Can Nissa Make $77 of Janky Elves Win in Standard? | Budget Magic: the Gathering (MTG)

[@Duquette33]

The decklist is pretty important in the second game I guess 😂

[@SeanGomesPortfolio]

It feels like sitting behind a tall person at a concert.

[@colinfowler3021]

DOWN IN FRONT!

[@TMidander]

Its a new Arena Avatar

[@JimPea]

Got to flood the board somehow!

[@blueheartorangeheart3768]

He’s just crowdsurfing the list

[@theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet]

The fact that when the Nissa goes off, Atraxa is nowhere near enough to keep your opponent alive? That's a wonderful thing to see.

[@derrickthewhite1]

Its amazing how often this deck WANTS the opponent to play Atraxa, because it means tapping out and leaving an opening for the kill.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Nissa>>>>Atraxa

[@TruthlessHero]

If I never hear the words "Let's oil up our elf again", it will be too soon. 😂😂😂

[@zotha]

Don't kink shame Seth

[@boombox2112]

🧴🧝

[@TruthlessHero]

No shame, I just wasn't ready.

[@alwaysplaythegame]

The second match was punt city. Not blocking, not oiling the elf, not gaining life. So many ways to have won those.

[@steelWindAlchemist]

Agree. Does Seth know Cultivator can block?

[@ashcombrink4998]

Most of these games were lost in your heart before you lost to your opponent's cards.

[@jccusell]

20:12 Concede because.... ?

[@AdamistheDevil]

that's what I was wondering... especially if he'd taken the 2 life from gala > treasure

[@lucasbreton4143]

@@AdamistheDevil He definetly scooped too early

[@Zerothas]

Yeah I don't get that scoop. He can block 3 of the 2/2s without losing any creatures, takes less than 12 damage. Sure they get like 5 more untapped 2/2s but what's that going to do to a field of 9/9 tramplers? That was all sloppy..

[@kal54321]

Watching gameplay is so much better when you actually finish a match instead of scooping early.

[@Kydrou]

Game 2 was lost due to Seth rushing things and not thinking things over: In the first round, not blocking with the 1/2 meant he lost 3 life for no reason, and would've let him survive 2 more turns. And in the second round, when he was at 12, it was an easy block on 4 creatures, no trades, and Nissa backswing?

[@Hylianlink51047]

Yeah, I noticed that he rushed the second game as well. He didn't block with the Rustvine against the 1/1's, nor did he even tap it to get an oil counter

[@WildWildWes86]

I feel like almost every game where Seth was slightly behind, he scooped it up WAY too fast, I could easily see him slowing down, and prioritizing the long game and winning, instead of "No Nissa? Scoop it up"

[@whisperingsage89]

Could have also gained life instead of getting treasure, since he drew the land he needed for Nissa.

[@Netro1992]

Hindsight is 20/20 and I get the feeling this isn't the only deck he is trying out any given week, so the knowledge you could waste your time with a deck you will not be able to make a video for is probably hanging above his head more than playing at a top8 level.

[@Kydrou]

Yeah, but scooping too early leads to eschewed results. While it's likely game 2 was lost anyway, or at least gone to 3 matches; the fact that it had a chance at a comeback or fair matchup lets players know what hands to pick and which ones to mulligan, SPECIALLY if the deck is a budget build, as it teaches you what is the True Core of the deck: X power in creatures + Y lands = Z life. Life totals can be seen, but since we can't know the true value of X, you might make mistakes when deciding what to let go and what to replace.

[@kk_33]

Game two was an early scoop. You had enough blockers that could eat the tokens to only let 6 damage through. Even if opponent has a 2nd rabble rousing in hand, he could at best add 14 2/2 blockers, which is only 28 points of block, while Nissan overrun gets you to 53 trampling power.

[@sp1nandroll]

the deck is cool but the part with the decklist right in the middle of the screen was confusing af. I almost thought I triggered some twitch extension or something by accident.

[@Ocramman86]

Ugh so many misplays and early scoops in this video. This deck is way better than you think.

