Can Angels Have Sex? - With Timothy Alberino | Tough Clips

This is a clip featuring Timothy Alberino from our talk on the Nephilim Kings (The Unholy Usurpers). Find the full show below. Enjoy!
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[@davep8740]

Very wise! Nice that he connects the dots to draw a complete picture.

[@00leaveralone]

Answered some really important questions; thank you both.

[@brorow6821]

What I didn't mention is how they pester and harass me and they seem to know things that the average human beings don't know like where and when I'm going somewhere and somehow they just so happen to be there it's very Weird and aggravating at the same time.

[@00leaveralone]

@@brorow6821 you saying that horny angels are following you around? What, like the shopping mall, work or the gas station? Not sure whatchu mean otherwise.

[@brorow6821]

@@00leaveralone No that's not what I'm saying.

[@user-hn1el1ck7c]

They definately can if they are incarnated in a body. Ebtire nations today are angels. The Rh Negatives.

[@tinahenry3814]

Fascinating discussion

[@user-tu4ww7si9f]

Thank Timothy. Always causes me to think.

[@RanchExplorerHQ]

I just love 💕 waking up to topics like this😃👍. So eloquently answered. Well stated “Angels are Extrinsic Immortals, which is conditional” such an interesting answer, disrobing… vampires… Yes it’s entertaining at the very least!

[@kristjiannne]

If angels weren’t supposed to procreate, then why did they have the equipment?

[@womandela7225]

They're not supposed to procreate with humans... that's all we know for sure.

[@sunshinedayz7032]

That is my question, as well.

[@windyday8598]

where does scripture say that angels have penis' and sperm sacks? scripture says that angels are spirits. why do you assume angels are men? androgynous? the bible records angels appearing as men on earth, sent by God/with God. . they did eat, abraham said so. entertaining angels.

[@markd3250]

They don't. Our bodies are machines that we live in. The process of procreation was given to us via the design of male and female, so we could reproduce our own kind. Angels are able to generate the energy code to manipulate our machines, but since there aren't any female angels, they can't reproduce their own kind; only a hybrid mix of us and them which did not turn out well.

[@cindyski4413]

Thought of this question deeply, my guess is that fallen angels did the same stuff that they sometimes do now, abduct women and through technology extract and mix their DNA with them. I personally think that they are behind all the futuristic technology. They are the ones behind the sentient cyborg little green/grey so called aliens. They are spiritual beings that have us all fooled, to an extent.

[@qmaube1]

You two answer a lot of my questions

[@user-qd7jn6mh9w]

Like the sons of God leaving the mountains and joining the party at the bottom but unable to pass the stones of fire after their party "Satan is cruel" great stuff JRB 🦋 scotland

[@sabrinanascimento5248]

We are spirit and flesh.

[@user-MetalAngel]

Yes. But did you know that we are more 'space' than we are flesh? That is because the space between our molecules and atoms comprise of is more are than the mass of our flesh.

[@johningle1]

From Testament of Reuben: For thus they allured the Watchers 1 who were before the flood; for as these continually beheld them, they lusted after them, and they conceived the act in their mind; for they changed themselves into the shape of men, and appeared to them when they were with their husbands.

[@raymondblanchard2213]

The way the book of Enoch seems to explain that the fallen angels left their physical habitation of their physical bodies to gain bodies that can procreate. THIS would mean that there is no contradiction of “people are like the angels in heaven that do not have the type of body that procreates. 👌

[@sabrinanascimento5248]

Demons are disembodied.

[@user-MetalAngel]

@@user-oq9hn7qk4j Actually they are completely spirit beings, but they can incarnate.

[@ritaspeers1259]

If there are male angels complete with gonadotropin, why do some say there are no female angels at all? Did the angels grow gonadotropin after leaving their first estate?

[@ScottStephensTV]

At 8:30--9:02 and 12:15--12:25, Timothy conspicuously omits the Holy Spirit. Is Timothy binitarian?

[@bobbycain3719]

I really like Tim; extremely smart guy but he gets into a real dangerous territory when he starts to say the genesis narrative is allegory

[@drapedup76]

Yep 😒

[@annemurphy9339]

But he’s only saying he believes the “tree of life” represents Yehovah God, not that the entire book is allegory. I believe scripture is literal, but it does make use of metaphors and parables: Satan as a roaring/devouring lion, believers as sheep, false religions as a harlot, etc.

