Can Muslims Resist Modernity? with Hasan Spiker

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

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[@Mona-sw2jx]

@brown_rare_diamond oh OK so the only objective viewpoint is yours? Typical "modern" arrogance and superiority complex! The nerve of you to state that Muslims don't think. You do know we can also examine things from the viewpoint of other belief systems of which none are objective all are subjective but believing in the authority and authenticity of the Quran does not create a concrete barrier in the mind whereby you cannot imagine a secular or otherwise viewpoint 🙄 have you even watched the video? Or you just had to drop your snooty comment in quickly irrespective of what the speakers are actually talking about.

[@hurataimad-s3q]

@@Natuaralised_Can_Fin Guess all them scientists in Islamic history were a fluke. Guess the dependence on their science is just fanciful thinking. The notion that European enlightenment doesn't stand on their shoulders. Guess all them people never thought, didn't do much thinking or is it your claim that they had nothing to do with Quran. Quran had no influence on them or their lives. Or could it possible be the case that such a book which consistently asks, demands you to ponder, think, observe, influenced these early scientists which many sciences are actually named after, to THINK. Reality isn't your friend.

[@hurataimad-s3q]

@@Natuaralised_Can_Fin source for 300 million people massacred by Islamists, please!!!!

[@sherifayantayo2873]

Assalamu alaykum, can you link the book being discussed in the podcast with sheikh Hasan.

[@hurataimad-s3q]

@@Natuaralised_Can_Fin Yeah I said a source, not a physic professor. If I want legal advice, I don't go to a doctor. If I want medical advice, I don't got to a lawyer. You would have been better off with 'Trust me bro' argument. Now you have convinced me, that not only are you biased but losing it a bit.

[@BloggingTheology]

Amazing podcast!

[@lorainebaird]

The Thinking Muslim and Blogging Theology are two of my faves ❤

[@momonasri8611]

⁠@@Natuaralised_Can_Fin I don’t mean to be rude, but I think you’re using the word “subjective” incorrectly. For a Muslim, when they shape their beliefs and opinions from the Quran, which they regard as the word of God, it’s not merely subjective. Their beliefs are founded on something that transcends personal opinion that’s called “objective”.

[@alib7489]

The two best Muslim podcasts on planet Earth! BT and TM❤

[@siavashmashoof]

@@Natuaralised_Can_Fin with respect, we have alot of different opinions within the tradition. But as long as it is founded upon what we consider as objective truth- the Quran and the teachings of the prophet peace be upon him- then yes, it is rightfully eulogised and respected

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

Jazakallah Paul!

[@AA6236]

I was hesitant to watch this because i am not someone who understands philosophical terminologies or concepts. But i pushed myself to watch this to learn. And i am pleasantly suprised how much my mind could actually understand everything. This was very insightful and also very informative. Opened a new dimension in my brain. JazakAllah khair for this. Please never stop doing what you are doing. We all should be thinking muslims.

[@BRICKERFORGE]

I've benefited greatly from Brother Hasan Spiker's insights on Blogging Theology; I'm glad to see him here!

[@ShehuStebe]

Oh my god, Mr. Jalal you have no idea how important this is. I'm in a Master's program and my research project is based on the non-neutral position of Modern Science and the need for an Islamic alternative in clinical interventions. Bringing on Shaykh Hasan and him explaining something so so complex and I didn't know in which way I specifically wanted to tackle in literally 5 minutes really helped. Jazakum Allah Khair!

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

Wa Iyak

[@Rickmcjeeves]

17 mins in and wow - one of the best episodes yet! Hasan is a gift!

[@Illudiumqsm]

@thethinkingmuslim is wayyyy better than a Ted talk ! May Allah continue to bless this podcast and its cast.

[@TommyTumma]

Well yeah, TED talks suck! Just globalists spreading bad ideas on TED

[@deepsareen1]

Yes but it is apropos this episode (so different from most of the religious and political bigotry that gets discussed here)

[@khalimatousamirah9848]

Aameen ❤

[@CineRanter]

Another intellectually nourishing discussion

[@samimaaroufi4841]

This was one of the most insighful discussion about islam and modernity online. This is what the Umnah needs. May Allah bless you

[@Zizoosworld]

Finally, a lecture that actually tickle the intellectual senses. Keep it up!

