What most people dont realize is when you're starting a Project like this,, you end up being your own mechanic,, and thats where you really start saving money,,,
@EdwinOlding3 жыл бұрын
Very true
@JS-qi1ou2 жыл бұрын
I have some questions new to bikes and EV’s, on an E-Bike like this what kind of work would you need to do other than maintenance such as keeping up with the chain and brakes?
@Endorzan2 жыл бұрын
@@JS-qi1ou and change tires i think nothing else
@JS-qi1ou2 жыл бұрын
@@Endorzan that’s pretty nice, how long does the battery hold up with heavy use? Running the battery down 3 or 4 times a week?
@nickolaivuicich41052 жыл бұрын
@@JS-qi1ou around 3-4 years if you do 4 a week. Depends on how hard you are with the battery.
@jacobmoore10263 жыл бұрын
I’m from Australia & have been desperately waiting for someone to attempt this & document it. Please keep us updated with each step!
@Vertignasse823 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to tell you how much I find your videos useful and informative for people interested in Surron bikes. You answer a lot questions that people probably have, and you clearly explain the process you go through. If I end up getting a Surron (I probably will), it'll be in great part thanks to the information you provided and that contributed to reassure me. Thanks for the great content!
@EdwinOlding3 жыл бұрын
Hey I’m glad I could help. I was in your shoes wondering if they were worth it not too long ago so I’m just trying to put out all the information I can
@fengfang99003 жыл бұрын
Agree 100%! Thank You Bro! 👊
@GrindHardPlumbingCo3 жыл бұрын
yewww
@kevinclark91763 жыл бұрын
Is Scottie Wallace here?
@belden0073 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the whole time that the frame was smaller on the X160.. Interesting. I own an X260 and love it so much
@FortGeo13127 ай бұрын
2 years old but still gold!
@MrLew19653 жыл бұрын
Use to do Motocross when I was a Kid back in the 80"s ! Now I'm in my 50's and can honestly say that 6 years of Amateur Dirt Bike riding ruined my body !! It has to be one of the most strenuous sports in the world and nobody even thinks about it !
@codybarker78893 жыл бұрын
I was literally having this idea in my heading looking through the bikes and prices and I stumbled upon this video, love it brother🤙🤙🤙
@Mikefestiva3 жыл бұрын
That bike looks like a blast 👍 Nice riding too!
@kevinclark91763 жыл бұрын
Surron needs to sell a stripped version. What isn’t upgraded? Frame, seat and motor? Suspension, battery, controller, brakes, wheels, tires, foot pegs, handlebars are all big upgrades.
@markwilton44123 жыл бұрын
Or buy a second hand one and sell the parts you don't want.
@xpndblhero51703 жыл бұрын
Now if I only had a Segway bike and a few thousand dollars sitting around, I too could have a bike like this...... Edit: The link in the description says it's $3000 but they are actually $3500...Thats like $600 from a Sur Ron, but you still can get this bike then you can do the BAC 4000 or 8000 and it would be cheaper, that might make it be a beast.
@EdwinOlding3 жыл бұрын
Hope this project works 🤞🤞🤞
@maxbates17983 жыл бұрын
Where did you order the black fox 40s
@MstrB0ss3 жыл бұрын
Bro, can you please do a video on performance with the x160 battery and the surron x controller for those curious how just a controller swap would hang? Speed, range etc. just subbed, fucking glad I found your channel!
@ImAlive115503 жыл бұрын
Do you think you could rig it so it charges at an EV charge station using the universal port that most automotive manufacturer's use?
@jamesdanielsfanpage76103 жыл бұрын
@@ImAlive11550 😂😂😂😂😂
@kyleray49523 жыл бұрын
I wish I knew this before I ordered my x260 from China (still waiting). How exciting man, I'm glad it worked out.
@kyleray49523 жыл бұрын
@Haady Khan Alibaba. Link doesn't exist anymore
@user-rg5nk5fd8g3 жыл бұрын
Best of Luck for ur Bike hope it comes soon!
@kyleray49523 жыл бұрын
@Haady Khan $4k
@thekushman80773 жыл бұрын
@@kyleray4952 4K for a Segway that’s expensive that yeno I paid 3.8K for my surron 2021 second hand with 50 miles
@thekushman80773 жыл бұрын
@Haady Khan buy a proper surron mate don’t be touching the Segway bikes
@carlolding76993 жыл бұрын
THANKS for the test ride!
