Can I Beat Final Fantasy 10 using only Counter Attacks? - Challenge Video

[@Primalliquid92]

Huge Thank you to Spellmasons for sponsoring todays video! check the game out on steam here! - bit.ly/Spellmasons

[@VTWS]

This game has pretty impressive reviews, I’ll actually try it!

[@eseray1029]

"A counter can't trigger a counter" Good thing this isn't Disgaea or the counter war would've gone crazy.

[@Primalliquid92]

hmmmmmm idea

[@nightmare-cp8th]

@@Primalliquid92 OH I WANT A DISGAEA CHALLENGE COUNTER btw you are awesome bro

[@ramaluminus]

@@Primalliquid92 oh no

[@DarkFrozenDepths]

actually, that reminds me of FF7 with the infinite reflects

[@lordgohan5907]

​@DarkFrozenDepths I think the reflects do stop at some point in ff7. I remember as a kid causing the reflect chain to see what woukd happen and I left the room. At some point the reflect stopped because I came back in to enemies giving my party the hurt.

[@Leonfei]

Primalliquid: I'm tired of the name drama, so I'm going to name blondie here Ko-Fi. Primalliquid, 1 minute later: ...for Tie-dus here...

[@Primalliquid92]

hey i just have a small brain...

[@Calvados656]

Tie-dus is the better sounding pronunciation anyway.

[@DennGreenIII]

"Tee-dus" always sounded really stupid to me, so no complaints here about his pronunciation lol

[@iwannalaugh2964]

Ngl, I had never heard Ko-Fi be said out loud so I was surprised when he said it like Wi-Fi and not coffee

[@Danahell]

As a natural spanish speaker, Tie-dus always sounded stupid to me, Tee-dus is the most natural sounding choice

[@natecunha2795]

At the start of the video, he mentioned needing a "palette cleanser" before starting the next challenge. Clearly it's going to be a FFVI Relm Sketch-Only challenge...

[@TheBlackSeraph]

I'm guessing it's a FF4 challenge based on it appearing in his steam list during the ad.

[@grinoveron]

Who does even think about " can you beat FF10 with only counter attack" Primal you are wild xD

[@Primalliquid92]

i like to think outside the box

[@DarkOrderSolDjango]

Can you beat FF10 only Using Lulu physical attacks ?

[@anndeekingman]

I dropped this as an option in the enemy skill video, glad to see the comments are turning into videos.

[@Primalliquid92]

oh i always browse the comments, sometimes i just might not be in a position to reply but any good ideas do get noted

[@grinoveron]

@@Primalliquid92 "Can i beat Final Fatasy X only using lancet" 400h of grind and a lose of sanity later 🤣

[@Salty_McPopcorn]

You need to put "I'm going to slightly bend the rules" on a shirt.

[@Primalliquid92]

hmm wonder what the interest rate would be here

[@bradwhite4827]

Dude, the fact that you did this regardless of bending the rules ( because you have to) is awesome in my book! Such a great game! And a good guy to make the video!

[@Primalliquid92]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@DolFunDolhpinVtuber]

Can I counter this attack? Computer says no. This was a very hard challenge to accomplish.

[@mateuszzemojdzin7579]

10:00 - I would consider it a failure, but keep going and count in how many fights do you have to actually attack (I would count tutorials and previous fight with Sin as well). Very good video by the way :)

[@dasjuden6386]

I think you're fine manually countering. In the interest of making entertaining content, I think it's perfectly fine. You do a great job being clear that it might not count.

[@Wakka1993]

The reason why counter get not trigger are. AOE attack do not trigger it. Attack that do special damage. Thats why you can fix the ruke for these 2 since you counter a attack and the game does not allow it in the first place Counter weapon for Tidus can be bougth at mushroom rock earlist. For counter challenge in FF10 you want speed not to high or you get capal tunnle syndrom just pressing Triangle.

[@Primalliquid92]

speed is an interesting debate, you dont want to many turns over the mobs but likewise need enough to cover healing

[@GiantButterKnife]

For the sake of this kind of challenge run, because it is already going to be very difficult, you should be permitted to just mod in Counter and Magic Counter weapons for everyone at the start, and absolutely impliment a "attack once per special attack that doesn't trigger counter if I can't get normal counters to trigger" rule.

