Can Casual Players still enjoy Classic WoW? How far can Casuals progress in Classic?

[@TipsOutBaby]

Enter the FIRST "Classic WoW Giveaway" here: twitter.com/TipsOutBaby/status/1124800769138384896 Good luck guys :D

[@Spinexus]

I was always a super tryhard! Wrath to Legion always (25HC or mythic)! Sadly tho university is over and i will be a filthy casual now! xD Glad to hear that i can do most of classic at my old age, sort of!^^

[@Thiickolas]

I am pretty disappointed that your giveaway requires twitter. It a pretty stupid platform but I understand for some people but still useless unless your famous and have a following. By requiring your viewers to have a point account with twitter cuts a portion of your viewers out, as I am sure there are others like me that refuse to make a twitter. I was actually looking forward to the chance to read through the book if I won but once I heard twitter I was like welp oh well. Just a thought.

[@thesillyquestions]

Tips are you going to do a video on the spyware app? And does the news kind of take the wind out of your sails for classic? I’m really bummed about it and want to know what the classic crew think about it.

[@onima1753]

@@Thiickolas how entitled can you be? If you want to have a chance for a FREE book, and you can't spend 20 seconds of your life to make a twitter account, instead of writing this comment, then you don't deserve anything.

[@Thiickolas]

Onima are you serious? If it was about the book I could just go buy it. I was saying from the standpoint I stated that I was actually interested in the offer even though that’s not why I watched the video or any other of these videos for that reason. But Immediately lost interest when I heard twitter and was just a form of feed back. Second I’m sure majority of these viewers don’t have a twitter. I’m sure the 12-15 ppl you have following you or what ever twitters word for it is, can go with out knowing that your like totally over Monday’s. Twitter is useless. I understand it’s purpose but everything can easily be accomplished without it.

[@Wayzor_]

Most, if not all of us 'old-dudes' merely want the sense of community back.

[@wintergaming1554]

The game is not what killed it... people changed and turned into shitty people! i mean look around you, look at how people treat everyone out in real life let alone a game. classic wont bring that back sadly you still are going to have a holes still gonna have mouthy turds wrecking everything!

[@jodalar13425]

@@wintergaming1554 That couldnt anymore wrong. LFG and crossrealms destroyed the game

[@wintergaming1554]

@@jodalar13425 How? it gave casuals a chance to see the raid content and made low pop realms have more people and be able to play with FRIENDS from all servers... come on man stop making excuses and actually look at the bigger picture... people are just shitty mouthy assholes now. But i guess you will see when classic comes out.

[@ChrisBrown-od3eb]

@@jodalar13425 lfg/lfr did not kill the game. Just going into any lfg lfr and listen to the silence people now adays want in and out as fast they can. Tanks not letting healer not drink for mana then bitch when the healer goes oom. Dps that rush thru because they want to get thier 5 heroica in asap. Classic will not bring this back it will in fact exclude people do to them.needing a piece but its on reserve so they dont get invited

[@perste91]

This is spot on - cross-realm and excessive phasing is what killed server community, which no matter what you were dabling with, be it RP, PVP or PvE - were the backbone and central pillar of the game. The whole aspect of doing your thing, knowing your neighbor - meeting people again and actually knowing people on your server, also outside your guild. Nowdays we have a "balanced" and "populated" world of randoms who shift in and out of reality, and whom you most likely never meet again if you dont add them to your personal friends lists or add them to your guild.

[@pallahammer8997]

I am 55 and getting a new gamingcomp just for this.I loved how it was before they turned it into a race for best gear game. Casual is the best way to enjoy this game

[@jz8653]

A gaming comp for vanilla?

[@pallahammer8997]

@@jz8653 well no not just for classic but it made the decision do I or do I not change from windows 98 to maybe a bit higher😉

[@Malryth]

@@pallahammer8997 I want to build a gaming PC as well. I never had the very best graphics card but then again...you didn't need one in WoW. ;)

[@leagueleaders]

Let me know what realm you pick.

[@alexferrara5975]

Hi Palla, another 50 something WOW classic gamer. Let me know what realm you pick. I will be looking for friends.

[@MikeMohawk]

I was 32 when WoW launched and there was nothing like a "casual player", you just played the game. Oh and you had the heroes of the realm that slayed dragons and wore purple gear. But they could fill up a quarter of the square before Orgrimmars AH. The rest of the square was packed with "normal" players looking at that giant beblooded pole with a draginshead atop. My wife played alongside with me and I think we spend 2 hours a day playing the game. Watching boring television or WoW... that's not a contest ;) It took me 10 months to get to 60 AND was able to buy an epic mount (purple forsaken warhorse) and boy was it worth the trip! Nowadays I aproach the age of 48 and will do it all over again because I can!

[@projectphoebes5786]

@@CashOutSports That''s the spirit bro!! Once Horde... Forever Horde!!!

[@gp9361]

lul, took me 10 days to 60 now, is it easier?

[@IamTheRealCmen]

How has it been going in WoW Classic?

[@tirke6599]

You got thumbs up from one 40 year old working dad.

[@Dudububu57]

just buy a geared account from a chinese farmer.

[@tomnguyen128]

30 here. Gotta do that full time job again like I did 15 yrs ago lmao

[@TheRobowski]

You were 25 years old when WoW launched. This game has impacted an entire generation for the first half of this century.

[@paulfoster3316]

i bought the game on day one.i'm 48 now and cannot wait to replay classic. BFA is awful.