@GrindHardPlumbingCo3 жыл бұрын
Anytime that was a blast!
@Loganl19803 жыл бұрын
I built a diy mid-drive with NuVinci internally geared rear hub and it's crazy! These are so much fun!
@GrindHardShorts3 жыл бұрын
That sounds super sick!
@treyyoung59213 жыл бұрын
Thing is sickk!! Love your content as well, keep up the good work. You and ethan have amused me for multiple hours.
@EdwinOlding3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Tree_Cruiser3 жыл бұрын
I am really looking forward to more of this series. Awesome project and thank you, Edwin, for stepping to the plate to help us all discover what is what between these two bikes. For science!
@GrindHardShorts3 жыл бұрын
For science! I am happy to do it!
@jolonsweeney83873 жыл бұрын
It definitely looks to be a quickest bike I would replace the front forks with Fox 40s and the rear shock with the Fox DHX they work nicely on my downhill bike so they should be perfect for the Surron X cheers cool video
@robertos41723 жыл бұрын
The real point though is with a 3k Segway, a what 2K 72 V battery, a new controller, wheels, tires, forks, this thing will be north of 8K just in parts. It has mountain bike brakes but weighs over 100 lbs, can hit speeds way over what those brakes can sustain, that's another upgrade.....That is hard to justify.
@g20.charlie3 жыл бұрын
Brother got a x160 and now has 19in wheels, dnms, bac 8000, 72v battery, and loads more. And it’s silver
@chrisMc19723 жыл бұрын
What's the top speed?
@g20.charlie3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisMc1972 about 60. He has a 58t. I have a 48t sprocket
@lemont4522 жыл бұрын
For the sur ron x 160, you can use the 60v battery without changing your current standard controller. You really didn't need to change your controller...👍👍 Great job dope vid
@alekpeterson53213 жыл бұрын
This channel really beats the brakes off of cars and cameras and I’d rather be welding. I love all the projects and contraptions all the channels make, but you guys actually ride them! Love to see athletes and experienced riders come up with new toys and really get on them, the other channels ought to just send you their projects to rip around on because watching them gingerly drive them in an open field is frustrating
@jjhack3r Жыл бұрын
This isn’t the grind hard plumbing channel. This is just one of the guys from there
@-._._._-_._._.-3 жыл бұрын
Something I might have to do. Will be keeping up with the build.
@EdwinOlding3 жыл бұрын
I’ll do a full video at the end if it worked or not
@561josh73 жыл бұрын
Love to see someone in the trails with it thing rips 🔥
@taylorshockley22102 жыл бұрын
How is this cheaper the x160 is 3500 and the battery alone sells for around 1100 on ebay that’s 4600 not including the controller forks or wheels Am I missing something?
@TheRealElectricOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
buy a sur ron
@quinnfoster46713 жыл бұрын
Would love to see you get a Trampa 100/250A motor controller and testing out the self balancing wheelie mode feature on a bike like this. All you need is another lever on the handlebars to hook up for activating it.
@EdwinOlding3 жыл бұрын
That would be super cool I am going to look into this!
@quinnfoster46713 жыл бұрын
@@EdwinOlding Yep I would say go with the 75V 300A but I think it still does not have a gyro IMU, hit up Trampa and they might want to work out some kind of deal for promotion! The exact feature I talked about still needs to be added but there is nothing stopping it. This is the developer working on the wheelie mode for the VESC project: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKGsgqV6p7Kqh7s
@robertwalker8412 жыл бұрын
that footage of you on the trails has made me want to sell my norco sight e bike and get a surron.
@OregonTrailR2 жыл бұрын
Very nice! I did the same thing with my original sur ron (bought it right before the x controller became available a few years back) , had a helluva time with the bolts, they were overtorqued like crazy!!! Super sick single track you guys have out there, reminds me of home in southern Oregon.
@overpoweredbikes3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, love the parts list!
@TrojanHorse19593 жыл бұрын
Great video and subject Edwin, thank you!
@FarmerFpv3 жыл бұрын
OS motors are coming out with a clone Sur Ron motor and controller combo but in the 8kW nominal power range. So with a 60v battery, it will have close to the performance of running a 72v battery but you will of course suffer range unless you add a piggyback battery for that extra bit of range. You should check out the Drill one E-bike, the thing is a beast. Nice riding, Edwin, so jealous of your trails, lol.