[@jamesmcclaren9759]

In the last Thor movie, the antagonist, eats the fruit of a god just before being chosen/corrupted by a divine weapon to kill other gods…

[@aaronwilcox6417]

Its not speculation to associate vampirism with the partaking of blood. God declares the life is in the blood. Occult practices understand this. These entities in history have called for innocent blood of babies, children, virgins. They understand perfectly well the significance of blood. What they cannot recieve is blood of Christ that gives real life. Steve Quayle and David Lankford did an amazing talk about the blood of Christ and blood on the Hagmann Hagmann podcast years ago. Worth listening to.

[@brianj5495]

According to Jubilees, the Elohiym are circumcised males... Jubilees 15:27  For all the angels of the presence and all the angels of sanctification have been so created from the day of their creation...

[@MarshaDawn20]

Can an angel materialize and de-materialize? If so, then doesn't that make them immaterial, which means "spiritual, rather than physical" according to the definition? Not a '"solid" being? I don't know the answer and that's why I'm asking, as this was an interesting talk, and I've always wondered. Thank you.

[@MarshaDawn20]

@@SunSparkles I meant showing up or APPEARING out of thin air--I mean they don't just drop or fly down from heaven, now do they? I'm just asking pertinent questions, especially for people that ask me the same things...I know what they ARE I just don't know HOW they get here or what is the mechanism. Hope that clarifies...

[@anthonylabeau6159]

Sometimes the answers are simple, like you can compare it to the story of Lot, in Sodom .

[@MarshaDawn20]

@@anthonylabeau6159 I understand, Anthony, but that still doesn't reveal the exact _mechanism_ of HOW angels arrive here in our dimension, for lack of a better word---but thank you for your input, as everyone's input is meaningful. We've all learned in different ways, but I _hope_ in these last days, that we can at least be unified. I'm just trying to have a complete picture and gain more of an understanding as I believe this is all very interesting. All of the things of God interest me and help me to love Him even more! What a wonderful and awesome God we serve:)

[@anthonylabeau6159]

@@MarshaDawn20 , yea I know what your talking about, I don't think anybody does, not even the experts, i use to want a supernatural experience, but the more I learn, I think ill pass.

[@MarshaDawn20]

@@anthonylabeau6159 Yeah--I understand and can see why, now that I know what I know, a supernatural experience might not be what we expect!

[@user-qd7jn6mh9w]

Imagine the time when we will actually see ADAM AND EVE our father and mother of olden time, what a hard time those two must have had becoming earthly and fleshly the father understood and seen them through the worst, I don't think Adam has to long to wait now JRB 🦋 scotland

[@TRUTHRULES777]

I always felt the same thing if they could want that and do that they really aren’t that different than humans. Because they have the choice because I believe God always gave all humans the choice. And probably all angels source or watchers. Whatever you wanna call them. I’ve always felt that too, and that is always been another reason why it’s been hard for me to really grasp and religion because something just didn’t feel right. I do believe in the creator and a good, God created this beautiful earth and this beautiful home did not build itself, but there’s a lot of odd things that just never sat well with me.

[@mayreign77xperience74]

If u have read the Bible the answer is yes. I think it’s hard for people to get that they are like humans but better because humans. The book of Jasher tells us that all angels come circumcised and the ones that left their first estate definitely did have sex.

[@jamesmcclaren9759]

Nah idk… Wives could be a legal term for legal purposes. I speculate that Angels probably did not copulate as humans do , they twisted or corrupted by some means. How? Idk, but I again speculate it was by mixing some special ingredients; a couple of which may be divine blood/flesh of the angels or Adam(?) perhaps… or Cain, or Lilith… of some type, and divine fruit taken of the garden… the secrets and supply of which may have been even then been in high demand, in short supply, and fermented and mixed with some divine “essence” creating some such concoction of these two ingredients, this may have lead to the abominations that we refer to as the nephilim. Finding and “selling” this to “solution” and it benefits to select groups and peoples in order to push forward their agendas would not have been very difficult for the fallen angels. The proposition of having clear advantages over your competitors for resources- some would sell or experiment on their offspring if they were desperate enough. Again I don’t necessarily believe these angels were impregnating these women the way some researchers insinuate. Maybe perhaps introducing their branded concoctions during the pregnancy process of the women they “collected”, meaning having those women drink the koolaid at specific times before term altered the developing offspring into something crazy, depending on the mixtures and times of ingestion, the habits and appetites of the mothers, with the wild card factors in full effect, the babies may look and behave very different from one another and may have even become characteristic of certain clans. This also kind of lends itself to the origins of vampire lore, vampires whom like the watchers were forbidden to look toward heaven or the sun. Whatever the enhancements need for “super soldiers” was now at an all time height whatever the costs. Eating of divine flesh or blood (unholy communion), even the now syrens being doomed to inhabit caves, or dark forests, or the remote sea places… even corrupting the nature of animals (dinosaurs that lay eggs) and insects that drank of this blood or flesh imbibing during these times, even their offspring changed or devolved as well. Becoming, larger, or more dangerous, violent, parasitic, ornery, hungry…

