Can a SILENT SENTRY spawn-camp guards in stealth? | PAYDAY2 Mythbusting

[@iinfamousnight]

Never in my life did I think sentries would ever get a use other than running out of ammo

[@ManInHere]

Lmao, if there is alot of shields and you dont have AP, sure.

[@Nosyyy]

Sentries are incredibly strong when used by a single person in the party, they have lots of sentry perks, and if they’re always set to AP mode. I use them pretty often in dsod and they work really well as both crowd control machines and distractions

[@Corgun]

I had a Deathwish sentry build that never runs out of ammo. Using the china lake and GL secondary, you can pick up a non-empty sentry and it always refunds 100% of the grenade ammo used for it. It's a great build if you feel like staring at your sentries in front of a choke point is exciting gameplay

[@Marcmb]

Especially for stealth! I mostly see them being used for Holdouts, but this application here is a bit out there :p

[@iinfamousnight]

@@Marcmb Silent sentry stealth meta when? :p

[@OxydedGaming]

Marcmb: "And for my next trick, I will show you how a truck-sized drill in the middle of a casino can be used without anybody noticing!"

[@Marcmb]

:D That would be so good! Kinda like the recent Black Cat / San Martín "loud objectives during stealth", but applied to Golden Grin!

[@thej2241]

i always wished that sentries could keep civilians down in stealth like in no mercy

[@ChainikVlad]

Fr, some utilities for sentries in stealth would've been nice - silencer variant just begs to be in stealth, but nope.

[@bloxthebloxxer8234]

another comment says that they do keep down civilians sooooo im not sure

[@NintendoNerd64]

they don't

[@Marcmb]

Would be a neat feature! There's the fake sentries in No Mercy that are meant to do that (only after you finish the objective), but for anything else you would need mods...

[@KorotasGeckoGamingCorner]

@@bloxthebloxxer8234 I think they're mistaking that feature for a mod that does that, it's packaged in a mod that also allows Medics to heal Civilians on a separate cooldown from their standard healing

[@hackersource4634]

I like how at the beginning it says historically, and its in a display case at the diamond museam

[@Marcmb]

😄 Haha! It felt like the most fitting clip for such a sentence. Glad you liked that intro Source!

[@tabbytheabbey]

one thing you forgot about is the three pagerless guards on go bank, who can be eliminated using the sentries and the bag-bait method to distract them.

[@Marcmb]

Oooh very very true! In fact, very often the guards get alerted behind the fence and can't be killed without AP weapons, so placing a sentry out there would be the easiest way to take out all 3!

[@yol_n]

Imagine if sentries could tag guards in stealth, like the spotter.

[@raven75257]

Just add sensor detectors or portable camera systems at that point. Maybe once Payday 3 releases we'll see something like that...

[@yol_n]

@@raven75257 the portable camera/sensors is pretty much a nerf to the payday 2 tripmines. Still cool, though.

[@Marcmb]

That would be a lot cooler than regular trip mines! Basically a mix between the spotter, the spycam, and trip mines...

[@yol_n]

@@Marcmb I'm playing restoration mod and the sentries keep civilians down, like no mercy. A pretty cool rebalance for the equipment.

[@Frogger601]

This could be pretty useful for maps with Thugs instead of guards like Scarface Mansion, you don't even have to worry about the pagers.

[@Marcmb]

Very true yes, even better in those kinds of heists! Kinda like an automatic system to get rid of guards, since you never need to bother getting the pagers...

[@hadyabdel-fattah5810]

More unexplored stealth mechanics videos please like that

[@Marcmb]

Absolutely! Glad to hear you liked this one, thank you very much :D

[@miuzoreyes6547]

I remember a couple years back experimenting with stealth builds, and I vividly remember hoping to make silenced sentries work for something at least, but the gunshots from the silenced sentry would alert the whole map as it wasn't silenced. I'm curious when they changed that.

[@SirenXD.]

They pretty recently (for pd2 standards) reworked a lot of the game's audio. Silent saw is fixed, but instead sound through walls propagates much less. This affected ECM feedback and gunshot noise too, so sometimes a guard can shoot and alert **nobody**. If I had to guess, it was probably around the same time, ~6 months ago.

