CAN and CAN'T: the importance of Weak Forms

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Dr Geoff Lindsey

Dr Geoff Lindsey

Күн бұрын

Weak Forms play an ingenious role in many important contrasts of meaning, including can vs. can't
0:00 Introduction
1:33 Homographs: that & that
3:23 have & have
4:53 there & there
6:00 two & to, four & for
7:52 strong forms: citation forms etc.
9:30 off & on
10:52 strong negative, weak positive
13:34 can & can't
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@diribigal
@diribigal 11 ай бұрын
As a native speaker of American English. It was a fun surprise to say "I can imagine" with a strong form and to hear my voice unambiguously saying "I can't imagine".
@caramelldansen2204
@caramelldansen2204 11 ай бұрын
another W for british english ;)
@matthewbartsh9167
@matthewbartsh9167 11 ай бұрын
It calls to mind this memorable scene from "A Fistful of Dollars" where the woman says at the 4m 45s mark in what I take to be a Mexican accent: "I can imagine, Father". kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZvIe4qsfZVgsKM
@turnleftaticeland
@turnleftaticeland 11 ай бұрын
You have to say it like “I ken imagine” for it to sound like “can” (and even then you sound like you’re defending your ability to imagine) EDIT: Ok apparently this is just a Philly thing
@jonadabtheunsightly
@jonadabtheunsightly 11 ай бұрын
You can emphasize the word "can", in e.g. a Midwest speech pattern, but you have to *really* emphasize it, very strongly. It's pretty much only ever done when the emphasis has a significant amount of emotion behind it. "You can't do that" / "Yes I *CAN* in fact do EXACTLY that." There is no halfway. You can't put just a little emphasis on it. Go big or go home.
@matthewbartsh9167
@matthewbartsh9167 11 ай бұрын
@@turnleftaticeland kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJ2Tl3ejbK2Gh5I
@2GarlicBreads
@2GarlicBreads 11 ай бұрын
About a year ago, streamer Takanashi Kiara was talking to a friend, and used the phrase "One to Five". However, because she was a non-native English speaker, she pronounced it as "one two five". Her friend, confused, responded "What about three and four?". When Takanashi Kiara tried to clarify, she did it by repeatedly emphasizing the word 'to', the exact problem which caused the confusion. If she had instead used the weak form of 'to' either initially or in the clarification, there would likely have been no confusion. However, the idea that pronouncing a word more quietly could make it more clear is counterintuitive.
@duEprocEss_
@duEprocEss_ 11 ай бұрын
This is an excellent example of how weak forms communicate information.
@htoomyatlin123
@htoomyatlin123 11 ай бұрын
I also thought of the same thing. lmao As an ESL speaker, I struggled a lot with linking vowel sounds to the consonant sounds of next word or properly using weak forms instead of enunciating every single word like a dictionary.
@helenbaumander3953
@helenbaumander3953 11 ай бұрын
Or can create confusion in if you're saying four to five.
@caramelldansen2204
@caramelldansen2204 11 ай бұрын
I suppose you aren't saying it "more quietly" but just... different, and often for a shorter time. The difference between the strong vowels and the shwa are measurable; not just a "quieter" version of any vowel, but rather a distinct vowel of its own.
@guspolly
@guspolly 11 ай бұрын
I was jokingly thinking “nobody show this series to Fauna” but I was blown away to actually see a Hololive reference here, hearted no less
@karlfimm
@karlfimm 11 ай бұрын
As a New Zealander, I've always been baffled by the American can/can't. I've often assumed one sense, then been confused by following statements that seemed to contradict it. Nice to have it explained.
@Kire1120
@Kire1120 8 ай бұрын
Another thing to look out for is a glottal stop at the end of can't which often distinguishs them in many American accents
@funnyman7048
@funnyman7048 6 ай бұрын
I think my accent (SAE) is the easiest American accent to discern since instead of it being cæn vs cæn' it's more like cən vs ceɪn'
@ShizuruNakatsu
@ShizuruNakatsu 6 ай бұрын
​@@Kire1120Yeah. I'm from Ireland, but I thought I was hearing the T at the end of the word every time, even when there was no actual T sound. I just automatically interpreted that glottal stop as a T, to the point where I was surprised it wasn't being pronounced in those examples.
@user-df6mf9mb2l
@user-df6mf9mb2l 4 ай бұрын
I hope you stay baffled, I watch movies from New Zealand and I hear what they are saying and not the accent but I do appreciate your language differences.
@Alden_Indoway
@Alden_Indoway 4 ай бұрын
As a kid in New York State, kids often said, “Ken” for positive and “kæn” for negative, even when stressed. “Wait-did you say we KEN or we KÆN’? “Whaddayoo, deaf?? I said we KEN!”
@matteoaroi651
@matteoaroi651 10 ай бұрын
As a non-native English speaker, when teaching English to my students I usually warn them about how, certainly in American varieties, final Ts are often not fully expressed and it can therefore be difficult to distinguish between "can" and "can't"; I myself thought the main criterion was context, and little else..! Thank you so much Dr. Lindsey for (once again) shedding light on the language so rigorously but at the same time so clearly. By the way, here in Italy students of English are often frustrated by how, as we say, you "eat your words" when speaking (i.e. some words are heavily reduced, sometimes to the point of disappearing); thanks to your videos about weak forms I can now explain exactly how and why the "word-eating" is taking place :)
@David280GG
@David280GG 3 ай бұрын
Its even worse when some people, specially spanish, cant pronounce final t
@jordanwardan7588
@jordanwardan7588 3 ай бұрын
​@@David280GGwell, .. .. no, according to the comment you replied to it's better..
@georgezee5173
@georgezee5173 2 ай бұрын
@@David280GG I'm Spanish and I'd say we actually do the opposite. We tend to overpronounce the final T since it's not a natural thing for us to say.
@TerezatheTeacher
@TerezatheTeacher 11 ай бұрын
As my students said after a lesson on stress in English, "will this be on the test?". I told them there would be no questions aimed at testing unstressed versus stressed syllables on the test, but that they would be included in all spoken English that they would ever see.
@ilghiz
@ilghiz 11 ай бұрын
If you do something just for the sake of a test, you gonna forget right after you leave the exam room.
@matthewbartsh9167
@matthewbartsh9167 11 ай бұрын
@@ilghiz That's not always true.
@debrucey
@debrucey 11 ай бұрын
@@ilghiz nah, I still remember Soh-cah-toa
@Allan_son
@Allan_son 11 ай бұрын
Ever "see"?
@edwardburroughs1489
@edwardburroughs1489 11 ай бұрын
@@debrucey Very good point!
@JoelDZ
@JoelDZ 11 ай бұрын
Something that I don't think gets openly appreciated enough is the way you leverage prestige speech and prestige speakers to demonstrate the prevalence and normalcy of apparently substandard linguistic features. People who are knowledgeable about linguistics aren't always skilled at arguing for the descriptive view of language in a way that makes sense to people who might disagree and I really appreciate the role you're playing by filling that gap.
@meadow-maker
@meadow-maker 11 ай бұрын
There's an old saying, you can lead a horse to water but, you can't make it drink. It's so, so true. People watching this video on the whole are open minded. I know I'm always very happy to take on new ideas because it means I've grown. I don't get attached to any perceived idea of who I am. Who I am isn't the same as what I do or say, besides, who I am is nothing but an illusion. Not everyone thinks like this and they can feel very threatened by someone challenging their idea of who they are. Most of them won't change unless it's coming from someone that they admire. It's intransigence. I present ideas to people and and try not to get worried if they don't accept them. I'm not here to change the world, just myself.
@saiyajedi
@saiyajedi 11 ай бұрын
I especially like the demonstrations of how upper-class British speakers - the King, even! - flap their t’s here and there. As an ESL teacher, I once had a British colleague complain about the pronunciation I was teaching because flapping t’s was “wrong”. On the contrary, it’s a perfectly normal part of native pronunciation with different frequency depending on where you’re from, and _never_ doing it is a telltale sign of non-native speech. The only question is the distribution against glottal stops - British speakers tend to do glottal stops much more often, while on the opposite end of the spectrum, I’ve heard Australian and Kiwi speakers flap their “t”s where I’d do a glottal stop or a full “t”. (My dialect, Inland North AmE, falls in the middle, only using glottal stops within words before weak syllabic /n/ as in “written”, “button”, “mountain”).