[@mayreign77xperience74]

@@jamesmcclaren9759 interesting but the Bible says they went in unto them and bare children. Explain Genesis 6 sounds like sex as we know it.

[@jamesmcclaren9759]

@@mayreign77xperience74 yes, but the Bible sometimes words things in a way that’s interchangeable not saying it’s not possible just that if we go down that road it conflicts with certain things later on. When I read “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” Revelation 3:20. Context clues tells us that though worded a certain way, it likely means something non-sexual. Come in, went in could mean entered into a covenant, or a fellowship, a contract, or deal, an agreement. “And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel.” Genesis 4:1- Right here, just two chapters prior, the Bible shows us how it expresses when the hanky-panky is going down.. unless a new author tagged in I don’t see why they would all of the sudden change how they refer to the “deed” that produces offspring being done, know what I mean? It’s possible the angels played the role of a doula or midwife/scientists, like crisper before crisper. If the angels were now able to impregnate women the old-fashioned way, how they were all the sudden biologically capable of doing so is something else I’m pondering… Genesis 6 reference to sons of God, and 1 John 3:1-3 “3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.” Is evidence that sons of God is a position, estate, or title more than it is a traditional lineage that differentiates men from angels. Sons of God could be referenced to Godly men that married and had children, some of which may have been tampered with by external crafty or influential forces… just as Noah’s father suspected had happened to him when he laid eyes on his newborn son for the first time. *That* story is a clue that *that* occurrence was not exactly unheard of in those days-

[@BentIronBins]

Yes i agree if the angels found the women beautiful as the Bible says then they probably had sex. The watchers were angels that looked like man no wings

[@mayreign77xperience74]

@@BentIronBins Exactly and many times angels are said to not have wings when encountering humans. I’m like hello we were made in their image so we look like them and we entertain them unaware cause they look like humans 😂

[@christinechurch8181]

If these were from the first creation, be for this one check it Gen 1: that is a continuation of Jer4:23-:27

[@boneman538]

Seems that when in scripture it is written: "let us make man in our image...be fruitful and multiply" -- it is not El [singular] who is saying to do this [emmanuel=with us is El the almighty God] -- it is the created beings or the elohim [plural] who choose to eat of that tree in an attempt to 'live forever' (forgoing the first estate which is the immortality/proximity to the Creator)--whereas the covenant of Christ and His church via marriage (on Earth as it is in Heaven) is a sacrament and if done in unity with the Creator and with the right partner...it seems that is much different than the watchers pursuing the lusts of the flesh

[@randymcadoo8977]

Are there female angels?

[@BobTilton]

No

[@zandibeem3736]

Be careful to entertain strangers, for in doing so, some of you have entertained angels. This scripture tells me that they can manifest as flesh and bone humans. When you think about cross breeding a 30 foot tall being with a 6 foot tall human, that boggles the mind unless there was some shape shifting going on there

[@truthhasnoagenda3785]

Love this topic. Of course I cringe when I hear the word planet as scripture does not describe the earth as a spinning ball but everything else makes complete sense

[@joyalways1179]

Fallen Angels choose the fallen state that man is in, to engage like man. These fallen beings were like Adam and Eve before the fall. Free will all around.

[@user-qd7jn6mh9w]

Don't you think the angels who rebelled were "conned" deceived into doing what they done? Or could Satan have made them do it having authority over them, they lost so much

[@CaAnPeSe4ever]

The angels weren't 'conned' by Satan because unlike mortal human beings , the angels know everything and yet the fallen still chose to rebel against God. God will forgive mortal humans, but never the angels that rebelled.

