Can Caitlin Clark and the Fever win the WNBA title??? | The Elle Duncan Show

[@karon4979]

ESPN ranking A Reece #1 over C Clark has lost all credibility, period.

[@doodoo871]

They lost it a while ago. The network is much more concerned with narrative than reality.

[@WMTVUSA]

Unselfish floor generals always get turnovers. A Pointguard who doesn't get turnovers probably doesn't pass much or already has great players that catch those passes. It looks like the Fever are starting to figure things out and finally catching Caitlin's passes. She is still building chemistry with teammates. She will be better as she progresses.

[@RobbieStacks90]

Exactly. You need to take chances to make plays. Caitlin Clark is making magic in Indiana. Before she got there, they were the worst team in the league. She's elevated all of her teammates and saved her coach's job.

[@frederickmoore2458]

@@RobbieStacks90Phoenix was the worst team last year

[@lrmydvrs]

I'd be really curious how many turnovers involved Dantas as of late. Not because she's bad, but because she's played less with Clark. Caitlin leads people, she passes to where they're supposed to be. Dantas just doesn't get it yet. She will.

[@Smido83]

Yes and no... I think we all agree that CP3 is one of the best pure PG in the history of the NBA. He averages 9.4 APG but only 2.4 TO for his career. Or look at Haliburton since he joined the Pacers. 10.5 APG but only 2.5 TO. Would you call them selfish, cause they have low TO numbers? It all comes down to playstyle. Those 2 play a different style then CC, or Luka, or Young, or even Westbrook/Harden. Its less ball dominant, less risky, less drives, more classical passes to a player 1 pass away, or to a big near the rim. You dont see CP3 throw passes from the right wing to the left corner over the heads of 4 opponents for an open corner 3. Luka does that several times in basically every game. Not to mention that people like CP3/Haliburton, even Nash (11 APG - 3.5 TO in his Phoenix prime) never were as agressive trying to score. Cause a lot of their turnover come while trying to score, not from passes being stolen. So yeah, modern day scoring PG's who are also top playmakers have higher TO numbers then classical floor generals. But that doesnt mean that CP3, Haliburton, Nash and so on are not unselfish... they just have a saver playstyle because they dont drive or play 1on1 as much as the "newer style" PG versions and also throw less risky passes.

[@OfficerPolynice]

John Stockton had an almost 5 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. Most of CC’s turnovers are lazy or just plain stupid.

[@ColleenYourAccess2me]

Simone Biles said it on purpose and LOUDLY... this is my first WNBA game. She came to meet Caitlin Clark since Caitlin was not at the Olympics. This was huge and such an honor for her to say she is one of those fans that Caitlin got interested in watching the WNBA for the first time. Kind of hilarious that since DiJonai Carrington said that all the Caitlin Clark fans are nasty that DiJonai Carrington is then saying Simone Biles is nasty...

[@colleenposadas8415]

Cool did not know this.

[@TheBailoutQueen]

And Gabby Williams ​@@colleenposadas8415

[@nshanny73]

Dijonai Carrington definitely believes she should be the main character.

[@holahovito13]

Not to side with her but she said Indiana has the nastiest fans not CC FANS

[@jaylucas8352]

Dijonais so mad Simone was cheering for Caitlin

[@jigglypuff6761]

AR went to Paris to see the stars, meanwhile the stars came to see CC lol.

[@BarraJakuta]

Another celebrity in attendance at the Fever Sun game was David Letterman. They mentioned on the broadcast that Letterman's Mom was the first season ticket holder ever for the Fever!

[@arizonaFIREent]

The same David Letterman that makes sexual jokes towards 14yr olds???

[@kennethsmith6367]

@@arizonaFIREentYou mean a comedian is making inappropriate comments/jokes. Were is this world going?

[@alfaromeoboosted]

Hi Elle, no one ever said: Dennis Rodman's Rebounding is giving Michael Jordan a run for his Money!! Because this comparison would be RIDICULOUS!

[@I.am_Groot]

You would not know what us real basketball fans said back in the day... But hey you discovered the W a week ago and got it all figured out!

[@madflower8723]

Let's see CC is in the Top5 for MVP according to lobo who hates CC. And people are still talking about Reese? Not much credibility at ESPN. Lobo doesn't have much credibility either. CC is #2 according to Vegas oddsmakers I put more weight on them, they actually put their own money where their mouth is. The whole RotY was a distraction to keep CC out of the talk for MVP. CC hasn't just improved HER team, she has improved the whole league similar to Jordan. Everyone is having to try to step up their game to defend her which is also the Jordan effect. Rodman's had a come to jesus meeting with Laimbeer and Isiah, and was told he had to play contribute more then just rebounds, so they made him become a defensive stopper. Which was their weapon against Jordan (he was tasked with holding Jordan to under 20 pts.) he had to learn to play defense, it was simply faster to learn, then a skill like shooting, passing, dribbling, etc.. I should also mention Swoopes is the reason why I stopped watching the WNBA, she was so hyped like she was incredible, and she sucked.. After all the hype I was expecting a player like CC.

