. Before you kill me, let me explain please. Lauren and Camila's personalities fit each other very well. Camila was not strong when she got into the industry. She was innocent almost to a fault and lacked the strength to speak up when she wanted to. She constantly got overpowered. She didn't have enough self confidence either. It always looked like she was looking for something. Something, to just hold on to for some support and to help her find her lost strength within. Lauren turned out be just that in the form of a best friend to her. That's all that was there to it tbh. Lauren helped clear the way for her to learn to stand on her own feet and walk her own path. She slowly began discovering it. Lauren is good at speaking up and speaking her mind. She has just the right amount of aggression in her personality and something about her radiates a strange sense of groundedness. Lauren was like a dark force (not a bad force) and Camila is all Light. People easily feel that about Camila, hence the nickname ' Angel/Fairy '. They could give each other some of each other that they needed the most. They are definitely what people generally call *_soulmates_* in today's language. But I'm sorry, it wasn't anything more than that. Trust me.

[@totallylost8696]

That's very well written. No one kills you for your great opinion! I praise you for your honesty in a comment board full of other opinions! Neverthless I would love to have my soulmate as my lovepartner as well 😜 Ok, if you don't like the same sex I would appreciate him/her as my best friend but it would be hard for my real partner to keep up with my soulmate. U know what I mean?

[@indowestasianmusic1375]

Totally Lost Thank you! And I completely understand what you mean. It is said, however, that we have many soulmates, like a few friends, a cousin, a mother etc. But I hope for you to find your twin flame in your partner. They are said to be each other's missing halves. It's a sweet story ^.^ and no I have nothing against the same sexes being together (if that's what you meant) I'd be happy for whoever finds love. 'Cause that's a miracle. ♥

[@dreamgirl-kf1yw]

I 100% agree, however I don't think saying 'that's *all* there was to it' is right. I think friendships can be just as strong and important as romantic relationships! Anywho, this comment accurately sums it up, I just wish it could go through to slightly delusional Camren shippers.

[@jamcollano5192]

Plus they are Cancer and Pisces. Their star signs is a perfect match! 💘

[@nabszains]

preach, they were just friends and the rare kind where you find someone who's personality and choices are same as yours and it's kinda like a sisterhood and they've referred to each others as sisters often, it's really sad that the shippers and management fuck up turned laur bitter towards the friendship

[@PATDkiid]

There is always non-sexual chemistry in girl friendships. Girls are touchy feely naturally when they're really close to someone! I see it all around me with girls who are best friends. Girls hold hands and cuddle and it's just friendship. Even I'm bisexual. And I have had female best friends and we'd be just like these two and I wouldn't be attracted to them at all! Like honestly! I believe hugs and cuddles and kisses on cheeks are lovely ways to show affection to the people you love but they are in no way sexual. And it's really gross to assume that.

[@totallylost8696]

I think that there is a too small line between friendship and Camren. You should also watch my video "Camren is real" ;)

[@Arinanotmarina]

3:16 I’ve never seen this clips but it’s the best!

[@totallylost8696]

sry to disappoint you. that's not lauren it's a fan. we fall for a fake camren version of this clip :((

[@Arinanotmarina]

Totally Lost I get that.. that always twist things. Thanks tho!

[@cassachi9347]

I'll be happy if they are together. Love them both but they have the image to protect of course we have to understand.

[@maku636]

I believe they liked each other (all the lingering looks and touches and the expressions of their faces are hard to deny) but they were never together. Maybe they felt that their feelings were unrequited and it might get awkward so neither of them went for it. Lauren struggling with her sexuality might also be another factor. But for sure the attraction was there, because body language. And i think the attraction was never gone. Remember in 2016 on stage, when Lauren was singing the chorus of Dope and she was really near Camila and was facing her while she sang? Camila was so flustered and she was really trying to suppress her smile. And she also mouthed the lyrics wrong probably because she was caught off guard 😂 that was 2016, Camila's last year in the group, and there were still signs that she was attracted to Lauren. Maybe the chance of them dating already died long ago but the attraction didn't go to the grave with it. So it's sad that all that chemistry was for nothing, because they would've been so beautiful together, but i think they used to really really like each other. They just never confessed so it was never real...ever. They're moving on with their lives now though and they're happy so lets just move on with them too and wish them true love and long lasting happiness.