[@user-qd7jn6mh9w]

@@CaAnPeSe4ever Satan did promise the angels he was ruling over that they would be as God's and worshiped on the earth, although he obviously put it in ways that I can't, he convinced them so much they tried to overthrow the loyal angels and take heaven for themselves, they were hurled to the earth by the almighty all of them, I beheld Satan fall as lightning from the heavens to the earth, a rebellion basically which is ongoing with powers and principalities, soon to come to a head on the day of the lord when he will be thrown into the river of fire and his companions, until then always remember we already have the victory through Jesus christ keep your eyes on the father. God bless and all the best John scotland

[@kurakuson]

Van Helsing vs Vlad the Impaler (Count Dracula)

[@victoriaconnor8295]

Did angels have both genetilla on one angel? Also, would it have been an angel fallen spirit and not physical? Like Jesus Christ Yeshua Messiah father was The Holy Spirit, not Joseph his step father or King David.

[@sabrinanascimento5248]

I am an Angel 👼. I am an Earth Angel.

[@drapedup76]

The vampire theory was posited by Dr. Ruckman back in the 60’s

[@Carladc1956]

I’ve read a couple of fictional books and saw a movie that portrayed vampires as sons of Judas. Found that take on vampires interesting.

[@RatdogDRB]

Another way to consider it is this: God's mandate was for the inhabitants of the earth to be fruitful and multiply. God's Word does not state that is a part of being in heaven. So, when they (Watchers) left their first estate (heavenly home) and made earth their home, God's law of reproduction capability would apply to them as well. They were then free to participate in God's allowance for reproduction. Another thought that came to me as the discussion of the origin of vampirism was being speculated on... was this the reason for the ancient human sacrifice, giving of the children? Their blood used to sustain fallen angelic entities? This causes me to also wonder if the sustaining properties of that blood was higher when there is less sin associated with those given to sacrifice? It's the same story over and over, "virgins" to be sacrificed. Fast forward to modern day. Is there ANY more pure and sinless than an unborn child? A billion abortions. Are those innocent lives sacrificed to build up the strength of the fallen angelic beings in preparation of the final battle against God and His seed? The Bible tells us the life of the flesh is in the blood. Is human blood the "next best thing" to the sustaining properties of heaven's tree of life? Interesting concept to ponder within the realm of speculation.

[@RedeemedbyHisLove]

It’s not contending, it’s trying to understand how it worked, how it was possible.

[@GramGramGenX-ln5sc]

Short answer: yes.

[@LEGIOUSIAM888]

😳

[@GramGramGenX-ln5sc]

@@LEGIOUSIAM888 Read the Bible if you want to know more about sexy angels lol...

[@sage_morales8535]

I absolutely love tim! And a huge fan! But I can't help but disagree on some points!! We're not supposed to limit God not Bielieving his angels are capable of manifesting into mechanical like objects is a form of limitation of his ultimate power

[@johnjohnson798]

I highly respect Timothy, but I have to respectfully disagree with a part of what he said concerning the watchers. You see humans get to participate in creation and with god, can create a life. The father and mother give 50% of their dna, and god imbues a soul. So putting myself in the watchers shoes, perhaps they wanted to participate in a small part of creation, and have children. Or perhaps they wanted to experience love in a more intimate bonding than they could have in their first estate. We need to realize they are not slaves, to be beckoned and called by the master. Slavery is wrong in all estates. Even if every time an angel uses his free will down here he gets punished, from the accounts we do have. So for wanting to be able to experience loving a wife, and children, they were punished. Even if we believe all of their children were evil, and that's a big "if", anyone whos a parent knows that if all you do is punish all the time, and never teach, then they will never learn.