[@jonathanmendoza215]

Thank you for all you do for this country

[@temetnosce2099]

Classic is a game where you get out of it what you put into it. 'Casuals' just want to play a game and have fun, and Classic offers that. Not everyone needs (or wants) to be decked out in epics. They don't need to hit Rank 14. They just need stuff to do, and content in Classic takes SO long that it's perfect for casuals.

[@davemaybee1618]

Casual play - what goes that mean in 2019? In 2004-2006, daily play of 2-3 hrs with a day or two off each week made it easy to be all epic. Honestly, if I play again, i can imagine a lot of ways to gear up enough to run even 20 men just playing casually. Learn your class, do 5 mans with a solid group, get a good reputation, and buttress your gear with activity in pvp and you’ll get there! I’m looking forward to playing more than one primary class - loved playing Druid and running stealth runs, but all the classes are compelling and this time around there is no BC to prevent you from finding chances to play what you want.

[@VS666]

fuckin casual

[@michaelmclaughlin261]

I will be blunt -- I just wanna be able to quest and explore pre-Cata Azeroth at my leisure. In my personal opinion, Cataclysm messed up Azeroth and Classic brings back some of the magic.

[@russelladams9147]

@@davemaybee1618 2-3 hours a day would mean for a working person, that you would play non stop every night until you go to bed. Get home, shower, dinner...game..go to bed. That's not casual. But for the unemployed I could see where it might seem to be.

[@Msfelixthecatz]

Very true. Not everyone wants to be rushed to level cap. Lots of us want to enjoy the moment, complete each zone, labor at each profession. Elitists won't understand this, but some players feel what dinging 60 means is rolling a new toon. :)

[@zinflexy]

I've had no illusions as to how my classic experience will be. I won't be some fierce warlord known though out the server, nor will I be in any of the top ranking guilds when it comes to PvE. I intend to bide my time, make sure my professions are up to date at all times, I will read all the quest text, not use any addons, and rely on my friends to get through dungeons. after 15 years, I can see my old friends on a regular basis. Now we're all dads, executives and business owners. What do we all have in common? our vacations is set for Classic's launch.

[@kingdavey90]

Right there with you, my friend!

[@turtlelove7]

They announced an exact launch date?!?!

[@turtlelove7]

So how did these fools "set their vacations for classics launch"? You guys take the whole summer off?

[@Frisbefan1]

None of my RL friends play wow. Only got one cousin who I have played with. Wish I knew more people who played.

[@youbetu18]

@@turtlelove7 he wishes he had any friends.

[@pique3124]

I never played WoW but I'm thinking of getting into it when Classic releases

[@gargaduk]

Not the worst of ideas

[@pique3124]

@@gargadukExcept when all my studies and social life will inevitably crumble. Looking forward to it.

[@Havre_Chithra]

Do iiitttt

[@KyleF1sher9]

I highly recommend giving it a try :)

[@dovydas9642]

Yeah same

[@OsoBlanco17]

I consider myself a casual and just really enjoy the leveling experience, especially on a PvP server!

[@Themadhorse]

And I enjoy ganking casuals like you! With my lvl 60 rogue. Have fun :)

[@veen9667]

Just what my thoughts were . If you are planning on rolling a pvp server better level fast , the less gankers.

[@Quitarstudent]

@@Themadhorse you cant be everywhere!

[@OsoBlanco17]

Abbe Mårtensson haha yeah but it’s just part of the game. I don’t mind getting ganked and if they try to camp you, that’s what alts are for.

[@Quitarstudent]

@@OsoBlanco17 i find gankers to be pathetic, but its true that it is part of the world nad makes it more alive, as you said, playing different char or just turning off game to play something else

[@GeorgGrabler]

I've been a classic raider, going up to Sapphiron in Naxx. Yes, that was time consuming, and I had the time back then. With new classic release, now having a 40+ hour job and wife, I'll probably be able to put in 10-15 hours a week. I'm very fine with getting late to raid tiers. Why? There will be casual guilds, of similar minded people, but still determined to progress in the time we have. We don't need to make it to AQ or Naxx "in time". We'll get there, eventually, enjoying the journey. I think I'll enjoy it way more that way, because I can take the time, and it isn't necessarily the "push for the realm first", or "staying on-par with the top guilds". I'll play it for my enjoyment, with the time I have. Oh, and I won't be tanking this time, I decided to get the opposite view: healer :-) .. that will be fun picking the "worst" healer in game (Druid) and trying to compete with others who have group heals and fast heals. Never mind a challenge, they'll take me anyway and if it's for the buffs :p.

[@connman8d617]

If you're able to spend 15 hours per week playing classic WoW then you'll reach level 60 in about 3 months. That's right around how much time it took me to get there on initial launch. Even back then being a noob keyboard turning clicker I managed to get to max level, gear up through dungeons, get into a top guild and get in on the server's first kills of Garr and Baron Geddon and the 2nd kills of Onyxia and Ragnaros. I guess what I'm saying is, with 15 hours a week to play you'll be right on the curve with most players. Only the most hardcore players will be significantly ahead of you in terms of progression.

[@MrSabnova3415]

I’m game for taking my time! I’m not a kid anymore so won’t have nearly as much time to raid like I did in 04/05. Especially studying for my security+ and Cisco certs. Hit me up in August lol

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

classic was a lifestyle, not a game.