[@ehjdoom]

the deck list is stuck in the middle of the video during the second game.

[@Oceanz08]

There were some games that you prematurely conceded, like that game against Esper tokens in the final game, you weren't 100% dead

[@PaullyDM]

Was definitely winnable.

[@cesareo13]

He does that. A LOT. Instant channel changer for me when that happens.

[@MrNesgamefreak]

@@cesareo13it’s so painful to watch

[@The_BlvckSun]

If I end up playing against the same type of deck all day or 4-5 times in a row I usually scoop early just to get the match over with

[@dracish123456789]

you can always cast Nissa early to get rid of hive and other enchantments

[@randym5824]

Let's oil up our elf, not something I thought I'd hear today

[@BeaglzRok1]

As someone that's been brainstorming a janky Naya Elves Rocco EDH deck for casual play with friends, it's crazy how good elves can be, even on a budget.

[@12triproberts]

I think I would make the swap of Hydromancer for Iconoclast in the budget build. The blue sources are all red, as well, and It seems like the deck loses to having Nissa but missing a few points of damage more than failing to draw her. Getting in for an extra attack could matter, and while Hydromancer has the same body, if you think of that extra mana as a card with Visionary on the battlefield, I like the cost reduction over a kicker that never happens.

[@MineRoyale.]

I agree, I think that was a somewhat substantial oversight

[@blueplayer6197]

I kinda feel like this deck was really "In your face" as they say. Hoof, there it is.

[@dooropenization]

So if Craterhoof is “Hoof Daddy” does that make Nissa “Hoof Mommy?”

[@MineRoyale.]

vs RB with the two ob nixilis': if you had not played the land at the end there trying to see if you could play nissa, you could have discarded land + tyvar's stand to the ob nixilis', gone to 2 off the sheoldred trigger, and then played nissa to probably win the game

[@NMS127]

The opponent has lethal if they make a copy of their devil and attack with both, but they might not have seen the line.

[@petrsevcik5044]

I wonder if Awaken the Woods could be good with Nissa. The dryads are both forests to power up the ultimate and creatures to get pumped.

[@pointyheadYT]

How about using Defiler of Vigor instead of Hydromancer? 🤔 Could potentially ult Nissa at turn4 with it.

[@daktastik]

That's an awesome idea for an additional threat that works really well with the elves

[@pointyheadYT]

@@daktastik Yeah, Defiler by itself is a huge threat, you wouldn't need to rely on drawing just 4 Nissa's anymore. It also comboes well with her. Defiler into Nissa on the next turn works really well, since just her entering the battlefield triggers the Defiler and gives everything an additional +1/+1. Not to mention how huge the cost reducion of the Defiler is not just for Nissa, but for the 1 and 2 mana elves. You can basically play the 1 mana elves for free and trigger the Visionary and Gala Greeters much much easier and more frequently each turn.

[@mdixon3]

leaf crown visionary seems like it could enable some kind of pioneer combo elves, you'd just have to find a degenerate way to make a bunch of mana

[@daktastik]

Explorer has this. Tyvar + Circle of Dreams Druid, Nykthos, and all the 1 mana ramp elves. Finisher is Shaman of the Pack and Finale of Devastation

[@StabMasterArson111]

nykthos

[@danielsnyder6159]

Seth, between you and Legend, my decks almost always show up on KZbin a week or less after I build them 😂 I just made almost this exact deck just last week. I run awaken the woods for a little ramp and to up the forest count. I also tried a black splash just for Tyvar who works VERY well with cheap elves w/ mana abilities. Nissa is an awesome craterhoof…excited to see how well you do, I’ve had great results - I get a lot of “Nice!”s from opponents 😅

[@MTGGoldfish]

Awaken the Wodds seems super sweet with Nissa! Couldn't find room in the budget though :(

[@brianbiller513]

Not sure if it would’ve changed anything but in game two, couldn’t Nissa have blown up the Rabble Rousing?