@sluggo206
@sluggo206 11 ай бұрын
@@saiyajedi I've noticed this informally -- and linguists have told me pointedly -- that things like glottal stops and flapping that are associated with certain dialects, also appear in others in some situations. My theory is that some sounds and grammatical constructs are part of the underlying language even if they're not in the standard dialects, so they pop up in different parts of the anglosphere and in different generations because they're there lurking under the surface.
@jackgerig8910
@jackgerig8910 11 ай бұрын
@@saiyajedi I'm from Kansas and I never realized that we used a glottal stop for mountain and written! Very cool!
@326Alan
@326Alan 11 ай бұрын
​@@sluggo206I think it's less about underlying representation and more about general phonetic processes (here, it's ‘lenition’)
@sussyhotdog186
@sussyhotdog186 10 ай бұрын
That final example of deleted can in "you [can/could] certainly argue" blew my mind. I know exactly what she's saying, but without her saying it at all! Crazy what are minds are capable of when it comes to language.
@BoraCM
@BoraCM 2 ай бұрын
It's more of an implied 'can' based on context and a little pause.
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 10 ай бұрын
It doesn't work so well when you are singing, though. I never understood why Sting was so emotional about something that didn't bother him much, when he sang "I can, I can, I can stand losing you."
@craigstephenson7676
@craigstephenson7676 10 ай бұрын
Well nothing works well when you are singing, I can’t even determine the syllables in opera even in English. I just watch for the music.
@seredachan
@seredachan 10 ай бұрын
Hello Mr Beige ☺
@FranciscoJG
@FranciscoJG 10 ай бұрын
This is why U2 singing "I can live with or without you" puzzled me so much!
@2adamast
@2adamast 10 ай бұрын
I see repetition as part of the problem, but then I only missed the repetitions before
@darrell20741
@darrell20741 10 ай бұрын
I will never un hear it now! THANKS!
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 11 ай бұрын
Holy shit, after decades of speaking English as a second language, someone _finally_ explains to me why I couldn't for the life of me distinguish American can and can't. Which seemed rather essential a distinction to me. This also explains why Americans would think I said "can't" when I _very_ clearly enunciated the "can". Who would've thought that this was the very problem!? 😄
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 11 ай бұрын
I would!
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 11 ай бұрын
@@DrGeoffLindsey indeed, you would! 😄 None of my English teachers had thought of telling me that though.
@ThorX89
@ThorX89 11 ай бұрын
If you come across American Accent Training by Ann Cook, there's a chapter there (accompanied by audio) on contrasting "can do it", with "can't do it", "CAN do it", and "CAN'T do it". The difference is quite subtle but noticeable. The emphasised CAN is longer than can't (`can't` is stressed and kind of drags the next word into the stressed portion of the sentence too) or CAN'T (more stressed) and with definitely no hint of any little t/d at the end (contrary to `can't`). `Can't` also sounds narrower to me for lack of a better word.
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 10 ай бұрын
@@ThorX89 okay, thanks for the hint but I have to ask: did you watch the video you were commenting under?
@Tim3.14
@Tim3.14 10 ай бұрын
@@unvergebeneidMost native speakers don’t even realize we do this until someone like Dr. Lindsey points it out to us.
@GeoQuag
@GeoQuag 11 ай бұрын
In the ending bit of the video, it’s insane how much I fully hear the entire word “can” at full speed only to hear just a single consonant when it’s slowed down.
@turnleftaticeland
@turnleftaticeland 11 ай бұрын
For real
@GDZipper
@GDZipper 10 ай бұрын
omg quag my man is that really you 😭 you might never see this but damn long time no see lol
@GeoQuag
@GeoQuag 10 ай бұрын
@@GDZipper 👀 it is me
@uoodSJW
@uoodSJW 7 ай бұрын
I think she's saying "you'd certainly argue" (you would).
@QDWhite
@QDWhite 11 ай бұрын
I was reading an article about how negation evolved in French from just being ne + verb ("not + verb” in English) to ne + verb + pas (loosely “not + verb + one step” in English) to nowadays how they drop the ne in spoken french and just use pas. Just as I was thinking how funny that is that French could evolve so drastically and so recently, the article pointed out that English is doing a similar thing right now with “going to”. "I’m GOING TO see my friend" (by travelling to their location) "I’m gonna see my friend" (in the future, but not necessarily by travelling) Always “I’m going to the store", but never “I’m gonna the store”. It’s like the weak form is becoming a modal verb to indicate the future tense rather than motion.
@MNbenMN
@MNbenMN 11 ай бұрын
You say "gonna" is becoming a modal verb to indicate future tense, distinct from "going to", but I think the change happened decades ago. Prolly still gonna be stragglers tho, ngl
@KindredBrujah
@KindredBrujah 10 ай бұрын
"I'm gonna the store" sounds like you're gonna rob it.
@MNbenMN
@MNbenMN 8 ай бұрын
@@troyhailey Many speakers distinguish "gonna" future tense vs. location change usage by different pronunciation of the "o" vowel. "I'm gōnna see my friend" with the long "o" emphasizing that "go" is changing location, vs. "I'm gənna see my friend" where the schwa pronunciation of the "o" establishes that "gonna" is purely indicating future tense. (yeah, I know I'm not using IPA fully here, just for the first vowel in "gonna")
@QDWhite
@QDWhite 8 ай бұрын
@@troyhailey counterpoint: The 'to' in the infinitive is not required to be pronounced strongly just because it's part of the infinitive. E.g., I wanna see my friend. Also, I'm not sure the 'to' in the second instance is a preposition. I'm not going 'to my friend's [house]', I'm going 'to see' my friend. Take "I'm going TO go TO bed. The first 'to' is definitely part of the infinitive while the second 'to' is definitely a preposition.
@QDWhite
@QDWhite 8 ай бұрын
@@troyhailey I don't agree that counts as a preposition, but oh well.
@iau
@iau 11 ай бұрын
Oh man I _can't_ emphasize enough how important this video can be to non-native speakers. This may actually be THE most important topic that gets absolutely completly omitted in any kind of course material I've ever seen. I've picked it up intuitively over more than a decade, but I wish it was explained to me early as clearly as this video does. It would have avoided SO MUCH confusion. Fantastic work!
@AllUpOns
@AllUpOns Ай бұрын
Hey, at least you can feel proud that you learned this the same way that we native speakers do. None of our English classes teach this, either!
@user-th7nx9it3e
@user-th7nx9it3e 11 ай бұрын
This reminds me how when I was a child I did not know of the word "can't" , as I only ever heard it as "can", and I thought the only difference between the positive meaning and the negative meaning was tone of voice and emphasis. This shows I was basically right 😂
@johnstanley3939
@johnstanley3939 11 ай бұрын
It reminds me somewhat of the "could" sound sometimes used in American English in the phrases "could care less" or "could give a damn", which I'm assuming are intended by the speakers to mean "couldn't", but they completely neglect to annunciate the negatives at the ends
@isaacbruner65
@isaacbruner65 11 ай бұрын
​​​​​​​​​​​@@johnstanley3939this is a good idea, but I think it's not right. People who say "I could care less" are not even trying to say "couldn't". They are saying "could". It's become an idiomatic phrase and people don't think about the literal meaning behind it anymore. I still say "couldn't care less", personally, but it seems less and less common. With that said, the idiomatic phrase likely did originate with a weakening of the word "couldn't".
@furlizard
@furlizard 11 ай бұрын
I guess I think of the 'could care less' phrase as implying a second part '...but it's hard to think of how' or some such.
@KayAteChef
@KayAteChef 11 ай бұрын
​@@isaacbruner65 Yes I think so.
@ihsahnakerfeldt9280
@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 11 ай бұрын
@@johnstanley3939 Nah that's just bad English.
@patrickmkiv
@patrickmkiv 11 ай бұрын
I’ve noticed that people often write “too” in place of “to” and thinking about it, it seems to be in places where the word is stressed rather than the weak form which makes sense phonetically.