[@joshuaroe1402]

No it was a game

[@flamechicken415]

@Bostan Liviu say what you must no one cares about your opinion you're no better than anyone in here

[@TheGrimpilsen]

Hell yeah, miss those days of no sleep

[@The80sWolf_]

@Bostan Liviu " That's pretty fucking sad,dude.. " Shut up normie

[@tmmt1990]

Bostan liviu was the level 15 in westfall

[@Embashe]

Wow, great video @Tips Out. In my own experience during Classic I was in High School and had a job. Despite those responsibilities I was able to make Rank 10 & Clear MC, Ony, BWL, ZG, & AQ 20 just like you stated here. AQ40 Was definitely to much for my group back then and I never tried Naxx. Crazy how accurately you called this stuff out.

[@AndyRock1]

too funny, my exact situation and experience back then!

[@Opranius]

We were the 3rd guild on Frostmourne (DE) that finished AQ 40 without this worm (don't know his name any more). And I can tell you it was a very big time investment for anyone. Naxxramas was much till Sapphiron and maybe 4 Hoursemen. Cthun was a coordinated pain in the ass but we were really proud when we made it. :o) But everything before was pretty doable for casuals, it was really helpful when ZG came out for casuals.

[@firebolt100]

I'd be incredibly surprised if this youtuber didn't have college-level experience in writing because this video was VERY well put together. Everything was established in this video, including differing contexts of the question at hand. "Will casuals still be able to play WoW?" And then proceeds to give concise answers to the question, and avoiding any boring filler speech. Well done, Mr.Tips. /clap

[@lennart2644]

Agreed, he didn't beat around the bush and stayed close to answering the question! It's also one I've been struggling with and this is really helpful in that regard.

[@Jonassvensson-uv9zd]

Except the video and the videos answer was really predictable. To the point where it didn't sound really honest.

[@dangusprime]

Or he's just a smart dude :p

[@fufu1405]

What some people don‘t understand is, Classic is less about endgame/playing the patch and more about the journey.

[@Underleaf76]

The answer is "Yes", I was a casual then, and I'm a casual now, and I enjoyed it then and I enjoy it now. The challenge and the journey to level 60 is always a treat, this game is a classic!

[@jf4156]

Now to link this to all my anti classic "nobody has time anymore" friends

[@ziroth12]

to me this is the equivalent of, "can u enjoy cocaine casually?" the answer is, of course, yes, but there's a decent chance ur gonna lose ur wife and kids rolling with dwarves

[@MultiLoska]

Casual players will be fine playing Classic, will be no different than when casuals played back in Vanilla.

[@Smackskull]

Loska 1 if anything it will be easier to be casual now because you have any information you need a KZbin or google search away

[@nemak89]

The thing is that casuals back in Vanilla were extremely angry about the game tho. From their point of view they paid same money as hardcore players, but could not play as much content as HC players. That is why Blizz changed the WoW over the time to be much more casual friendly. So no - casual players were not "fine" in Vanilla...

[@PaperFax94]

@@nemak89 That's a stupid argument and makes no sense. Project this logic onto anything else: "I only call and text on my overpriced iPhone. I shouldn't pay as much as someone who uses their iPhone more than me." or "I only play the campaign mode of Warcraft 3. I shouldn't pay as much as someone using the multiplayer functionality of the game."

[@nemak89]

@@PaperFax94 Stupid or not Blizz listened to that argument and made changed cause of that. Btw its hilarious that you made the W3 example, cause that is exactly what Blizz did (well the other way around single/multi player) with SC2 recently with making multiplayer Free to play and only single player campaigns are available to play after paying money xD.

[@Katares]

@@nemak89 Don't mistake casual player with entitled player, those can intersect but are not the same thing per se.

[@matthewpowell5543]

Been playing since Vanilla, barley played BFA for a month, as someone who’s now in their late 20’s with a full time job I’m waiting for Classic as it’s a better experience for us with not much time, looking forward to levelling slowly doing all the zones and 5 mans along the way, from there I’m pumped to make gold and hop in to ZG and MC when I get the chance, keep up the videos man, great work!

[@Halgrenos]

The Legend of Stalvan is one of the my most vivid memories from playing in Vanilla. Fantastically written,dark themed, self-contained storyline.

[@jcbillman]

In vanilla wow I leveled 1 to 60 as casual and it took me about 3 months. Within minutes of hitting 60 I ran my first raid, got three pieces of raid gear and started tanking MC by that weekend. I raided hardcore for 6 months spending 40+ hours each week playing. Most miserable six months of my life. I will gladly be casual again and level slowly and not rush to 60.

[@jcbillman]

@ I got lucky (I guess). I helped found an active, supportive leveling guild that flipped hardcore once we had enough 60s. Running instances with a guild speeds things up.

[@ccloudleaf]

@ yeah thats not a normal experience. usually you'd get BiS or 0 tier and tons of stuff to do @ 60 before raiding

[@Jonassvensson-uv9zd]

BOOSTED

[@Jonassvensson-uv9zd]

@ it's fast if you can find 39 other people who wants to spend time progressing your character.

[@jcbillman]

@@Jonassvensson-uv9zd this is very true and need a raid leader with experience

[@michaelmclaughlin261]

I know for a fact I will be "too busy" for Classic. Sundays are the only day I have a 100% guarantee of playing. I just want to enjoy a pre-Cata Azeroth again -- questing, working professions, joining pick up groups, etc. I'm gonna be there -- because IMHO this game went off the rails after Wrath of the Lich King.

[@Makakikishk]

I grew up with Lich King I was 9 when I first started I am so excited to see how Vinalla works and plays

[@wiz4e]

Since I played a couple of retail Vanila years, I expected to hear nothing new, yet most of mentioned info surprised me and reminded me that I indeed had a lot of fun as a casual player. Great to see how you share and spread your passion and love for WoW Classic, Tips!