[@LegoCowManZ]

Yup. And making life instead of a treasure would have helped survive a turn.

[@TwiztidHeir]

it could have, but I had another in hand.

[@danpearman270]

I'm really confused here - I'm just not seeing why that was 'guaranteed lethal' and needed conceding to. Next turn the tokens deck attacks with 6 tokens and maybe the Adversary - Loamspeaker can eat the adversary, and there are three other decent blockers that don't trade with the tokens, so letting 6 power through (while at 12 life). Sure, they gain another 6 or 7 tokens and flip the rabble rousing - if it's another adversary under there, that's lethal, but I'm not sure what else doubles the impact that turn. Then Nissa can come down, pump everything to 8s or better and attack for lethal. Clearly I'm missing something (and obviously, the tokens player could have things that change the maths, but that comes later) - what am I not seeing?

[@twb2837]

​@Dan Pearman I'm pretty sure Seth was locked into "Nissa is Craterhoof" and forgot she could destroy the rablerousing to buy the turn he needed.

[@Maugena]

@@danpearman270 Seth's got an early scoop problem. Whether or not it's a guarantee his morale is a problem despite his apparent happy go lucky nature.

[@mcfluffy52]

31:23 "Unfortunately green has not been the strongest color in the standard.." haha you don't say. If you look at the top 50 most played cards in standard only 1 of them is green and its Atraxa. Feels bad since I love to play the color.

[@SuperFlamingTomato]

The esper token deck seemed winnable? Like it obviously depends what they play next, really big chance to get blown out from the rabble rousing hideaway, but it honestly seemed winnable.

[@davidthompson6861]

I do love me some Elfball. I go the four color route in my build, but this is still pretty sweet!

[@petrie911]

Giving a control player a taste of his own medicine by countering four of his removal spells. Feels good man.

[@TheCubicalGuy]

I think Yavimaya Iconoclast would be better than hydromancer in this deck, but maybe that's just me.

[@mayorexcalibur1282]

I've been playing a really fun mono green nissa deck focused around her and awaken the woods! its practically a combo deck cuz if both resolve thats almost always lethal

[@GuyFromCanada]

Surprised that you didn’t toss in some Yavimaya coasts or the cheaper common tapped lands. Might’ve been worth having some blue splash for sideboard and the simic elves

[@SirBuhlington]

32:09 fable so busted we don't even get to hear the real commentary anymore, they edited out whatever Seth had to say lol

[@martinsanchez6864]

4:30 😂 let’s oil up our elf

[@skwerlz]

I've been playing an Awaken the Woods/Nissa deck in casual queue, so satisfying.

[@Savaniel]

LOOK AT THE DECKLIST

[@blueplayer6197]

MTGO's programmers just got a new 'bug' idea.

[@daktastik]

LOOK AT IT

[@ryanhebertson7457]

I would love a moderately competitive elf deck in standard

[@jjohansen86]

I do take exception to your comment that you'd never even seen the DMU kicker elves in Limited. I played a lot of five color green in that format and some Simic kicker (though the odds of that not turning into five color green were pretty low) and both of those were serviceable, possibly even good, in those decks. A two drop to keep you from getting run over that could dig for a payoff if you drew it late, and a three drop that also helped keep you from getting run over that made a copy of one of your big creatures when you drew it late? I liked having one of each of them in my ramp decks! Of course, that does still leave them as draft chaff, and "good enough for Limited" is hardly a Standard staple.

[@LadyMapi]

Now I kinda want to see an Elvish Hydromancer ATO. There HAS to be some format where paying 7 mana for a 3/2 + a clone is semi-reasonable...

[@drkiwi5884]

There is some games you could have kept playing. It wasn't lost at all, like at 20.16 However, nice deck list

[@johnf9710]

Game 2 of match 2, Seth had lethal with Nissa, but thought it wasn't enough due to tapped loamspeaker. The 3 attackers would have been 20 trample. Nissa math is like hoof math :-P

[@benpouy3345]

Do you think this would work in explorer with the better elves?