[@DomPeart-mz9rk]

Sam you are a legend mate. Always enjoy your content. Think you should try "can you complete ff9 only using quina" that would be fun to watch 👍

[@knightky975]

Honestly until you could customize Counter Attack I just assumed you would only attack after an enemy hit you. Another fun challenge~

[@MrTylerWpg]

Am i a terrible person for wanting to see you keep going along and just have a "We had to cheat for these bosses" list at the end? All the Seymour fights and Yunalesca would have been soul destroying. Love your stuff PL can't wait for the next vid! And yes get Daph some food (but as for the letting her out of the cage part don't get too generous)

[@0num4]

Can you beat the game with permanent Confusion status on all party members? That's next-level masochism.

[@scale_bnb]

Is the next challenge can you beat ffx using only jump? 🤔

[@slymz2141]

Idk why but i feel like im addicted to watching these videos.

[@xerxiesdaoc]

I agree in the spirit of the challenge attacking after you get hit shouldnt be allowed BUT i think for future challenges bending the rules in such a way in order to press on should be fine. Honestly even just a compilation at the end of here are all the bosses it worked on and heres the ones that said nope. Obviously assuming that doesn't just break your game entirely

[@boldsirrob1657]

When playing a lot of blitz, you really missed out on nedus in luca

[@stevendean455]

I mean technically by manually attacking after being attacked is a loss of a turn (no defend or heal) so if anything you get to continue the run and put yourself at a disadvantage. It's definitely allowed

[@stevendean455]

And immediately after I post that you hit the al bhed ship and say the exact same thing. 😂

[@MajesticMacaroon]

Your FFX videos give me life ❤

[@Primalliquid92]

your comments give me energy!

[@BIGJONNN559]

My favorite FF 🗡

[@DragonThisWagon]

Didn't finish the vid at this time, but hitting after Sigh counts as a counter to me. It refused to do anything else and this was to continue the run. I think it should be allowed as long as it keeps the spirit and/or prevents a soft lock.

[@pulsefel9210]

the attack after damage is effectively a counter attack. also counts as a detriment since you cant use that turn to heal or defend

[@dreamoftheendless1603]

Love your videos!

[@Decade-c9k]

Hilariously, Dark Bahamut is a bonus boss that's not only beatable with only counters, this is an easy strategy for beating it.

[@Primalliquid92]

i know xD thats how i did it in my khimari only run

[@Rougenstein]

Blitzball robot is so easy it's basically an interactive cutscene

[@magiergrouf]

One interesting challenge would be "Can you beat Final Fantasy X without saving?" The point is no restoring of HP or MP and no Rez of Aeons with the saves. The Game can only be saved when you get restored by the story anyways.

[@enoyna1001]

ODINS (one day in no saves) runs are as old as the game

[@Dorumon21]

A game where counter sounds overpowered, what can possibly go wrong? Unfortunately, a lot of things. I will say least you gave it the best honest try. Also I wouldn't worry being too hard on yourself, a lot of challenge runners had to do things they don't like cause it was a no choice situation but we still like watching the challenge run anyhow long as its still entertaining to watch.

[@Oddlot0930]

I like the rule bend of counter attack if it's not proc'd automatically. You technically lose a defense phase for reduced damage, so it feels like a decent trade off

[@Primalliquid92]

yea i lose reduced incoming damage and healing

[@kevinpalmer4137]

Too bad I can think of no way to get warplane winds at that point in the game... maybe there is a merchant that sells some death resistant armor... or if you had used summoning, counting that Seymour as a summon fight, like isaru

[@Dragontc]

I think the question - Can you best FFX eith just counter attack - should be no. However i dont think it should stop you from beating those fight that you cant like youve been doing and continuing to the end for content because i think it will be interesting to see the rest of the boss fights

[@TheAngelOfDarknessLP]

I would throw out as a wild guess ff3 and as an even wilder guess freelancer only

[@Primalliquid92]

nope not a bad guess though as that challenge is actually something i have planned for the future

[@velvetbutterfly]

"Two potions from the NPC for later" Is it possible your hint was immediately after you mentioned it? FF7 has two potions on the opening train platform and I don't remember getting any items in Zanarkand. Is the hint you're doing something in FF7?

[@enoyna1001]

A girl will give you two Potions on the way to the stadium if you promise to get her tickets

[@Clad_in_Darkness_Gaming]

A shot In the dark. Ff6 challenge trance Terra only

[@chaossnowkitsune6377]

Can Primal beat a challenge run in FFX without playing Blitz ball? Is definitely something we need. lol Seriously though I was originally going to suggest magic only in FF4 as your next run due to FF4 showing up during the sponsor that has "Spell" in its name, but you already said FF4 wasn't next. So I am honestly not sure now. Although... it is possible it is an item only challenge. Not sure which game, but you did put a lot of emphasis on you usually not allowing items at the start of this video. So I guess I'm gonna guess it will be a no item challenge.