[@samesports9483]

Tips Out, the way you synthesis information (to read here: 15++ years of gaming industry evolution) is impressive. Your ability to put things in perspective without losing grasp of the fundamentals is to be praised for. All in all, thank you for your time, you are a great content creator. Thank you

[@Swinke]

All I want is to do some leveling and dungeons and maybe just maybe my first raid one day. I am excited

[@bluntlyhonest6803]

5:36 Yep! Im a young man who just got a job that takes alot of my time (Outside of school) and having the ability to still Do the OG Raiding content is such a nice thing to hear!

[@thumbwarriordx]

"New raid tiers do not invalidate previous content" My absolute favorite thing about Vanilla and Burning Crusade, bar none. And one of the things I have routinely learned to hate every retail expansion I've played since Cataclysm and beyond.

[@DaMaverick1990]

Just wanna say that this video is really great. From the editing and commentator perspective. Thanks for all the great classic content you give us, helping us through the hard times of waiting till release. Keep it up man

[@TipsOutBaby]

thanks brother. Your comment made my day

[@DaMaverick1990]

@@TipsOutBaby You´re welcome :) Always watchin and sharin your videos. You are an amazing content creator

[@TipsOutBaby]

@@DaMaverick1990 Lok'tar!

[@Malengisupport]

WoW Classic is like Life. It's about the journey with up's and down's and not the end..

[@Crown-Coke]

Funny he mentioned Everquest - I started playing Project 1999 recently and man it brings me back to 99-02. Hope I can get that same feeling with Classic WoW from my initial gameplay in 2005

[@everynamealreadytake]

AS a casual myself i will probably see myself "completed" with t2 and rank10 blue pvp set.

[@fumanchu7]

I was one of the casuals in vanilla WoW and most of the content is indeed doable. I was in a split dedicated/casual guild, and was on the guild’s C raiding team (A was pushing high end content, B was the “Tryout” team, C was the casual raiders). When Burning Crusade hit I was in full T2 gear minus one piece. Molten Core raids were some of the best raiding experiences I’ve had in gaming. It’s quite doable on a limited time budget.

[@donskiver]

I'm planning on playing classic when it comes out and focusing on 5 or 10 man instances, battlegrounds, and trying to reconnect with some old friends.

[@connman8d617]

You can probably throw ZG and AQ20 into that mix fairly easily as well. It's not too too hard to get 20 people together and those raids are highly rewarding.

[@vinnie9458]

I'll probably focus more on leveling (professions included) and see what happens. I'm looking forward to the more social nature of the game.

[@HyperBlast4]

Ya i'm gonna be focusing on professions 2. Gonna be taking tailoring and enchanting

[@Volteer]

I started playing WoW with WotLK and mainly played it for the leveling content. The fact that it quickly went more and more towards the leveling phase simply being seen as a nuisance you have to rush through to get to the "real" game at max level was what drove me away. I'm so excited to get to experience the game in a way that makes progression feel actually rewarding.

[@ageoflove1980]

I would add that what you say is trietfor returning players. If you are completely new i'd say most raiding content is off limits on 10 hours a week unless you have a very good guild or friends who do have experience or have exeptional talent. Even the endgame 5 man dungeons can be extremely hard and/or time consuming in a pick up group with unexperienced players. I think that in general the game is alot harder than you seem to remember when you were new aswell.

[@elxokas]

great content, as always tips.

[@justinthacker370]

When I was playing vanilla, my guild leader was 71 and I was 13. I've tried everything in my power to find her. I'm almost 28 now. We cleared everything up until Naxx. It's sad to think that she's probably not here to play classic WoW with the old guild.

[@RomanGalon]

Cant wait for this !!!. That time when you were able to tell how well is guy geared comparing to you just visually :)

[@rubix2007]

When the game first came out, reaching 60 fast was all I could think about. As time progressed and expansions slowly destroyed the game, i've definitely changed my feeling about leveling, and classic is about enjoying the journey and slowly progressing your character. I think i'll actually play less once im 60. It really is the immersion of the world that keeps you wanting to log back in.

[@Clavitz1]

level 10 with the same experience as a level 50. I get what you're going at but at the same time no....not at all. Every class i'd say has access to certain talents and abilities at a specific level that makes them much more enjoyable to play. Warriors for example feel better once you reach 20 and can dual wield or reach level 34 and can weave in slams for 2h damage or even at level 40 where each spec gets their "bread and butter"

[@marioburbank1135]

I was a cassual player even in vanilla.... i start playing wow at 20s year old and was studing and working. I took me like 4 month reaching to lvl 60 and by the time all my friend (with more time) were raiding to this hard dungeons and It wasnt possible to me to get easily into those partys, part couse my main was a hunter and in that time ppl prefer another dps as mages or warloks . So I spend my days on the battle arenas and it was very entertaining.

[@goldenmemes51]

Are hunters good in pvp? Also what is the best spec for leveling is it beast mastery? And is bm good for world pvp and arenas

[@gavin58582]

Yes You can clear all the raid content if you are a casual as long as you take a long view of the game. If you expect to clear it all in a year no you cannot do it. But if you expect 2 maybe 3 years yes you can. This is what my guild will be doing

[@davemaybee1618]

I’d join that type of guild

[@Zuron]

I wouldn't bet on you, but good luck

[@t3chn0dr0n3]

This is the most correct yet at the same time the most delusional comment I've seen under this video. " If you expect to clear it all in a year no you cannot do it." - this is what all players expect, yes. No one joins a game which they plant to complete after a year. Claiming so just means they're delusional. "if you expect 2 maybe 3 years yes you can" - this pretty much means "no, you can't" because by then Classic will be over. "This is what my guild will be doing" - your guild will fall apart before the first year. I'm ready to bet money on that.