[@daktastik]

I'm skeptical because that deck doesn't need hardly any forests to go off and has access to Finale of Devastation as an overrun effect...no trample, but you're already probably wider than your opponent already

[@Crazymachin3gun]

Lol the deck list that's hilarious u might need to leave the deck list in the middle of the screen every vid I didn't even notice it for the first 10 min

[@SirBuhlington]

I interpreted it as the deck list represented the future elf ball that was on its way

[@mangoalias608]

29:58 i love Seth's witch cackle :D

[@klawkarver]

Little oops on the second game with the deck list in center screen

[@aaronjamison5150]

What top tear cards can be added to this deck, maybe silverback with all of the creatures?

[@dalexa]

Does Nissa also works with the Awakens the Woods tokens? I've never tried it but they are Forest Dryad land creatures...

[@noobtube2799]

4:32 "well, lets oil up our elf"

[@thomas-bx8wm]

I know your proud of the decklist seth but Im not sure it needs to be in the middle of the screen

[@MindstabThrull]

Don't forget that you can pay Phyrexian mana for one symbol and not the other. I think there was one game where you could pay 2 life and not 4 to cast her and bring you to 7 so you could survive the oncoming attack and have her in play to wreck your opponent's day.

[@marshall4439]

What is the point on Courtyard in a monocolored deck? Seems much worse than Forest with the emphasis on Nissa's forest-dependent ultimate. You've already got 12+ cards that make mana of any color, so why courtyard? I don't get it.

[@weloudtongs]

the disrespect on limited allstar vineshaper prodigy, I remember it being highly picked during the early days of draft lmao

[@coreysierchio4650]

Janky Mono green is how Seth sez: *Happy St Patrick's Day!*

[@AC3handle]

really wish the game would offer to let you put reminders on cards, cause he really needed to be reminded about the oil counter on elf. Also gala greeters can do other things besides make a treasure. I kinda wonder how this deck would work with more mind range cards, stuff in the 2-3 buck range.

[@tmarks2562]

Did Crim do the editing match 1 game 2? :P

[@xantous2229]

It's even greater in formats that have Yavimaya, Cradle of Vitality. Been insane in commander for us. Even if elves rotate any green stompy deck will want this.

[@markuskoivisto]

All of those formats also have Craterhoof.

[@testthewest123]

I think you have thrown the towel a bit to quick in some games you lost.

[@gemmapower]

I use this deck but I change a bit the concept, I remove all non basic lands and the kicker elves put fauna shaman and agur of autum,

[@Gattsu65]

Why did you scoop 20 mins in??? Couldn't you live through the attack and swing back for lethal??? as long as opp didn't have anything too crazy of course

[@jancukasu]

20:09 Seth why didn't you just cast Nissa and blow up that Rabble Rousing, then next turn you can cast the other Nissa and Craterhoof the opponent to death >_

[@solarsystemwulf96]

I feel like wotc making monocolored decks good is an amazing standard solution. That and the more playable commons and uncommons.

[@robertshannon5442]

Branch wood armor is in standard,isn’t it?

[@r4g1ngph03n1x]

20:00. Why are we conceding here? You can block without losing any creatures and stay at 4 life.

[@mistermega3522]

I have been running an artifact version of this deck for quite a while. Nissa wins a lot of games.

[@trickmcgilvery]

Played a similar deck list but with awaken then woods for more ramp

[@rainmaker709]

Nissa doesn't need them to be Elves. Maybe take out the Hyromaster and the like for other but better non-elf creatures? Losing the lord syn is probably worth it to play less jank.

[@discobiscuits4251]

Why not go for Naya elves and get acces too a couple more decent elves? That one two drop elf w haste and trample in you kick it with one red is dope. Fleetfoot dancer and jinnie fay are also a sweet elves which I’m sure you knew. Is it the mana that makes it not worth it?

[@jackl8025]

I don't think making the mana worse is worth either of those cards tbh

[@markuskoivisto]

Nissa gives +1 for each forest.