[@Ectar2003]

Definitely the sinspawn and blitzball machina were fails, imo. However, just counting the number of failures and going on is a fine way to get through the whole challenge run.

[@Roiken550]

Heres a run idea. How much gil do I need to pay yojimbo to beat the game. If you can add yojimbo when u get yuna and only use him though out the game use the least gil as possible.

[@enoyna1001]

As Aeons use Boss-specific camera angles, Yojmbo probably would softlock mandatory and Boss encounters until you fight Seymour Flux.

[@Roiken550]

@@enoyna1001 how? You can use aoens on any bosses when you have Yuna available and for normal flights. There's only a small handful of battles were Yuna isn't available

[@enoyna1001]

@@Roiken550 But not every Aeon is available for every boss.

[@Roiken550]

@@enoyna1001 the only bosses that would do that are the ones that you don't have access to Yuna. So I still don't get your point. Can you list some?

[@enoyna1001]

@@Roiken550 You don't have access to anything but Valefor and Ifrit when fighting Chocobo Eater or Sinspawn Gui.

[@disturbedrebirth]

Good call.

[@midorisetsuna7334]

Would it have been possible to equip armor with deathproof to take down anima?

[@Primalliquid92]

No, you can't get deathproof that early

[@midorisetsuna7334]

Heard, i just figured it might be a lucky drop in the blitzball tournaments But consider me uneducated

[@enoyna1001]

Pain has 'only' a 100% chance to hit with Death which the game lowers to 99%. Technically, you would have to get the 1% chance a lot times in a row and survive the damage from Pain which is normally not shown.

[@darielbasilio518]

Can you beat ffx without using the sphere grid, modded weapons, or Rikku use ability.

[@bronysaiyan5236]

I think it's a FFIV challenge during the sponsor but idk WHAT the challenge is tho lol

[@Snorlax8801]

Look behind you

[@dragonhearthx8369]

Why not use the rally ability? (Or whatever it is called) it doesnt do damage but it does boost damage and defence.

[@Primalliquid92]

You mean cheer? Because it's not a counter attack so it's banned

[@dragonhearthx8369]

@@Primalliquid92 I thought the only damage you could do was counter. Since Cheer is not an attack I thought it counted. Also, would reflect be considered a counter? I think you can get SOS reflect and other SOS items around that area.

[@seanlocke5366]

Let the stress begin 😂

[@Primalliquid92]

heck yea! wait till you see what else i got cooking

[@andrewsebree4333]

Wakka should be charged with attempted murder change my mind 🤣

[@mckdickie24]

Save me, I'm so tired of looking at them swimming.

[@reloadpsi]

Imagine being a celebrity with more money than god, and somebody rewards you for a ticket by tossing you two cans of Monster. Also when you're doing weird challenges like this, I think modding in the means to actually participate in the dang thing at the start of the game is pretty acceptable. However, I'd insist on ditching the modded-in items the second you find legitimate means of doing the thing.

[@Primalliquid92]

i did consider that but magic counter is a required means in alot of fights from macalania onwards and you cant get that legit until after the airship. thats why i only gave tidus counter and magic counter until guadosalam

[@thewimp9630]

Last time I was this early I had to endure the HAHAHAHAHA-scene ._.

[@matthewpletsch7523]

"Correctly." Is my guess

[@metalsonic8888]

Well that was anticlimactic. I mean obviously you can't best the game using only counter, a ton of reasons why came up in this video. But I was hoping you'd still go to the end and show off comprehensively what can and cannot be done with counter only

[@bowzofoshu6695]

Why has nobody created an Ultimate Counter Ability mod that gives you E&C, MC, and an Ability counter on one slot?

[@Primalliquid92]

10 isnt that easy to mod from what i've learned from those who do mod it

[@dmoney3337]

I heard SEES. couldve just been me hearing things but im going to guess something Persona 3 related. even though thats probably a stretch on my end lol

[@craigsands2567]

I wonder how Daph felt when you made 2 FF challenge videos that didn't include murdering Bahamut in order to reach the end or cause you just felt like it.

[@Primalliquid92]

well im still alive (barely)

[@craigsands2567]

@@Primalliquid92 use a Phoenix Down

[@millieplaint4087]

I think attacking sin spawn after sigh was fair and stayed in the rules of the run

[@saltysantos]

Think it’s fine to attack like you are in the situations you were in. What else could ya have done really

[@Primalliquid92]

yea i was just trying to give it a chance but ill be interested to see how the debate goes over the next day or 2

[@ZackeryGee]

Got 99 potions and a b**** ain't one!

[@mT4945]

FF8 only using cards items.

