Can a baritone sing high? Should your vocal type (fach) limit you on pop and rock?

Can a baritone sing high?
How much does vocal fach (type) really matters on contemporary style of singing?
Vocal fach can define which range you're the most resonant, very important for singing classical music acoustically over a loud orchestra.
But in pop and rock, you can abuse techniques such as mixed voice, head voice, vocal fry, whistle register, overtones, undertones and such in order to sing with your full extended range no matter your vocal type.
With a good microphone, preamp, compressor, saturation and EQ the voice can sound huge and cut through a loud wall of guitars even outside the most resonant range of your vocal fach.
don't let your vocal fach define what you can sing, don't be limited by it, sing whatever you want with the proper techniques!
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[@ramanspeedballof930]

Voice types, or "vocal fuck"

[@LeoMaiaProg]

What the fach

[@brennendehexe7934]

Thats especially funny if youre german. 😂 but the 'ch' sound in german is probably as impossible for others as the 'th' in english is for me

[@christianweatherbroadcasti3491]

Repent and trust in Jesus. We all deserve Hell for our sins, such as lying lusting coveting and more. We can't save ourselves, but Jesus can save us. He died on the cross to save us for our sins and rose from the grave defeating death and Hell. You must put your faith in him only. He is the only way to Heaven. Repent and trust in Jesus. Romans 6:23 John 3:16❤😊❤❤

[@ramanspeedballof930]

@@christianweatherbroadcasti3491 sorry, I'm gonna trust in myself, my family, and my friends, instead of some guy who lived 2000 years ago in middle east.

[@johneduardoctavianoiv9749]

😅

[@laptopstudy3279]

the fact that u can sing those high notes consistently video after video means you have no vocal damage at all thus you must have insanely good technique.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I used to lose my voice over yelling and improper techniques, and also wouldn't get past G4 or A4 in a good day, but now it's definitely much more consistent and effortless since I'm at lower volume using tons of head voice!

[@deiu7570]

@@LeoMaiaProg Bro... I’m literally struggling with reaching G4 and A4 as well rn, how did you pass those steps?? I’m so curious!

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@deiu7570 the entire channel is full of short videos describing the key for that Most important thing was to stop neglecting my head voice, stop thinking I could do these things on "chest" and allowing myself to sing thinner

[@deiu7570]

@@LeoMaiaProg listen, after writing that comment i watched all your short video... I think you just unlocked my mixed voice... I can't explain how happy I am right now!! Next week i have a lesson with my vocal coach and i'll ask her if it is actually mixed voice or I'm just getting crazy 😂 In both cases you made me realize something new, so, big support from me dude!! Love you 🤘🏻

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@deiu7570 good luck!

[@Yking2077]

High baritone right here. I never limited myself to labels since. Very early when I started to learn how to sing I always wanted to sing my favorite songs. My first breakthrough was by being able to fully cover Dream On by Aerosmith.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

That's the spirit, the context where vocal fach matters is not the context of people on this channel (who likes contemporary singing)

[@Mo-xx9gg]

Great song!

[@someonewhowasnthere]

I faching love the word fach haha

[@LeoMaiaProg]

It's German!

[@andyshreds573]

Great stuff. As a high tenor myself, I think that baritones can definitely sing high. I guess the only difference is that tenors stay in chest voice higher up in the range and when we finally switch to head voice it feels less of a sudden shift cause our voices are lighter to begin with. But range wise I don't think they are many differences

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Thanks! With proper mixed voice and narrowing the vowels gradually it won't be noticeable regardless of the vocal type

[@muslimmetalman]

They're just deeper and Sexier sounding. So much more weight

[@christianweatherbroadcasti3491]

Repent and trust in Jesus. We all deserve Hell for our sins, such as lying lusting coveting and more. We can't save ourselves, but Jesus can save us. He died on the cross to save us for our sins and rose from the grave defeating death and Hell. You must put your faith in him only. He is the only way to Heaven. Repent and trust in Jesus. Romans 6:23 John 3:16❤😊❤❤

[@gretschplaya]

Wow you nailed those high notes. I’ve been trained in school as a bass/baritone, but now that I have private lessons, I’m getting more into the upper ranges of my voice. I’ve finally been able to solidly hit F5. Before I probably couldn’t even break A4 without trying to overdo it

[@LeoMaiaProg]

That's awesome! Yeah classical training will put you in a box where you fit in an opera setting and teach you to sing there, you wanna get out of it and at least for me it didn't provide me the right tools to do that cause they wouldn't sound like what classical singing would expect you to sound (with good reasons for that context, but hey, I always wanted to sing rock)

[@josephl6727]

In love being a baritone.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Such a wide range tbh

[@josephl6727]

@@LeoMaiaProg Yes, I agree. Just look at Chris Cornell.

[@-rockmusiclover-]

I'm a pretty low bass and I thought I couldn't sing high for a while, but I kept trying and eventually extended my range a bit, all it takes is practice.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Nice, cheers!

[@kacperhoowiecki7958]

Hey. What is the lowest note you can achieve in your chest voice and what is the highest note in your head voice? I am a bass an I can sing C2-C5

[@-rockmusiclover-]

@@kacperhoowiecki7958 I honestly don't know but if I had to guess I'd say C1-E3

[@kacperhoowiecki7958]

@@-rockmusiclover- Woow, you have really low bass (I would say subbas), nice. I'm like a tenor with you 😅

[@-rockmusiclover-]

@@kacperhoowiecki7958 We're both like sopranos compared to Geoff Castellucci, Tim Foust, and Avi Kaplan lol

[@ps2cscpp]

holy smokes, how did you do that?! I took some lesson in the past and when I was classified as baritone my entire enthusiasm for singing went to hell, I wanted to sing exactly as you showed in the last part!

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Vocal type is not range! I used mostly head voice in the high parts of metropolis on this video. Something like this: kzbin.infohekERdQLxBw?feature=share You will not see males singing with these techniques on classical settings, where vocal classification actually matters. So don't feel restricted due to your vocal fach! Use the contemporary techniques and rock out

[@xxmuddy]

This video serie is AMAZING. It addresses exactly my problems - eg. baritone needs singing power/prog metal above chest voice range (eg. between G4 an E5). I love this serie and I would be happy to see MUCH more and longer videos on the topic. This "mixing voice" topic is very confusing for me. I can go to G#4 with chest voice and scream from B4 to G5 with reinforced falseto (like Rob Halford kind of). But I cannot sing nothing between A4 to C5.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Yeah that sounds like where is as stuck a while ago In reality, you need to start mixing at around C4 if your voice is similar to mine, if you're carrying chest to G4 you're probably already straining, using too much volume and compression, stuck in a belt in that G4 already, and probably can't sing EEs and OOs Learning how to restart by singing lighter, finding that judas priest high voice and learning to connect it more smoothly with your chest voice, even if you start really soft just to learn the pathway, that's the first step to get away from this mode, gotta stop thinking "I need to take my chest higher" and abandon it earlier, even if you sound thin and bad for a little while until you learn to shape it I got a series on finding your breaks and using vowel modifications to bridge them, they are 2 videos, maybe it helps ya at least note down the pitches where you need to start changing the approach Also, there's one to detect if you're mixing or pulling chest that can probably also help you determine if you're approaching that E4-G4 area the right way And checkout Bohemia vocal studio channel with longer videos on the topic as it's one of the very few channels with real good information on this imo

[@docmcfly3933]

So, I quit smoking, and refined my technique. I realized that I'm somewhere between a Spinto Tenor and Lyric Tenor. I figured I could use this technique to extend my range in both directions. I kinda figured out how to lower and raise my larynx at will. Thanks for your help man. I will keep watching your videos simply because you're an inspiration.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Thanks man glad to hear you like the videos and find them inspiring! I think of larynx position as a consequence rather than cause. Like your larynx raises or drops during contemporary singing not because your are trying to actively use your muscles to raise or lower it, as that could cause strain and extra muscle engagement, but as a consequence of your placement, support, airflow, vowel choice and so on, so in my case not focusing on the larynx and ok these other aspects is what helped my larynx stop raising so much during for example high singing or lowering that much during low singing Cheers!