[@miuzoreyes6547]

@@SirenXD. Oh, that would make sense. Thanks.

[@Pappalardium]

@@SirenXD. the update that broke like 20 other things?

[@SirenXD.]

​@@Pappalardium Yeah, but the audio was likely an intentional change to fix the silent saw bug people were abusing without just making silent saw obnoxious/awful to use.

[@Marcmb]

Hey Miuzo! About 4 years ago when I was experimenting with Counterfeit full stealth, I tested stealth sentries there and they were already fully silent (so it has been like this for at least the past 4+ years). However as shown at the intro clip, every time you use them the guard tends to shoot before the sentry, which is why it might seem like the sentry gunshots are actually loud (even though they are fully silent). Also just to be safe I recorded these clips in a downpatched version, so the sound changes from Update 240.3 did not apply to these clips! :)

[@CalzaTheFox]

Coming up with absolute bangers even nowadays.

[@Marcmb]

Thank you very much Calza! That's very kind of you :)

[@TheTundraTerror]

0:46 - POV: you're a prank KZbinr

[@Marcmb]

Ouch 💀 Unironically sounds like something one of those might do...

[@XV_0]

Another banger from Marcmb 🗣

[@Marcmb]

Thank you very much XV! Glad you liked this one :D

[@kittyclaws7657]

I remember testing the silenced sentries in stealth ~5 years ago and they would alert the entire map. I guess the "silencer" did not work as an actual silencer in code, even if it sounded like it did. It would only make it less likely to be targeted. Glad to see it was changed at some point, but the uses are still extremely limited. You have to answer pagers whenever you kill someone and missions with no-pager guards revolve around quickly getting rid of them, which is considerably faster if done manually/without sentries and gimmicks. Still, great video!

[@Marcmb]

Hey kitty! I tested them on March 2020 (around the time I was testing for Counterfeit full stealth) and they were already fully silent as shown here, so this might have changed shortly after your tests! In any case, most old tests might be unreliable because of the behavior shown at 1:05 - it's not that the sentry shooting is alerting the map, but the guard instantly shooting as soon as he sees the sentry is what alerts the map in most situations.

[@smasher4291]

I can't lie, I didn't even know these things could shoot in stealth to be honest.

[@Marcmb]

Completely understandable haha! Only crazy players ever attempt bringing these to stealth heists :p

[@arcchop1511]

sentrys are fun to uset havent rly uset them mutch in sthelf myself but did helpe me in murkaywhater whearhous to get the achiment for the samurai arome. also love that you are stil doing payday 2 content keep oppe the good work and vidioes

[@Marcmb]

Thank you very much arcchop! Glad you're still enjoying the PAYDAY 2 content :) I'm gonna be here for a looong time!

[@arcchop1511]

That's good to hear

[@someone4229]

I freaking love this. Now i gotta explore other weird stratergies

[@Marcmb]

Glad you liked it, someone! If you find any other good strategies, let me know :D

[@komangky_sc4083]

I did this about twice, done it years ago in Scarface Mansion, good for clearing yards if you want a speedrun, but must have return the sentries after opening the windows.

[@Marcmb]

Very nice idea Komangky! I never considered them for Scarface (because I often like playing the outside part pacifist) but it does sound like a funny way to clear the map :D

[@CongaYT]

Step 1. Place sentries Step 2. Lay a suspicious item as bait Step 3. Wait for a guard to notice your trap Step 4. The newly dead guard fuels the trap for the next victim This feels like something out of a troll logic comic

[@Marcmb]

Hahaha it definitely bears some resemblance to those yup. It's so silly that it's incredibly surprising that it works this well :D

[@Movikx0990]

suspicious idea when normal players cant do stealth normally most times :P, great video

[@Marcmb]

Very risky for sure yup... perhaps only for troll stealth lobbies :p Glad you liked it Movik!

[@Anxiolf]

Sentries are the main point of my Ex-Prez build, full sentry skills so 4 silenced, 2 loud, i love my deadly babies and always make sure to pick them up before leaving!

[@Marcmb]

Very nice for loud! And in that case mostly silenced ones yup, since they are so much better at taking out enemies.