[@MikeC-hk5ec]

Sorry but Elle Duncan and ESPN has lost all credibility. And stats can all be looked at in different ways to make a narrative look certain ways. Look at the idiot Neil Paine and his stats analysis to say CC is 2 and Rickea is 6? That says it all. But I will trust what Sue Bird said with the eye test. And I will look at the record of the teams and the impact of CC and AR on their teams to tell me who is better. And there is no contest in that regard.

[@Barto-p4k]

Does Reese play with two other all-stars? Practically the entire Fever team is shooting well and better than Clark. Lexi Hull and Mitchell are hitting threes not being dished to for easier layups. Clark has the better team the Sky are rebuilding with a totally different roster than last year. The Fever started their rebuild 2 years ago. What’s good is the Sky have another 2 first round picks next year and another 2 the following year. So, long term, they are in a very good place.

[@clarkkent1521]

@@Barto-p4k You do know that All-star is half skill half popularity contest, right? Nine Fever players made the top 35 in All star voting, because of the popularity of Clark. You can't tell me that you think that those nine Fever players are top 35 players. Lexi was a career 20% three point shooter, and now is 45% this season and can't seem to miss any lately. Mitchell has played with the Fever for seven years, but now has had 5 straight games of 20+ points. Coincidence? Put Clark on the Sky and Carter probably scores 32+ a game. Mabrey probably gets 5 threes a game. With Cardoso's screens, Clark probably get 5 threes herself.

[@NoName-zm1ks]

Isn’t Reese an all star? Reese plays with Chennedy and Cardoso, but Cardoso held in check so Reese can grab them rebounds. Mabrey wanted out and now she’s thriving with the Sun.

[@closequarters4575]

The winning points in the Fever / Sun game last night was from a Caitlin dribble drive layup.

[@natej84]

I don't understand how the rookie of the year race is close? One leads the league in Rebounds, the other one leads it in assists. So throw those out and compare the rest. Clark has better numbers in the rest of the stats. Steal, blocks and most importantly points. Ive watched basketball for 35 years and points and assist have always been more important than rebounds. Dennis Rodman, the best rebounder ever was never considered a MVP, but MJ was.

[@Sticks2mini2rs]

You used to be a reliable sports channel. 😢

[@SpicySiopao]

It's now the "L" Duncan Show.

[@OvSpP]

Your mom used to be my last choice when I was horny, but she used too many teeth 😈

[@OvSpP]

Your mom used to be my last choice when I was horny, but she used too many teeth.

[@4107moneyway]

Yea after she apologized to ss its been downhill

[@tonyedwards3938]

When?

[@tonyedwards3938]

Does Elle Duncan and ESPN have any credibility left?

[@danconnolly6969]

No.

[@saturnteatree]

They get on those mics and just rage bait all day. As least Stephan A is likable. i get annoyed just lookin at Gary who has no depth in anything he says 😂😂😂

[@gualbertogarcia305]

NO !

[@flipster9025]

Not in my book!

[@GreaterSociety]

No

[@UpperCutZX10]

The issues in our culture are spilling over into sports, video gaming, industry, ... Pretty much everywhere. These are slightly safer places to discuss them.

[@PeterChee]

Would be hilarious and awesome if the Indiana Fever win the WNBA title and Caitlin Clark wins finals MVP... it would be like take that all you haters haha

[@MikeC-hk5ec]

@@PeterChee I saved this for when that happens so I can come back and tell them how wrong they were!

[@PeterChee]

@@MikeC-hk5ec IDK but Vegas odds have shortened... Indiana "odds have shortened to +6000 from +8000 since the beginning of July.... " maybe in a month from now they will be down to +4000

[@arizonaFIREent]

Hahaha the fever have 0 chance to win anything... cc fans are so delusional

[@MikeC-hk5ec]

@@arizonaFIREent fact that you say 0 chance tells me you are the delusional one. You may not think they will win the championship. But they have a chance. The debate is how much of a chance. They have shown they can beat the top teams in the league. So get off your stupidity and hate.