[@docmcfly3933]

@@LeoMaiaProg that actually makes a lot of sense. I'll definitely keep that in mind. I'll take extra special care from now on.

[@ne000]

Wow that sounds painful, yet powerful at the same time. I appreciate this because I could hit high notes, but never without a lot of concentration and struggle. Not sure what my voice type is yet, but that is definitely impressive what you did!

[@LeoMaiaProg]

This ain't painful at all! Just like singing in falsetto is not painful, this is mainly head voice. In not belting or screaming or yelling here -- that is the point, contemporary vocal techniques allow you to sing what you want and explore the fullness of your range including falsetto whisper fry etc... Which would not work properly in a classical opera setting (where fach really matters)

[@tarekwayne9193]

Haha I recognise that Metropolis PT. 1 line from anywhere 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Absolutely! I like to sing that song. Cheers

[@jasonvincent77]

Want to get my voice unlimited ❤ and thanks for the insight 🙏 ❤

[@LeoMaiaProg]

All the best! Cheers!

[@haniespanieldollis]

This is reassuring, I need to do karaoke more in order to get the hang with a microphone as singing in a room without any other noise makes me think my voice is more powerful or resonant

[@LeoMaiaProg]

It's usually the other way around, in a room without mic, compression, EQ, saturation etc is when your voice can't sit properly within the mix and gets swallowed by guitars Karaoke tho a lot of times don't have the frequencies of a full mix and is a watered down version of the song. Recording and mixing your voice into the song is the true way of hearing how it sits in the mix like the voices you hear on records Cheers

[@ExpertCobra-tn1vt]

I kinda wish I was a baritone just because I would like to have a darker tone when I sing but I’m pretty sure I’m a low tenor which is close enough.. my comfortable range is around an A#2/B2 up to a G4 but if i include the rest of my head voice and a bit of dropping my voice, its more like an A2/A#2 up to an E5/F5, though I definitely struggle on my passages into full head voice around A4 but past that I can pretty well sustain the notes up to the previously said E/F. I only say this because even though my range is admittedly, fairly wide, it means nothing because I sing very inconsistently where sometimes I am doing great and other times I sound terrible, & I have struggles with tension in my higher chest range. Don’t be concerned about your range but rather how well you can sing in general, that matters a LOT more

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I wanna say tho that baritones, when singing high, are gonna be brighter than tenors actually. Because baritones have a lower break and need to engage head voice earlier and start modifying the vowels into brighter ones earlier. Baritone will however be darker within their own range 100% agree that range by itself doesn't matter is what you can do with it that does

[@ExpertCobra-tn1vt]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@LeoMaiaProgI can confirm this now. Thanks to puberty going a little further, my passage into both head and chest voices dropped, where my chest - mixed is roughly inbetween Bb3/B3, and my mixed - head is now around Eb4-F4 (it’s hard to tell this passage), so now I’m having to engage my mixed and head voice lower than before. I can also go a little lower now which is pretty cool lol. This has only solidified my belief that it doesn’t matter because I can transition between them better now & even though I’m still not good at it, I can still do it well enough that it doesn’t matter. I used to think it mattered a lot but ever since I realized otherwise I’ve been actually improving, although I still keep track of these things just to document for my own interest in how the voice develops over time.

[@ExpertCobra-tn1vt]

I forgot to add what I agree with, notes like B4 before where they didn’t sound super high back then now sound much higher now even though the pitch itself is the same. Very cool how the voice works!

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@ExpertCobra-tn1vt yes the larynx only stops developing in your 30s is what I heard!

[@andrewlauandrade9109]

And then there's me, a high tenor with baritone chest resonance.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Sweet!

[@edgecrusher9856]

I was a soprano back in my music school days, I had to sing in my head voice / falsetto and it messed it all up. I’m a baritone and now I can’t sing shit in my chest voice, for example I can’t sing along to some let’s say easy Pop Punk songs without having a stroke, but I can easily sing Depeche Mode songs, In my head voice I could do any that (respectfully) 70’s glam shit possible, but I just don’t like this style at all🤯 I need to hit some scales again I think, but it’s so excruciating to practice it in a condo 💀

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Weird to switch from soprano to baritone, such a huge leap! I think having a solid chest voice is a foundation for everything, but the trick to it imo is projecting the voice forward, thinking about your voice being a basketball that you're trying to project from you mouth and hit the basket for a 3 pointer lol

[@Mo-xx9gg]

I learned some new words 😀

[@LeoMaiaProg]

You could also invent some! 😂

[@ExpertCobra-tn1vt]

Ive commented here before but I’m doing it again. I started taking lessons and the difference is HUGE. Before, I had struggled with anything in the fourth octave, honestly even inbetween Bb3 and B3 i started to have issues, but my teacher told me to focus on opening up my mouth to let the air and let my voice resonate with tall vowels and breath support and holy hell. I’ve given up on vocal fach as im only 16 (I’ve been casually singing for a while now, maybe 6 months or so?) and when im singing, I can easily go up to a G4 when warmed up or even a G#4 in a chesty mix but anything beyond an A4 (still working on that, not letting classifications limit me) is pure head voice up to around an Eb5 (highest I went in a lesson). I don’t like vocal Fachs because they limit your voice, but if I try to apply them to me, my breaks (Bb3 sometimes B3, E4 is the second one) say I should be a baritone, & high notes say I should be a high baritone, my timbre says I am inbetween a high baritone and a low tenor, and my low notes (I start to lose power and resonance inbetween A2 and Bb2 down to an airy, quiet E2 where I can’t sustain anything ) say im probably a low tenor. Now let’s talk about what this means for my singing… nothing. Yep, this means nothing because I can sing kind of healthy and kind of ok, and I have enough range to sing pretty much any song if I change the key (but I don’t I’m out of laziness). I listed all of my vocal stuff cause I want someone to check in case it actually is obvious cause it would be a little nice to have a solid answer but it’s not all that important. What is more important is that whoever reads this doesn’t place an emphasis on their vocal fach, but rather their technique as that is what makes a singer. You don’t hear people saying “I love (artist), they’re such a good baritone!”, people tend to care more about the quality of singing itself. Don’t waste time like I did

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Well said! It only matters in classical singing but people look at it as limitation in contemporary singing which is so wrong. Just ignore it and work with your range and that includes head voice

[@ExpertCobra-tn1vt]

@@LeoMaiaProg head voice is real and shouldn’t be ignored, I agree. I just sound bad because I don’t know how to properly do my vowels up there, but that’s something im working on. As a result, I try to avoid singing songs only in that register but I still practice in it

[@soyambroxx]

Wow man, you're amazing!!!!!!!