[@totallylost8696]

Watch my next video, it will be released next week ... :)

[@konanakatsuki983]

My opinion is that Camren was real but in the past. And something happen in the relationship of Camila and Lauren that made them break apart. My theory is that Lauren or Camila made something real hurtful in their relationship. Yesterday I saw a new about the new boyfriend that Camila Cabello has.

[@angelfromvu539]

At the very least (if they weren't dating) something had to happen between them while they weren't on screen. And i think Camila just couldnt hold it in but lauren always was the one who made sure camila never said anything she wasnt supposed to

[@totallylost8696]

Camren was always real in our hearts :)

[@totallylost8696]

5:15 - "my muse" or how does Camila name Lauren? Can you help me? :)

[@piaazcuna8535]

Totally Lost I think I heard My Muse/ My Moose too😂lol. I think she just call her Lauren. While Lauren calls Camila "Camz" "Babe" or sometimes "princess"--I think😂

[@piaazcuna8535]

Totally Lost great video btw😊

[@marisa4922]

Totally Lost this reminds me of her Bio on tumblr it says " I am but a lowly instrument to the muses" lol

[@totallylost8696]

thank you :)

[@marinelagaleano4042]

they had a love relationship they were in love and they still are and they lived their love

[@totallylost8696]

At least in our hearts Camren is real.

[@artsenal714]

I believe that in a group of people there’s always one person you get closer with, because you connect more. As soon as 5H was formed, Camila and Lauren were that person to each other and eventually they formed a strong bond. Maybe they had a relationship, maybe they hooked up once or maybe they were just very close intimate friends. However whatever they had, it was destroyed by Camren shippers who took things to far. As Lauren said she was young and still figuring out her sexuality so seeing harmonizers doing photoshops of her with Camila, writing fan fictions and talking about it on Twitter had a negative effect on her. Lauren deep down knew she wasn’t straight but the fans were practically forcing her to coming out of the closet before she was ready.

[@totallylost8696]

That's maybe correct BUT let's take a closer look at your theory: Do you know Juliantina? Juliantina / Barbarena = two girls getting worldwide shipped as a couple after playing a lesbian couple on a mexican TV show. Long story short: They have a lot of self-esteem, they love and support their ship. It grows and grows. They send each other almost love-letters over social media. And to the ship members. They don't let their friendship ruin by people who can't see their boyfriends. Those who can't differ between love and friendship. They don't let their friendship affect by those who ship them as couple. They are just cool with it. They even make jokes about it. What did Camren do as soon as they got shipped as couple? They locked themself down. Didn't comment each others postings anymore. No more cuddling pictures. Why the Juliantina example? If you don't have something to hide, you don't change your behaviour in a friendship. For no one. You don't let your world rule by strangers.

[@artsenal714]

Totally Lost Camila and Lauren knew about the Camren ship way before they distance themselves from each other. The Camren shippers just took it to far and made them feel uncomfortable. I’m not saying that Camren is real or fake but I think whatever they had wether was love or friendship it was destroyed by the harmonizers.

[@totallylost8696]

@@artsenal714 Why would they feed the Camren fandom until today if it is such a cruel, bad thing to them? That would be sadistic! They could kill this fanship with one interview. One video where they both sit down and explain the whole story, everything that happened. All I remember is Lauren saying that it's not real. Honestly, that's what all closeted people do/say to protect their relationship. You don't have to be famous to do so. Plus Lauren also said that she doesn't smoke, that she's not a lesbian or bisexual ... she still smokes and came out as bisexual .... so what? Why Camila+Lauren don't talk about Camren to make it go away once and for all? Camren is their best PR (marketing). Camren is a HUGE brand. So either they have to keep this brand alive to sell their songs or Camren is real. You chose the first option, we still believe in the second option. We believe in the good in people, we believe in love. It's okay for us that you believe that our favorites are very huge queerbaiters. You don't let your life / friendship destroy by people who take online shipping way too far or scream at your concerts. You ignore mean people who are wrong. Normally it makes your friendship even stronger to fight against something wrong. Or was it never "wrong"? You can complain about it but you could also destroy it with kindness. Not bitterness, as Lauren did. Bitterness comes from another place. So we have to agree to disagree with you.