[@thobilemawerera679]

9:00 DISQUALIFIED

[@DisabledVersart]

Seems like not, firstly the target selecting from using an attack does not show up. And if you skip frames you see an obvious split where Tidus health changes indicating he got hit and did a counter attack.

[@Primalliquid92]

part of the fight was just cut thats all, you can see the health difference at the same timestamp you gave, i go from 394 to 300

[@thobilemawerera679]

my bad, missed the skip

[@Terins917]

Like and Comment for Primal money

[@lunarhare4215]

😎👍👍

[@zephyrblayze]

Eh. Since you're not even able to have counter by the early game rule breaking points, you really should just be allowed to beat things in any way

[@Primalliquid92]

i atleast like to keep some style of rules even when im forced to mod something in early

[@akuroku371]

no healing run? Lot of talk about potions in this video.

[@Primalliquid92]

i never said no healing

[@akuroku371]

@@Primalliquid92 ah. So the hint is something you said.

[@Primalliquid92]

oooooooh i thought you were on about something entirely different haha not the hint for the next rule

[@akuroku371]

@@Primalliquid92 dang it

[@boadams3207]

Dang if you weren’t going to play it out why was this video not just 30 seconds of you saying this is why it can’t happen. Personally I prefer you to play it out as far as you can. If it’s just impossible because of how the attacks are triggered it’s just a programming thing and not as much of a rule break as the other stuff.

[@orionedunderscore]

sorry bro this is a failed run imo

[@Brian2]

I am Brian and this is my favorite masochist on KZbin.

[@Primalliquid92]

aww thanks brian

[@brianmunoz8015]

Another here 👋

[@zell2626]

Cant wait for the FFX Kimahri Blue Mage/Ronso Rage only challenge

[@wizardgreen6154]

"Need a break from 10 series"! I love it when you start a video with a joke! one is NEVER done with 10

[@Primalliquid92]

i said palete cleanser from 10-2 haha

[@wizardgreen6154]

@Primalliquid92 lol hey there's still a 10 in there! My point stands...Or at least that's my story

[@pmsn3674]

I think that FF4's thumbnail in the Steam screenshot is the hint for the next video. If this is right, I shall have cake, please

[@Brian2]

That is my thought as well, saw it and rewinded to double check lol

[@Primalliquid92]

nope, not FF4

[@Brian2]

@pmsn3674 We need to rewatch to see if we can find it!

[@Clad_in_Darkness_Gaming]

@@Primalliquid92aww man. I was hoping for ff4. Dang

[@xJackieBx]

I'll take a stab at the hint and say it'll be some sort of Yuna/Lulu duo challenge but they can only use physical attacks. I think the hint comment was about giving them evade and counter later, not for a counter only challenge like this one, but just a way to let them get a slight bit more damage on top of their own basic attacks *edit to add that they can still use items/spells for healing and defensive buffs, but any damage output can only be done with basic attack or from counters.

[@ZaestraXD]

From what I understand, you can counter an attack command and white/black magic command, but you cannot counter abilities and skills.

[@adriancoleman2876]

I'd be keen to see a golden sun challenge run.

[@ramseynasir9286]

I agree with you at the 12:00 mark - manually counterattacking does not seem like it's in the spirit of the challenge. But instead of just calling it a fail and giving up I would suggest keeping a count of how many fights you had to bend the rules like that for, and then include that in the wrap-up.

[@IveBeenWithBruma]

Or Final Fantasy 10 could've made manual attacks 75% effective when not countering.

[@Omniroc]

I think you are way too hard on yourself. Manually countering is a harder version of countering, so that should be allowed.

[@Primalliquid92]

ill be interested to see how this debate goes

[@JoeyTK07]

Agreed

[@LolTac0Bell]

You dropped this 👑 Completely agree. And Mathematically impossible moments in the run aren't something that can be helped. It's like Mario 64 minimum A-press %, imo. Minimum Regular attack %

[@misuvittupaa8068]

Nah

[@exidy-yt]

'Counterattack' means the 'ability counterattack', not 'what the ability can do'. Attacking after being attacked should 100% be not allowed and a fail.

[@daddysnake5250]

i feel like for a run like this, even with it modded in, you can't feasibly start until Mihen. specifically because most of the bosses cant trigger the counter naturally in some situations. making it an attack/item only until Mihen, then counter only from there could save some headaches or feeling like the run is failed by manual counters. then again, maybe the manual countering could be worked into it, making it a no magic run until Mihen instead.