[@zak992]

Had to put my thinking head on for this one, mashallah a thought provoking podcast

[@qoobsmcdoobs1]

We badly need great intellectuals and historians like Brother Hasan Spiker to produce fresh history curriculums for the ummah. History is one of those dismissed subjects for many. But it is the key to the rise and fall of nations/empires. Look at the way Americans teach their history. It is not just regurgitating facts and dates. It is engaging students to critically analyze their own historical figures and events. Muslim nations need to develop more engaging and meaningful history curricula that will awaken the the gheerah for establishing deen and Islamic spirit of struggle against evil. There is alot of excellent academic level material available on Islamic history and the reasons for our subjugation via colonialsm, but hardly anything for the elementary, middle school or high school student.

[@deepsareen1]

I am amused as to why you only need Islamic POV and not the actual varied POVs of all shades

[@salmaz315]

History and literature in my opinion. Totally agree.

[@AdnanDimassi]

@@deepsareen1 Because we Muslims and Islam ARE NOT Liberals/Communists and Communism respectively

[@ubergeopole]

@@deepsareen1 Because there is enough on the other povs and almost none on the Islamic pov outside of academia.

[@GERMANFORCE]

❤salam alikum brother jalal please invite a german muslim on your podcast we really need international coverage as the german media and politics are harshly silencing our pro palestine voices🙏

[@trumpius_maximus47]

Germans love ethnic cleansing. 🤷

[@amuthi1]

Germans don't like terrorists. And Germans like to rip apart the textual base of monotheist religions. Islam ist next.

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

Inshallah we have an interview planned soon on this matter

[@saniazehra6017]

​@@TheThinkingMuslimWhat is your email id? I need to reach out to report something!

[@khalimatousamirah9848]

That's such a good idea. Can't wait to hear more about this

[@imadmajdoubi9582]

I really enjoy The Thinking Muslim podcasts, thank you brother Muhammad Jalal

[@s-a6202]

Dr. Hasan is exceptional

[@a4482921]

Always a pleasure to hear from Shaykh Spiker, great food for thought

[@RangeGleasry]

You know the man is brilliant when you can see him shut his eyes and browse his mind palace as he answers complex questions with answers that though also complex can be understood by anyone. Mashallah

[@saqibsafdar7907]

@29 min - I would politely add to the discussion on Imam al Ghazali - we should remember, he is often known as hujat-ul-Islam - proof of Islam - far from downplaying the shariah, he expounds on the depth of the shariah in his revival; one only needs to read his Bidaya tul Hidaya. Not only does absence of the spirit lead to 'wordly religion', as Sh Hasan points out, but potentially religious idolatory - in that one has relativised the Absolute, which is precisely what modernity advocates. Other forms of 'modernity' are arguably the literalist movements in Islam which have divorced themselves from Tradition (not tradition) and claim to follow the Qur'an and sunnah directly, as though no body knew that before them. Imam al Ghazali refers to scholars who failed to incorportae the practice of taswauf in their Islam as formalists 'mutarasimun' - people shakled by the trappings of Islam, which thus prevents them from undertaking the necessary journey to the core of faith and from realising themselves its truths (Sh Hamza Yusuf). The great muslim thinker, Allama Iqbal, also regards it as religious idolatory. عشق نہ ہو تو شرع و دیں بت کدہ تصورات / عقل و دل و نگاہ کا مُرشدِ اوّلیں ہے عشق , 'Love is the perceptor of the intellect, the Heart and the vision, If there is no love, religion and its precepts are nothing but an idol-house of vain imaginings. In many ways, one can ask when discussing what it means to be a thinking muslim, to what extent does religious conditioning inform one's thinking and hence modernity; Imam al Ghazali ra suggests one will always be trapped by religious conditioning (taqleed), be it in a modern manifestation in which Tradition has been veiled by tradition, unless one journey's through to tahqeeq (realisation of the Truth; not as concept by Reality). The greatest indepth critiques of modernism have, in my humble view, been by the Traditionalists. It would be interesting to get pose the questions in this podcast to Sh Dr Seyyed Hossein Nasr. Maybe the whole discussion can infact be best seen in the lectures of Shakespeare and Islam (available on youtube) in which Sh Hamza Yusuf and Dr Lings (Abu Bakr Siraj Uddin) shared the stage the Shakespeare globe theatre. As Lings shows us, pre-modern reading of Shakespeare, as Dante suggests, can be at multiple levels - literal, the allegorical, the moral, and the anagogical because the Intellectus isnt veiled. A modern reading of Shakespeare has taken the same sort of reductionist view as Imam al Ghazali critiques fuqaha of his time did with religion, reducing it to fiqh and losing sight of the purgatory pilgrim's journey to tahqeeq.