[@markd3250]

There's a difference between spirit and spiritual. Spirit is pure energy. God is spirit. The Father is absolute, perfect pure energy. Energy is a substance and can take form, and God can shape energy into whatever form he wants. He created all the angels directly himself. There are no female angels. All the angels are male, and they are the sons of God referred to in the Bible. They do not reproduce. When God created Adam, this caused a stir among the angels, because although similar to them in form, he was different in that he had a mechanical outer body that he lived in, while the angels are pure spirit. This began the questioning by the first created son, Morning Star (now known as satan or lucifer) of what their father was doing and why. However it was when God created Eve, that things changed drastically. It angered Morning Star so much, he was able to convince a third of his brothers to join him in a very vocal protest to this. Not only was Eve quite beautiful, but God had given her the ability to reproduce their own kind, which was something he had not given the angels. The point of contention was a VERY vocal and intense "why!?" What was the purpose of this? And why was God elevating these new creatures to the same level of family as they were? They were clearly nowhere near as powerful or impressive as they were. In other words, they were simply not worthy of what God had given them. Their view was God had, and was, making a mistake. This was the foundational basis of their grievance, and it rapidly became an obsession; focusing especially on Eve. This is why Morning Star used the serpent to tempt Eve to disobey God, because if she did, that would prove his contention that these creatures were not only not worthy to be at the same level as they were, but creating Eve and giving her the ability to reproduce their own kind was a huge mistake. If he could get her to kill herself, that would prove his point beyond question, and at the same time eliminate her as well. The serpent knew full well that God doesn't lie, and if Eve ate or even touched the fruit she would die as God said, and that's what he wanted. It was an attempt to murder her by suicide, a hideously wicked and evil thing to do. However the angels that were protesting and rebelling forgot one very important thing; God is God. He can make whatever he wants to make, and call it whatever he wants to call it. Their rebellion showed they didn't really care about their Father at all; they only cared about themselves. Despite their anger and the intensity of it, they weren't allowed to openly destroy Adam and Eve, they could only tempt, because Adam and Eve both had free will and the angels are not allowed to violate that. The fact that God could establish and enforce that requirement should have given them a clue, but they chose to rebel anyways. Since angels are beings of pure energy, they can manipulate energy as God does, but only to a point. They are not as powerful as their Father God, which is something they would have done well to remember, because now they've given up all that they had, and instead their inheritance will be given to those humans that Jesus has redeemed; the very creatures they so despise and claimed weren't worthy to receive any of their inheritance. Angels don't have sex as flesh and blood men do, but they can replicate the energy that sex is a mechanical approximation of. All our physical actions generate energy signals that are a shadow of the full power versions in the spiritual realm. The seed of a human man is an energy form with very specific instructions embedded in it. The egg of a human female is also an energy form with a corresponding set of instructions embedded in it. When those two instruction sets combine, that initiates the construction process to create a human being. Just as the Spirit of God instilled the male instruction code set from God the Father into a seed of Mary, who gave birth to the human form we know as Jesus, so the angels can do somewhat the same thing. However the rebellious ones are limited in their knowledge of the instruction set, so while they could cause the birth of Nephilim (who were born through women of Cain's line), they were only physically powerful, not spiritually powerful the way Jesus was. We have literally been in the middle of a war between rebellious, disobedient angels and God, almost since the beginning when Adam was created. Their focus has been mainly on human females, and their ability to reproduce, including their babies. They do everything they're allowed to, to defile, disrupt, degrade and interfere with it as much as possible, including the defilement and perversion of the relationships females have with males. All of this is a diversion really, to take our attention away from God and onto ourselves, the exact same playbook that was used on Adam and Eve. Take note how that turned out for them. Turn away from it, and turn your eyes and heart to Jesus, the only begotten son of God. He was telling us the absolute truth when he said he was the way, the truth and the life, and no one comes to the Father except by and through him. He gave us one new command "A new command I give you. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." We need to study that, use the Bible to study him, and look carefully at the description of that love Paul wrote for us in 1st Corinthians chapter 13. It begins with "Love is patient, love is kind...." It's not about sex or any outward thing really; it's all inward, and as Jesus said, the things he teaches are "Spirit and they are life; the flesh counts for NOTHING." The wise will believe him, believe IN him, and follow him, but it's our choice to do so, or not. Choose wisely.