[@Anxiolf]

@@Marcmb they make Ex-President so much fun because they rack up stored health so quickly! So useful

[@inspectorjeffrey]

Me playing shadow raid with randoms. It’s going well. Level 1 joins he says “Remember No Russian” I stare at the screen in pure horror as we fail the heist

[@Marcmb]

Oops :p Hopefully this doesn't affect the low-level stealth lobbies, because this isn't a very universal deployable!

[@kotzpenner]

Never knew you could close the piano

[@Marcmb]

On a few different heists yes! Glad you liked that kotzpenner :D It's one of my favorite sounds in the game.

[@justarandomdude4356]

I swear I remember silent sentries not working on stealth and just alerting everyone when it shot. Did they change this recently or am I just insane?

[@Marcmb]

Hey Random! It's because of the clip I showed at 1:05, it's not the sentries alerting everyone, it's the guard immediately shooting as soon as he sees the sentry. This has worked for the past 4 years so it's definitely not recent, although the change that *@MidnightLobster* mentions (in the recent Update 240.3) definitely makes it easier! The clips on this video were recorded on downpatches U240.2, to ensure those changes would not affect the result.

[@JerryBambino]

i just figured out that in crime spree you can get 3 pocket ecms by using the more throwable boost 👀

[@Marcmb]

That's correct yes! You could also get 3 ECMs instead by increasing the amount of deployables. Very nice stuff for ECM rushing!

[@HobkinBoi]

I wish they would've given sentries more stealth potential honestly.

[@Marcmb]

More unique applications would definitely be welcome...

[@livek1238]

I am not in the mood to check it but... won't those sentries keep the civilians down on those silly missions like go bank, diamond store, jewlery store... maybe even nightclub...?

[@Gamma_sol]

Surprisingly yes! I've used silent sentries for that exact reason to successfully beat GO bank solo without having to worry about civs running loose

[@livek1238]

@@Gamma_sol oh! Nice! Need to use them more often (i see you 18% accuracy)

[@Marcmb]

Hey Livek! There is a mod called "Sentries Intimidate Civilians" which I've seen mentioned several times in the comments, and does as the name implies. It's made by Offyerrocker, who is an excellent modder. Although just to clarify, this behavior does not apply without this mod! :D

[@livek1238]

@@Marcmb oh... thanks!

[@GreyMaria]

Payday 3 wishes it could be this cool.

[@Marcmb]

Absolutely... hopefully in a couple of years, because they completely blundered the release :(

[@pablolayabolivar1759]

You can whatever you want, coz u are The Great Marc!

[@Marcmb]

Thank you very much Pablo! :D

[@MarianaHernandez-he6es]

Interesting, so for most useful use, it's making a trap than leave the sentries alone

[@Marcmb]

That is correct yup! Since they need a very specific line of sight / angle to work out.

[@laurenfell388]

fun fact, for what I've seen, the silenced turrets are no different from the normal ones (in loud), the police will still target them even if they got another unsilenced turret shooting at them (that means the percentage it's not a big difference)... and the silencer has hitbox for some reason, making the silenced turret, useless for loud... well, outclassed by the normal variant (again, this is what I've seen)

[@syntex22rm97]

I discovered something about turrets Can be use to control hostage And they did try to run during a stealth run like heat and Trusty Or Go bank

[@Marcmb]

Hi Syntex! Sorry for the very late response. Are you sure about that? There is a mod called "Turrets Intimidate Civilians" which achieves this, but without mods I just tried placing a turret in front of a civ, but a couple of minutes later he got up and started calling, so I'm not sure if this will work without mods!

[@syntex22rm97]

@@Marcmb Yup i'm sure but I discovered another thing First make civis kiss the floor and later use turret Only work if player is close to the turret Move far far away make the turret stop intimidated civis and they try to call cops Conclusion This trick only can be useful on Go bank and harvest and trusty Do this on another heist may can not be useful

[@Qeseu]

MARCMB please I NEED the payday 3 stealth guides the game is not dead I promise😭

[@Marcmb]

Hi Qeseu! Hopefully very soon... they're making changes in the proper direction (good QoL, proper progression...) so now I'm just hoping there'll be a way to play solo without being in a queue for 2-3 minutes, which is a bit painful!