@nickpatella1525
@nickpatella1525 11 ай бұрын
I have a problem where I might be thinking about one word but my fingers end up typing a completely different word with vaguely similar spelling. For example, I might intend to type “finger” but write “feeling” or something along those lines. Anyway, even though I know the difference between “there” “their” and “they’re”, I often type the wrong one for this reason. Or I type “it’s” instead of “its” very frequently, even though I know the difference
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 11 ай бұрын
@@nickpatella1525 I think frequency effects probably play a role. Speaking and writing are so rapid that they have to be more automated than we often realise. Our minds/fingers will complete a word (like predictive text) with the most likely option, even if it's wrong.
@nickpatella1525
@nickpatella1525 11 ай бұрын
@@DrGeoffLindsey Definitely, like you try to initiate one sequence of muscle memory but initiate a different but similar one by accident
@HenryLoenwind
@HenryLoenwind 11 ай бұрын
@@nickpatella1525 I've been writing more than I used to recently, and I noticed that quite often, I will write the stressed word twice instead of an unstressed word in front of a stressed one. For example, "you have think think" instead of "you have to think". Also, my theres/itses get messed up, and I notice my fingers typed them before my thoughts got to them, often, when they start a new clause I I pause a moment to form that clause in my head before typing it. And, LOL, that "I I" in the previous sentence should have been "and I"---I did NOT do that on purpose.
@RyuuRider
@RyuuRider 11 ай бұрын
I notice myself doing these sorts of things and I haven't seen it from others, and it's always been very baffling to me. I'm thrilled to see that there are others like me, so thank you and the others in this thread for sharing. This felt like an epiphany.
@regalrayquaza7609
@regalrayquaza7609 3 ай бұрын
As a speaker of American English I think even we struggle with can/can’t sometimes. I can definitely recall being asked or asking whether someone said “can” or “can’t”.
@_wittage
@_wittage 11 ай бұрын
One thing you can always be certain about before playing any of Dr. Lindsey's videos is that it'll leave no stone unturned. More power to your elbow, sir.
@beiju6373
@beiju6373 11 ай бұрын
Finally I can explain why I have trouble distinguishing “can” from “can’t” with some of the non-native speakers I work with. The only explanation i could think of was them dropping the “t”, but that doesn’t check out because I also do that (often more so than them). But actually it’s because they don’t use the weak form of “can”, so it sounds identical to their “can’t”.
@davidp.7620
@davidp.7620 11 ай бұрын
As a non-native speaker I have so much trouble pronouncing them differently when speaking casually that I just give up and use mostly "I'm able" or "I'm unable" instead
@ihsahnakerfeldt9280
@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 11 ай бұрын
Do the people you work with use a rising tone when they pronounce "can"? Because theoretically you could pronounce "can" with a long _a_ and still distinguish it from "can't" by the former not having a rising tone, ie not being stressed.
@mailleweaver
@mailleweaver 10 ай бұрын
Body language plays a big role in how things sound as well. I used to have trouble with Indian coworkers because they'd shake their head when agreeing and not their head when disagreeing. Say, "I CAN," with a single nod for emphasis and then the exact same thing with a single shake. Even though the sounds are the same, your mind will hear them differently. It's wonderfully strange.
@MannonMartin
@MannonMartin 10 ай бұрын
@@davidp.7620 It might be worth practicing pronouncing the unstressed "can" as just the consonants in as short and weak a breath as you can and barely at that. Basically try to say, "I can do it." almost like it's two words, "Icndo it." You can even mostly drop the C. Maybe try to get almost as close as you can to just saying "I do it" without entirely erasing "can" from the sentence. Just the barest hint of the word is probably enough... though you don't have to go that far.
@davidjacobs8558
@davidjacobs8558 7 ай бұрын
@@davidp.7620 which is not a bad idea. if the listener don't understand what you said, there is no point in repeating that word over and over again. use synonyms, that's what they are for.
@CptGallant
@CptGallant 11 ай бұрын
Fantastic video. I think even most native English speakers have no idea weak forms are a thing beyond informal speech. They certainly don't teach you about them in school.
@loganstrait7503
@loganstrait7503 11 ай бұрын
In English, the rhythm of a sentence indicates the relative importance of different words and clauses. In Romance languages, this is done instead with stress, while Romance speakers usually speak with a very even rhythm. This is why you can tell right away if a non-native speaker's accent is from a Romance country - particularly the case with Hispanophones in America - they speak in a mono-rhythmic way, and this tends to stick around even if they speak good English otherwise, particularly if they speak Spanish in the home or with their other relatives.
@Destroytion
@Destroytion 10 ай бұрын
Slightly off topic but interesting thing I thought I would share. In Singapore, the colloquial form of English, "Singlish" (Singaporean English), makes a distinction between some of these forms using tones instead of strong and weak forms, likely due to influence from Chinese. So "of" and "off" are both pronounced "ɒf", but with "of" receiving a low tone and "off" receiving a high tone. Same thing with "to" (low tone) and "too/two" (high tone), and "there (existential constructions)" (low tone) and "there (demonstrative)" (high tone). And Singlish doesn't reduce any vowels to schwa. Very interesting imo, there are many other differences I won't say here.
@belle_pomme
@belle_pomme 7 ай бұрын
I don't think all Singaporeans speak like that, but I might be wrong. I'm sorry if this sounds offensive but when I first heard Singlish spoken, it sounded like a creole as a result of imperfect learning of English as a second language.
@jenm1
@jenm1 5 ай бұрын
@@belle_pommeThat isn’t singlish though
@fmkwvejf
@fmkwvejf 5 ай бұрын
I'm so glad someone brought up Singlish! The other funny thing is that "can" is a full sentence in Singlish. "Can we get the bus there?" "Can!" So efficient! And interestingly to the point of this video, the opposite sentence is not the contraction, it's the full 2-syllable form which Dr. Geoff correctly notes that most native English speakers don't use very often. "Can we all fit in one taxi?" "Cannot!" Very clear and never confused with the positive form. The other thing that I picked up when I lived in Singapore, is using "correct" as a clear, unambiguous way to agree with a negative statement. For example, if someone says "This is not going to work", then responding "yes" is ambiguous. Do you mean "yes it will work" or do you mean "yes, you're right, it won't work." I noticed that Singaporeans, if they want to agree with a negative statement, will say "correct", and it's very clear that they mean, "correct, it will not work". I've adopted it into my own speech and it's very effective.
@patrickherke8947
@patrickherke8947 3 ай бұрын
​@fmkwvejf I mean, considering no question was asked, it's a bit weird to respond with yes at all. If i were agreeing with their statement I'd probably say something like "yeah", "yup", or "yeah, it probably won't". Whereas if I wanted to contradict them I'd probably say something like "nah, it'll be fine". Either way I'd never respond with just "yes" as a way of contradicting their statement.
@NihongoWakannai
@NihongoWakannai 3 ай бұрын
​@@fmkwvejf I don't think responding "yes" in that situation would ever imply "yes, it will work" that is just straight up incorrect english.
@timewave02012
@timewave02012 11 ай бұрын
I used to work-in the US in the Chicago area-with a native Chinese (possibly HK) speaker who learned UK English well as a second language, except she had a very distinct way of saying "can not", with what I now understand is the weak form of can, followed by a strongly emphasized NOT. Her way of avoiding ambiguity seems more logical than stressing the CAN, and in any case was an interesting quirk.
@pidgeotroll
@pidgeotroll 11 ай бұрын
As a native English speaker from the US, I use this form of “can not” when I answer a question someone asks like “Can you...?” and I want to make sure my answer is unambiguous.
@ihsahnakerfeldt9280
@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 11 ай бұрын
This is the way most native speakers pronounce _cannot_ though.
@PghFlash
@PghFlash 10 ай бұрын
@@pidgeotroll A "no" should also work, tho
@Phlarx
@Phlarx 10 ай бұрын
@@PghFlash Not always. "Can you see, or am I in the way?" => "No" is ambiguous, and so needs additional information.