[@artsenal714]

Totally Lost Ok two things. First I never talked about Camren being just a brand or a marketing strategy. Also I never denied Camren, I’m just saying that if they had a romantic relationship in the past, it was destroyed by the shippers. And second even if they did an interview explaining why Camren is not real and telling all the story, you guys wouldn’t buy it and would still believe in Camren. Both Camila and Lauren denied Camren dozen of times and people still believe in it.

[@totallylost8696]

C7F5C 97 >>>if they had a romantic relationship in the past, it was destroyed by the shippers. >Both Camila and Lauren denied Camren dozen of times and people still believe in it.

[@connietalley9355]

Also been reading about One Direction .. And the problems Simon was dealing with both groups ...

[@noface9045]

Its hard to admit in Public you know. But Camila already talked about this in her 2017 interview with Power FM "I'm kind of in love even if it is no a relationship. But I've learned that...all you need to do..is just love HER"

[@totallylost8696]

I think that you mix up a few interviews? :) I think that I used a part of your mentioned power fm interview in my last video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3WzmqJ8br-WhpY

[@ysabelle3122]

i agree with the last one and yes it WAS real but the overly extreme shippers thats making every moment of camila n lauren a camren thing when all they ever did was live there lives and i ship n my heartbeats faster when i think or watch camren but i dont mention it i just keep the thoughts in mind hoping it would be heard and back then (2013-2014) when camren was a secret but then some shippers started spreading n spreading which made some extreme and hardcore shippers made lauren n camila akward and stuffies like that and i just cant stand the fact that lauren is trying to deny it when she accidentally leaked it herself this was the scenario a fan made a video of camren syncronizing and a fan said "nahh this is some magical shit" and lauren replied "nahh its some real shit watch closely" even tho she keeps denying camren she legit leaked it herself and damn many scenarios that accidentally made her leak it so like lauren is the raged one since she is legit bi which i myself is bi too and camila is chill since like she loves lauren but its only my opinion so dont hate and please also state urs down below :) and hopefully the boat that sank once would float by the captains

[@totallylost8696]

Yes, we all still love them, but don't spread fake news, stay at the facts :) Lauren tweeted: Pay attention to the synchronicity. Pay attention to the signs. A fan posted a Camren video and wrote: The synchronicity Stranger: This is some Illuminati shit 😂 Lauren answered both: Nah it's some real shit, pay attention We want it to be about Camren of course ...

[@gachadose6214]

camren is real...i dont know but....THEIR FRIENDSHIP IS SOO FRICKING PERFECT😟😟❤️❤️❤️

[@totallylost8696]

True that. Camren is real in our hearts :)

[@Moonlight-tc6nw]

This is the best camren video i've seen

[@totallylost8696]

Wow, thank you for your compliment! I've a few more on my channel, maybe you want to watch them as well ... :)

[@priyabandi8219]

After reading all the comments I realised that "Camren is real with windows down" a little sacrifice for career is not that bad 😀

[@totallylost8696]

Camren is real in our hearts! :)

[@Mellyburr]

Why don’t they address it once and for all. Like, a straight up direct answer. From both of them. It would clear things up especially

[@totallylost8696]

a) It's the best PR they ever had. b) Lauren said often that it's NOT real. c) We agree 100 %. We also wrote the same sentence a lot of times over the last years. If they are annoyed, they could say it out loud TOGETHER. No one believes Lauren and she is the one who said it out loud (see point b). If Camila would say "guys, stop it, I am happy with the super creepy guy and I was never in love with Lauren" ... maybe 50 % would stop to ship them, haha. Ok, in the end all but at the moment only 50 %. Haha. >> That's why no one can tell us that they are completely annoyed by this ship.