[@gavin58582]

Rosen Kostov that is where you are wrong. Classic will not be over in a year. It will take the team at least 24 months to get BC ready. Classic has already been in the works for 3 years at this point. So no it is not wrong. I played during classic and guild that started day one were still together working on bwl and AQ40 and didn’t break up because they were not in Naxxramas.

[@gavin58582]

@@davemaybee1618 Contact me HelzBelz#0716 on Discord. We are a Alliance, US ET PVE guild.

[@kevindorsi1753]

As a former die hard pvper and now, casual player I feel you did PvP a great injustice I this video by revolving it around ranking. Twink PvP, world PvP while leveling and city raids are all things a casual could easily find themselves enthralled with.

[@bricktop2393]

Kevin Dorsi agreed 100%

[@lovetrollingaround]

Remember there wont be a nother expansion release in the next two years :) So I believe casuals can do just as much things as hardcore players. Its just gonna take more time

[@UNDERDOGOD]

This is a really good video and I'm glad you made it. Many people who played WoW back in the day, myself included, had to share computers with siblings, had curfews, had parents watching over them, school work to do etc. and thus played only for about 1-3 hours a day (if lucky enough to play during the week). I myself played for around an hour a day, with 2-3 hours a day during the weekend. I enjoyed the game immensely. I raided MC and Onyxia regularly and even set foot in BWL. The only reason I did not finish BWL was because TBC launched soon after. People seem to forget that Vanilla WoW is THE casual MMO.

[@TheNacropolice]

I legit hope WoW Classic does well so that blizzard can make the next xpansion ,or even the next MMO (doesn't even have to be blizzard) resurrect that style of and pace of gameplay

[@colvWTFcolv]

Tbc/wotlk has to confirmed from blizzard leaked documents

[@th8452]

I can't comment directly on being causal during vanilla because I was hardcore from Vanilla launch day till Burning Crusade launch day, was at one point in a world top 20 guild and did make GM. That being said I have been a causal player since about the middle of BC and have loved it ever since. I have always found plenty of fun to be had, I never feel like I'm missing out on the hardcore raid scene (was fun while it lasted but who can keep up that schedule/motivation forever?) Starting around the Pandaria time frame, I found great fun in slowly leveling and following the storylines in detail. I even take the time to make notes and maps about the quests, zones, and characters involved. Some of the story lines are actually quite amazing and epic. I'm very excited to revisit the quests that were lost during the Cata xpac and learn all that I missed out on. I remember a lot of those quests took you across multiple zones and even some all across the world.

[@Hifcrea]

I think if they released classic at the beginning summer a lot of people wouldn’t see the sun one day out of 2 months. And honestly I wouldn’t play classic to get to cap and experience end game. I would slowly build a character over time to hopefully fully engage in end game if they release TBC and WOTLK down the line

[@y.5107]

As a casual at level 60 it's not fun. Even though I play a tank I don't find dungeon groups. Everyone is hardcore rushing mc/bwl/ony and stupid pvp grinding. No fun at all :(. People are so ridiculously overequipped already... This doesn't feel like the original classic experience. Everyone is chasing by guides and everything is optimized...

[@SS5Ghaleon]

We know so much more than we did in 2004-06. Raiding should be much easier comparatively nowadays, which means shorter raid times, less raid days, and better players. After all, 10-15 players of raids were usually filler.

[@shivasthong4924]

We'll see how it plays out , though I would like a release date announced hopefully before July.

[@Fliptality]

so true. when TBC came out my guild was trying (and failing lol) at Saphiron. At least 5 players out of 40 were SO bad, they should have not even been allowed to play the game in the first place. And don't forget about the MASSIVE amount of trash mobs and the fast respawn timer....

[@christinevenner183]

@@Fliptality Dont forget the buggy hunter pets running off and pulling every mob in the place back with it lol. Such fun :)

[@tywinlannister8015]

That's funny. You published the video right as I decided to give up on high level grind (PvE and PvP wise). I mean since the beginning I knew that I wouldn't manage anything else but a few hours per week tops. But still that'll suit me. Xping at my own pace, running a couple of dungeons in a week. Looks good. The one thing I wanted to use summer for though was to try and relieve younger years and pull a marathon to 60. I had signed with those people doing the "Molten Core the First Week" challenge. But if I do that I'll never be able to recover sleep properly. I mean just yesterday I pull a workday of more than 24h without any form of rest - I know that I'll be unavailable for the next two days. Especially since my heart can't handle that crap any more and I regularly have the precursory signs of an attack so the doctors say I must rest properly ...

[@najalundgren3565]

"Vanilla has always been about the journey, not the destination." Extremely well said. This was heavily damaged with BC, completely destroyed with WotLK, and never came back.

[@shawninlow3929]

Thank you Tips, I really enjoyed this video. I know my last comment on your last video was definitely long winded but I feel you captured and expressed my point in this video. Keep it up, hope to see ya this summer. Thanks again.