[@Filming-and-Stuff]

This was absolutely brilliant! May God preserve Sh. Hasan Spiker.

[@Filming-and-Stuff]

@ I think you may have mental health problems. Please elaborate in simple terms and be conscious of your own cognitive biases.

[@purekhizi]

@@Natuaralised_Can_Fin u are a moron

[@salmaz315]

It's like listening to many of the ideas I grew up with ( in Arabic from my scholar father) but in English. I really enjoyed this.

[@robertb.seddon1687]

Definitely bring Hasan Spiker...riveting discussion!

[@alib7489]

It is always a pleasure to listen to this man's high-level intellectual discourse. Jazakallah Khair

[@tahsintahsinuzzaman781]

44:42 - Why liberalism is anatopistic, you can't import liberalism in other parts of the world Religion became au subjective, individual, private affair. Liberalism gave neutral framework that tolerated various denominations of Christianity. It wasn't committed to tolerating all ideologies like Islam. As Islam is an alternative to liberalism, liberalism cannot tolerate that which undermines the principles of liberalism.

[@ummshams8954]

Outstanding episode. Ma sha Allāh. Thank you for the expansive analysis on the telos of western modernity through its philosophical & historical contexts.

[@EiChing123]

1:40:29 - In the Muslim worldview, there is no split between the following pairs: -Law & Spirit -Temporal Power & Sacred Power -Faith & Reason -Knowing subject & Nature -Morality & Ontology 1:50:07 & 1:50:56

[@nusrateibrahim5806]

Thank-you and May God reward you well. It is intellectually stimulating listen to Prof. Hassan Spiker. Gradually we are bringing to surface individuals that can help us be a force of good for this world, which is in desperate need of Light and healing. Praise be to God.

[@dinarkania7274]

Well done Brother Jalal for inviting Syaikh Hasan Spiker...Barakallah fiikum

[@alchemistbrotv1707]

Always love thinking Muslim thanks for rediscovering our intellectual heritage

[@abdullahquick2925]

🇵🇸'Corruption has appeared throughout the land and sea by [reason of] what the hands of people have earned so that He may let them taste part of the consequence of what they have done that perhaps they will return to righteousness.' (Quran 30:41) 🇵🇸 And let there be among you a people inviting to the good and advising righteousness, and forbidding from the wrong. And those - they're the successful ones. (Quran 3:104) - (note) only 5 minutes or so into the conversation and I absolutely love it already. This has been on my mind and in conversations I've been having over the past week, even as recently as yesterday. I'm glad to see collective conscious reaching a pivot point. I look forward to generational collaboration with all of you incredible thinkers. There is much work to be done and plenty of stations to occupy in the process

[@deepsareen1]

Modernity can not be understood (least of all attained) using Surahs, hadiths, shlokas, mantras, verses or such archaic stuff.

[@raffatperveen3150]

Brother in lslam jazzak ALLAHU Khairain Khathera for introducing the Intellectual perspective of lslam by bringing Muslim intectuals to the program and giving a broader perspective and same time comparison between the modern world and lslam Alhamdulilahi Rabbul Alameen brother in lslam

[@mohid986]

Indebted to this episode for multiple reasons!! Please bring Br Hasan back, if these areas can be considered for further exploration.. 1. How exactly does metaphysics supervise hard science, how did Islamic innovations manifest this 2. Why was the early modernist scholarship so motivated to exclude metaphysical elements and only focus on empirical approach? 3. Where do we start to counter modernity from an Islamic vantage point, is it fair to say that the starting point should be an intellectual challenge and produce a parallel literature that can be used to deploy in practice?