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Thank you! I appreciate it. Maybe checkout my songs if you're into progressive rock / metal and let me know what you think! I try to share in this channel the most important techniques / realizations that boosted me forward when learning how to sing, specifically around how to sing high using a lot of head voice, maybe it helps other people like me get unstuck. This whole vocal fach got me mentally blocked for a long time for example

[@arnolddimailig1926]

Can you do a cover of Open Arms by Journey

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I'm not sure if I would get time to do something like that, not my favorite, but jts not the hardest

[@rickrocko]

Barítone can do everything 😍

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Except for the things baritones cannot do! 😂

[@manwithmonstervoice1100]

As a bass even I can sing that high 😁

[@rickrocko]

@@manwithmonstervoice1100 So, show your talent🎶✨

[@SH-sj5zm]

VERY NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't hear this advice before.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I wish I heard it many years ago, hence why I'm giving it now in the hopes of helping others

[@tadashihaneda9755]

Thanks bro

[@LeoMaiaProg]

You're welcome!

[@putinstea]

Nice sweater

[@LeoMaiaProg]

5 bucks in a thrift store 😂

[@putinstea]

@@LeoMaiaProg Nice find

[@user-tz3mk1pv9l]

I'm counter tenor but I'm trying to learn just needing a tutor

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I encourage you to try out multiple different coaches until you find the one that clicks with your style. Voice is very subjective and the right match is very important!

[@TeddyBear-su9lz]

Countertenor here

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Cheers

[@nerenahd]

Eu tenho exatamente o problema oposto. Meu registro é tenor, e sinto que me falta ressonância nos graves. Mas, tô trabalhando nisso. Notas altas antinjo com facilidade.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Usando vogais maiores, mais largas, subindo bastante o palato mole, usando técnicas de "covering" e tal, abrindo espaço pra ressoar ajuda, pq as frequências graves são ondas largas que precisam de espaço, mas se vc tá cantando música contemporânea, chegar perto do microfone e usar o proximity effect ajuda MUITO a trazer as frequências graves. Eu como tento na demais dessas frequências me gravo um pouco mais longe e ainda tenho que equalizar elas pra não brigar com a guitarra, o baixo, a caixa da bateria e tal, tecnologia existe e ajuda muito

[@nerenahd]

@@LeoMaiaProg Sem dúvida, broder. Minha praia é rock clássico (Stones, Zeppelin, Floyd, etc.). Eu tô começando a compor e gravar minhas próprias músicas em casa, por isso tô notando q preciso melhorar, e muito, minha técnica (especialmente mixed voice, intonation e pitch). Eu era co-vocalista na minha banda da faculdade e achei que meus vocais estavam ok. Só agora analisando minhas gravações em casa noto o tanto de técnica que me falta, mas tô estudando. Valeu pelos toques, amigo.

[@otuomadepaul8573]

Thank you sir❤

[@LeoMaiaProg]

You're welcome!

[@jeffersonleonardo2]

Eu tenho voz de tenor, pelo menos, os testes que fiz aqui no KZbin dizem. Mas não consigo cantar assim. Já tentei canar o fantasma da opera(a versão ao vivo do Nightwish) e fui um desastre.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Fantasma da opera original eh baritono, fantasma da opera do Nightwish nem sei na real pq eh um tom diferente e não eh pegada de opera, então qualquer um pode cantar Não importa muito seu tipo vocal ora cantar esse tipo de música contemporânea com bastante twang e voz de cabeça. Primeira vez que qualquer um canta qualquer música eh sempre ruim, tem que perceber as partes uma por uma o que tá dando errado e trabalhar em isolado

[@AA-er3yx]

Thanks man. It was really necessary for me. Andrew, Ukraine,40

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Glad it helps you! It took me too long to start allowing myself to become thinner and work my head voice and actually sing what I wanted to sing instead of feeling trapped by my vocal fach

[@_alessz]

when i record myself singing my voice feels so mumbling and weird its not even the voice i dont like but the mumbling and voice cracks

[@LeoMaiaProg]

It is however really important to track your progress and to hear the voice in context

[@_alessz]

@@LeoMaiaProg will do

[@amirsarwari3289]

Thank you. I'd appreciate if you make some videos for distortion and rasp (begginer level).

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Well imo you shouldn't really mess with distortion / rasp on beginner level... At least for me, once I got the fundamentals of mixed voice and high singing right, where my placement was correct and I wasn't yelling and pulling chest anymore, then rasp became a more natural thing where I just added a bit more of compression and forward placement and it was easy since I already knew how to control those things as a process of getting a proper mixed voice coordination. That's why before doing that I wouldn't recommend messing with rasp, I don't see it as beginner if you wanna do it in a healthy way

[@miriaaguiar]

Verdade! Mto informativo! Não dá pra colocar os tipos vocais numa caixinha e pronto. Com a técnica correta e o treinamento adequado dá para expandir e muito a performance. Observação: sua voz é linda!

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Obrigado! 🙌🙌🙌

[@Animetor]

i am a baritone and i can't go higher than A4 without going into head voice, isn't there a way to go higher whilst staying in chest voice or something that sounds similar ?

[@LeoMaiaProg]

No, you need head voice, otherwise you'll need unhealthy amount of pressure and yell to get higher than that (I used to be stuck at G4) What I demonstrated in the video as a tenor line is mainly head voice and head voice dominant mixed voice. I start to mix in head voice (or CT muscles stretch) starting at B3, C4 (I got a video on how to find the breaks and how to breach them) The mentality shift that helped me breach that block is to find out how to get good with head voice rather than trying to stretch my chest voice. Head voice is not just falsetto, but if you can reach it with falsetto, you can make it into a powerful connected head voice in full voice. I have also some other videos on the topic like the cry mode, squeaky door exercise, among others, maybe one of them can help you find the path on making your head voice sound powerful, but thinking that there is a way to get your chest voice up there above G4 only slowed me down and hurt my voice. There is some misinformation out there talking about all these things but my advice is work on your head voice, start from it when you're in that range, and add the compression just enough to get into full voice and use your vowels, resonance,.soft palate etc to give it the tone you want, but it needs to resonate upwards above your teeth / nose / soft palate / head, can't be stuck on your tongue / throat / chest and you need to allow yourself to get narrower I know it's not exciting and we want to be Dio or something and the intuitive thought can be "I need to get my chest voice higher" but that's not the case, even Dio and Bruce Dickinson sort of roaring high voices are using head voice on this range

[@fidonol]

​@@LeoMaiaProg this comment deserves an award. It's incredibly helpful!

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@fidonol cheers!

[@aktv5507]

Barratone that can sing heart alone and tina turner. Technique is key

[@LeoMaiaProg]

As long as you got the range in head voice, absolutely! Fach is not range

[@craigjenkins6917]

Great video. Do you have any exercises to first find you head voice and secondly strengthen it. I'd love to see your approach on this

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I have a few shorts videos on this on the channel. Check strengthening the falsetto part 1 and 2, cry mode, squeaky door exercise, they all apply to what you mentioned but most of the shorts in this channel are about tips for head and mixed voice

[@BlackRoyalty-hh8tb]

I’m a baritone myself and a gospel singer, so you think I’d be able to have a higher range like yours or would I need to switch genres?

[@LeoMaiaProg]

if you can hit the higher notes in a lighter falsetto or something you can reach there in full voice also with the right techniques. An unplugged choir doesn't have to cut through a bunch of orchestral loud instruments and you're one around many in the choir so you don't need to be particularly present. I'm not sure if by gospel you meant an unplugged church style choir or if you just meant worship music as a solo lead singer and a microphone tho. It all depends on the context and how you want to sound. You hit the notes you can hit, range is range, it's how you sound that changes with vocal types and different techniques applied

[@BlackRoyalty-hh8tb]

@@LeoMaiaProg got it, thank you so much!