[@79awinkler]

It would be cool to see pioneer elf ball, followed by modern, then legacy

[@laelnoj]

Thanks Seth. I just Alpha-struck my opponent for 14 off of 2 lands. Cheers!

[@drewgregory4079]

What's stopping us from playing good green creatures and making this stompy/ramp with nissa on the top end rather than playing bad elves? I don't see any elf synergy on nissa at all.

[@Zerothas]

35:41 why play the land..? If you don't play it then you can discard Tyvar's and Forest to the two Obs, take two on your draw step, slam Nissa and win. If they don't have anything in hand to do damage to you they're dead there..

[@boobox2000]

17:25 OMG. you scooped again with Nissa in your hand. You missed Rustvine Cultivator activation you could have put out Nissa that turn with full loyalty and an 8/8 that would have likely stopped them.

[@kaladin_nightsong]

I’d be intrigued to see a non budget version of this

[@kiyan5340]

Needs "Awake the Woods"

[@Gattsu65]

at 35 mins in couldn't you not play the land, discard tyvars stand and land to mob nixilis, take 1 from the devil, chump sheoldred, untap. if you draw a forest nissa win??? idk if you could win without drawing a forest next turn tho

[@najoheuer]

I question playing Elvish Hydromancer over Yavimaya Iconoclast

[@Smutter86]

Decklist smack in the middle of the screen XD The Nissa wins are sweet, though!!

[@lordglitch4266]

How does he lose the game against rakdos? If he didnt play the forest he wouldve had two cards to pitch to Ob, couldve chumped if they swung, neither Ob could ult, and he only lost two to Sheoldred leaving him at 2 to Nissa? Like yeah he couldve died to a invoke despair or sth but i dont see any evidence they had another one ready 35:59

[@daleholasek2983]

Long time viewer and huge fan. But game two was really hard to watch Seth.

[@jamiekuryla3940]

Could you play the triomes to get the other colors, so they are forests and then get some 2 color elves?

[@natejablonski]

Probably wouldn't fit in Budget Magic, but if that isn't a concern, it sounds like a good idea. Adding some real removal is another upside

[@ThomTheTomatoe]

good vid your second match has the deck in the way oof

[@DoomSpellSkadi]

Nizza, Who end the game

[@TheHellasavagex]

Is there an "expensive" version of this deck?

[@jonburns5585]

It’s a shame lotr won’t bring any standard elves

[@JohnGolden]

so why the elves and not just the ramping green and efficient little guys?

[@enmanuelrondon9700]

Maybe to leverage the leaf crown visionary to find nissa consistently.

[@FrankDTank16]

Yeah, I think your all in approach lost you games because you were too greedy.

[@ZeroIsEven]

How bout that decklist!

[@moleahjobe]

What age am i living in when 60 small sheets of cereal box cost $77

[@Dsmky117]

can someone explain to a new player how secluded courtyard is better than a basic forest in this deck?

[@jackthebroken2084]

Lets you cast the two Dominaria United elves for their kicker cost.

[@Dsmky117]

@@jackthebroken2084 ah gotcha, they have abilities that cost blue, thanks

[@BobardeZanzibar]

No one let Crim see this video.

[@aelinstue9431]

Second game should have just casted the deck list and easy win.

[@Purple_Motion]

Stop conceding so early Seth!

[@domri4203]

Let's oil up our elf. 😉

[@quicksilverhero]

Am I the only one who skips his intro "saaaaaafron oooooolivvvvve" I just can't hear it anymore

[@PAWoodsworth]

Essentially 😂

[@uhf77]

Elves in standard?

[@wesmorris3529]

PLEASE don't take this as an insult but why the heck do you say Olive like that?

[@boobox2000]

11:55 You scoop way too fast. Arena mentality. Had you just Nissa ultimated that turn and swung, they would have to give up the whole board and might just have scooped themselves.

[@xtremistdude92]

Best tribe

[@boobox2000]

20:17 Holy fuck dude, play out your games.