[@khalimatousamirah9848]

SubhanAllah Jalal, this is such a wonderful podcast. Thank you Hasan for putting words and references to what we are all feeling but were not sure about.

[@AS-bm5xv]

A lot to learn, a lot to unpack, could be a long and detailed lecture series with references and sources etc May Allah make these efforts a means for the revival of the ummah

[@soph66661]

Thix podcast should be listened by every sane headed person on this earth who believe in nature n logical knowledge …. Best effort by both gentlemen ❤❤

[@YASM05-i1m]

One of the most intellectual discussions I've watched on this podcast. Keep up the good work 👍

[@FreePalestine1love]

I love this channel. May Allah bless everyone that is involved.

[@andrewgoldman9019]

Great interview.

[@MAli-iu6ci]

Asalamualykum brother Jalal, thanks for inviting Hasan Spiker, who has combind the modern philosophies and pointed out the flaws in them. My highlight is "Muslims mistook matial victory for an Intellectual victory". Alot of ideas shared by brother Hassan reminded me of recent superior psychology event which I attended by Sahil Adeem. He is a psychologist who has started a movement in Pakistan. He is currently in Uk, Could you please invite him to your show.

[@jamilmahmud6972]

Subhan'Allah, amazing podcast on such an important topic for everyone living in the West, deconstructing modernity and how our Muslim precedessors, who unfortunately but understandably, fell victim to it, and in the separating the sacred and temporal which gave our beautiful tradition a richness and peace missing our current lives. May Allah give us all Rida, so we may keep planting our trees, no matter how dire the situation becomes.

[@alchemistbrotv1707]

Also I love this podcast , at the same time I recommend the host to ask more broad and motivational interviewing style questions; many questions felt leading I understand the need to maintain a salience of the topic at hand but too much leading questions feels ungenuine

[@aaronthepyropiper]

Only 25 minutes in but one of most interesting things i've watched in awhile

[@clarejones2421]

What an absolutely amazing episode brother Jzk 🤲🏼

[@ibrahimomar6562]

An intellectual tour de force. May Allah reward both of you immensely.

[@aichab93]

This is a vrry very interesting episode! I advise everyone to listen to it !!!

[@cardejah]

Brilliant episode!

[@ovasrasool4025]

Amazing podcast. Really an eye opener.

[@charlestunstall8742]

Excellent, informative, inspiring, and hopeful. Humdillilah

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

Alhamdullilah

[@ImranRaja-gg5xi]

Had to buy his book, absolute brilliant work mash allah, excellent podcast

[@greatestone4eva]

Brother we live in post modernity already. Many of us know and seek that which is beyond this, as Muslims. Nonetheless I would have appreciated this in my younger freshman year of college when I was less educated and hadn't made these steps in my journey yet. So i hope the rest of your audience iA catches up. Juma Mubarak & Salaams.

[@JoBlogz]

So 1. what do you seek that is beyond this? and 2. what have you found?

[@purekhizi]

You don't seem to have understood the podcast. Postmodernity is contained in modernity, as Hasan Spiker always says

[@JoBlogz]

@@purekhizi how so?

[@davepitrowski3943]

He's back!!

[@funda313]

Mashallah. Brilliant talk ya akhi. May Allah bless you in here and after. I had heard critique of modernity from Daniel Haqiqatchue of muslim skeptic KZbin channel. Your background of some key modenr concept is very interesting. جزاک اللہ خیرا

[@ayserapau]

On the question of relations between the Ottoman ulema and the nationalist reformers, I recommend Amit Bein's through study: "Ottoman Ulema, Turkish Republic: Agents of Change and Guardians of Tradition (Stanford University Press, 2011).

[@saburabdul-salaam2418]

JAZAK ALLAHU KHAIRAN. SO MUCH FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

[@asmaechahboun7444]

Salamu alaikum wa rahmatullah brother, where can I buy this book of brother Hasan Spiker?