[@lukeblackstone261]

de tanto que me limitei (não sei se o treinamento que tô fazendo todo dia vai adiantar) acabei começando a cantar músicas no meu range, mas é meio sem graça pq o tipo de música que eu gostaria de cantar na sua tonalidade original são coisas tipo "Man in the Box", "21st Century Schizoid Man", "N.I.B.", "Paranoid" e entre outros, a maioria tem um range muito agudo, e isso é mto ruim pra quem ainda não manja de técnica, principalmente se for barítono (que é o meu caso, aliás), mas por agora tô tentando ver se consigo desenvolver essa técnica

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Se vc não tiver constantemente tentando cantar as músicas que vc quer cantar, nunca vai aprender a cantar elas A questão eh perceber onde está com dificuldade e em vez de só tentar cantar do mesmo jeito e achar que repetição vai resolver, ou só forçar mais e gritar achando que vai ficar "forte" e aprender, eh fazer o troubleshooting do que tá fazendo de errado e constantemente tentar cantar de maneira diferente, mudar vogal, mudar registro, cantar leve, cantar no falsete primeiro, coisas assim em vez de desistir, vc consegue, so tem que continuar ficando em aprender

[@lukeblackstone261]

@@LeoMaiaProg eu tô fazendo os exercícios da mix primeiro, pra conseguir cantar, mas mesmo assim eu não consigo fazer um troubleshooting da minha voz pq eu n consigo achar onde que ta o erro, e isso atrapalha mto

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@lukeblackstone261 eh aí que tem o valor de um bom professor. Não aprendi tudo que sei e continuo aprendendo sozinho, tive vários professores e cada um contribuiu com um fator diferente

[@lukeblackstone261]

@@LeoMaiaProg essa é a questão que me complica, eu não posso ter professor por motivos pessoais, então o que me resta é tentar aprender sozinho (que no caso parece ser uma missão quase impossível) e daí como eu não entendo perfeitamente de como resolver tal erro, eu fico tentando procurar informações, em livros, internet e tals, entende?

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@lukeblackstone261 entendo, mas o importante eh sempre estar tentando fazer de forma diferente e se gravar, se escutar, cantar de vagar, cantar só vogal / sem consoante, cantar a mesma nota com vogais diferentes, analisar a gravação com cuidado perceber qual parte começa a tensionar se muda de uma vogal pra outra etc

[@bradycall1889]

Sorry for the last few annoying comments that were super long. I was facing an anxiety attack idk why.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I have those as well don't worry

[@bradycall1889]

@@LeoMaiaProg Okay thanks for being understanding :)

[@TheNutshaq]

As a teenager and going into my early 20s I was a tenor. No low end at all. I’m 24 and I’ve gained a lot of low end and lost a lot of my high voice. Can’t say I’m upset about it lol

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Yep our voice keeps on maturing until your 30s or something

[@davidebelleri8992]

Hey man, just for asking since we are speaking about voice type, is c4#d4/f4#g4 passaggios in mix voice (not opera) tenor? Great video by the way!

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Range and breaks are not defining for vocal fach, the color, resonance and stuff like that also play a big factor That said, i did a few short videos on how to find your breaks and what to do around them, finding where they are specifically in your voice is more important than classifying the voice in a fach imo Personalize your singing experience!

[@JorgeTodt0910]

Mano. E se vc for tenor absoluto? Pq essa mixed voz sua tem muito brilho e timbre de tenor.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Um tenor cantando essas notas soa muito mais robusto, muito mais cheio, pq o tenor adiciona voz de cabeça mais tarde por ter a voz naturalmente mais aguda. Pega um C5 dum Pavarotti da vida, ou no meio do metal de um Dio ou Bruce Dickinson da vida, eh muito mais cheio e robusto do que o meu ou de um geoff Tate (barítonos), pq barítono afina mais cedo em questão de timbre pra conseguir cantar agudo, adiciona voz de cabeça muito antes Tenores que conheço tem um segundo passagio lá pra C#5 D5 enquanto o meu eh em G#4

[@JorgeTodt0910]

@@LeoMaiaProg Sim sim. Aqui no Brasil nosso Dio Brasileiro é o Nando Fernandez. Andre leite também tem uma voz pesada

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@JorgeTodt0910 bem diferente do meu timbre, que não eh de tenor Abraço!

[@elbenjas4003]

I love me a good vocal fach

[@LeoMaiaProg]

😅

[@angelotrendkill]

That’s right… I’m a bass/baritone and I’m able to sing some really high notes. I can sing heaven and hell by Black Sabbath, with a good and controlled technique

[@LeoMaiaProg]

That's right!

[@LokiHiddleston218]

When I'm 7-16 years old I'm a soprano but my throat seems like lower starts at 17-24 until now it's gowing and lower we are same when I'm singing I do start at lower tone songs but when the time and time I can hit Tenor and soprano and I do whistle too but my choir teacher said I must stop it even I can do it because it can damage my throat 😭 so sad

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Choir teachers / classical teachers usually would like you to stay on your chest voice and on your vocal fach. That is the correct thing to do in that style of singing However, if you're singing contemporary music you can use other techniques to sing higher including head voice and mixed voice and such which are usually not taught in these classical singing context

[@georgelovebts3465]

U're absolutely right! But... What if I'm a baritone and I don't have the G4 in chest voice? Can the mix be used in opera in a more lyrical way as well?

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Opera does use laryngeal tilt and covering the vowels to get high notes, which is a kind of mixed voice

[@georgelovebts3465]

@@LeoMaiaProg Okay! I think I get it! Using vowel modification in mixed voice will make it sound more lyrical. Tks for answering! 😊

[@bradycall1889]

In my opinion man, an amazing baritone opera singer should AT LEAST have a strong F#4 in chest voice, which may take about 3-4 years more most baritones even high ones and when starting out training it's not healthy. Don't get me wrong, you can be a great baritone singer in contemporary music if you have nothing more than perhaps a D4 or something like that, but in my genre (I'm being classically trained as a baritone) you need at least a chest F#4 and to project it as well to be an amazing baritone singer (as well as at least an A#2/Bb2 or A2-ish on the low end). And as you said, if a baritone wants there is no problem at all trying to sing a C5 in chest, as long as he is patient with his voice and doesn't force it. It's possible for a baritone, just take practice to do so in a healthy way.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Agreed in the opera context. In the rock context that is not true, for you to actually get those high notes to sound good and connected, the F#4 must be starting to merge into head voice already, otherwise it sounds very different and you hear a "break" I used to sing in chest voice up to a G4 and that locked me out of everything above in a connected way Cheers!

[@bradycall1889]

@@LeoMaiaProg Well some of your high notes in this video sounded like chest to me. They were, in some people's words, a "chest-dominant mix." Of course, they don't sound like they're produced in 100% the exact same way as the notes in the middle or lower parts of the human voice range are supposed to be produced, and perhaps the notes in the lower 5th octave weren't quite chest but almost there. But in my opinion, you did a good job with the notes in the upper 4th octave.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@bradycall1889 this is how I get there: kzbin.infohekERdQLxBw?feature=share This short video describes how using the head voice register with the right techniques can make it "sound chesty" even tho I'm in the head register instead Lmk if that makes more sense Cheers

[@bradycall1889]

@@LeoMaiaProg Okay I get it it's a strong head voice sounds similar to chest but is not the same thing. Well said!