[@Barto-p4k]

Yeah and the Mystic could go undefeated the rest of the year and win it all. See I can do it too. Now back to reality…

[@wishbone1490]

The season isn't over yet and they are projecting that CC will be 2nd team all WNBA. The fix is in...they want a CO-ROTY for Reese and Caitlin. People will boycott the game if that happens

[@cawe2107]

Lol. I don’t see the need or likelihood for a co-ROTY but I would not mind the stans boycotting over any one of their grievances of the week. You brought your culture war to this league and you can take it with you on your way out!

[@masonrieber8674]

2nd team? She is hands down the best PG in the league this year and it really isn't even close that's also why she has the 3rd best MVP odds

[@boxingandbulldogs6341]

Is Elle Duncan SERIOUSLY pushing the Rookie of the Year discussion?? Je sus!! Can ESPN fall any lower??

[@2smoulder]

Sure ESPN can sink lower, but Elle did not avoid the subject and say that Caitlin was her pick for ROY. CC should win this award if its a level playing field.

[@kaylamendenhall2393]

Angel and Caitlin are playing each other tonight. Why wouldn't they talk about it?

[@boxingandbulldogs6341]

@@kaylamendenhall2393 Because there's no discussion to be had! Clark is so much better than Reese that Reese is not even in the same universe.

[@kaylamendenhall2393]

@boxingandbulldogs6341 yeah I get it, but this is their job. It's just how it works. I don't always agree with what they say but they know what's going to get views.

[@boxingandbulldogs6341]

@@kaylamendenhall2393 I disagree. If they're just looking for clicks, then why did they try to effectively shut down the MVP race barely 1/4 into the season. Wouldn't they get more clicks if that was debatable as well, like it is in every other sport throughout the entire season?? ESPN is pushing agendas (social agendas) and anyone who doesn't see that is blind.

[@alfaromeoboosted]

Angel Reese is shooting 43.8% on shots within 5 feet of the basket. That's by far the worst percentage in the WNBA

[@I.am_Groot]

Blah blah blah... Let me correct your nonsense. Caitlin Clark is doing great things in the WNBA!! See... thats how real fans do it

[@johnnlouis2386]

newflash the ROTY race is over Elle

[@jmoney4220]

It was over week 1 lmao Angel is terrible

[@higherho1540]

Those double double’s would not be 15 consecutive because of those 53 missed shots rebounds. She would only have 9. So again, Rebecca, look at all the data

[@Barto-p4k]

Do you need a towel. Those assists all wouldn’t be if they were graded properly. The pass is supposed to lead DIRECTLY to a score. That’s the rule. So when Clark passes to Mitchell and she dribbles and creates space so she can shoot, that’s not an assist. When Clark passes to Mitchell who then DIRECTLY shoots, that’s an assist. I’ve see them give Clark an assist when she passes to a teammate along the sideline, who fakes then dribbles into the paint-a total different area from where the pass was received-and scores and they give her an assist when they shouldn’t. The W needs to clean this up. The rule is the same whether Olympic, professional, college or high school.

[@FrankPirrello]

@@Barto-p4k I think you're wrong. I've seen many, many times when I thought Caitlin was going to get an assist, but instead of shooting after receiving her pass, the teammate dribbles around then shoots, and there is no assist. I can't tell you how frustrated I get when they don't take the obvious shot. But not as frustrated as when they have an easy layup and miss it.

[@MoneyF4]

Can’t wait for the playoffs man. The Fever going to go crazy

[@stubbywankenobi1]

CC only has to average 21 points per game these last 9 games and she will have the record for most points in a rookie season. She currently averages 18

[@nshanny73]

Don't see it happening. Since teams have been full court pressing and double teaming her, Since Game 1, she has realized the path to success is to find her open teammates. Totally unselfish and such a great team leader.

[@dwayneaustin-fe5by]

​@nshanny73 NO, if she wasn't so passive she could still avg 25 in the flow of offense...

[@nshanny73]

@@dwayneaustin-fe5byThat would be great. Just too hard with the constant blitzing and double teams. Plus her 3 is not dropping as regularly as it was at Iowa.

[@stubbywankenobi1]

@@nshanny73 if she averages 18 like she is in 6 of them she only needs 25 in the other three. I think it’s possible I could see her getting close to thirty in at least one game then it becomes even easier

[@stubbywankenobi1]

@@nshanny73 31 tonight now only needs to average 19 for last 8 games to get points record

[@Fenrir-Afri]

As usual, Elle Duncan's take are always so dumb. Easy schedule til the end of season? From olympic break til the end of the season, their opponents are: Aces, Lynx, Storm, Suns, Mercury, Sky & Dream (these teams are top 8 contenders), how is that an easy schedule? And they are winning most of the games so far. Also, the turnovers are not costing them since they are still winning despite it. I swear she will just say and find anything just to lowkey discredit the Fever and Clark.

[@nshanny73]

It's the narrative driven by POC.