@playwithfire10703 жыл бұрын
man i'm so happy with my surron, like you say something about this Emoto Bikes puts a smile on my face like nothing else :D
@PhiTonics3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the results!! 🙌
@shanelagonoy87692 жыл бұрын
you should upgrade the motor to a X motor because the motor on the x160 has a smaller stator and the magnets are a lot smaller than the X motor it might burn your motor
@devisionhun3 жыл бұрын
I guess the “pitfall” is, that people also upgrade all those surron X parts for a reason 😂 so, yeah, you get a cheaper X, but you’ll still need all the same fork, sprocket, wheel, battery and controller upgrades, this time with parts that everyone wants to buy…
@GrindHardShorts3 жыл бұрын
True, if you plan on upgrading anything anyway than this is a super cheap place to start!
@roseroserose5883 жыл бұрын
This is what I was thinking, if you're spending less then upgrading up to surron parts then the surron upgrades surely will also fit? Seems as though if you're gonna get the segway anyway, it might make more sense to save for longer and get the upgraded parts right off the bat, the biggest chunk of cash will always be the bike itself
@signaturestreetballmoves3 жыл бұрын
I did this project myself but better off buying a surron
@pocho38813 жыл бұрын
Why's that? Too much work?
@signaturestreetballmoves3 жыл бұрын
@@pocho3881 it isn’t if you already have the parts. x160 is like 3k. By the time you get all the parts to covert it to an x version… (and do all the work). You could just buy a surron and probably save a few bucks. X260 is $4500-5000. X160 like 3k-$3500. Surron $4100.
@awktik70743 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to keep the 17 on the back and put the 19 on the front only
@EdwinOlding3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing but I can’t find any good off road tires for it
@kyleray49523 жыл бұрын
@@EdwinOlding you may need to use an 85 class mx front tire.
@travisedwards68373 жыл бұрын
That's dope I love when people find hacks like this
@GrindHardShorts3 жыл бұрын
It is the best!
@visualdosage2343 жыл бұрын
i think u didnt have to cut that wire because u can unlock the full speed in the app too
@seaham3d6953 жыл бұрын
Great video, keep them coming!
@lewismulley67523 жыл бұрын
now the real question is the 72v in the light bee s
@bencote22192 жыл бұрын
An x160 motor is much smaller than a Surron X or x260 motor. There are other videos on KZbin about this.
@trevorda3 жыл бұрын
Cant wait to see if this works long term
@EdwinOlding3 жыл бұрын
I am super curious about the longevity too
@nickcraig24173 жыл бұрын
Selling my crf250l and coping one doing the suron upgrades
@nickmassey91043 жыл бұрын
So segways seems like the surrons poor cousin .but not anymore Really great. Fit the fox's 21 front 19 rear reverse mullet style 😎
@kevinclark91763 жыл бұрын
The mullet name from mountain biking is large front wheel, small rear. Business up front, party in the rear.
@ManuelGutierrez-be1ci Жыл бұрын
But Segway is a part of sur-ron. Same company makes both electric dirt bikes. The Segway is just a smaller more affordable one. The Segway one has features that the sur-ron doesn't offer. The bigger Segway to the 160x is the 260x. Same exact products just different ways to access the features.
@A2ZGeek Жыл бұрын
Well a year later and you can’t find a Segway under 6k and the surron is $4400.
@tintin62913 жыл бұрын
the x160 is actually not the same frame. if you put bigger forks like that's on the sur ron x your ganna have to cut a piece off at the head tube to make it fit. also ebmx figured out that it isn't the same motor either
@EdwinOlding3 жыл бұрын
Yes I’ll have to cut that piece or sand it down. Did they do a video on the motor?
@michaellundbom3632 жыл бұрын
This is dope. I am totally considering using my spare parts to convert an x160 instead of just selling them on CL now!
@TheRealElectricOutdoors2 жыл бұрын
howd that go
@𝐸𝓁𝒾-𝑀𝑜𝓉𝑒𝓈 Жыл бұрын
R u the dude from that channel with the barbie jeep
@topsper17703 жыл бұрын
Can you do a step by step guide on installing the new controller and how to properly put the battery in?