[@birdandcatlover5597]

Axl Rose is a baritone. He can sing from F1, way up to…i think its was Bb6 Well, could. Singing for acdc blew out his voice, but he still can take that chest register quite high. I think To, Keifer of Cinderella is likely a baritone, and he spends a lot of time above C5

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Yeah, that high range is head voice tho! Kinda like this: kzbin.infoAwhnXAe9Dq4?feature=share

[@Velcro000]

What was the name of that opera part? You sang it beautifully

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Phantom of the opera!

[@Velcro000]

Thank you brother, you’ve got one hell of a voice

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@Velcro000 thanks bud! Cheers

[@taylorMFilms]

Whoa

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Cheers!

[@tinycrimester]

don't let your dreams be memes :3

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Didn't get the reference but sure!

[@vampirosveganos]

how can i sing high notes beeing a baritone . hugs from brazil

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Head voice, mixed voice. Tem que usar as técnicas contemporâneas. No exemplo do vídeo eu tô usando quase tudo voz de cabeça. Maioria dos vídeos do canal eh sobre isso Valeu!

[@KalujaFlizck]

Sounded tenor

[@LeoMaiaProg]

My multiple classical singing teachers throughout the years all classified me as baritone and I spent 15 years not being able to sing over G4 given I had not then studied the contemporary singing techniques required to sing rock and metal as a baritone. Plus my lower range today is like D2 while when I was younger I reached B1, it's always been so easy for me to sound big and resonant at the baritone range and trying to sound big and resonant at the tenor range just made me strain, until I allowed myself to be thinner and lighter up there like in the video Cheers!

[@flaze3]

I think you sound like a baritone all the way through. Your teachers were right! They are also right in the sense that as a baritone you can only maintain the beefy low larynx sound typical of opera so far. Probably max to a Bb4? However, if you're singing pop or rock you can just raise your larynx as you do in your demo and job done lol.

[@mattlance5208]

I've seen some of your videos and I think you have good technique. what I don't understand why your voice is so light, it's like you bypass the larynx. you have no constriction in your throat and you can reach very high notes, but your voice sounds deprived of dynamics and power

[@LeoMaiaProg]

What you're hearing in these short videos is the phone camera unedited, as you'd hear yourself in a room singing high with head voice. However, what you hear in records or even a live show is a microphoned, compressed, EQd, saturated voice that is the only way to cut through 100W marshalls. You can hear for yourself these sake techniques applied to a real song from my voice and so far the reception is always that it sounds super powerful in that context kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6K8qnZmhqull80 Or a quick short that compiles a few vocal parts of the song: kzbin.infoAwhnXAe9Dq4?feature=share

[@ThankGodEmirez56]

How can we baritones sing that pretty high as you did

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Using head voice properly! Plenty of short videos in the channel with tips about it Cheers!

[@LifeEnjoyer4251]

im a low baritone like u, but I cant pass trough an C5, and cant belt higher than an A4.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

If you can in a light falsetto or whistle voice that means you will be able to in full voice as well using the proper head voice and mixed voice techniques Belting however is just a choice of a wider vowel / sticking to your previous vowel and modifying / narrowing a little later

[@LifeEnjoyer4251]

@@LeoMaiaProg oh, such a good explanation thanks again!

[@davidparker357]

WHERE DO I LEARNNNNN PLS

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I teach a lot of the things that makes a huge difference in the channel

[@stanleydembowski8020]

Im a thingamabob

[@LeoMaiaProg]

?

[@bassmanxan3544]

I'm a bass. It isn't even about being resonant in my high range, I PHYSICALLY top out at like an F#4

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Even on a very soft and airy falsetto? Ps: range is range, vocal fach is vocal fach, they are not the same thing

[@bassmanxan3544]

@@LeoMaiaProg Huh, okay. I don't know, my falsetto just sounds so unlike me that I don't like using it for anything. It's less about acoustics and more that it just doesn't sound good. But in falsetto I can normally get about F#5 or G5 on an average day

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@bassmanxan3544 there you go, I used to be like that, thinking I capped out at G4 with a lot of strain, but on falsetto I could hit way higher. But I didn't like how my falsetto sounded and just wanted to get all full and chesty on the upper range, so I neglected head voice for a long Time. That's also the point there, you can hit G5 but just doesn't have the resonance you wanted it to have -- so you have the range, vocal fach is not range and there's work that can be done to get that upper range to sound better and more useable Once I was finally convinced to work on my head voice, make it sound good, it's when I finally managed to also get some mixed voice and expanded my useable range tremendously. The example in this video has notes with pure head voice Because we don't like it, we don't use it, we don't practice it, we don't spend the time to make it sound good. Mixed voice is being able to properly balance chest and head voice muscles, and if your head voice muscles are unused, you're not used to engaging them and therefore mixed voice is totally unbalanced as you'll engage much more the chest voice muscles and overpower with them, locking you in a lower range since your vocal folds get too thick, you need the CT muscles and that coordination to stretch them Does that make sense?

[@bassmanxan3544]

@@LeoMaiaProg yeah that makes sense! Just, no one here teaches you how to use your falsetto. Also I know how to use my mixed voice, my full chest voice ends on like a G3 and I'm mexing from then on lol

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@bassmanxan3544 yeah, but the mixed voice should get you to transition into head voice and that head voice should be in full voice and not a falsetto. If your head voice is airy and disconnected then you're likely also missing the so called "heady mix". I've seen may channels cover the topic, but my favorite for this would be Bohemian vocal studio there's a couple videos there that are good for head voice and heady mix, I've got a few shorts on this channel too talking about head voice and most of the high mixed voice examples I have here I explain how I get there by starting on falsetto (the man in the box example is the most explicit one on this)

[@EgorLappo]

I require free 20 minute lesson for recognizing metropolis! Jk

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Well I must say it's written on the video tho! 😂😂😂 Thanks for the shout out

[@eyesnightmare]

I just can't understand how to mix

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Plenty of short videos on the subject in the channel!

[@DopeDodo]

E5 belt?? Dude, that's like a soprano belt and it's impressive

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Thanks, that's head voice rather than a belt, but with proper resonance placement and vowels you can make it sound powerful in the right context

[@DopeDodo]

@@LeoMaiaProg np, btw that sounds complicated for me and much more diffucult to learn how to use it, but im pretty sure i'll also make it..

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@DopeDodo it's easier than it sounds, finding the coordination takes good instructions and time, but once you do it goes fast

[@BisolaestherAde]

I learned something

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Im glad!

[@lieutenant_rtda2234]

It's smart of you to have subtitles and a title on your YT Short spelling the word "fach," because we all know that YT can be a bi...

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I just do it for everything, not everyone can clearly understand my Brazilian accent

[@craftingmausXd]

I am Dramatic Tenor

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Sweet!

[@craftingmausXd]

@@LeoMaiaProg i am untrained but my range like Ab2-F#4 i wanna be B4 in mixed voice

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@craftingmausXd B4 is likely going to be on head voice already, but as a tenor you could be doing it in mixed perhaps depends on where your breaks are. Plenty of short videos in the channel on the subject

[@meganaldousvaleriano3138]

I know how to do mix voice but I have a problem in which the start of my mix or the end of my chest voice I don't sound pleasant like I sound soft or I can't hit notes properly like I can sing higher than that and sound good idk what to do

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I don't know specifically what you're doing, but I have many tips here in the channel on the topic, perhaps check the squeaky door, cry mode, vowel modifications, but I can't say for sure as you didn't provide much information. But starting lighter is way better than yelling!