[@vickirow4215]

If angel was making more shots under the basket then i would consider what u r saying. But this year Caitlin is definately roty.

[@jenniferwaddy6934]

Great take for Rebecca Lobo!

[@valeriecaraotta7788]

Thank you for your honest assessment of Caitlin Clark being ROTY. Caitlin has had to take a back seat to players that were less deserving in the Olympics and I really hope sport politics do not ruin Caitlin for this upcoming nomination. It would wreck ESPN’s credibility and really crush a young talented athlete’s spirit. Clark runs the floor with precision and has helped Mitchell shine and others with her needle-like passes. I do not discredit Reese as she is a great rookie as well, but not as impactful as a whole compared to Clark. Clark has excelled in points, assists, and in some games have been a force for rebounds. The fans can see the realities and nobody will be fooled if Reese unfairly gets this vote. What I hate for both players is the extra pressure they have to endure and how media is always down their throat, dying for juicy news just to enhance their viewership.

[@ColleenYourAccess2me]

Chennedy Carter was put down as missing last game because of Covid. There is not a long enough time to be over Covid by Friday to play Indiana. Will the WNBA really allow Chennedy Carter to play Friday?

[@colleenposadas8415]

Better not spread illness

[@angelinawarwick8796]

If she is sympton free for 24 hours, she is good. Many people have covid and never even know it. I hope she is good and allowed to play. No excuses. I hope fever gets their best game and destroy them. And I think they will. Their growth is insane!

[@Kakki82]

She also has JEEP 19

[@randyking9489]

​@@angelinawarwick8796By rule, if she tests positive 12 hrs before the game she can't play, even if she is feeling well

[@CandyChannel1966]

They want to give the Fever Covid

[@kalvli]

Forget Turnovers.. just make some layups and they would be avg 100pts

[@theothernatfife5004]

What a load of blather. CC is obviously ROTY. Of the other rookies I’ve watched play teams other than the Fever, Cardosa and Jackson are distant seconds to Clark; though there might be other rookies having decent seasons of whom I am not aware. The Fever are more than capable of winning the championship. Aja Wilson should not be the undisputed MVP, Collier should be getting a lot of first place votes. CC should be getting at least some 3rd place votes and should be on everyone’s ballot. Angel Reece is a great rebounder. She isn’t a great basketball player. About the only thing said that wasn’t nonsense was that the Lynx are the current favorite to win the championship.

[@asquare9316]

Here in the real world, there is zero rivalry between CC and AR. CC leads in all statistical categories except for 1 (rebounds) and her team is in the playoffs for the first time since 2016, moving up in the standings, and has already won more games than they did last year. Meanwhile, AR's team is moving down the standings and are out of the playoffs. These people are delusional talking about this supposed rivalry.

[@kairandbellinger1973]

NO NO the WNBA should squash the HATE - Why - Because when I watch non Fever games they look like the normal WNBA games which are boring. People didn't watch the WNBA before CC - so why should we want to watch the non Fever games now? Being a good sports fan Ive tried watching a few REESE games but there's no interest in watching rebounds. Im sorry Reese is uncoordinated and floppy just FLINGS the ball vs shooting. The W trying to create interest tells me they still don't want to take advantage.

[@StopHating-n8c]

WNBA finally have hardcore NBA fans back at their doorstep and it's shocking just how un knowledgeable about basketball their analysts are. Fever can make the Finals. The only three teams who can beat them in a series right now is The Liberty , Aces, or Lynx. It's like they looking at records and not the actual games. The Suns beat them while they were still trying to gel. Out of 3 games right now, Connecticut cannot beat them in a series. Kelley and Caitlin is too much for everybody, the X-Factor is Boston. If Boston scores 15 points and Kelsey and Caitlin just do their walking 18 ppg and 9 assists they CAN win a championship. I don't know why in the NBA we can say a 6th seed can win the chip before then playoffs but in the WNBA they all scared to give props for what they see. Every game Fever plays is a playoff atmosphere. Other teams come playoff time are going to find it real hard to beat then if Fever makes it out of the first round. 5 game series. They are going to win a chip within the next 3 years with minor tweaks to the roster.

[@CecileBonvouloir]

I gotta sign off the Duncan podcast until ROTY is announced. It is exhausting to hear this silliness about Reese winning it. Good grief.

[@Brett33]

Well, as long as they are in the playoff's , they have a chance . I don't think anyone would have given them much of a chance at the beginning of the season because wanted to promote a narrative that said Clark was a failure because she took time to get up to speed at running a new offense for a new team without having a normal off season to prepare . Then they had the toughest schedule to start the season . But after the Olympic break , the Fever have their players healthy and playing well together . I see a lot of people saying Clark shouldn't be Rookie of the year because she has a better supporting cast of players around her then Ange Reese , but I don't see people worrying about the 5 other Olympians surrounding A'ja with regards to talk about the MVP race .