[@victuss1413]

I would actually argue that some aspects of classic wow were much more casual friendly. If you define your world of warcraft experience and your "goal" in the game as raiding, as I have for many years now, then the days of hardcore nax raiding and grinding to max asap, looking at spreadsheets, boss mechanics, farming materials is most certainly not casual friendly. I think it would be silly to say that was all World of Warcraft was tho. It was a world, first and foremost. My father played for a few years before he passed away. Playing the AH, herbing and grinding gold was what he enjoyed most about it. I'm sure somebody enjoyed skinning or enchanting just as much as he enjoyed playing the auction house, but i auctally feel like world of warcraft's downfall began when people started playing the game only for endgame, and only for the new zones. the old zones became empty, and meaningless. If they want to save the game, they need to put the RPG back into MMORPG. Make the old world matter again. In some capacity. if you add new herbs to the game, spread them throughout the world. If you add new enchants, make the recipes and materials to perform the enchant located everywhere, not just the new zones and so on. I enjoyed skinning mobs in the shimmering flats. on my server which was alliance biased I hardly ran into anybody. If i wanted solitude, i could find it in the world. If i wanted to group, there were challenges i could not overcome alone, IN THE WORLD. I guess what i'm saying is, Its not about casual, or hardcore, new or old. Make the game an rpg again. Bring some meaning back into the world, and let everybody find their niche on the server, their place to belong. There were many aspects of the game. In classic, raiding was like the icing on top of a beautifully baked cake. the extra stuff to do when you hit max. Now its the point. and its the only point. race to max, and wait, and damn everything else.

[@Freakout404]

Blizzard should give this guy some shares... used to be in middle school while playing vanilla now I have lots of responsibilities and a daughter. Tried to deny/ignore the fact that I'm thrilled for classic wow for a long while . But now I guess I'll give it a shot :)

[@TKJoyRide]

"After all Vanilla WoW has always been about the journey not about the destination" you couldn't say it much better well done!

[@Carriesue1982]

I was 23-24 when I started playing tbc, now I'm... older lol :p. Didn't want kids so don't have them to deal with but I'm still going to play casual.. I've already raided hardcore in tbc and wotlk(and also raided in a few private servers and in bfa till I left out of pure boredom), I'm over it. I just want to enjoy the ride up to level 60. I plan to take as long as I did back when I first started wow, I'm the weirdo that loves questing and has done loremaster a few times.. I like to take my time and read quests lol and also work on professions, meeting people, running groups. I am in zero rush. If I raid, cool, if I don't eh no biggie. If I find a good guild that is raiding and doing well then I'll stick with it but right now I only have my server picked out, nothing else. So to me, yes there's plenty for casuals to enjoy imo. :)

[@Ruskad]

"Yes, of course, who has time? Who has time? But then if we do not ever take time, how can we ever have time?" Video is dead on. Classic is good regardless of how much time you have.

[@knerdyknight6110]

I was really looking forward to play a part of history I was barely alive to be a part of. I was looking forward to playing something my dad had got hooked on 15 years ago. Sadly, it comes out late August just as school starts. Maybe next summer.

[@bikesandcameras423]

I'm just looking forward to the open world PVP in places like Tarren mIll vs Southshore and defending the Crossroads in the Barrens. :)

[@ChenhopwoodAuPhotography]

I got ganked so much in barrens lol

[@rongrover3650]

My wife and I are going to play even if we never get to 60. It was amazing just playing to level 7 during the stress test and BSing in general chat, joining random parties to share quests, etc. That's the thing I miss most.

[@urcatmeow]

Yeah, miss that most, too :) Can't wait for classic... Maybe I can convince my bf joining classic, he'd played in 2005.

[@williamarthurfenton1496]

It's insane that people think they 'deserve' access to absolutely everything because of their circumstances. I played casually - a lot of time but not seriously - back then, yet I completely accepted the fact I'd never see AQ40 or Naxx, or reach any high rank in PvP. If one doesn't have the time, then it really is selfish to expect the game's progression system to be compromised for one's own sake. Many of the people in my vanilla guild were adults with jobs and families. In my experience that hasn't changed at all when one looks at the average player. It's also true that there were plenty of terrible players who still managed to reach 60, so all this nonsense about it being 'elitist' wanting vanilla challenge really makes no sense.

[@lakkakka]

William Fenton bitch you don’t get to decide for others what they do or do not deserve. You just decide what you deserve. And them you work to get it.

[@richie616]

True casuals -- that is, players who enjoy gaming at a leisurely pace for fun and adventure, not bad players who try unsuccessfully to hide behind a more socially acceptable label -- are going to be some of the happiest players in Classic. I'll go so far as to say they'll enjoy their time in Azeroth even more than the hardcore crowd. Tips, this is one of your best videos yet. You really nailed it, especially your comments about story. It's important to remember that WoW isn't just an MMO...it's an MMORPG. Those last three letters are what's going to keep casual players happy and coming back for more for a very, very long time.

[@warhammerguy]

I still think that "today we don't have time" argument is kinda bs. Though it is true many of us played vanilla in our teens when we didn't have jobs, families or other responsibilities. There were still a large player base in vanilla of adult people that did have those responsibilities and balanced them and playing the game just fine. A friend I went to college with told me her mother was a single mother that had to raise her pretty much alone. But she had not only time to play the game from time to time. She also was a guild leader and managed a 40 man raid team to mc and BWL. If a single mother can do that in addition to working and raising a daughter then a lazy pre-grad working as a cashier can at least manage to level to 60.