@EdwinOlding3 жыл бұрын
I could do a video on that next time I do it
@jyecameron76903 жыл бұрын
@@EdwinOlding please do that!!!! I am pickup up a stock X controller and battery in a few days.
@scottbradshaw67672 жыл бұрын
I would have hit at least 5 trees in the 75Ft
@LarryRichelli2 жыл бұрын
I know this from having guys tell me that the motor on the 160 is different. I thought it was the same but some guys will swear up and down that the motors are less powerful on the 160. What do you think or know on this subject? Also you can buy the sur ron motor at Luna Cycles for around $650
@mrrolandlawrence Жыл бұрын
interesting... i was thinking of getting the surron x and upgrading, but if the segway is essentially the same & im upgrading the parts.. why not save a few quid. great video with technical information & tips.
@Micky_pearce3 жыл бұрын
Great idea, awesome watch! Subscribed!
@EdwinOlding3 жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks!
@sagegalley4350 Жыл бұрын
Hey man I know this is a older video but I really can't figure out exactly if I need to upgrade my x160 controller or just upgrade to a x260 or surron battery to reach surron or x260 power.
@MrMjwaggoner2 жыл бұрын
On the Segway website and even the emoto bros acknowledge that the x160 is a smaller less powerful motor. I think it’s a 3000 vs 5000 difference.
@rafaelmoreno32432 жыл бұрын
Can you put the pedal kit on this model
@tomroethke3 жыл бұрын
Wow! I thought that I recognized your voice!!
@sylvesterpadmore67582 жыл бұрын
Big up coming from Barbados i want one boss
@Mcmerry1703 жыл бұрын
Do u think this build would be good for a 220 lb rider for commuting ?
@razaa34593 жыл бұрын
Depends on the length of the commute
@excitedtv2 жыл бұрын
Is the motor actually the same? All the specs online suggest that Max Motor Power is 3KW, 5KW, and 6KW for the X160, X260, and Sur Ron X respectively
@Megashovelman3 жыл бұрын
It sounds like a whistling cartoon-like character, but works 👍.
@pterodox1233 жыл бұрын
So crunchy! 10:19
@hiradmobayyen93092 жыл бұрын
would you still get surron range if you put a surron battery in the x160 or do you have to have the surron controller in the bike aswell?
@scum-scum3 жыл бұрын
Awesome build idea. As an aside, is the X160 the same as the Sur Ron Light Bee S that's listed on their website? The Segways don't seem to be available to purchase in Canada. The SurRon S is out of stock, but at least it appears on the website... =/
@KILLAHUNT1 Жыл бұрын
Im looking this x160 bike up on their website and it’s sold out and priced at 4500 not 3000 anymore 😢
@joestillwell82873 жыл бұрын
Hey Edwin... I just realized that I cut the green wire with the black stripe between the controller and the plastic harness. Unfortunately, this made the top speed even slower (only 21 mph). But after reviewing this video again, I think that you cut the same color wire after the plastic harness, which leads to the battery. I reconnected my mistake but I am afraid to cut the wire again before confirming with you. Could you clarify where to cut the green wire with black stripe? I would greatly appreciate it! I subscribed and click the like button
@stevenburton23023 жыл бұрын
Inspiring to think that can be done.
@Statesguard3 жыл бұрын
Does the Eco/Sport switch still work when upgrading to the Sur Ron X stock controller? Very informative and fun video to watch! Can’t wait for the next on the series as I’m looking to upgrade my x160 just like this. Cheers!
@JesseFishing12 жыл бұрын
i have the same question!!!
@_donjose Жыл бұрын
it does still work I just swapped/upgraded my x160 with the controller x and a 60v battery
@Taboloncawonthemasters11 ай бұрын
First up, on the chop block, new whip, no drop top Dirt bike fuhh cop cop, it go zip zip no brawwpp brawwpp
@mauriciocrespo84363 жыл бұрын
Hello, I'd like to know the diference of the segway 160 and sur ron motor?
@tristanhipps6043 жыл бұрын
the expression Time is money must factor in. also with ever part comes some sort of risk on condition. in my view unless its half the cost i dont think its worth the potential anxiety
@doctadrey30003 жыл бұрын
the x260 (although oos) is the same as the Sur Ron
@frankenstein31632 жыл бұрын
True.