@craigstephenson7676
@craigstephenson7676 10 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@PhlarxI would probably go with “yeah you’re in the way”or “nah you’re fine”
@sebastienh1100
@sebastienh1100 11 ай бұрын
I was soooo relieved about the CAN/CAN’T issue when I heard an English native speaker ask another one but from another English-speaking country « did you say can or can’t? » Before that I thought I was the only one (as a Frenchman) to have hearing problems
@nickpatella1525
@nickpatella1525 11 ай бұрын
Yeah. Also when clarifying, we tend to use the citation form, so to really distinguish them, we have to emphasize the n (by lingering on it) or the t (by aspirating it)
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 11 ай бұрын
I can't include every possible caveat in my videos or they'd never end! But of course you're right. Natives have can/'t misunderstandings too. Perhaps that caveat really should have been in the video. Pardon!
@sebastienh1100
@sebastienh1100 11 ай бұрын
@@DrGeoffLindsey - oh well you were already very clear about American English in your video. The confusion is shocking for a French native speaker because we are VERY clear about negative forms. « JE PEUX » cannot be mistaken for « JE NE PEUX PAS » (or in casual rapid speech « shPEU » versus « shpeuPA»)
@notwithouttext
@notwithouttext 11 ай бұрын
@@sebastienh1100 on the topic of french, i saw that in casual speech french people drop the "ne" like "je peux pas" and "t'inquiète pas" (or just "t'inquiète")
@sebastienh1100
@sebastienh1100 11 ай бұрын
@@notwithouttext - yes. But dropping the NE is a grammatical mistake and never to be written or used in good level speech. And on top of being slang, « t’inquiète » is a very very specific case (imperative, and a meaning so very narrow that nothing else would make sense than a negative). Nothing close to the can/can’t anomaly. For instance we’d say « avance PAS » instead of « n’avance pas ». But never « n’avance » because it’d be too ambiguous.
@richarddury1
@richarddury1 11 ай бұрын
Your comparison of short weak-form words with affixes rings a bell with me because, studying 18th-and 19th-century letters, I noticed that many such words were very commonly attached (run together or joined by a linking line): I_am, of_the, at_home, and_back (written: +back), be_bound etc. It is overwhelmingly such sequences as in the examples that are linked. It seems writers subconsciously saw these sequences as forming a unit and reproduced them as such in their writing.
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 11 ай бұрын
Fascinating. Can you refer me to something online by yourself or someone else, with images? If so, geoff@englishspeechservices.com would be best. Thanks
@Reydriel
@Reydriel 3 ай бұрын
Damn, 18th century people were already writing in snake_case before programming was even a thing lmao
@paul_k_7351
@paul_k_7351 11 ай бұрын
I am in awe of how you’ve found all these clips to play that demonstrate your examples so clearly!
@Albertmars32
@Albertmars32 8 ай бұрын
Its super easy, theres a website where you write whatever you want in the search bar and it will spit out a KZbin video of a person saying exactly what you wrote.
@paul_k_7351
@paul_k_7351 8 ай бұрын
OMG I didn't realise, ok much less impressed now, but thank you for the videos all the same! :D @@Albertmars32
@yagmurbugucoskun3188
@yagmurbugucoskun3188 3 ай бұрын
What’s the name of the site?
@MQWalkman
@MQWalkman 11 ай бұрын
I love being able to see the Daleks and Theresa May and a church choir as pronunciation examples, all in one video! :)
@DavidBeddard
@DavidBeddard 11 ай бұрын
I feel like that sudden, extreme close-up of May should have come with a warning, though. I physically recoiled from my phone screen!
@timtranslates
@timtranslates 11 ай бұрын
​@@DavidBeddard Bit harsh on the very best of the last four prime ministers! 😂
@DavidBeddard
@DavidBeddard 11 ай бұрын
@@timtranslates We'll remember her when the west wind moves among the fields of wheat...
@timtranslates
@timtranslates 11 ай бұрын
@@DavidBeddard Isn't that one of the lines the Archbishop of Canterbury says on Remembrance Sunday? Archbishop: At the going down of the sun and in the morning; When the west wind moves along the fields of wheat. All: We will remember her.
@DavidBeddard
@DavidBeddard 11 ай бұрын
@@timtranslates More like the Archbishop of Banterbury, methinks 😉
@charlesgaskell5899
@charlesgaskell5899 11 ай бұрын
I'm totally in awe of the examples you give. How on earth do you manage to track them all down, from such a variety of different times and locations?
@JorWat25
@JorWat25 11 ай бұрын
I suspect YouGlish.
@Guacamole1000
@Guacamole1000 11 ай бұрын
@@Drabkikker THIS IS WHY I SCROLL DOWN AND READ COMMENTS! Holy moly what a killer resource that YouGlish is! I am going to show that to my ESL as soon as humanly possible.
@DerekHarkness
@DerekHarkness 11 ай бұрын
@@JorWat25 Didn't know about YouGlish. I'm going to be using that a lot now.
@branthebrave
@branthebrave 11 ай бұрын
I was guessing downloading transcripts and some Ctrl F
@bscutajar
@bscutajar 11 ай бұрын
@@JorWat25 insanely good and niche resource
@waliaphellps1745
@waliaphellps1745 Ай бұрын
I always struggled differentiating can from can’t, or leave form live. I always thought that this sutelties of strong and weak pronunciation were just accidental, not so meaningful! Thank you very much for clarifying all this.
@m9tarnowski
@m9tarnowski 11 ай бұрын
When I was learning English in primary school in Poland, we were taught that the pronounciation of can't/can are different; "can't" is pronounced with the long/short but distinct ah sound, whereas "can" would always have the shwa sound (though to be fair back then we were taught to just pronounce it like the Polish "e", such as in the word "bet"). After watching this video it now makes so much sense! Also I love how much examplary dialogue you can pull from the archives, Dr Lindsey :D
@gustavoa.belfiore4701
@gustavoa.belfiore4701 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Geoff! I'm an ESL teacher and I struggle with this all the time. I honestly find it baffling that textbooks don't usually even mention this distinction, especially early on with the introduction of 'can'. I'm definitely sending this video to many of my students.
@DerekHarkness
@DerekHarkness 11 ай бұрын
I'm also an ESL teacher. All my textbooks do mention this, but it is usually a tiny section at the tail end of some units, tucked in among the supplemental material that many teachers skip because they don't have time and need to move on to the next unit. Those sections also don't usually get listed in the content pages or index of the textbook. I think this is in part because teaching speech and pronunciation through the medium of a book is rather difficult. Most textbook pages are made up of reading exercises and comprehension exercises. The speaking sections just contain a few discussion points with no guidance. The textbook authors expect the teacher to provide speech training. This demotion of speech within the textbook can lead to some teachers also reducing speech practice within their lessons. In my ESL teacher training, teaching stress as well as teaching strong forms and weak forms were covered. It should be included in your lessons even if it isn't explicitly prescribed in the textbook.
@DerekHarkness
@DerekHarkness 11 ай бұрын
For example, Side By Site 3rd Edition by Steven J Molinsky and Bill Bliss book 2 page 18, has a fifth of a page at the very end of unit 2 covering the weak form of "for" as in "Let's make a pizza for lunch" but gives no IPA to show what the weak form sounds like and has no associated audio file for the students to learn by themselves. It is just left for the teacher to know what the book is suggesting and include it in their lesson even though it is 5 pages later in the book than where "let's make ___ for ___" was taught.
@davidjacobs8558
@davidjacobs8558 7 ай бұрын
best thing to teach to ESL students is to use different words if the listener does not understand what was said, and not repeat the same word again and again that the listener has trouble understanding. so, instead of saying can't, use "can not" and instead of can, use "able to" etc.
@LonesomeTwin
@LonesomeTwin 6 ай бұрын
@@davidjacobs8558 'Able to' and 'possible to' will mark them as forever foreign.
@pyglik2296
@pyglik2296 11 ай бұрын
As a non native speaker I'm quite amazed how well I can understand the weak forms without even realizing it, but I've certainly had problems with can/can't.
@__-fm5qv
@__-fm5qv 10 ай бұрын
Tbh even as a native english speaker its sometimes hard to differenciate the American can/can't! Though with enough exposure it become second nature.