[@gobbel3265]

Darth Digital Jesus 😂

[@testpattern23]

heh I started in 2004 at age 30 and was raiding MC and BWL with no issues. Responsibilities and all. Now at 45 I plan to do the same with Classic :)

[@SpencerJ289]

I don’t know how you do it Tips, but all you do is produce high quality content. Every video is informative and entertaining. Tips Out Baby!

[@seelengst]

Onyxia was a 16 part attunement. A few parts of the chain requiring a party. I don't know if I would necessarily consider that Casual friendly. More like a middle man between Casual and not so much. Not to mention some of the most iconic drops from a lot of places on the raid list requires a little more oomph than I feel a 5-10 hour a week person can give (often requiring further raids, Dungeon loot, good currency pools, and other special conditions etc etc) to complete. So my, 'completely safe for Casual play'. Raids would probably cut out MC and Ony. I'm surprised you didnt mention that Vanilla had a great Dungeon tier system for us casual level 60s though. You could be well off as a 5 man Master chasing after Dungeon Tier 1 and then 2 at that time commitment...barring you did youre best to get the short cuts through BRD.

[@ulafzs]

Casual players 30min experience is runing from one point to other.

[@228Ghost228]

walking through a rainy stranglethorn vale, taking in the atmosphere for 30 mins? sounds relaxing as hell.

[@electricant55]

@@228Ghost228 until you get ganked into oblivon

[@nodiern08]

You good sir have earned yourself a subscriber! Thank you so much for showing me that I can play this game casually. I was worried that 1-2 hours a day wouldn’t be enough time to get any progress done. I’m looking forward to playing this game and experience it for the first time.

[@1117ERIC7111]

I’m honestly happy just to lvl in a pvp server

[@magicc1204]

im not a filthy casual but i really appreciate you taking the time to make a video like this. i have alot of irl friends that play games casually and were turned off by the stigma of classic wow being a game for unemployed turbo nerds only.

[@XhizorBE]

Shallow mindset do you friends have, my advice search new friends. Because to me it seems they are very judgemental :)

[@honestjason7854]

honestly just put live to win on a 10 hour loop that will get you there.

[@johngame2119]

Questing is such fun that complete causals like myself have preferred it more then retail for years and years. Only once or twice done dungeons. Enjoyed in world PVP. Loved levelling professions. Grinding for the mounts. etc. The fact that I knew there was so much more to the world, bits of which I only sometimes ran into, just made the world seem more real.

[@onedankind8168]

Honestly we were always casual... we just played a lot more with unorganized unproductive game time for other social reasons too. With less time now we will just make sure we are logging on for a reason, more so.

[@onedankind8168]

JOE FS hell yeah.

[@vincentvega8321]

Fantastic topic Tips, unfortunately 100% my case. I am 36 years now and played vanilla back in the days. I am now coming back as I enjoyed it so much in the past. Things changed of course. Exhausting job, wife, 20 month year old daugther etc etc. I will play as a hunter this time as I have so less time. Reasons are = Easy leveling, great solo farming abilities, great open pvp/bg abilities and hopefully asked/great in dungeons. Will not have any time for raiding , actually rarely for dungeons ( 2-3 hours in a row is difficult with wife and small kid ). Still looking so much for it, can´t wait. Keep up the great work !

[@andrewfisher4501]

Is that “best classes for casuals” video still coming? I’m going to be pretty casual and I’m very undecided on what to play.

[@S0u11ess]

Im a casual and i love being druid. They make great 5 man dungeon tanks, and ive respecced feral, resto, and now balance and wnjoyed them all. For a while i missed bwing a gnome warlock, but then i respecced balance and i love being a boomkin.

[@FranklinSan]

This is a topic I’ve been giving a lot of thought to lately. I’m not 18 anymore... I’m 32 :( I’ve got a full time job and the time off I do have I spend with my lady or at someone’s kids birthday party lol

[@krabkrovi]

Do I want to play it? Yes, to get that tear of nostalgia out of my eye, to spent couple evenings a week when it's cold and nothing else to do. Would I pay 15$ a month for this? Hmmm, no.

[@ianashmore9910]

Exactly. There should be a Classic Only subscription for like $7.

[@Leiwen168]

Wow dude, something speciel in the way you presented this. "Working 40 hours ago... slower pace, maybe that's a good thing... enjoy yours.." I got goosebumbs... lol! Great voice and video progressing.

[@kebby8251]

First goal- level 40 mount Second goal - level 60 Third goal - dungeon set

[@beansgarcia3811]

You wont have a mount at lvl 40. Can almost gurantee

[@kebby8251]

@@beansgarcia3811 I did in vanilla, so...m

[@michalj1333]

1st goal - get four linen bags :D

[@watchthe1369]

Level slowly and enjoy it, yes. Raiding would be a no, it is a time sink. PVP would be a yes as long as you are not looking to rank up.

[@hironobu64]

What's amazing to me is that the idea that 'everyone can have everything' is a part of the gaming (culture in general if we're being honest) environment. It seems obvious to me that not everyone can have everything, and in accepting that, we allow ourselves to create rarity and specialility. The former completely devalues everything, and leaves this sense of meaninglessness. You get bored. Seeing a lvl 14 High Warlord should be an event Yes, just seeing the guy/gal. Someone hopping around on a scarab Lord mount should make you jealous and or perhaps simply be awe inspiring because you know what it took. Can casuals play this game? I totally agree with your take on this. Can casuals get everything. No, and they shouldn't be able to. I'm the age group and casual this video describes and am excited out of my mind to play this game. I know I won't be able to do it all, and I don't want to.