[@markd3250]

@@user-oq9hn7qk4j Angels don't have sex because that function is purely a mechanical construct of flesh and blood, and angels are spirit; they are not flesh and blood. The serpent in the garden was a flesh and blood creature; it was not Morning Star who was an angel. The serpent's physical form was changed in an instant when God cursed it, but Morning Star was not changed like that. The serpent was his favorite creature however, and it enraged him when God changed it. This is the reason why Morning Star made it his mission to use it as his symbol/identity to continue influencing humans. It's an act of defiance against God for what was done to the serpent. If you've studied human history, you'll note how prevalent the serpent is in so many cultures and still is even today. Dragons are merely amplified serpents; amplified to be greater than any animal God made. There's a tremendous amount of ego and defiance involved in all of this. Satan simply means 'accuser', because that's what Morning Star began to do incessantly in his grievance against us and for God making us. It's literally a nickname, though he has been known by many names throughout human history. The moment you tried to squirm away from the difference between angels and us, you compromised yourself and _your_ "assertions". Angels are not flesh and blood, period. They are spirit beings and that's clearly stated in the Bible. We also are spirit beings, but we live in flesh and blood machines, which is different than the angels. They can appear as one of us, but they also can appear as many things, even a being of light. They can appear as fire, smoke, even just a hand in the air writing on a wall. They can also physically interact with us yet be completely invisible while doing it. The angels have been involved with us and in our affairs right from the beginning, and still very much are. Nephilim were born through the women of Cain's line because of who he was. Just like the serpent's physical form being changed, so was Cain's physical form changed. Both were changed because of the severity of what they had done. He and his line were the perfect vessels for influence by the rebellious angels. Serpent worship, satan worship, demon worship, etc. with all of it's violence, blood and death have come down through Cain's descendant line; even infecting and contaminating the other descendant blood lines. It's still with us today. I haven't published it, but I have spent many years researching all of this and much more, including over half a century of personal experience with God and things spiritual. Not that that's an authority necessarily, but I'm not simply making "mere assertions". Be careful whom you involve yourself with. Angels are terribly powerful, and the disobedient ones have become criminally insane. They are dangerous beyond description. Don't get sidetracked in all of this; focus on Jesus and do what he commanded "As I have loved you, so you must love one another." Follow and obey Jesus; he will lead you up the straight and narrow path, for that is the only way to the Father.

[@markd3250]

@@user-oq9hn7qk4j I’m not going to go into exhaustive detail on all of this because I don't see the value. You have some very strange ideas, you who like to accuse and call things “assertions”. (By the way, you do know that the word “satan” means accuser don’t you? And the accuser is an angel?) Do you know whom your influences are? I’m not really concerned with whether or not you’re “in error” because the subject and topic isn’t one that’s fruitful to pursue. However, here’s a few for you though: Matthew 28:2-4 “There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.” (flesh and blood doesn’t appear as lightning) Hebrews 1:7 “In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.” Hebrews 1:14 “Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?” (While they CAN appear as men, that’s just an appearance. They are spirit and have incredibly more power than we who actually are flesh and blood.) Isaiah 14:12 “How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” (He’s not talking about a flesh and blood being.) John 6:63 (Jesus speaking) “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you - they are spirit and life.” Revelation 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” (Jesus who is the only begotten son, has now taken the position that the first created son held, and now Jesus is the Morning Star) Genesis 3:14 “So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals. You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.” (The serpent was NOT Morning Star or an angel. The serpent was an animal; a flesh and blood animal who, after the curse had to crawl on its belly as a form of movement. That indicates something it did not have to do before it was cursed. Sounds like a change of appearance and form to me.) And a last quote as a caution: Colossians 2:18 “Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.” Turn your focus to Jesus and follow him, rather than putting so much time into angels. The obedient ones would be the first to tell you this. It doesn’t matter that you wrote a book or think you have it figured out. That’s not going to save you or impress God. The LAST thing you want to hear is for Jesus to say “I never knew you” even after you boasted about writing a book about angels. They’re not going to lead you into having a spiritual mind; only the Holy Spirit of God can do that, and he isn’t going to lead you into focusing on angels. Turn to the Lord, and maybe work on writing a book about walking the straight and narrow path with Jesus instead. I’ll let you have the last word here because I know you’re simply going to have to. Be careful though; what you think you know and what you’re saying is not the straight and narrow path, and if you’re not on that path, all other ways lead to destruction.

[@rosee8528]

Remember that we are not 5th dimensional beings (& above) so we cannot fathom what went on back then. It’s too much for our minds to figure out because we think our world is the real world, we might be in a dream state idk, I always try to figure this whole thing out everyday and I just can’t come up with a practical idea of how they went from spirit to mate with women. I’m thinking everything up there was created but in a AI form and it had wants and needs (desires) so they changed themselves but they did have a DNA of some kind somehow. WHO REALLY KNOWS!!!