@sweetsingin
@sweetsingin 10 ай бұрын
At 16:56, you say “I find it remarkable”, and I believe you. 😊 I love how much you seem to love this stuff. And now I do too, after watching. 18 minutes flew by. Thank you.
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@KelsieJG__they-them
@KelsieJG__they-them 10 ай бұрын
One of the weirdest little aspects of learning another language, for me, has been actively deciding what accent/dialect you want in your second+ language. Our native language accent is mostly determined by the accents of the people we were around most as babies, but learning a second+ language you get to choose your accent / dialect to some extent, by picking teachers from certain areas or just picking dialects when your teachers explain differences between dialects - for example, deciding if you want to learn Spanish how it's spoken in Spain, Mexico, Argentina, Puerto Rico, etc. etc.
@revangerang
@revangerang 6 ай бұрын
Honestly though!
@Adski975
@Adski975 5 ай бұрын
It's very weird indeed. I'm from Sweden where most english teachers speak with almost an obnoxious exaggerated posh british accent. "Good morning class" was always "Good Mooowning claaws". Despite this, my view of normal "serious english" was an American non-region specific accent. However, I often jokingly imitate other accents like Cockney, Scottish, Irish and Australian and I find them much easier to pronounce than the American. Americans have such gutteral R:s that I can easily get tripped up when speaking fast, while a cockney accent works fine. However, I can't help but feel like I'm "faking" an accent when I speak anything other than American english, so I never do when I try to be serious. It's quite bizarre when you think about it, since I can't fake an accent if I was never raised with one to begin with. That's the bilingual dilemma.
@SmallFry900
@SmallFry900 4 ай бұрын
That's super interesting @@Adski975 ! I wonder why you feel less like you're "faking it" with the American accent 🤔. We Americans know that we sound utterly ridiculous when imitating the Brits. However, for some reason, we usually do not notice when British actors affect American accents.
@michaelnurge1652
@michaelnurge1652 21 күн бұрын
@@SmallFry900 I notice. Unless they're really good, that is. I remember reading one commenter on KZbin congratulating Stephen Fry on his American accent and I wondered if that person was from N. America, or had ever heard one of us speak. I mean, seriously...he's not very good. Loads of others are not very good either, but they seem to think they are. On the other hand, his best bud Hugh Laurie is so good at fake American it's jarring to hear his natural speech if you're used to him as House. House doesn't sound like where you're from but he does sound like someone from another part of the country. Maybe someone born in Indiana or another Midwest state but educated in the Northeast or the UK.
@zzzaphod8507
@zzzaphod8507 11 ай бұрын
Very interesting with many relevant examples, thanks! Sometimes I find the strong form useful: Why do Americans preserve food for long periods of time in containers? Because they can.
@nicholasvinen
@nicholasvinen 11 ай бұрын
I can't tune a piano but I can tuna fish!
@notwithouttext
@notwithouttext 11 ай бұрын
​​@@nicholasvinen i pronounce that /kən tʉwnə fɪʃ/ but i /kən/ see it being strong, in which it's only distinguished by the glottal stop
@ZipplyZane
@ZipplyZane 11 ай бұрын
@@notwithouttext I don't know if I hear the glottal stop so much as I hear the n shorter in the first and longer in the second.
@notwithouttext
@notwithouttext 11 ай бұрын
@@ZipplyZane that too, pre-fortis clipping i think
@ZipplyZane
@ZipplyZane 11 ай бұрын
@@notwithouttext I actually figured out after that post that I sometimes don't even actually say the [n] with "can't." I nasalize the vowel, but never quite get my tongue up to the roof of my mouth before I cut if off.
@EmblemParade
@EmblemParade 11 ай бұрын
This should be required viewing for English teachers. The topic is almost never explicitly taught and obviously critical to both "sounding native" and even communicating correctly.
@timotheos8289
@timotheos8289 10 ай бұрын
“I know that one passed” versus “I know that one passed.” Just blew my mind.
@DavidRexGlenn
@DavidRexGlenn 10 ай бұрын
I have been trying to find an answer to the can/can't confusion for a couple of decades now. Most of the people I asked either never noticed the confusion this creates or thought I was a complete nutter. I finally got an answer in the comment section in one of the previous videos on this channel. I am so happy to finally know why this occurs. Thank you Dr. Lindsey and the commenter who originally answered my question
@turkeysamwich00
@turkeysamwich00 11 ай бұрын
I've noticed about myself that "can" often gets shortened to something like "g'n" most of the time, as in "yeah I g'n try." It's interesting to see that phenomenon contextualized.
@whatabouttheearth
@whatabouttheearth 9 ай бұрын
Alot of times it gets shortened to a very fast "kin" like "eyekin do that"
@litigioussociety4249
@litigioussociety4249 11 ай бұрын
I really love how you point out features that most people have no idea they are saying until they are shown, and at the same time emphasize that it's normal. In casual speech, pedantic people will point these things out in a critical way.
@terezaherrmannova8354
@terezaherrmannova8354 10 ай бұрын
I remember learning English for the first time at age 9 and our teacher spoke with an American-ish accent. When she told us about can't, i was furious. But over the years, i unconsciously started relying on context and intonation and for years now i don't have a problem understanding. However, i think I'll be paying more attention to how my brain interprets can/can't. It's the same with the clicking Ks - I cannot unhear it now and it's slowly driving me mad. Thanks for that, Dr Geoff!
@jesuizanmich
@jesuizanmich 10 ай бұрын
the discussion about that and that and have and have reminded me of how "to be" in English captures all sorts of properties, whereas languages like Spanish have "estoy" and "soy" and Chinese "是" and "在", for instance.
@gretchenpersimmon4162
@gretchenpersimmon4162 11 ай бұрын
This channel's videos are so well done! The clips of native speakers doing the thing in context are so effective at driving home the point. It's an approach that's sorely lacking in most linguistics videos.
@TerezatheTeacher
@TerezatheTeacher 11 ай бұрын
Yup, my Czech students speak like androids. And recently, three middle-aged students have told me that "contractions are ONLY spoken, NEVER written down", with one saying that the use of contractions in an informal letter was a mistake. As I am not a native speaker of English, students sometimes refuse to believe that I might know more about how English works than they do. They argue that the present perfect simple does not exist (because the have "never seen it") or that "family house" is "obviously" the right term for a detached house. They are Czech and their English teacher is Czech, ergo, their level of expertise must be roughly the same, right?
@Moses_VII
@Moses_VII 11 ай бұрын
What happened to respect for the teacher?
@TheLugiProductions
@TheLugiProductions 11 ай бұрын
​@@Moses_VIITo be fair, the comment clearly demonstrates that teachers can be wrong. IMO it's OK to disagree with teacher but then you better be able to back yourself up with a trustworthy source.
@raptor4916
@raptor4916 11 ай бұрын
Just buy an english novel highlight all the non dialog uses of contractions.
@spacexplorer_
@spacexplorer_ 11 ай бұрын
Interestingly, I’ve heard a lot about such troubles with learning English from Czech teachers and students, and only a little from other countries. What's up with that?
@jkid1134
@jkid1134 11 ай бұрын
Your English here is very fluid. If you had not identified yourself as non-native, I would not have noticed. Upon further inspection, there's a sort of break in the flow in the middle, some tricky iambs and vowels and s sounds all together that maybe belie you've done more writing than speaking. I think your students should acknowledge your fluency 😂
@Andyg2g
@Andyg2g 11 ай бұрын
This has quickly become one of my absolute favorite channels on KZbin. As a native English currently trying to learn French, I have become increasingly interested in the subtleties between spoken and written language, so thank you for shedding light on elements of my native tongue that I have never even considered before.
@repeater64
@repeater64 10 ай бұрын
When he said ‘The preposition for’ with the weak form at 8:33 I instantly said out loud ‘the preposition for what?’
@dylanevans3237
@dylanevans3237 11 ай бұрын
For some American speakers, the strong form of "can" can instead be pronounced as "ken", providing a vowel contrast with "can't". I have heard this most often in speakers from the Philadelphia area and other parts of the East Coast, but this pronunciation may be far more widespread. On another note, my favorite weak form reduction of "can" is when it appears between two velar consonants (e.g. "Patrick can go with you") where "can" is pronounced something like [ʔŋ].