[@s-a6202]

exceptional tabarakAllah

[@aag5919]

Finally got round to listening attentively to the entire conversation. SubhanAllah. What a gift from Allah to us is Shaykh Hasan. Alhamdulillah wa shukrillah, Allah bless and protect him and increase the goodness to him and from him.

[@annebomba]

Where can I buy his upcoming book?

[@ferozashraf8592]

Amazing Alhamdulillah, can't seem to find the book available to buy anywhere?

[@intansharuddin1749]

Among the longest, but enlightening as always. As the events of the past unfolds much later, it compels one to think how much of what we know now is the truth. Wallahu a'lam

[@Reewnat]

Where can Shaykh Spiker's book be purchased?

[@muhamedaziz2280]

Amazing episode🌹

[@zohayerhossain55555]

An international extremist hindutva organization known as ISCON today slaughtered Advocate Saiful Islam in Chittagong, Bangladesh by decapitation.

[@XYZ-w1x2v]

So very informative, Jzk!!

[@s3youtubevids156]

One of the best discussions I've seen on KZbin

[@podvac3437]

What an amazing breakdown of a complex topic SubhanAllah

[@mop6279]

All my life, I've been told that modernity and Islam will always clash, that one is antithetical to the other, that there'll always be schisms, that one will have to give way for the other to take root. This has been done consistently by the scholarly class and the orientalists. Then right at the end we have Sheikh Spiker laying it out for those willing to take this gem - "Modernity can be saved, and it can be saved by Islam" that to me turned that belief of incompatibility right on its head. SubhanAllah. What a profoundly optimistic way to conclude an insightful conversation, which will challenge both Islamic tradionalists and Western thinkers to come to the table to gratuitously offer and accept, in equal measure, the solution that the world is so desperately in need of. If the purpose of this podcast is to educate, enlighten and enrich its listeners, then The Thinking Muslim Podcast is serving its purpose. Allahumma Barik

[@zeyad45]

Shaykh Hasan Spiker is blessed! Allah protect him and preserve him for us, may we be guided on haqq

[@cssc939]

Insightful and enlightening discussion.

[@mash0000]

Brilliant and beautiful. Thank you 😊👍🏽

[@loretoecheverria926]

Interesting. Modernity is collapsing. But also the radical type of Islamism may collapse because all human societies must adjust to changing circumstances. The ecological disturbances and its economic consecuences will demand many changes.

[@abdullahahmad9300]

Where is Hasan Spiker originally from?

[@aal-e-ahmadhussain3123]

He’s English. His English parents converted to Islam and he himself was born a Muslim. They pursued sacred learning and Shaykh Hasan was initiated into the Islamic intellectual tradition from childhood. He has a strong grasp of all traditional uloom and has ijaazah in madrassah disciplines.

[@andrewgoldman9019]

Great interview.

[@fariquainshah2938]

Would love to see Syed Ali Hur on your channel a great philosopher

[@fariquainshah2938]

Excellent discussion and introduction to Islamic philosophy and ethical principles but we need to make it more holistic !

[@Connectingdots100]

Thank you for this, it was very deep and helped explain some of the brazen contractions and hypocrisy of modernity and liberalism. To me key conclusions are we have to plant seeds, build communities, and do our best as part of our worship of Allah.

[@RagibHasan-xl7rc]

Which book are you talking about which Sheikhul Islam wrote in 3 volumes @15:24 Please thinking Muslim Comment the book that Hassan is talking about

[@margaretappleton3437]

Mustafa Sabri, Mawqif al Aql

[@alisaisovic204]

@@margaretappleton3437 Thanks for the title. I can’t find English translation of the book. Anyone had better luck?

[@mash0000]

Blogging Theology channel has a session on Mustafa Sabri. That interview discusses in some depth about Mustafa Sabri's ideas and Books.

[@alisaisovic204]

@@mash0000 thank you!