[@apchistuz]

What's the weather mod again? I can't find it on modworkshop

[@Marcmb]

Hey apc! That's just "Time Selector", very simple mod for changing the time of heist!

[@skeleguns10oooooo10]

Have you ever thought if these sentries were useful, it would control the civs in No Mercy

[@Marcmb]

Hey Skeleguns! There is a mod to be able to do that (called "Sentries Intimidate Civilians"), but sadly they do nothing without the mod :(

[@kolajber7052]

Payday 3 is just dead huh

[@Marcmb]

It's struggling a bit yup... they have new progression systems coming soon, but I just want to be able to play solo without having to sit in a matchmaking queue for 2 to 3 minutes :(

[@Nugire]

Just like everything else the devs made. Payday2 was just a streak of luck for them.

[@420RittzBish]

Hi. Do you have any videos that teach how to play/play stealth in this game? All I can find by searching is walkthroughs. I just want to learn the game so I can actually play the game myself. Thanks.

[@Marcmb]

Hey Rittz! All of my "HEIST GUIDES" have an initial section with tips for the heist, and then a full heist walkthrough (which you don't want to see). Instead, you should check out this playlist kzbin.info/aero/PL58A-apaNVDoYjgQzUky-kFZCNGHWAscT where I explain different stealth concepts in detail (which apply to all heists, and make stealth runs easier). I don't have any for extremely beginner level though... that's something I should do at some point, covering all the basics for new stealthers (will be added to this playlist).

[@420RittzBish]

@@Marcmb Ahh. Thank you so much for the reply! I did find that playlist, but as you say most of it does seem a bit advanced for me. I'll definitely revisit it after I have some more playtime. Thanks and take care!

[@Marcmb]

@@420RittzBish You're welcome! That's the most general things I have yup. Worth checking in the future, as you say. At some point I'll make a short video with the BASICS of stealth, to add at the top of that playlist, for new heisters and stealth beginners!

[@vicelang]

Приятно видеть что в пейдей два ещё играют

[@vicelang]

И снимают по ней видео

[@Marcmb]

Hi vicelang! I used Google Translate to translate your message as "It's nice to see that two are still playing Payday". And yes! I'm gonna be here for a loong time :D Glad you're still enjoying the content!

[@vicelang]

@@Marcmb 😃да я тоже с другом по громкому играю, это прикольно)

[@rabidbadger5260]

Clever, I like it.

[@Marcmb]

Thank you very much Rabid! Glad you enjoyed this one :D

[@Infinite-Gaming-Tales]

Marc Why You Always Use Locomotive?

[@Marcmb]

Hey Infinite! I just love the way it looks, visually it's a great shotgun (and its stats aren't too bad).

[@Kunnoc]

Bodybag case in loud when?

[@Marcmb]

No idea! They recently changed the way Body Bags work, and they all despawn when the heist goes loud... very unfair...

[@miweneia]

that is so damn cool

[@Marcmb]

Thank you very much Miweneia! Glad you liked it :)

[@jange8782]

2:30 That's really a fun little one lmao

[@Marcmb]

Haha extremely rare though! It's really funny that the devs thought of the possibility of sentries being used in stealth, and added that in...

[@RageModeClan_Red]

Hey Marcmb, just asking but what mods do you use?

[@Marcmb]

Hey Unknown! A few too many to list them all, but I have a modding video in the description, where you can see my full modlist, their download links, and install instructions. Hope that helps!

[@RageModeClan_Red]

Thanks for replying but I just checked you desc and found out about it.

[@Marcmb]

@@RageModeClan_Red Perfect!! And very sorry it took so long to reply. I've been busy recently!

[@RageModeClan_Red]

Oh don't worry about replying late

[@wiirlak8681]

Unless it was a mod, I used it once to solo No Mercy. They took care of intimidating the civies.