[@Jferraro24]

same

[@deathrattle216]

Where would you say a standard baritone tessitura is on average?

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Typical operas would write baritone characters around F2-F4 more or less. That said, tessitura is not plain range, it's just where the voice is naturally more resonant and would work well over an orchestra in an acoustic setting. My full raw range for example is around D2 to C6 and I'm a baritone

[@KG713-iu6xt]

What are some good vocal exercises to discover my mix? I’ve been doing lip rolls and mum exercises for awhile and it helped a little bit but I can’t quite get past E4 that’s where I have to support really well or it’s just a strained mess

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Imo it's less about the exercise and more about understanding the coordination, experimenting and finding it. The exercise won't magically get you in your mixed voice and if it does, when it's time to sing you don't use the same coordination. In my shorts channel there are many tips and tricks on how to do it. The key is to not over support (don't rely on too much air pressure, it needs to be a constant airflow), understand and use vowel modifications, understand that you must be using your head voice very early, knowing how to connect chest and head seamlessly via resonance placement (which in then is a consequence of using vowels properly) and understanding "cry" which means having vocal chord closure even in head voice. That is the basis and from then on you would just shape the tone with stuff like lifting the soft palate and such I have short videos on all of these things in the channel but don't try to learn all of them at once, start with the layer that you need and add the next one afterwards. Imo the soft OO connecting head and chest voice and understanding why it connects through resonance placement would be the first stop after you understand support right (i.e. not increasing air pressure or clenching your abs)

[@KG713-iu6xt]

@@LeoMaiaProg hmmm that would make sense as to why I hit a plateau in my vocal growth. I don’t think I’ve discovered true head voice although my falsetto is developed from extensive time using it and playing around with it. How can I achieve true headvoice and not falsetto? A lot of videos and posts say to find mix you must first find head but that makes it harder to innerstand

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@KG713-iu6xt I don't think you can mix without head voice imo. It's easy to overpower head voice with chest voice I I personally can't add head voice into a chest voice, instead I can add chest voice just enough into my head voice. The key there is understanding how to apply cry and twang with EH types of vowels and once you get that Rob Halford, axel Rose style very bright and somewhat nasal but powerful head voice with full chord closure, you can shape it through vowels and soft palate to become rounder and darker, but the vocal chord coordination is the key there. For this I recommend the squeaky door exercise I got a video on it too

[@KG713-iu6xt]

@@LeoMaiaProg ok cool! Because I just wanna be able to sing bad omens songs in that mix but not classic rock mix more of a rnb trey songz mix. So when first discovering mix voice it’ll lean more towards a head tone?

[@KG713-iu6xt]

@@LeoMaiaProg Ima check that exercise out and which one would be best for vowel modification?

[@kyl1x.d]

chris cornell

[@LeoMaiaProg]

One of the best

[@urbanyogistomar]

Ha ha vocal fach😂😂

[@LeoMaiaProg]

German! 😅

[@Hopkins132]

Yes, but don’t misunderstand this as meaning that you should rely on technology such as microphones. A good vocal is a good vocal as soon as it leaves the singer’s mouth. Practice. Work on your weak spots.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Microphone will not make you sing well, but it will make your voice cut through 100W Marshalls, otherwise impossible Your favorite singers are not singing louder than the guitars, they sing into a microphone. They sound good because they have good vocal technique, and for singing high that includes using plenty of head voice and making it sound good instead of straining and yelling. That's the point in this short video, don't feel like you have to yell and take your loud chest voice up to sound good, singers use head voice properly Cheers!

[@dVM042Li]

Lebih mudah ngikuti lagu yang sering di dengar ..

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Metropolis is actually a very famous song on the genre!

[@dVM042Li]

@@LeoMaiaProg Saya nyanyi paling rendah D2 ... paling tinggi F4 ... F#4 ke atas bisa pake suara palsu ...

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@dVM042Li I can sing on that range also, from D2 to around C#6. But from C4 and above I start to use mixed voice and by G4-A4 it's very head voice dominant, C5 and above is almost all head voice like in the video singing example The trick is learning how to turn the falsetto into something connected and useful through resonance placement

[@dVM042Li]

@@LeoMaiaProg sebenarnya saya bukan penyanyi dan belum pernah menyanyi di depan orang banyak , juga tidak bisa bermain alat musik ... tetapi saya suka musik , nyanyian ... Dan pengetahuan tentangnya .. Bagian tersulit untuk saya bernyanyi adalahi di sekitar nada C4 sampai F4 ... Misalnya ketika bernyanyi dengan nada tertinggi F4, saya bisa bernyanyi dengan power penuh ... Tetapi jika bernyanyi lebih tinggi dari F4 harus pake falseto dan saat nada dalam lagu turun ... Misal dari A4 terus turun sampai C4 susah pindah dari falseto ... 😨 Dan satu lagi saya tidak bisa bahasa Inggris, tetapi saya juga terkadang suka lagu dengan bahasa Inggris..

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@dVM042Li sounds like mixed voice is what you need to work on to connect these registers seamlessly!

[@macakucizmama831]

Baritones are the best, much richer voice then us tenors , to put it simple sexier. Sure we have an advantage when it comes to sing high but who cares

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Tenors can sing beefier at high pitches which is pretty cool tbh, but baritones have more range overall since thicker chords have more to stretch.

[@macakucizmama831]

@@LeoMaiaProg how do you mean?

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@macakucizmama831 tenor will switch to CT muscle dominant registers later (can sing in chest higher) and thus a tenor singing C5 will be beefier than a baritone singing C5, baritones will be in full head voice at that pitch and tenors can hit it with more chest so to speak

[@user-yl2cr5nt4n]

What the fach

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Fach it

[@dedios03]

Vocal what!? 🤣

[@LeoMaiaProg]

What the fach!

[@dedios03]

@@LeoMaiaProg lmao good stuff man

[@ryfojuan7114]

i guess i’m a tenor bcuz my voice sometimes sounds like a kid or a girl lmaooooo

[@LeoMaiaProg]

That is more like color than fach. That said, forget about classification if you're not singing opera. Cheers!

[@tenor-haute-contre]

Baritones and Basses singing non-classical music need to stop being obsessed with voice type and, god, fach. You’ll only limit your voice, especially when for most of the classical rep (and Western notated music from Medieval to Contemporary), you’ll be almost exclusively trained to use your chest voice (some of my classical Baritone friends don’t even know how to mix). Just develop every part of your voice. The voice is a spectrum at the end of the day.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Exactly!