@kamilkarwacki9590
@kamilkarwacki9590 11 ай бұрын
I can't read the phonetic alphabet but when I said the sentence it immediately became clear what the symbols represent. Very cool example
@turnleftaticeland
@turnleftaticeland 11 ай бұрын
Lol can confirm re: Philly area. TIL “ken” isn’t universally American
@user-yi7pl3ki8r
@user-yi7pl3ki8r 11 ай бұрын
I heard [ʔ ŋ] in" we can get... " &" You can go... ". I wasn't so sure and I needed someone to agree with what I heard. Am I correct?
@littlesnowflakepunk855
@littlesnowflakepunk855 11 ай бұрын
I'm from Kentucky, but my accent is more broadly midwestern. I also display a vowel contrast between "can" and "can't," but it's more that I pronounce "can" as in the sentence "I can do that," as "kʔn" and "can't" as something like "kanʔ"
@Allan_son
@Allan_son 11 ай бұрын
​@@littlesnowflakepunk855 From central Canada: for me sounds in "can" and "can't" are only slightly different: the vowel itself is very slightly different but the one in "can't" is also a bit longer.
@pomo1238
@pomo1238 11 ай бұрын
I am native speaker from England and i usually can't tell the difference in american pronounced "can" and "can't" and i often have to ask friends, which speak with an american accent, to repeat themselves because of this
@sebastienh1100
@sebastienh1100 11 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for confirming that I am not hearing impaired as a Frenchman ❤ when doing the same mistake
@artugert
@artugert 11 ай бұрын
Even we Americans don't understand each other sometimes, and have to ask which one was meant.
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 11 ай бұрын
@@artugert It's true, should've made this point in the video.
@Aarozinho
@Aarozinho 11 ай бұрын
I can attest to the fact that understanding whether or not one American understands another’s can or can’t is very hit or miss. For me I have to listen to the vowel to tell, and even then I’m not always right.
@FairyCRat
@FairyCRat Ай бұрын
I'm a non-native speaker from France, but my accent has quite a few Americanisms. I usually pronounce "can't" with the American vowel, but that has led to confueion, so whenever it arises, I repeat myself with the British vowel, and a clearly articulated T for good measure.
@user-ju3we4xn2s
@user-ju3we4xn2s 11 ай бұрын
I CAN'T imagine the effort you put through to gather all these fantastic examples!Kudos!
@SwEaTyBaDgErtHiRtEeN
@SwEaTyBaDgErtHiRtEeN 11 ай бұрын
Something your video has made the think of: I've noticed as a Scotsman living in England is that the word "nae" gets missed by a fair few of the natives, for example I'd say can'nae rather than can't and it can lead to situations where the negative intent of a sentence gets lost to the listener.
@David_K_Booth
@David_K_Booth 11 ай бұрын
As an aside, there are regions of England that do something similar. "Canna" rather than "can't" was fairly common in Shropshire in the 1960s. There was a joking expression I heard at school: "You munna say canna, it inna proper". "Canna" was pronounced with a strong vowel, not a schwa, exactly as Geoff argues in the video.
@janetmackinnon3411
@janetmackinnon3411 11 ай бұрын
As a Scot you'll probably never proounce "for" and "four" the same.
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 11 ай бұрын
Great point. I have to limit the content of each video, but I would have liked to mention Scots/ScotE several times. (Of course ScotE 'can' and 'can't' typically have the same vowel, like AmE.)
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 11 ай бұрын
@@janetmackinnon3411 Good point. Can't include everything!
@janetmackinnon3411
@janetmackinnon3411 11 ай бұрын
@@DrGeoffLindsey You make a pretty good try! Thank you.
@vintage0x
@vintage0x 11 ай бұрын
Loved this video. Use of weak forms is also a way of distinguishing between native and non-native english. Speaking as somebody who grew up in London, I've also noticed that the use of weak form (and the schwa in general) is much more prevalent among white speakers when compared to native non-white speakers, of any age. Absolutely fascinating stuff. Thanks as always for the upload, Dr Geoff!
@frertmekyer9747
@frertmekyer9747 11 ай бұрын
Maybe somehow related to Carribean english not having schwa?
@vintage0x
@vintage0x 11 ай бұрын
@@frertmekyer9747 i'm sure it affects that group, but one particularly prevalent example in London is people whose parents/grandparents came from the Indian subcontinent. For example, "cup of tea" /kʌpəv tiː/ in SSB may become the strong /kʌp ɒv tiː/ in non-white english, even several generations in. Interestingly, one might hear Rishi Sunak say "role of" in "the *role of* the teacher" as /rəʊləv/ and in comparison one might hear Priti Patel say the strong /rəʊl'ɒv/
@unpiccolocuore
@unpiccolocuore 11 ай бұрын
@@frertmekyer9747 As a non-native speaker, may I ask how Carribbean dialect is connected to the speech styles of some folks in England?
@orlkorrect
@orlkorrect 11 ай бұрын
@@unpiccolocuore @unpiccolocuore The wave of immigration from the Caribbean to Britain in the years following WWII had a big influence on the dialects now spoken by many ethnic minorities in the UK.
@revolution1237
@revolution1237 11 ай бұрын
@@orlkorrect And it's called MLE.
@precisiond2236
@precisiond2236 11 ай бұрын
You even have short segments of examples, Their brains are shorting out on English. This is classic! Thank You Dr. Lindsey.
@mattcat83
@mattcat83 11 ай бұрын
I've had this problem sometimes when teaching to the point that I will avoid the contraction and just say "cannot."
@yanathecontrarian4863
@yanathecontrarian4863 11 ай бұрын
It's curious that native English speakers do often mix up "to" and "too" in writing, even though they apparently intuitively distinguish between them in speech. Also, as a mostly-native American English speaker, I've definitely had in-person confusions between "can" and "can't" with other native/mostly-native speakers because one of us wasn't sure whether the other was emphasizing "can" or saying "can't". which would go on for several rounds, as one of us asked "can or can't?" and the other would repeat the same exact ambiguous sound. I did assume that Barack Obama was saying "children CAN flourish", with emphasis, at the beginning of the video.
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 11 ай бұрын
In a sense the clip at the start is a cheat. Without context, we naturally lean to 'can', esp. when 'children' and 'flourish' go together semantically.
@ihsahnakerfeldt9280
@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 11 ай бұрын
@@DrGeoffLindsey So how do we distinguish "can't" from emphatic "can"?
@crptpyr
@crptpyr 11 ай бұрын
​@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 just from context I'd imagine
@cephalosjr.1835
@cephalosjr.1835 4 ай бұрын
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 “can’t” is usually appended to the beginning of the following word, while emphatic “can” never is (and has a noticeable pause after it). The real screwy thing is distinguishing between “can’t” and unemphatic “can” pronounced with a full vowel, which usually sound the same.
@aliyousuf2342
@aliyousuf2342 24 күн бұрын
@@DrGeoffLindsey Obama has little linguistic subversions like that throughout all his speeches. He loves spinning a turn of phrase to keep his audience engaged.
@abmindprof
@abmindprof 11 ай бұрын
In NYC stressed can, "Yes, I can" has historically had a different vowel that "can't" whereas even 20 miles west in NJ, they're the same. But that's disappearing. However, there's still a difference because in NYC we preserve the glottal stop in 'can't' pretty categorically, whereas in NJ they don't, we distinguish the two. It's happened more than a few times, I've been confused about whether someone from west of NYC is saying strong "can" or "can't." However, that never happens with New Yorkers.
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 11 ай бұрын
So many details that I can't get into one video. Accent differences in this area are worth another video.
@abmindprof
@abmindprof 11 ай бұрын
@@DrGeoffLindsey totally, but that's based on my anecdotal observations. NJ is remarkably unstudied dialectologically.
@isaacbruner65
@isaacbruner65 11 ай бұрын
Which vowels do you use for stressed can and can't? That's very fascinating to me. Do you know the IPA?
@piotrrybka318
@piotrrybka318 11 ай бұрын
Brilliantly described. I cannot think of anything missing. And those comparisons in slow motion really show the difference. Perfect!