[@KhalidofEngland]

Ma shaa Allah.serious knowledge and dot connecting

[@kjw6383]

He talks about Issa saying" render unto ceasar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's, as being a permission to compartmentalize ones thoughts reasoning life temporal matters as food water shelter land. But what if Issa was simply making an argument point and not laying down law? Issa was constantly being challenged and argued with. Also interesting that European history shows the macro and micro levels separation of church and state as it developed over time and the resultant compartmentalization of our minds and lives.

[@Pkfirst786]

What book is being referred to?

[@Rongeez03]

As salaam Alaikum. What are the org’s he mentioned? Alkaba?

[@mothompson3437]

The law still applies to one extent In christianity- the ten commandments..when the young man asked where he was going wrong Jesus said if you are obeying the commandments and still not sure then all i can suggest is that you leave everything In your life and follow me

[@ibrahimmohammedibrahim9273]

Now we are living in post modernity era

[@Raks78]

Very good , intellectual discussion. I don’t think the removal of metaphysics from nature is irrational. I think it was fine on purpose and hidden / forgotten on purpose

[@richardvanheeswyk7142]

Great episode. I’ve just been reading ‘the presence of Islam in Andalusia’. The first half of the book is actually about the Christian history in Europe leading up to the arrival of Islam. The author is making the point that there was basically an ongoing battle between Unitarian Christianity (Christianity as taught by the prophet Isa (as) and the Pauline trinitarian version. It is fascinating. The tinitarian catholic version succeeds and hence we have all the problems people now find with Christianity- because it is a corruption

[@julinaonYT]

@ 29:25 here, Al Ghazali sounds analogous to a modern person who "doesn't like indie (spiritual) to go commercial (worldy)," i.e., he wants the knowledge to remain authentic and well rooted, not become part of a system simply for the sake of the system itself.

[@deepsareen1]

The reality is quit the opposite; he stopped the Modernity and brought on dark ages of Islam

[@munsif-rd7dd]

Hassans take on modernity echoes the views and opinions of the late Naquin al Attas (r.a)..

[@margaretappleton3437]

He's still alive mate

[@fatimah9202]

Jazaa kAllahu khairah fid daarain

[@yasirmalik11]

The most important episode of this podcast yet.

[@sajidervish]

Book published ?

[@fatimah9202]

Jazaa kAllahu khairan khatheeran fid daarain

[@ta7342]

Great podcast.

[@toomin2316]

I'd like to hear Hasan Spiker's take on capitalism and economic systems

[@musakamara545]

What a great podcast

[@abdullahquick2925]

🇵🇸'Corruption has appeared throughout the land and sea by [reason of] what the hands of people have earned so that He may let them taste part of the consequence of what they have done that perhaps they will return to righteousness.' (Quran 30:41) 🇵🇸 And let there be among you a people inviting to the good and advising righteousness, and forbidding from the wrong. And those - they're the successful ones. (Quran 3:104)

[@BoredRanter-oy9gg]

People should show this to the secularists and Marxists amongst the students of Pakistan's LUMs.

[@Richard77Mecca]

05:10 "Modern philosophy"... but isn´t it just different word/label for the Enlightenment? Deism, no respect for authority, human as a center of the world and the law of all things; that the Enlightenment and the Postmodernism is just next level of it. That´s it. Our debates might be more confusing if we (Muslims) only bring another terms for a phenomenon which name was already given... Daniel Bell or Nikolay Berdajev criticize Marxism and the rational thinking very well and Muslims probably agree with them in the general terms.

[@purekhizi]

No, modern philosophy starts with Descartes, the Enlightenment takes place in the 18th century.

[@Richard77Mecca]

@@purekhizi ok, I´d add F. Bacon as well but that´s more reason to use term Rationalism or the Enlightenment. Because using a new term Muslims basically apply the Western thinking which is deconstruction of the history, phenomenon by these terms. Islamic thinking does very opposite: putting details in the context; and that´s why Islam persists till nowadays as only religion not just "culture" as it is in Europe.

[@sajid279]

Hasan Spiker should read Bernardo Kashtrup..All questions that can be asked re answered

[@mohamedyusuf5569]

MashAllah 😊

[@AhmetCinar35]

I saw the title and said "what is Hasan Piker doing here" but then I saw his surname is Spiker and it made more sense now

[@suaadsultan]

please have him back!! please!!