[@tonytackett2885]

You can be the first to the desired rebound position Everytime if that was your goal. The more your team misses the better for your stats . And the sky's record before and after Reese tells the story. So does the fever before and after Caitlin Clark.

[@NoName-zm1ks]

AB has to be consistent, if she’s not the Fever don’t win it.

[@SunnyBrae-lu1cd]

Who are the numpties on the ESPN "Panel" that have Caitlin Clark at #2 in the Rookie Of The Year tracker? LOL! They need to be auto-disqualified from ever having a say on anything related to basketball again. Caitlin is the unanimous Rookie of The Year, end of story. Caitlin should also be on the WNBA 1st Team (instead of either Alyssa Thomas or Sabrina Ionescu) and in the conversation for MVP. That is the discussion we should be having, and not the ROTY "race". The only other players who offer the same value as Caitlin does to their respective teams are A'ja, Stewie and Napheesa.

[@kristatos2010]

Remember when Jordan dunked on Mutombo?...then gave the "no no" with the finger...got a technical for taunting...but got his dunk... DiJonai got her 3pt in response to CC's and shushed the crowd...but she also paid the price... It's just basketball...everybody gloats at one time or another...I think people just take it out of proportion and don't get that is just basketball...my two cents... Edit: Remember when Jordan came back from "retirement"?...he played half a year and the bulls made it to the post season, but not to the finals...Jordan wasn't ready and Chicago wasn't ready... But the following year, Chicago started another three-peat...I think this year the Fever are gonna be able to gain the experience of post season with a young team and be ready for years to come...

[@OneIdeaTooMany]

I love the Indiana Fever but they've got a ways to go before you can consider them for the WNBA title. Playoffs yes... But a title? Not yet... The better question is what do they need in order to be considered as a title contender?

[@jamesbrigham1299]

Another 3-pt shooting forward, who can play some defense. Pay max to Kelsey.

[@MarkJohnson-ou6xz]

Be careful. I agree, but the last time I said that I was told I was crazy! LOL!

[@masonrieber8674]

I mean I don't think they'll win it this year... but if you're talking about a team playing their best? Fever is the only team that has the offense to beat anyone in the league while having poorer defense. If the fever just get better in defense then they are easily contenders.

[@Kitishere12]

Probably not gonna win thr title but if im any other team im absolutely not wantin to see indi in any playoff round we dangerous.

[@peterjohnson9291]

Elle has no idea. She's in denial.

[@Advoc8te4Truth]

You mention 55 rebounds being from Angel Rees missed shots. But the inverse is how many turn overs are coming from clear errors off the Fever players. Its not an exaggeration to say at least half of Caitlin Clark's turnovers are dropped or missed passes that were absolutely gettable. And lets not talk about the missed lay ups this easily at least 50-100 assists Caitlin should have recorded. 😂❤

[@nshanny73]

Or the times Caitlin makes an amazing pass in the paint and all the defense can do is foul the shooter. No assist but points from free throws.

[@BobG-pi8bb]

I like the way Lobo breaks down a hot take. Winning the title is winning a best of 3, followed by a best of 5 and then another best of 5. Let’s say Fever keep winning they might finish 5 seed or certainly 6 seed. I think the Fever could take a best of 3 from the storm or sun.

[@nshanny73]

They never play best of 7's? What an effin joke.

[@chrischreative2245]

@@nshanny73No, just like in tennis. Men play 5 and women 3 sets but want same pay

[@Oneanddone14]

I wouldn't put that on the Fever. They are playoff bound for the first time since 2016 and have the best point guard on earth/ROTY/MVP top 5 player. Even one playoff win us gravy.

[@Chris-sx4qw]

CC & the fever have arrived there upsetting a lot of teams in the WNBA on the fresh hold of the playoffs there straight balling 🏀 right now.. there getting 2 🔥

[@cbastnagel]

I love this podcast. It is entertaining and thoughtful and a lot of fun.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

No. They're not ready yet. I think they'll win one playoff game. They need to be as good in the half court as they are in fast-paced basketball and they're not yet. They need another element, rebounding and defense. Clark still isn't as ball secure in the half court as she needs be but she's one incredible rookie and player.

[@nr14989]

Probably they can win a 1st round if they face Suns or Storm. Both is not a good half court team

[@Matthew-xl5bc]

Agreed, the Fever aren’t ready yet. Once the Fever improve their half court and defense, they will be contenders cause they have offensive to be great. Also I expect CC and AB to further jumps in their game.