[@felixdom9693]

Im baritone and can sing high notes

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Exactly! Vocal fach is not range and should not limit you Cheers

[@giavannahhodges]

DA FAAA

[@LeoMaiaProg]

🤘

[@Celatra]

Tbh, you sound alot more like a low tenor than baritone.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Until I'm singing a baritone line... Vocal fach is not range kzbin.infofrv99sMIN9E?feature=share

[@alvinrasmus6674]

Ohhh so that's why seemingly every pop singer is a tenor? They're not! They're just using unsophisticated pop singing style

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Some of them are, but some of them aren't. Vocal fach is not about only range is the point and you will see basses with range that goes up to the 5th and 6th octave, but on different registers which they wouldn't be able to use and sound good in a classical setting hence they sing only on the bass range in a classical setting, but they can head voice some r&b any time

[@martinhurtadoheredia7436]

I kind.of disagree. Even disregarding the debate about what is head voice and what is falsetto, the high notes' sound have a way different color here, i dont find them pleasant at all Obviously It is subiective but i dont like such changes in the color of the sound

[@LeoMaiaProg]

The example is dream theater, the color I tried to go to here is similar to the color of the original sound. While it is possible to get the color to sound a bit darker up to something like a C5, when it gets to those E5s, D5s it's really rock / metal territory for men singing, it's bright and a little gritty, that's the sound of rock If you're comparing to classical singing with the typical very low larynx approach -- that's the type of singing where fach matters, but the video is about contemporary rock and pop singing which has this brighter forward placement nature to it Different techniques and different sound intention for sure

[@martinhurtadoheredia7436]

Thats make sense. I mean, I don't wanna sound harsh, I've watched some of your videos and it's obvious that you have a very good voice/technique. It is just I am a bit against the head voice tone, mainly because of the sound but also because using it too much tends to break too much the register in two or weaken the chest voice for some people. (In fact I find surprising/worthy how some people like you can mantain both registers pretty strong at the same time!) Anyways my head voice criticism is not only for baritones, for example, I pretty much dislike every E5 by tenors too, (I sincerely think that almost all, including the classical ones (e.g. "Run to the Hills", "Stairway to Heaven") are really falsettos). I prefer to keep the rough, darker tone, through all the register (a good example for a baritone/high baritone would be kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGi6l4OAhbuan8k with amazing B4s) Incidentally the only E5s I think I like are the ones by Geddy Lee in the 74-76 era, and that is tricky because he is probably higher than a tenor (alto?) and he uses a concrete belting technique

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@martinhurtadoheredia7436 terminology is not something agreed on between schools of singing... So yeah I agree with you not worth discussing The style and color is a matter of taste of sure. The belting to achieve such notes is a nice tool, but I don't think it should be the only mean to an end, otherwise you get locked out of singing vowels such as EEs and OOs in that range, and you can't really belt an entire show, so nice to use but not for hours straight, I like to see it as spicy. The whole "using head voice weaken your chest voice" is, for me, misinformation, nothing in the anatomical way of how the voice works can justify it. The thin muscles is as strong as it can ever be with you speaking normally every day, it's not like big quads that can get weaker if you stop doing squats, I don't see how this could be true unfortunately, maybe I just never understood what this actually means (again terminology is always a problem) Cheers!

[@josiahp.6960]

Gotta do Judas Priest. sound just like Halford.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I've sang a lot of Judas, especially when I was learning head voice and didn't know how to mix well. Reason being, judas, especially early judas, doesn't really have melodies that use that middle part of the voice, it's either chest or a soaring distorted high head voice so it was perfect for learning head voice Nowadays I don't sing it as much as I try to pick songs that use a lot of that middle voice and try to make my head voice sound less distorted and screechy

[@josiahp.6960]

@@LeoMaiaProg fair. Yeah, once you unlock that head voice and knock out as much tinny sound as possible, you get to many of the best singers in rock and metal. Chris Cornell, Halford, Hetfield, Robert Plant, all the greatest.

[@Narikavi4]

Ребята как думеть я баритон или тенор низкая нота ломаетса в G2# средни в районе C4 D4 E4 F4 F#4 G4 G#4 a4 B4 cC5 D5 головной голос фальцет E5 F5

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I wouldn't focus too much on trying to find your classification, knowing where the breaks are is so much more important so you can change resonances and modify vowels around them

[@Narikavi4]

E4 F4

[@Narikavi4]

E4 F4

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@Narikavi4 mines are B3/C4 - F#4- A#4

[@c.a.5782]

It’s good to know that with practice, everyone can fach off… So, don’t delay… start faching today! I’m sorry, they should have known when this word got to America, there would be trouble.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

I think they came up with the word before there was a known america 😅 That said, they were very aware of the British

[@milonanni8806]

What about a tenor that wants to sing like a bass? A microphone definitely doesn't turn a tenor into a bass! Finding your voice type is actually about highlighting your qualities, more than setting your limitations. It's about acknowledging the beauty of the variety of human voices out there. And it's NOT only about resonance, but also about where your tone shines the most. A deep bass and a light tenor will never sound the same singing the same piece. And there's no microphone that can change that, thank goodness. So let's not pretend that everyone can sing everything with the same effortlessness and effectiveness, please.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

If you don't have the range, you don't have the range. It's different from the vocal type. Just like the example where as a baritone I can reach the tenor range, I'm still a baritone, some tenors can reach the baritone range and are still tenors. Will they sound different? Absolutely! Will it be a different level of effort? Absolutely as well, you need different techniques at different ranges depending on for example where your breaks are But point being if you have the range, like for example you can hit a low note with undertones as a tenor or a high note with head voice or whistle as a baritone, you can learn the techniques and sing the songs you wanna sing and embrace how you'll sound when you do and use the technology to help compensate, the vocal fach shouldn't limit you from singing what you wanna sing in a contemporary genre, as it would when it's an acoustic classical setting

[@milonanni8806]

@@LeoMaiaProg Finding your voice type tells you what you can be your best at. It's not just about having the range. It's about having an overall set of qualities required to shine in a certain genre. For example, I don't particularly like singing crooners songs but my voice is very suitable for that. I can certainly decide to sing something else, but listening to what your voice is most suitable for is definitely precious knowledge to gain!

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@milonanni8806 sure is, but it's not a limiting factor. I know what my voice naturally sounds better at with little effort, but what I like to sing requires much more effort (in terms of technique, not physical demanding effort, mental effort) and for a long time I thought I simply wouldn't be able to due to my vocal type limitation, until I learned with contemporary teachers how to properly use contemporary techniques and finally I'm able to sing what I always wanted and sound pretty good at it. I see many many people with the same limitations that I had based on vocal type and the intent of the video is to tell my story and how technique can free you from fach mental prison when you're not in a classical context For example, people keep looking for "chesty mix" and sounding super manly at the high tenor range, but with a voice like mine that is naturally more resonant at lower frequencies, and I try to show that by getting rid of the expectation of "sounding chesty" and embracing head voice and learning how to use it and allowing your voice to get narrower and thinner, you can do that, and within a dense rock mix context it sounds awesome and that's actually how many of the great rock singers do it, through technique, they're not simple "born and blessed with a higher rocking voice"

[@honey2857]

Jesus,is that you?

[@LeoMaiaProg]

This is becoming stale 😅

[@mariacristinamagtibay9918]

Is it cheating to sing tenor with whistle

[@LeoMaiaProg]

This is not whistle, it's head voice, there is no such thing as cheating tho, if you sound how you wanna sound any that feels comfortable, you're good!