[@user-qd7jn6mh9w]

You think there leader who sneakily talked them into a mutual consecration and committed them to this path, just my thoughts swirling, they still have to obey certain heavenly things within the principalities, can't just act willy nilly!? We are the IMAGE as Seth told Satan so strongly and godly where is thy glory that I should worship you? He sent Satan away screaming

[@valjustice4020]

If that’s the case of the fallen angels being separated from the life giving force, why aren’t they dead already?

[@GramGramGenX-ln5sc]

Angels are angels.

[@ellietobe]

When a human being dies you do not see that spiritual part of the person leave. We are spirit beings that are tied into these fleshly bodies by our Creator. When we die we go to be judged. How are we transported to the heavenly places to be judged? Why can’t others see the spirit that has been living inside the body? Yes, we are all spirit beings. The main difference is that we are tied into this body for a time. Jesus said that those who believe in him would go to everlasting life while those who do not believe would be condemned to eternal torment. That really should motivate people to at least look into who Jesus really is. I know of a prophet of God (a real one) that saw the Lord in about five different visions throughout his life. In one of them he was told by the Lord that as the end of the age approaches more and more people would see entities from the other realm and that many more living people would visit the other side and come back. You have to wonder how is it that so many people are seeing and experiencing cryptids and supposed “aliens” doing things that are literally impossible like going through walls and flying beyond what is physically possible. Cryptid creatures that disappear before people’s eyes! How are these things able to do these things? Of course for many hundreds of years people have seen “ghosts” that appear as physical as you and are (at the moment) and then just walk through a wall and disappear. Jesus did it. Should evil spirits be able to do such things? How can they manifest like that? They are the bad guys! Why hasn’t God told us about such things? So many people are being deceived by these shape shifting entities. I don’t understand why the church of Jesus, our Christ, does not warn people about such deception! I was tormented by an evil spirit from the time I was a young child. It was horrible and, of course, my parents did not believe me. I had no one to turn to. This is not the church that the New Covenant scriptures describe! I know that there are scientists today who study the possibility of other dimensions. It may be possible that we just operate at a different frequency than those who come from beyond the veil. When scientists were able to observe things through electron microscopes they discovered that all matter has movement. The molecules inside the hardest rock move! Our bodies have the same kind of movement inside. Is the spirit part of us made up of molecules that move so fast that we cannot see or feel them with our physical eyes? There are many things that the human eye cannot perceives that are actually visible to animals and through microscopic examination. There definitely is a lot that surrounds us that our eyes do not see. Pray for protection. Keep your home holy…..separate from the things of the world.

[@dabass438]

In the Old Testament it is having sex that marries a man and woman (the Wedding Banquet, then the Bridal Chamber; that's why there was no concern about pre-marital sex: there was no such thing--only adultery). Christ our God tells us that the angels do not marry, which means they do not have sex.

[@Croiseeman]

Serpent seed.

[@martindabritz8203]

what about the 3"men" that came to visit Abraham and the 2 visiting Lot. They looked like men

[@user-qd7jn6mh9w]

The watchers who left their estate must have thought the children born to them would be as the children of mankind, son looks like father etc, but it was an unholy union God made no place for them and they were inherently evil and possessed rampant DNA that produces monsters

[@heresthething41]

Spiritual is a horribly misused word. It simply means that you speak. You use words. The Holy Spirit is the one who speaks to us and through us. When the word says to test the spirits. It means we are to test the spoken word against what is written.

[@serpentlady4551]

Yes, they can and they do still. I speak from experience. We all have an astral double which is a 4th dimensional (astral) copy of the physical body and so do they. They are on the astral and they are quite capable of using our astral body as a kind of 'bridge' and engaging physically if they choose. This is not how they did it before the Flood when everything was less 'dense' here and they could then manipulate matter and take mortal form. If one understands physics this is not impossible and the CIA certainly know about it because they do not just stick to what they find in the Bible as reference. They do want to restore that state of things down here. They were and are extra dimensional. True about the dead Nephilim but these were part mortal so they are earthbound yet not in physical form.