[@komangky_sc4083]

Good to know, i used it too for scarface and it was good for certain conditions

[@Marcmb]

Definitely a mod yup, since regular Sentries don't have that behavior in vanilla! But a cool mod nonetheless :D

[@AcESupersonic]

i should try this in big oil day 1

[@selphieb1549]

Damn now gonna start using sentries lol

[@Marcmb]

Haha enjoy Selphie! Only some very niche applications, but very cool when you can use them :D

[@omktagh9442]

Does that mean sentry are usefull or useless

[@Marcmb]

Definitely depends on how you use them! :D

[@omktagh9442]

​@@Marcmb we need to put them guard can't spot them like put them on the caméra

[@Marcmb]

@@omktagh9442 Ooh that would be quite smart! Placing them _on top of a camera_ could work well :D

[@omktagh9442]

​​​@@Marcmb if you want to keep the hostage tied without the cop save them take the steps one by one Step 1 : get hostage Step 2 : move all the hostage in one room Step 3 : put the sentry (or silence sentry if you want) And thats it

[@Marcmb]

@@omktagh9442 That would work quite well also yup! Although in this case this is more for loud, rather than stealth :p

[@petcrab7026]

Not that these are highly useful for all stealth heists. Sentry kills on guards still activates pagers obviously, and 90% of stealth in heists use pager guards, and any non-pager guard will be on a heist that's still far too situational to allow for an actual constant guard spawn camping strategy outside of a custom heist mod Still very interesting though!

[@Marcmb]

That's absolutely correct yup. Most of the time you still have to keep the pagers in mind, that's why the best example I could showcase was Shadow Raid. Might be useful in some custom heists though, that's very true! Glad you liked this unusual information :)

[@dastar279r2]

Now the sentry op

[@Marcmb]

New best stealth deployable 🧐

[@CesarZ526]

What shotgun??

[@Marcmb]

Hey Cesar! That's the Locomotive 12G. I recently uploaded a video with my UPDATED stealth build, which has a section where my weapons (and weapon mods) are shown. Here's a timestamped link! kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6S2hYSbpZqYqLc

[@CesarZ526]

@@Marcmb thanks

[@Marcmb]

@@CesarZ526 You're welcome :)

[@kael070]

Your vid has more views than payday 3 has concurrent players, yippie 😂

[@Marcmb]

Ouchhh... really hoping PAYDAY 3 will be able to make a comeback, but it's looking grim...

[@Pappalardium]

But stealth is still buggy isn't it?

[@Marcmb]

Hey Pappalardium! It's not very "buggy" (everything works as intended if you're playing normally, just with a few changes on the range of all noise alerts, and changes on the silent saw trick), but it is true that since U240.3 a lot of things have changed! Main bug right now is the civilian following code, which I showcased in a recent video.

[@pullup3041]

are we ok with the fact that payday 3 don't even exist ?

[@Marcmb]

Hey Pullup! I'm really hoping the devs will be able to bring it back... they should've released Early Access / Beta last year, and no one would've been mad at the lack of basic features. Pretending that was a full release was a huge mistake, and now everyone in the community is disappointed...

[@pullup3041]

@@Marcmb I hope to but it's the fun behind the whole game that deceive me because to have play payday 2 since begining WE Can Say it's become a whole différent game since the begining like payday 3 it's was in fact payday 2 with all dlc perks etc But they make a lot of next gen game boring stuff like lock picking and the gun fight even if it's more beautiful it don't give me the fun I get on payday 2 I hope they make the game better because i bought it for support overkill but I played only 10 hours on it and play like 40 hours on payday 2 since the 3 Sorry my english it's not very good What I want to Say IS I will wait payday 3 to become payday 4 😂

[@Marcmb]

@@pullup3041 They have A LOT of work to do yup. Best thing we can do now is wait patiently, and hope for the best. If they ever fix it I'll play for sure, but until then I'll stick with PAYDAY 2...

[@--Defur--]

[@Marcmb]

Hiiii mistah Difar! Premiere this evening!

[@zeropayday]

im your 2000. wiewer in this video wow

[@Marcmb]

:D Perfect milestone, and thanks for the comment Aziz! Hope you enjoyed this video :)

[@payday2speedrun]

you show a possible use in stealth but the only interessting thing is the pager interaction from below!

[@Marcmb]

Thanks Oliver! Glad you liked the trick with the pagers :D Very useful to save random runs, when nobody can reach the pager in time!