[@Celatra]

With all due respect, you sound alot more like a low tenor than a baritone.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

It's really interesting how people on KZbin think that over a few videos singing in head voice but before I knew how to sing in head voice I've had teacher after teacher telling me I was a baritone and wouldn't be able to sing high (classical teachers), assigning me sometimes to the bass role in choirs (given when I was younger I could hit a B1 consistently)

[@Celatra]

​@@LeoMaiaProg i'm a low tenor. I have a daily C2 in chest and i struggled to sing over G4 classically, now i have a C#5 in chest. Most untrained tenors cap out at F4/ G4 cus that's their passagio. But then they unlock the higher notes fairly quickly. Heavier tenors constantly get mistaken for baritones. But the thing is, a baritone can more often than not project a G2 over an orchestra. And they also sound alot heavier when singing high up. A low tenor caps out at A2/ Ab2 operatically. Based on your speaking voice i dont think you would quite cut it for a baritone. And your highs are very tenorish too. Your lows sound very tenorish too.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@Celatra well when we're talking opera it matters, but for contemporary rock / metal it surely. Imo, baritones sound thinner when singing higher because they switch to head voice earlier while tenors can hold on to chest for longer, my C5s for example which a red full head voice sound super thin in comparison to a tenor C5, but that is my experience and what makes sense to me, we don't need to agree since it all doesn't matter to contemporary singing anyway (the whole point of these videos) Cheers!

[@Celatra]

@@LeoMaiaProg im metal, everybody thins out the notes. But you still have a very obvious chest dominant mix going on on that E5, and all of your notes sound quite similar to mine in timbre and ring. A baritone usually would be full falsetto with no chest resonance at all already at like B4. But ye. Just wanted to share my thoughts

[@SacredTemplar8]

I’m really curious about the way people go about classifying their voices outside of classic singing/opera, cause he’s god got a good voice but this is the weakest baritone I’ve ever heard, if he’s indeed one :p

[@LeoMaiaProg]

You surely aren't familiar with my voice here, the example in a bad room with the phone camera is to give a down to earth idea on contemporary music. The first comment about my voice for every vocal coach that I started with was how powerful it was. Which actually was a mistake when singing contemporary music. Pulling back and being controlled in my power is something I learned over time and now in am specially mindful about since my lung collapsed while singing, I'm extra careful on not adding a lot of air pressure since then I've been classified as bass when I was 15 and had a lower range, then when older, a baritone. not by myself but by vocal teachers with classical training. I used to sing music of the night, point of no return and phantom of the opera, all within that context in these music schools, which are baritone lines I was told for a long time that I couldn't sing in the tenor range as that was not my voice type and I would be doing bad if doing so, which was true for the opera / classical singing perspective, but not true at all in a contemporary / rock style which is what I like to sing more and always wanted to All I'm trying to do here is get people encouraged and not feel limited by their vocal classification, explore head voice and mixed voice among other contemporary singing techniques. All I mean here is good to other singers Cheers

[@SacredTemplar8]

@@LeoMaiaProg Thank you for your time and thorough message, and sorry to hear about your lung, bad thing to happen, especially for a singer. Classification-wise I’d say that given that even “”opera people”” think that Michael Spyres is/was a baritone, shows that there’s a lot of confusion surrounding it. No huge deal of course, or need to stick to labels either. Especially on on non-classical terms haha. I certainly agree and applaud your last paragraph regarding encouraging people etc. Cheers :)

[@leeow3n]

but how can he slap?

[@LeoMaiaProg]

BASS

[@TarzanHedgepeth]

So… yes… and no. I disagree that just because we have the technology to “overcome” some physical reality, that therefore means that we SHOULD. Your natural talented voice will cut through a mix better and will sound better. Yes, you can, and sometimes should use tech to your advantage… indeed. But… to say it doesn’t matter and that you shouldn’t try to focus on that and capitalize on that first? I think this will set people up to completely avoid discovering their real talent. I think it will set people up to think, since we have the tech to overcome a mix with our voice however we want… well, let’s do heavy pitch correction. Let’s quantize everything. You know what? Why waste the energy? Make beats with tech. Why train your voice? Just vocalize and then pitch match and shift everything. I mean… you’re really just trying to compose music as a composer. Does it NECESSARILY matter how you got there as long as you accomplished some version of your vision? Hmmm… Especially with the incorporation of AI tech and influences… I think it’s becoming more important for people to focus on their natural capabilities more and more. Not to avoid tech; that’s not ALWAYS a good answer. But moving forward in all areas of human creativity; it seems we’re becoming a parody of ourselves instead of capitalizing on our instrument. I mean…. You CAN plug up an Acoustic guitar to a modeling amp… you can, and find wonderful effects. But - people RIGHTFULLY opt for the electric guitar in that case. Since the sound is being modeled, it just makes more sense. The voice is not an electric instrument. We do have to use tech to CAPTURE our sound… and even to attempt an accurate representation of what the artist is hearing requires compression and EQ, etc… I could go on and on with the philosophizing. I think it is ULTIMATELY, in the future, going to turn out to be a bad thing to have given people the advice to ignore their natural talents and the way they can best capitalize on them. It may seem like “practical” or “liberal” advice for now - but it is going to come back to bite us. Hard.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Man you put a lot of effort into writing this but I think you didn't get my message right. The message is: don't be limited by your vocal fach and don't let people tell you that because you are X you can't sing Y. This whole channel is about giving out tips on techniques on how to sing rock / metal with mixed voice and head voice. I NEVER tell people to just program their voice and not learn techniques, just to not feel blocked by these classical concepts on a contemporary context. I gave in this video an example of me singing dream theater metropolis, a very high song, using these techniques. It's recorded with my phone, there's no technology there, just like all my contents are. The point about technology is that 100% of all rock and metal recorded songs you've ever listened to, even live ones, are recorded through a microphone, into compressors, into EQ at the bare minimum. A human voice, trained or untrained, soprano or bass, will never be louder than a wall of 100W Marshall amps, it will simply never. So when you hear yourself singing unplugged, thinking you should have a hoaring loud chest voice at like a D5, because that's how you think your favorite singers are singing, remember that they recorded through technology and got mixed in, and I'd they were singing right next to you you'd notice how much head voice they are using and how less loud than you'd expect they are. Absolutely of course techniques will help and is a must, this is a channel about teaching singing techniques, I never said technique is not important and never will I, that what I studied for many many years, that's what I teach, I don't tell people to ignore their natural talents, but I tell them that through techniques they can sing much better and higher that "natural" would get them. The whole technology thing is just to tell them "you need to use your head voice, allow yourself to be thing, don't try to yell and retain chest voice to sing that high, your favorite singers are not doing that, they only cut through a wall of guitars because they sing into mic into compression into EQ with lots of harmonies and such, learn the right techniques, don't be stuck on trying to be loud and 'manly'" So I'm sorry if you got the wrong message, it's a 60s YT shorts video, it needs to be short and concise, I can't spend too much time explaining everything... Cheers

[@damonlamar6874]

Vocal what?!

[@LeoMaiaProg]

You heard it!

[@anjanalakshan1789]

Local, what?🫣

[@LeoMaiaProg]

German words are seldom beautiful 😅

[@411Lemon]

Fach my bass voice 😒

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Can you reach high notes on at the very least a light falsetto? If yes you got the range and you can reach there with power with the right techniques

[@danielfandino9140]

Jesus, is it you?

[@LeoMaiaProg]

im pretty sure jesus was not white with blue eyes, given his middle eastern background

[@danielfandino9140]

@@LeoMaiaProg It's a joke, man, relax a bit 🤣 Anyway, good video.

[@LeoMaiaProg]

@@danielfandino9140 thanks, yeah man I know, its just that it's the 5th time in this channel or something 😂😂😂

[@gabrielmoore6099]

Vocal what???

[@LeoMaiaProg]

You heard it!

[@danielinnk83]

*make* the same mistake

[@LeoMaiaProg]

Yeah man, sorry for that. I'm Brazilian, just trying my best here to share information