@Valentyn007
@Valentyn007 7 ай бұрын
OMG! I'm Ukrainian but I've used English for decades (in IT and science domain). And I was always wondering how the hell they recognize that little t in "can't". You have revealed this mistery for me, after so many years. Thank you very much!
@ghostofmybrain
@ghostofmybrain 11 ай бұрын
crazy to learn that I've almost never said the word "can't" in my life even though I mean it all the time. This was one of my favorite videos yet.
@georgehiggins1320
@georgehiggins1320 11 ай бұрын
James and John were taking an english test and were asked to write a sentence about a man who was sick. James wrote, "The man had had a cold." John wrote, "The man had a cold." James passed the test and John failed. In other words, "James, while John had had, 'had', had had, 'had had'; 'had had' had had a better effect than 'had' had on the teacher.
@notwithouttext
@notwithouttext 11 ай бұрын
James, while John həd had "had", həd had "had had"; "had had" həd had a better effect than "had" həd had on the teacher. citation form!
@J7Handle
@J7Handle 11 ай бұрын
"James, while John _d had, 'had', _d had, '_d had'; '_d had' _d had a better effect than 'had' had on the teacher. '_d' being the weak auxiliary verb (as haber in Spanish) and 'had' being the possessive verb (as tener in Spanish).
@notwithouttext
@notwithouttext 11 ай бұрын
@@J7Handle you got one part wrong, in citation form _d had becomes had had. so _d had "_d had" should become _d had "had had"
@J7Handle
@J7Handle 11 ай бұрын
@@notwithouttext I would argue not use citation form there since you're not citing the word, you're citing the phrase. And the phrase is '_d had'. Though I'm pretty sure there's no actual standard for this, since you'd only hear it in speech, not see it in writing. If I were saying that sentence myself, I would say '_d had', so in my accent, at least, that's what it is.
@notwithouttext
@notwithouttext 11 ай бұрын
@@J7Handle oh interesting! to me, "had had" has a contrast with the original "had", so the first word is emphasized (it distinguishes the simple past with the past perfect.)
@sahidcm
@sahidcm 11 ай бұрын
This is wonderful and brilliantly explained. As a non native, I hadn't noticed this in my speech, or if I was using it correctly. Now I understand why in the past there was miscommunication when I talked to natives, 😅 years back. Thank you Dr. Lindsey 👍 🎉
@milesrout
@milesrout 11 ай бұрын
Good stuff. I was just saying "I like tht that KZbinr Geoff Lindsey makes good videos".
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 11 ай бұрын
Hear hear!
@MichiaLatia
@MichiaLatia 11 ай бұрын
Wonderful video! Wonderful audio examples and great job using Spanish forms to connect that the English forms are not homophones but homographs
@horsfred
@horsfred 2 ай бұрын
I remember being aware of this distinction even as a child, but no one understood what I was on about. In primary school I asked a French teacher how to say "thut". At first, she didn't know what I meant. When I spelled it out "t-h-a-t", she said it was "ça". I said, "No, miss! Not "that", "thut"! I know how you say "that", but how do you say "thut"??". She had no idea what I was trying to say
@kingman9k
@kingman9k 10 ай бұрын
what impresses me honestly is how MANY examples you kind find of what you aim to demonstrate. That must take so MANY hours of searching
@riz94107
@riz94107 11 ай бұрын
This is the sort of video that makes me wish that I enjoyed talking to people enough to have gone into linguistics. Well done, informative, and entertaining.
@NachtmahrNebenan
@NachtmahrNebenan 11 ай бұрын
I absolutely love your lessons about pronunciation, weak from and the like! It also helps me understanding English better (as a German).
@bobbob-gg4eo
@bobbob-gg4eo 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for such an eye opening, thorough video. It's rare to feel that sense of detailed understanding in such a short amount of time. This was incredibly concise for how much was covered!
@robenkhoury7079
@robenkhoury7079 3 ай бұрын
AMAZING content. I’ve never seen this covered in any sort of English learning material before, yet it’s one of the most crucial aspects of reaching that native-level pronunciation. Will definitely check out your other videos. Thank you!
@driksarkar6675
@driksarkar6675 11 ай бұрын
As an American, I think the /t/ in "can't" is more often pronounced as a glottal stop instead of being dropped, which is also often an important part of distinguishing them. That /nt/ coalescence mainly happens intervocalically, like t-voicing/flapping, and I think I myself would actually prefer "[kẽə̯̃ʔ] imagine" to "[kẽə̯̃n̆] imagine," though that may be because I also often use a glottal stop instead of a flap across word boundaries in general. On Youglish, I think that, of the first 22 instances of "can't", more of the preconsonantal ones sound like [kẽə̯̃(n)ʔ] that [kẽə̯̃n]. That said, word-stress is probably a bigger factor, and it's one I've never thought about, so thank you for making this video!
@jouiboui
@jouiboui 11 ай бұрын
Just wanted to pop in and say that this is just about how I would transcribe how I say "can't" (native Eng speaker from California) and it was amusing to spot another person with similar thinking/pronunciation
@ihsahnakerfeldt9280
@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 11 ай бұрын
The problem with the "can't imagine" example is that if you opt for the glottal stop as a realization of the "n't," you end up with two glottal stops colliding because the first syllable of "imagine" would then also contain a glottal stop which is a bit exhausting to pronounce and flows unnaturally. I bet most people would go for the second variation.
@matteo-ciaramitaro
@matteo-ciaramitaro 10 ай бұрын
​@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280Imagine starts with an /ɪm/ thouɡh not a ɡlottal stop
@Ts-fp5sd
@Ts-fp5sd 7 ай бұрын
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 [kẽə̯̃ʔ. ni magine] is no?
@hbowman108
@hbowman108 11 ай бұрын
In some of the " n't " forms, the American difference between "nn" and "nt" between two vowels is that "nt" is a nasal flap, which British people do not have. For instance, when a British person says "wanna", it sounds like it would if the word were actually spelled that way. I can think of two minimal or near-minimal pairs: between "inner national" and "international", or between "Antarctic" and "AN Arctic", with the "an" emphasized and so not weakened.
@tru7hhimself
@tru7hhimself 11 ай бұрын
every time i hear an american say antarctica, they simply skip the first "c" and say antartica, which is so weird to me that i can't focus on what they are saying anymore.
@kgbgb3663
@kgbgb3663 11 ай бұрын
@@tru7hhimself I'm British, and I think I was well into adulthood before I even realised that that _c_ was there. (No spell-checkers were built into our writing technology in those days.) Everyone I knew said it the way you complain that Americans do. Perhaps it was because I eventually learned that "arctic" (and of course "antarctic") came from "arctos" (meaning bear) that I started putting the _c_ into my writing and speech. But even now, pronouncing it feels as if it might count as slightly pedantic.
@tru7hhimself
@tru7hhimself 11 ай бұрын
@@kgbgb3663 so then it might be a general feature of english instead of "sloppy" pronunciation in america. do you have a rhotic accent? i figured the "k" might be difficult to pronounce between "r" and "t" for english speakers, but that shouldn't be an issue for non-rhotic speakers.
@matteo-ciaramitaro
@matteo-ciaramitaro 10 ай бұрын
I've been trying to figure out what IPA to use for my nt sounds. there's some sort of stop there that I've been sloppily labeling a glottal stop but I think there may be some nasalisation as well. I've not heard of the nasal flap before so that's something for me to look into
@elenna_alexia
@elenna_alexia 10 ай бұрын
It's always interesting to hear about these things that I clearly incorporated into my speech through lots of exposure and practice but never been explicitly taught. Feels like this probably should have been mentioned in the years of English classes I had in school.
@dragoncurveenthusiast
@dragoncurveenthusiast 10 ай бұрын
I love the examples and the replays you do to illustrate your points. They make things so much clearer. Also, as a non-native speaker, I'm quite happy with myself that I'm apparently proficient enough to have been able to tell 'can' from 'can't' in all of your examples, despite the fact that I wasn't aware of how I was doing it before. I definitely remember times when that wasn't the case and things got confusing.
@hjhjhjhlll
@hjhjhjhlll 11 ай бұрын
Excellent video! I think "on" is never reduced to /ən/ to preserve contrast with "in" as well. If reduced, "it's on my car" would be nearly indistinguishable from "it's in my car".