[@brorow6821]

People are totally unaware of who or should I say what is walking around them everyday fallen angels look exactly like human beings and there are millions of them walking around on this earth everyday and yes they can have sex and they do have sex they are all around us your nextdoor neighbors could be fallen angels and you wouldn't know it unless God reveals it to you like he does to me that's how I know they are all around us because I see them on a regular basis it's kind of hard knowing this because it makes you feel alone because if you tell someone that the person that you see walking by is a fallen angel they tend to think that you need to get your head examined .

[@holykissme]

How exactly do you know some are fallen angels?

[@Carladc1956]

Would love to walk down the street with you and get pointers!😊

[@brorow6821]

@@holykissme Because God revealed them to me and now that they know that I am aware of them being fallen angels they Gangstalk me .

[@savedwretch8711]

I believe you and remind me of the movie called "They live"

[@Carladc1956]

@@savedwretch8711 I believe Roddy Piper shortly before he died said They Live was a documentary. I don’t know if that is true, but there’s no telling what is being hidden from us.

[@Vesper.-zh6sj]

Angels ..good and bad ..are actually ETs ..

[@user-qd7jn6mh9w]

The angels coming to earth or watchers would have to be in the guise of mankind for intercourse to happen.

[@user-qd7jn6mh9w]

@@user-oq9hn7qk4j thanks for the reply, appreciate your response and way of seeing it but I imagine light beings "uncreated fire seraphim beings" creations of God great to envision but surely would have to align themselves with the elements of earth and the physicality of people to breed with them, although I am aware of the genetic tampering also! Who really knows eh!? All the best John 🦋

[@user-qd7jn6mh9w]

​@@user-oq9hn7qk4jI'll still try the book open to knowledge and discovering it

[@user-qd7jn6mh9w]

@@user-oq9hn7qk4j God's word is there to be sought out also, understand what you are saying keep it biblically sound always. I must admit I luv to envision a sea of glass for example and ceiling like the path of the stars, wish you all the best John scotland

[@michaelcarson8534]

Daaahhhhh

[@ronaldperry]

Who cares? You better have your heart right with Jesus.

[@sabrinanascimento5248]

They did.They fell. They broke the Law.

[@anthonylabeau6159]

Well they did create giants

[@michaelrainey9668]

Of course they can. Scripture deals with the physical and the spirit. A lower order of existence and a higher order, respectively. A spirit can achieve a lower order form like a physical body. As an example, we as humans can see up 3 dimensions, right? So, because we can see 3 dimensions we can see the 2nd and 1st dimensions, because they are a lower order. However, we cannot see the 4 or 5th dimensions, because they are a higher order, if you will. So in a similar way angels can achieve a lower order of form. We think it incredible, but 1st and 2nd dimensions entities would think it incredible that we live and operate in 3 dimensions, and their perceptions of us would be completely different than ours. Theirs would be incomplete, while ours would be complete, in this thought experiment. What we have to be careful to NOT do is interject our own opinions. Either you believe scripture or you don’t. If someone can’t understand how the bible can say the angels have the powers that they do, then that person needs to pray and fast and await a response. But I urge caution against limiting The Most HIgh based on one’s own human limit of understanding. Careful in Comment sections as debating these issues without great caution may incur sin. If I were Satan I would LOVE comment sections.

[@phoenixashes-fh6lm]

And there's so many other contradictions in your view. I could poke holes all over in your self righteous dark fairy tale theories.

[@user-MetalAngel]

The only thing of importance as to whether angels had actual sex with women or can have sex at all, is the discrepancy of whether or not they used genetic manipulation to create the Nephilim. We do know that they can manifest in the flesh. I lean more to the latter. Their firstmost desire was to stop the birth of the Messiah. And second was to usurp God's authority and will over His creation.

[@davidway4259]

Question ??? Can Mankind be saved. Who saved there lost souls from hell. You have the answer right.

[@lawrencewilliams1477]

NO SEX THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED THE WATCHES

[@angelegend]

Wait “watches” can’t have sex?! Don’t tell that to my grandfather clock.

[@raymondblanchard2213]

Hold on, we are not younger siblings of angels Because we are not angels but are siblings with Jesus, otherwise it would not be written that He is the first born of many “brethren”. 🥸

[@raymondblanchard2213]

The way the book of Enoch seems to explain that the fallen angels left their physical habitation of their physical bodies to gain bodies that can procreate. THIS would mean that there is no contradiction of “people are like the angels in heaven that do not have the type of body that procreates. 👌