[@markpaez601]

@@nr14989 I feel this too. but the problem with these two teams someone's dying after the series (just exaggerating). with the physicality and the added spice between players - someone's gonna get injured.

[@ChadandTiffC]

@@nr14989I think if they keep climbing the standings and get Vegas or PHX they could totally win a first and even second round. I’m at not impossible, it’s just very unlikely.

[@dipankarjoshi3828]

How can aja be unanimous mvp with 5 place in standings. Lol. Caitlin is our mvp

[@CtFletcher-eg5zj]

Yea dumb whites lol it ain’t close

[@bsmoove2357]

The fact that 14 people liked this is why I hate Clark fans

[@Phlibberty]

I agree with the first part, no way she should be unanimous but it should be Collier getting some first place votes. Still A’ja’s to lose and Clark deserves top 5 for sure. I don’t understand the Aja unanimous narrative since the year started but either way, still 1/4 of the season left so it should be interesting.

[@garfunkle5447]

The fever are just more explosive to watch than any other team. It's due to Catlin Clark. I've noticed other teammates strengths because CC's passing game.

[@EddyBrill]

You were all nuts take Angel Reese, and put her back in school . Compare their stats she’s not even close because she gets rebounds. Y’all need to get your head checked if she wins rookie of the year he might not have anybody watching your programs anymore cause I just quit watching yours.

[@colleenposadas8415]

Never ESPN. Starting boycott now. Analysts are full of crap

[@GreatlinClarkFan-c5h]

The Fever has beaten the #1 Liberty, the #2 Lynx, the #3 Sun, the #4 Storm and the #6 Mercury. The only team they haven't beaten this season that are above them are the #5 Las Vegas Aces who beat them twice this season. They'll be playing them 9/11 & 9/13. If they can beat them in either one of those two games, they can take it all.

[@AllThingsKen]

lmao the name and the message lol. Bro go to bed

[@randyking9489]

​@@AllThingsKen OK CC HAATTERR. Going to bed now

[@AllThingsKen]

@@randyking9489 goodnight

[@NellBelle]

Is this show suppose to be a joke? Miss Pretty Privilege herself talking about Caitlin Clark a person of real talent can't wait to hear what she has to say, NOT.

[@ericMT]

My favorite part is how they talk about “the game last night” meaning Fever-Sun when the Sky also played and lost in an embarrassing fashion. Reese is an amazing rebounder but doesn’t help her team win because she’s a selfish player. No one can argue that. In my opinion Cardoso is a better rookie than Reese is because she’s more valuable to the team. Stats are fun to look at but they don’t show the whole picture. Why are we even discussing this? It’s silly. I wish ESPN and everyone else would discuss all the good players not just the same tired Caitlin vs Angel nonsense. There are 142 other players you can talk about. No one is watching the games, they just read stat sheets and it’s really unprofessional.

[@aggerleejones200]

It's not just being efficient. To me, it is one of two things.... Is she selfish and padding her stats or does she need to work on her basketball IQ. Whenever she misses the first shot and gets her own rebound she never, ever looks to kick it out. She will take the ugliest, low probability, off balances, throw it towards the rim type of shot, while her teammates are wide open.When you feed it to her down low I can uunderstand her taking the shot, but once you missed, the defense starts to converge towards the ball and by the time she secures her own rebound there is often two or three people on her and the others moving in her direction and her teammates are wide and you can tell it doesn't even cross her mind. I have never understood the argument, so far Reese is like the Dennis Rodman o the W but Clark like the Jorden of the W. This whole debate would be akin to voting MJ or Rodman for player of the year. Reese is a beast down low but she is one demential... in reality it should not even be close

[@WayneLee-gu2yp]

Whenever anyone says "Jonquel Jones", I hear John Paul Jones.

[@samguapo4573]

Fever can absolutely win the WNBA championship.

[@lyrikalinyoswiminpoo]

Nah!! Their inexperience will show in the playoffs..

[@maryadams1331]

If you notice it's always women that doubt her and she proves them wrong every time

[@QuickCourtside]

Reese gets 100 rebounds per game but is she translating these rebounds into points? is she translating these rebounds into points or making an impact on winning?

[@UpperCutZX10]

Not watching this channel again

[@Kings_Landing_Serf]

1st time watching this show. That was a brilliant segment

[@lindagridley7632]

Gary you are the man. Can’t wait for Friday nights game.