[@SaphTheDarkAngel]

I'd say when it comes to manual counter it should be allowed, unless doing a manual attack has a higher base damage than an auto-counter. However, as X does not have that as a feature you should be allowed to do so for any attack that hits but does not trigger counter. "Hits" specifically as with the base counter skill, if the attack does not land counter does not get triggered. Hope this was a good enough reason as to why it should be allowed. Can't wait to see what you do next Primal! Just make sure Daph gets some Bahumat action soon.

[@Toadzx]

Why would giving Auron Evade and counter (16:15) be considered bending the rules? It’s literally a counter.

[@EvanFarshadow]

You should give the Dragon Age series a try! Would love to see "How Overpowered Can You Get Before Skyhold" in Dragon Age Inquisition!

[@crh1985]

Still waiting for “how overpowered can you get before (insert area/boss here) in Atelier Ryza 3: Alchemist of the End & the Secret Key. I played the last 2 after watching your other video, why break tradition now.

[@Primalliquid92]

ryza 3 just didnt perform that well for me so didnt think people really wanted it

[@younglink027]

No please do

[@kelllee7647]

Can you beat the game as a blitzball?

[@iamthehobo]

Love ffx any way

[@MatronMugrai]

Throwing a random idea out there... 'Can I beat Final Fantasy 7 using only Bahamut?' Daph would approve of this run at least

[@martinakapenny]

It's really refreshing to see someone actually front up on a challenge video and say no, it's not possible. I can't remember the last time i saw a legit challenge video, most should be titled "Can i beat (game) using only X, except for when i use Y and Z to carry on regardless and make a longer video".

[@velvetbutterfly]

About the counter - attack bit at 10 min or so. I think the attacking thing is fine, but as a penalty I would ban healing or defending until the boss' next action. Using equipment swapping to waste turns. However I think the Counter skill you can unlock on the sphere grid would be acceptable and I probably would have modded that in instead of the weapons

[@GamingKume]

manually counterattacking does not seem like it's in the spirit of the challenge. it's either it works or it doesn't. if it doesn't then challenge failed. that's my opinion.

[@spuddylove6129]

3rd try 🤣 next challenge world of final fantasy but complete it without stacking plssss

[@Primalliquid92]

is this the new meme comment that gets put on every video :O

[@spuddylove6129]

@Primalliquid92 you're goddam right 🤣

[@zbennalley]

I'm still waiting for the FF VII lvl 99 at Reactor 1. All praise Circlemaster and fuck Dick Tree

[@Primalliquid92]

i did that in a short, check my channel page out and click shorts

[@Clawd87]

I think bending the rule at that plant thing is pretty much okay since...well....what else are you supposed to do? There's no way around.

[@TianaSidhe]

Hmm, Gigabrain strategy, eh? Might there be a girls-only challenge run in the works? Or a Rikku-only run featuring her Mix ability?

[@zeridoz4464]

I have an idea for possibly your easiest of these silly challenges yet...... Counter materia in ff7

[@joshbenoit2859]

Got my Only Flans Hoodie and my wife has already claimed it 😅. Id still love to see how over powered you can get in Xenoblade chronicles two before you "escape" the Titan Battleship. Since you can do the rescue mission then leave before beating it. Id love to see how over powerd you could get before coming back to finish the ship mission.

[@Primalliquid92]

sounds like you forgot rule #1 of buying 2 hoodies instead of 1 so you still have one when your SO steals it, as for xenoblade, never actually played it so thats a long way off im afraid

[@edwardnowakowski5990]

So what were you planning on doing with the girls in the party later in the game? You seemed to have unexplored ideas

[@adambeard8241]

Hoping the next one will be FFIV run, guessing based on playtime screenshot in the sponsor segment

[@Flutterdark_]

i imagine alot of the boss moves not being counterable at the start might be because you arent meant to have it yet so noone checked them

[@brandan7761]

Tales of Symphonia challenge video please? I'll primal your liquid if you do

[@Ouvii]

1:47 speaking of pronunciations, I'm pretty sure that Ko-Fi is pronounced "Coffee?" Idk that's what Thor of Pirate Software says so take that for what it is. Also it's Tide-us because that is what English speakers assumed it was back in the day. Obviously-if you are a weeb or Japanese-then it is Teed-oos. If you say Teed-us then you are just doubly wrong because you are trying to be a weeb but failing in the second syllable.

[@Primalliquid92]

pronunciations are always a pain lol i originally was saying it like "coffee" but then everybody kept saying i was wrong so i changed it

[@SycosenMerihem]

This is my Counter Attack. I may not get another chance to counter attack.

[@dragonlord45461]

if i remember there is both counterattack and magic counter

[@Scooby2120]

I dont think that aoe attacks should count against the counter rule