[@Mick0Mania]

I played a bit of WoW towards the end of MOP. I have never played official classic WoW, and I played on a classic server for a couple of days. I am really looking forward to classic WoW! It's focus on RPG elements, community and the process of leveling instead of just the endgame is more appealing to me as someone who cannot spend a lot of time on the game. I can immerse myself in the world for short instances instead of accepting that everything is irrelevant until I get to the endgame like it is on live.

[@dr3357]

I enjoyed vanilla and I was a casual! I played like half as much as the hardcore players. So I averaged about 8 hours a day, every day, for 3 years...

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

that's casual gaming!

[@Texas240]

I recently saw another KZbinr trying to define "casual gamer" as it relates to the industry in general, where the term is derogatory. I was already an adult, working full time, when Vanilla was a thing. The people I raided with were a mix working adults and college students, for the most part. I would classify myself and many of the people I played with as "hard-core casual". Casual because of limited time to play and hard-core because when we were playing, we weren't screwing around (at least not when we were in a group or raid). That's not to say the game was work. There were plenty of moments of random humor. Just because someone doesn't play for a "hard-core" duration per game sitting does not mean they can't be good when they are playing. Another benefit of classic, for time limited people is that, without the advent of the resilience stat, you don't need to farm separate pvp gear to be competent in pvp. With that said, I don't recommend warrior to a person with limited time. In vanilla, warriors had no sustain and spent a lot of time eating and bandaging and could be downright un-fun, at times, when playing solo.

[@Nyquil_SR]

Where's the best class for causals video?

[@mikeychad8532]

i didn't get the chance that everyone had back in vanilla for the leveling experience. I was always at a friends house and used his account(which was made up of mid 40's) and had my experience from that. I am excited to see how this experience is going to be from where it all started. :D

[@brentg.1982]

Classic is a traditional MMO it was made for Casuals.

[@smitty7326]

say that to anyone who hit rank 14 haha

[@brentg.1982]

@@smitty7326 ok

[@deletedelete4870]

yes! I don't plan to do much end game content at all really, in fact It'll take me a year to reach 60 maybe more time than that as I plan to level several characters simultaneously. Having my own team that can benefit from all the random world drops will be the most fun I think - find that ten stam ten agility leather belt then level my rogue who finds a plate bracer so then level my warrior etc - I plan to work on all the professions and general min/max at each level as the journey is the important part not raiding Nax!

[@AlexeyB8]

1/2 of AQ40 is exactly how far I got 14 years ago being a casual with minimal mechanic or general game knowledge

[@The80sWolf_]

I played vanilla, but missed out on much stuff. I have not even done everything in ZG, probably not even BWL. Never got a full set of a armor. This time I know what to expect. I know what is worth spending time on doing. One of the mistakes was playing only one character, instead of having one aimed at mostly pve, and another soloing/solo dungeons, pvp

[@SpencerJ289]

I’ll be happy if I can lvl cap and run Mc and Onyxia.

[@kingdavey90]

Same!

[@Litany_of_Fury]

I've been playing private for a year or two now with my max level being 53 and 48 with my main Human Warrior Tank and my Human Paladin Healer. I played for about 30mins to and hour a day and a good 3-10hours on the weekend, with about 3-8 dungeons a month depending on what was available at the time. I would spend small time doing generic quests and making small progress at a time but on weekends I would dedicate a lot of time to profession grinding and helping my guild be at a level we could all play together with cohesion. As a officer in a small vanilla/classic guild of friends it's important to dedicate your professions and time to help people do those nasty elite quests in Red Ridge, Duskwood and the Alterac Mountains; also in those early levels it's a good idea to provide rare gems or rare items in return for bags and enchantments, there will always be a tailor or a smithy, so get on their good side and help them out from time to time, and maybe not sell that spider silk or random gem? I don't know why i'm saying this, must be because I have vanilla waiting fatigue.

[@Litany_of_Fury]

'2 years?!"?!?!?!?" yeh we were a bit slow but we had a great time!

[@proteamdirector]

“Average vanilla wow player was 28.” No joke, I’m gonna turn 28 right before Classic goes live 😆

[@azell2913]

i was trying to play it when i was 10 lol

[@kionake1]

Ben Schwarz i was my dads pocket healer at the age of 5 😂 glad he introduced me tho

[@TheJakobRose]

@@kionake1 I was 5 as well! Dad's tradeskill leveler bc he hated them lol

[@Peetskeet]

holy shit im 28 right now /mindblown

[@kombuchas4684]

Happy early birthday, man. :')

[@ThraxxMediaOfficial]

My Tauren Shaman negotiated for a LONG time to get the Hammer of Sulfuras made back in Vanilla (and he even won that argument over the guild's leading warrior and main tank). Too bad it took "only" another 10 years or so for the Eye to actually drop. By that time, the Tauren had long been transferred into a Draenei and went to Molten Core to farm pets and transmog. Point being: even if something takes you longer than average... don't ever think of yourself as "filthy casual"; you can still do it.

[@australienski6687]

You can not play WoW casually, by the time you get decent gear it will be useless in a patch or two. It's a never ending treadmill.

[@fiedogg8861]

Now 51 and joining WoW in mid 2007, I believe I can enjoy it any way and however many hours I can play. Raiding aside, which I never did before, Im am so looking forward to playing and seeing everything I missed almost 18 years ago. I still play now but the game isn't the same sadly. Born a hunter and I miss so much about the original character I made. Looking forward to taming my first pet.......Again :)

[@sheevthewireless110]

Right now it's more like "too busy thinking about playing classic"