[@Mellyburr]

Aghhh I wish it was simple but unfortunately that’s not how life works. Humans, such complicated creatures we are

[@totallylost8696]

@@Mellyburr Guess so :( Maybe you wanna follow us on twitter, we post about the dark side of the music industry and Camren: twitter.com/TotallyLost4You

[@connietalley9355]

I liked the speech.....when she talked about being a young girl the expectations....oh how she should act ....I found it interesting ....I've also been watching the videos about there label and things that have been said about Lauren and Camila...its very interesting ...

[@totallylost8696]

twitter.com/TotallyLost4You - we collect stories about closeted musicians who came out on our twitter acc. But we also post about Camren and music industry issues. And yes, Columbia Record has a remarkable history, lol.

[@totallylost8696]

PS: E.g. this video is almost legendary: twitter.com/TotallyLost4You/status/1082027231394910212

[@totallylost8696]

But take the time to scroll till the end on our timeline, haha. It's worth it :)

[@connietalley9355]

I watched to the end ...did you want me to read all the comments...I want to be clear I do not care for Ty At All .. I look at the pictures of him.looking at lauren ...lost is not love

[@totallylost8696]

@@connietalley9355 Everyone is allowed to believe what he/she wants. We are not here to judge other opinions.

[@gurke2033]

I think camren shippers really killed there friendship and that’s so sad I think it’s very painful for them that they had to leave each other but they were both hurt and I think the word camren brings them so much pain , that could be one of the reasons why camila felt so lonely and had to leave 5h and Maby one of the reasons that they unfollowed eachother because it Hurd her sm and if you want to come over stuff you have to delete everything that had smt to with them

[@totallylost8696]

Sorry to write this but WE THINK THAT this is bullshit. It's okay because it's your opinion but we have a totally different one. Do you seriously think that two girls who are best friends give a shit about what the public says about them? We would give a shit, make fun of it and tell at each possible event that we're just good friends but we love our ship. They said in WEIRD ways that Camren is not real because their friends got attacked by weirdo CS. But why not drown this ship once and for all? It would be easy for them, trust us ... so either they still use this fandom for PR or they are still friends. But you can have your opinion of course ...

[@reversecabello967]

The beginning of fifth harmony they had feelings for each other but when camila was about to leave it just wasnt working anymore.

[@totallylost8696]

Good for you if you think this way. It's hard to be still delusional :)

[@reversecabello967]

Totally Lost laurens with ty though so why would she be with camila

[@swankeyracoon5957]

For some reason I feel like we're the one that kinda made them feel mad or awkward around each other because we're matching people up and that time Lauren was trying to see if she was bisexual and I can kinda fee the pressure from her side because people are saying stuff that aren't true/true in life.I feel like it was our fault for doing this to them.

[@totallylost8696]

"Whatever happened" was not our fault. There are a lot of shipped couples who make fun of this situation because they are just friends. Camren never made jokes about their ship. There are not tausends of delusional people out there for no reason ... of course a lot of Camren shippers crossed the line ... that's what happens with crazy fans but not every Camren shipper crosses the line and is crazy ...

[@BeHappy_007]

Seems they are good friends that time..they are grown up womens now. They can decide their life by their own brain. If Lauren and camila end up together feel and bless them. If camila and shawn bless them too.🦋🦋🦋🦋

[@lucasorlando99]

I definitely think they dated

[@juletailleur]

I think the secret behind Camren is that there’s a lot of us LESBIANS 🙌🏻 that once had that kind of relationship ! You know that kind where you genuinely fall in love with your best friend and since you’re a girl you get to spend time with your “friend” whenever you want ! Buuuut it’s a secret relationship nobody can know ! And here’s the deal they’re superstar so the secret is hard to keep and we relate to that story cause we also lived it and it happens all the time ! That’s why it was real, because it just happens, cause it’s the universe and you can’t control it.

[@noface9045]

Lauren statement was March2017, 3months after Camila left 5H maybe it was so hurtful for Lauren that time... So she shade in that way

[@totallylost8696]

They are like puppets on a string, who knows what is real and what is staged. Watch this video and you know what I am talking about: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rn6VgIKsateBlaM

[@marksnyder5319]

The tweet was two days before my birthday 😊 aka also when zayn left one direction March 25 my BIRTHDAY I cried so hard