@rivetace
@rivetace 11 ай бұрын
Even "in" remains strong; although it's similar to /ən/, the difference is clear enough to distinguish them. Compare "The dog in the car" to "The dog and the car" for example
@AjarofAjar
@AjarofAjar 11 ай бұрын
To my CanE native ear it would also sound ambiguous with -in(g)
@Tyuf_
@Tyuf_ 11 ай бұрын
never realized 'til now that I could intuitively hear the difference between can and can't even when the t isn't pronounced, huh, that's neat
@spooderman9122
@spooderman9122 11 ай бұрын
Even though I'm not a native I've picked up most of this stuff without even noticing it.
@4ffff2ee
@4ffff2ee 10 ай бұрын
ahhhh, nothing makes me more insecure and self aware of my spoken english than your vids, thanks man
@Stijn23789
@Stijn23789 5 ай бұрын
Having watched the first videos on weak forms, this is what really makes it click for me. It seems to be such a subtle detail but I can almost guarantee that this will change my accent so much. I've been learning English for 12 years now, but it's only recently that I've been trying to sound more native. Your videos are a great help, thank you so much!
@chagrined4days
@chagrined4days 11 ай бұрын
I always love your videos and this one was no exception! Something I (native American English speaker from the Midwest) have never thought about before but now that you mentioned it I'm sure I'll notice it all the time.
@HxTurtle
@HxTurtle 11 ай бұрын
world class video-you're quite the next level, sir! incorporating this valuable knowledge some twenty-odd years ago when I learned English as a second language would've helped me like a ton!
@randomname285
@randomname285 9 ай бұрын
I love the little smile on your face at the end when you're demonstrating strong and weak forms of can in the context of the sentence describing them
@santiagolerin
@santiagolerin 10 ай бұрын
Okey, so I'm a non native speaker, and I would sometimes get this right, and sometimes I'd get this wrong, but you, Sir, just gave me the key to understanding what I was doing wrong. It's very common for other people in my country to not be able to understand me when I use weak forms while I had full on conversations with native speakers no problem.
@gruu
@gruu 11 ай бұрын
FINALLY someone makes a comprehensive and detailed video about this phenomemon, kudos sir!! It's really difficult with english as a second or third language to reach a level when "that that, do do, of off, can can't" just flows naturally when speaking but it's SO important for sounding natural. Thanks again Geoff :)
@stevencarr4002
@stevencarr4002 11 ай бұрын
Loved you getting John McEnroe to explain English pronunciation.
@SnackMuay
@SnackMuay 11 ай бұрын
I loved that clip too!
@mirrortarget5729
@mirrortarget5729 10 ай бұрын
This actually helps a lot, since I sometimes think someone says "can't" when they're saying "can", or vice versa. I'm not really great at consciously telling when syllables are stressed (as any teacher who's tried explaining iambic pentameter to me can verify), but videos like this explain things to me in a way that I can use. Thanks!
@jo-mi4966
@jo-mi4966 10 ай бұрын
Haven't commented before but these videos are always so fascinating and informative! Great channel to learn about the English language and I always recommend it to non-native English speakers I meet as a fun and informative learning source!
@GrigoryTingus
@GrigoryTingus 11 ай бұрын
i absolutely adore your videos. I teach english to spanish speakers (as a language exchange, so im not officially a teacher), and i always find myself sending them your videos so they can understand the language better. ive recently graduated from medical school, but i'm thinking that i'll have a career change one day and teach english with proper credentials. i just find languages so fascinating and your videos certainly inspired me to learn more about the way we speak!
@Guacamole1000
@Guacamole1000 11 ай бұрын
this video is bloody excellent Dr. Lindsey. I am showing this to my advanced students of phonetics tomorrow! Going over word stress in the English rhythm has been quite difficult especially going over weak forms and homograph heterophones. This video is just what I needed. Thank you!!!
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 11 ай бұрын
Hope it works!
@diassmaker
@diassmaker 10 ай бұрын
This is actually a masterclass on weak forms! Thanks so much for sharing, sir!
@jasonhorn901
@jasonhorn901 10 ай бұрын
Great work! I really appreciated you taking the time to put this together and share your insights. Keep up the great work!
@nevinmyers1245
@nevinmyers1245 11 ай бұрын
I hate that most translations of haber and tener into English will say they both mean "to have." I thought for the longest time that haber was like a synonym to tener because those translations didn't make the distinction between the two different English words that are written as to have. A better translation for haber might be "to have done," which is slightly inaccurate but much more clear in its purpose.
@Gandalf_the_Black_
@Gandalf_the_Black_ 11 ай бұрын
Or just haber: to have (auxiliary)
@christophercooper6731
@christophercooper6731 11 ай бұрын
I'm sure better dictionaries exist. Everyone knows that have/haber are both main verbs and auxiliary verbs in English and Spanish. They are both used in the same way to form the perfect tense and to have (possess).
@Osama_Abbas
@Osama_Abbas 11 ай бұрын
Extremely useful as always. Thank you!
@LordMidichlorian
@LordMidichlorian 10 ай бұрын
I really needed this. Thank you. So many times I've got the problem of someone saying a negative and thinking he's said a positive and only understanding it after thinking on the context.
@Sakanakao
@Sakanakao 3 ай бұрын
I've observed examples of this for years but never had a word or category to explain it. This was really fascinating, and puts a lot of things I thought of as special cases into more clarity.
@thejoin4687
@thejoin4687 11 ай бұрын
Vader: Th'r IS no conflict. Non-native Vader: There is NO conflict.
@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe
@YourIQDoesntMeanShitToMe 10 ай бұрын
I just mainly want to thank you for the subtitles! They were extremely well done. And you removed them during the example-videos. I know it's like "duh, big deal" - but as someone slightly hard of hearing and preferring to watch absolutely everything with subtitles, so I can catch every word and focus better (helps with ADHD too) - this is unfortunately not as common as it should be for people like me. It's like a gift from God whenever we see subtitles like this, I don't need to rewind 15 times to try and figure out what someone said, only to still not hear it and having to move on. I can absorb everything. The worst thing is when a creator has disabled CC for a video, I will never understand why they do that, or why it's even an option? It's so unnecessary that it often infuriates me when I can't hear the funny parts of a video, for example. What infuriates me is not understanding why. It literally makes no good difference to ban the CC in a video whatsoever. I hate it a lot. Edit: Definitely subscribed. There are sooo many, countless times I've wondered about where exactly we hear the different in can/can't when it's without a clearly audible T. So today, this wondering finally ends. I think I would have wondered about this for the rest of my life. Lol. Thank you for the video.
@hufuhufu
@hufuhufu 10 ай бұрын
This was really insightful. I'm always confused about how to differentiate can and can't, but this video answered it and delivered more. Thank you
@BrunoBarcelosAlves
@BrunoBarcelosAlves 10 ай бұрын
- Can you hear the difference? - Of course I can'ᵗ
@pedrosmotaj1897
@pedrosmotaj1897 11 ай бұрын
Impeccable as always. By far my favourite linguist 👏👏👏👏👏👏
@pseudo_goose
@pseudo_goose 11 ай бұрын
In the "that" example, I realized I often pronounce them both strongly quite often. The larger difference is in the intonation/stress/rhythm of how I say it, which is probably aided a little bit by context from the particular conversation. In "I know [that one passed]", the stress is on the "that" (and I might even add a weak "conjunction that" before it to further emphasize it - edit: you pointed that out right afterward!). But in "[I know] that [one passed]", there is more stress on "know" and "one" (American English is my native)
@junkboxxxxxx
@junkboxxxxxx 11 ай бұрын
I like that Correct English at any time is whatever and however the Monarch speaks.
@RickGGb1
@RickGGb1 4 ай бұрын
I just realized that when I'm not sure whether someone said "can" or "can't", it's usually because they said "can't"... Very useful video :)
@kotyashkotyash873
@kotyashkotyash873 11 ай бұрын
I ADORE your choice of speech examples, it somehow covers almost the whole range of my youtube favs😂 as russian i can't overestimate your work, one simple concept gives +100500 to high speech recognition, pain free😅also copying accents mindfully goes faster❤love english😭
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