@myphonemines41713 күн бұрын
Currently bought an x160 installed x Controller battery and motor but can’t go over 37mph. And wire was cut. Any solutions. Thanks for your videos
@winsoftheday36483 жыл бұрын
depends if you can find the frame. im still looking for the frame to buy.
@builtforspeed52742 жыл бұрын
Wait isn't the motor for the 160 and the 260 different?
@MrMjwaggoner2 жыл бұрын
Yes. X160, x260, and X are all different motors. I think 3000, 5000, & 8000
@fluorescentblack43363 жыл бұрын
You're really going for it man well done!
@Turbski1IRLАй бұрын
What did the range and speed gain??
@sirjhonson82183 жыл бұрын
I also ride 103 ci Harley Davidson`s .
@scottbradshaw67672 жыл бұрын
That's wild!!
@wasquea27103 жыл бұрын
Curious about the motor video. Id love a blue sur ron but obviously Luna doesn’t order them anymore. So I figured upgrading a Segway with better forks battery, controller, ext. would be my best option for getting blue. But I don’t wanna spend all that money if the motor isn’t the same.
@EdwinOlding3 жыл бұрын
I’ve done a little research and it looks like the motor is different but not necessarily better or worse I do a whole video on it in the future once I figure out what’s going on
@sirjhonson82183 жыл бұрын
Cr 500 Honda is the only thing I can ride on the trails .
@painmad3 жыл бұрын
Segway site says X160 is 3w and X260 is 5w, so there's a difference here, or is it not? I am very interested in doing what you do... get x160 and upgrade but my problem is... is the motor exactly the same?
@Gabriel-wh3sr Жыл бұрын
correction the x160 is never in stock
@jaymugridge18103 жыл бұрын
Great for a younger or smaller rider . Is it practical to carry a spare battery in some type of padded pack ? Just a thought. Great show .
@briandhoward61372 жыл бұрын
I use to carry a second battery in a backpack. Wasn't horrible.
@Ameritude3 жыл бұрын
Definitely watching this one
@davidsin61952 жыл бұрын
what's max speed before/after cutting the green wire? you need motor upgrade to harness the gains...the sur ron x motor is stronger than the 160 motor. controller is not the motor.
@PanuterNut3 жыл бұрын
You've got the gears in my head turning man but I gotta know, what is the top speed of your Sur Ron with the 72V modifications you made?
@nazaine17643 жыл бұрын
Yeah i wanna know that too and the estimate range
@Michael-yq1em3 жыл бұрын
@@nazaine1764 same
@theilest33 Жыл бұрын
Damn the Segway 160 is 4,500 now
@emilianocatano2700 Жыл бұрын
its kinda sad bcs they increased the price of the segway x160, same cost as a surron now pretty much, maybe like 1k less, checked at a local shop though, wayyy cheaper
@vaseto19873 жыл бұрын
Whats the milage on this beast do you thing i can use it for delivery in the city
@mxwizzard3 жыл бұрын
Great video Edwin
@elimoeller9154 Жыл бұрын
Did the display work? I did this and my speed didn’t change from zero.
@Jackleonardbirt Жыл бұрын
Just put a surron X controller and surron 60V battery on my Segway x160 and it tops out at 25MPH has anyone had this happen?
@EdwinOlding Жыл бұрын
Did you cut the green wire?
@dominickesposito21823 жыл бұрын
Hi Edwin listen thanks a lot for getting back with me on the question that I had earlier I've got another question on that stock x160 harness coming out of the neck going into the new controller you had mentioned that you cut the green wire with the black stripe is that correct just wanted to make sure before I start doing any cutting thanks so much for your time
@andrewhowell65843 жыл бұрын
Really interested to see it’ll work out cheaper with all the upgrades and stock parts sold , how much is the battery and controller upgrade ?
@KeithAVass3 жыл бұрын
Your link to Amazon shows the Segway X160 as unavailable (to Australian buyers anyway) and only a 240w motor-surely the Sur Ron motor is 6000w???
@dominickesposito21823 жыл бұрын
Edwin help..lol hey bro just trying to get ahold of you to find out when you cut that green and black wire coming out of your stock harness going into the new controller and that was the correct one?? So its the green and black wire coming out of your stock harness going into the new controller..lol sorry to bug you bro but just want to make sure before I hook up my new controller
@Bob_Adkins3 жыл бұрын
Too quiet. Can you put a playing card in the spokes?