[@lazzi2462]

I was just thinking about this last night, like should I just bet small money on them just in case? 🤔 Lol. They started the season off bad, but they've hit their stride & have been playing well. A lot of times, the team that wins the chip is whichever team that catches fire late in the season. Hard to say that they'll do it this year though, but I think next year they might be one of the top teams & can contend for a chip. CC will have the experience under her belt now, she'll get better, the team chemistry will get better as they're already starting to. One year of experience in the WNBA is A LOT because it's not a lot of teams. You gotta keep in mind, the WNBA currently only has 12 teams, so the odds of winning are a lot higher for good teams & the competition level is not as high as the NBA. It's like the NBA when Wilt & Russell were dominating back when there were only like 10 teams in the league. So I think next year they can start contending & possibly win. If not next year, then they might do it within the next 2-3 years. Like I said, it's only 12 teams, & 3 rounds in the Playoffs. Lol

[@adonismoe4429]

Lol😅 Can u see them biting to be relevant. There is no question who is THE ROTY, CC. Respect to Rebecca

[@yushao727]

Rebeca is amazing and so knowledgeable about the teams and games

[@RobotronOG]

Collier is the MVP, Wilson’s team record isn’t good enough.

[@bsmoove2357]

False

[@jmoney4220]

Lol it’s over Aja is winning unanimously

[@Megavars]

@@jmoney4220 nah if napheesa and the lynx win the championship, gotta give it to her.

[@willc9866]

Lobo says her data folks tell her that Reese would still lead the W in rebounds if we discount the rebounds off her own misses. Sounds compelling - but the math seems off. If 55 rebounds are off Reese’s own misses, and Chicago/Reese has played 30 games, that’s almost 2 rebounds/game. She’s ahead of Wilson by only 1.2 rebounds/game. Granted, being 2nd to Wilson is still fantastic. Though a 30ish% shooting percentage when many of her “shots” are from a couple feet away is kinda embarrassing.

[@Deato9000]

Within the next 3 seasons the Fever will most likely be in the WNBA finals, might not win it all but they'll definitely be there

[@ColleenYourAccess2me]

DiJonai Carrington is claiming a meme using George Floyd likeness is Caitlin fans, too... this is beyond horrible and a TRUE real Caitlin fan would NEVER do this... That meme had to have been made by a Caitlin Clark HATER not a Caitlin Clark true fan. It was made to make people hate Caitlin not support her and to stir up racial divide. It needs to be investigated NOW who made the meme where George Floyd and policeman were superimposed with Caitlin and DiJonai 's faces. #indianafever @indianafever #wnba

[@colleenposadas8415]

That is typical of that side. Can not win by facts so spread slurs and lies.

[@schlichter11]

Reese is a very good player who will become great, no doubt. However, while she leads the W in Rebounds, Clark leads in Assists. Then you go to Points. Clark scores 5 more per game. Then Blocks & Steals, Clark has a slight advantage in both. Ok and then wins, Clark’s Fever is +4. Head to head, +1 going Into tonight. Seems pretty clear cut.

[@radicalrick9587]

*If you put Christies Sides in a straitjacket and lock her up in a closet, then YES, the Fever are #1 favor to win it all without breaking a sweat. But when the corrupted, owned by the bookies, Christies Sides is making her rigged fixed choice then it's anybody guess what she been told on which way to throw the game.*

[@nyknodzalot]

They have to get pass the Aces & my Liberty… but they’re definitely 3rd favorite with Mitchell 6 (wo)man ❤

[@howarddickersonjr.6994]

Mitchell is not a 6th man. She’s a starter and an allstar too

[@nyknodzalot]

@@howarddickersonjr.6994 they had her off the bench last game with Lexie to stretch the floor & she exploded when subbed in. 𝗦𝗧𝗙𝗙𝗙𝗙𝗨

[@nyknodzalot]

@@howarddickersonjr.6994 Mitchell came off the bench last game for Lexi to start. 𝗦𝗧𝗙𝗙𝗙𝗙𝗨

[@UncReactionSpot]

Fever will win the title

[@iarmenta1]

I am so impressed by your professional. I had to join

[@UpperCutZX10]

Who cares about rebounding?

[@markymark6928]

Without question Indiana fever can absolutely win the WNBA championship!! Its all about the team staying together and committed to all their roles and playing defense and playing to win by supporting the great caitlin clark to lead and make them all better. Clark and Mitchell are the leaders of this team.

[@nshanny73]

So Elle, a supposed WNBA analyst, doesn't know that Washington is the Mystics??? And actually broadcasts it??? What is wrong with this world???

[@lindawade4ok639]

It's very clear that The Fever have come a long way in maturing their team play and appreciation for each other. They showed a lot of Steel in that game when they came back and instead of looking frustrated and discouraged, they gritted their teeth and said you know what we got this. I even saw them smiling and laughing but the sun players always look like they had a corn cob up there you know what, like they were mad

[@joketsu100]

They totally can. But I don't think they will. Nerves will get the best of them. Most likely. Anything can happen. The sparks just beat liberty. Dallas beat aces

[@AllThingsKen]

...

[@tonyedwards3938]

If they fail (and lets not get carried away the Fever was one of the worst teams in the league the last two seasons), it will not be from nerves. Clark is a stone-cold killer and the Fever don't have time for introspection. The Hype will build the expectations become more unrealistic. But sport is filled with fairy-tales that became reality. We will have to wait and see.

[@joketsu100]

@@tonyedwards3938 the rest of the team will choke. In my opinion

[@joketsu100]

@@tonyedwards3938 but yeah we will have to see will be exciting no matter what

[@radicalrick9587]

*Elle, based on the comments, I’m glad I didn’t waste my time watching this. Are you seriously pushing Reese as ROTY!? One of the worst shooters in the history of basketball, shooting 27% from inside 5 feet!? First, it was 'Oh, her team is ahead of Clark's team,' but when that fell apart, now it’s some other BS. I hope you get fired along with the new group of people who are about to be fired, since ESPN has ZERO credibility and everyone is turning elsewhere for honest sports reporting-something you’ve made clear you’re not providing.*

[@holahovito13]

Omg cry harder nobody cares

[@EddyBrill]

You were all nuts take Angel Reese, and put her back in school

[@synchemist6462]

The only reason she would be riding the pine in the Olympics would have been bad coaching.

[@StevenRay369]

💯 agree with Rebecca. Ive watched Minnesota play. Napheesa Collier is no joke. Elite high IQ player.

[@stevedunn2621]

Talk for a second about the intangibles for awards like ROY. At some point other factors come in to play. Is impact on the game as a whole or their impact on their team. Quite honestly if the stats are even debatable between Angel and Caitlyn. Caitlyn has single handedly changed the face of the WNBA. She has brought the Michael Jordan effect to the league. If sportswriters don't unanimously vote for Caitlyn they are ignorant in not realizing the possible damage that could come from it. The WNBA has already mismanaged the Caitlyn effect massively imo. It goes back to the MJ effect, the NBA was smart enough to realize what they had and milk it for everything it was worth. The WNBA has done everything they can to minimize the opportunities. Maddening!

[@GoatedAtNFS]

yeah in 2-3 years

[@nshanny73]

Agreed... ESPN just looking for a comments war all the time.

[@JL..]

@@nshanny73 the segment was called "overreacting" for a reason, actually worth watching and seeing what they actually say which has logic

[@StevenRay369]

Good point Ellene.. Aces starting 5 need a break(rest).

[@rodericksmith7232]

Love RL ! But FEvEr will be champs 🎉🎉🎉! CC will be MVP!! 😮😮😮

[@NoName-zm1ks]

What rivalry? It’s CC all the way!

[@StevenRay369]

Great unbias analysis. Much respect to everyone on this podcast.

[@ChadandTiffC]

This whole Angel is still in the ROTY running is so disingenuous. Angel has made her mark, no doubt. But the difference in skill level and impact to her team is just so completely vastly below CC it’s just straight up gaslighting. Jarring to listen to.

[@bradclifton5248]

If Aces miss top 4 and or it ends up being Fever who makes the final 4, I'd have to say MVP could get real tight.

[@Puyax01]

CC brought her fans to the WNBA . Pay her up and say thank you

[@slowgrampa]

Clark/Reese Which one makes their whole team better?

[@GKWALKER865]

If the Fever play tough team defense for 4 quarters, every game, they will go all the way.

[@UpperCutZX10]

Before CC, this gaslighting may have slid thru. Too many eyes now . Nice try

[@bdcddd]

Disney’s ESPN playing politics again. Maybe stick to sports, where you at least used to be half-credible.

[@wiggybends3632]

Indiana drawing fans like rock stars - "The FAB FEVER"

[@ReviewBoard-uy5nv]

I really wish these ESPN episodes would have a more professional presentation. It just looks like non-experts doing bedroom interviews. It just isn’t respectful to the WNBA. Get better lighting and a background. Fold up lights and backgrounds cost $100 on Amazon.

[@EetsBack]

Caitlin’s passes on occasion can be rockets. I’m sure they hurt the hands of the catcher. Any thing other than a firm catch will slip through. It to Iowa 2+ seasons to start getting it right.

[@thomashahn6289]

Simone is a Iowa native

[@NBAMinute]

Much respect Gary! I went right to bed after my root canal 😳

[@JayAli-u3x]

When you say take away her own rebounds from her misses, a few of her double doubles would disappear

[@Gwarosaur]

People keep say first time ever when it comes to Clarks records and yet ESPN says Reece is better. What a joke.