Can The $38K SYIL X7 Machine a MIRROR Finish?

[@WickeD72]

I was thinking 40k was allot for that part, I didn't realize you meant the machine. 😂 That's an amazing price.

[@cylosgarage]

Add air bearings, and you can get better than 0.5μin Ra. I do this along with achieving 250nm profile tolerance. Also, you destroyed the tool when you probed it. You absolutely cannot use tactile probes with MCD tools.

[@Exandria]

Im very new to machining: why is that?

[@hendrikholz3997]

Hi @cylosgarage I'm a materials science PhD student working in the fields of micro mechanics. I'm super interested in what you are doing. We usually use focused ion beams to make small structures, like pillar, to test them. But that can alter the materials properties. Would it be possible for you to machine pillars of let's say 3 um diameter and 7 um height into a polished surface? Could be super interesting to my research community!

[@levelmatt2]

Is there a relatively inexpensive way to optically probe?

[@barrysetzer]

The touch setter is extremely sensitive and moves. It didnt destroy anything.

[@dogface7966]

But you can cut aluminum with it just don’t touch anything!

[@barrysetzer]

Beautiful finish! Most of the time when I see a finish like that, it was done on a $300,000+ mill with a 80,000 RPM spindle

[@viliusr6974]

When you have time, you can use any machine you have. It probably took a coouple of weeks running non stop to polish that on syl.

[@BedroomMachinist]

​@viliusr6974 clearly diddnt watch the video, it was probably a 10 minute cycle with a mcd tool 😂

[@tdg911]

Amazing finish. I had no clue these types of tools existed!

[@CATANOVA]

T Have used such tools. Normally they cater for extra wear resistance vs traditional carbide, for example when machining high silicone aluminium for extended periods. When it comes to surface finishing on the machine the prerequisites are: 1. Tool form and sharpness 2. Chip management so as to prevent fouling (coolant flushing) 3. Machine rigidity to cover off vibration 4. Machine accuracy when working at micron level step over and positioning between adjacent tracks.. 5. Top notch CAM programming because the step over would usually vary with Z height on the shape (ball mills tend to go linear tracking as the shape goes flat which can spread out the step over as measured on the part surface). Some of the best finishes I have seen on aluminium came by way of straight plain carbide that was highly polished (slippery for the chips) and diamond ground at the cutting edge for ultimate sharpness.

[@DGil504]

Nice video. I am getting a 7 to 10 RA on my Syil V5 all day long. They are great machines for the money!

[@KylieGranno]

Oh yeah!!! That finish is INSANE!

[@seancollins9745]

now looking at horn catalog for finishing tools for my cnc lathe work, awesome !!!!

[@timothycollette8263]

That Mitutoyo scared me! Did it scratch it? You guys need a Keyence Profilometer. Far superior. Great video tho! amazing finish!

[@fleshtonegolem]

That level of accuracy is mind boggling!

[@Sara-TOC]

Great video, Trevor! 🎉 I haven’t had the opportunity to with that type of tooling in my career. The surface finish is stunning!

[@shaniegust1225]

Wow! That’s insane. And beautiful finish sheesh!

[@billyboyce916]

Trevor is on a mill! Cool cutter and nice finish.

[@trevorgoforth8963]

Thanks dude!

[@parkcitymacs]

Nicely done! What is the retail cost of that bit and the actual size you used? I’m guessing $1800 to $2500?

[@AndrewCampbell-ut6jk]

Insane finish.

[@leonjbr]

Congratutalions. This job is absolutely fantastic.

[@clutch2315]

More syil vids for us who may get one!

[@levelmatt2]

Just got my x7 a couple weeks ago

[@trevorgoforth8963]

Congrats!

[@IceWolF963]

5:29 did the crystal chip or is it the lighting ? the finnish is excellent

[@89bazoly]

Yes, it did. A commenter in another comment said why

[@solotekle2999]

A thumbs up for the Ra value screenshot.

[@PrtclWav]

Love watching your guys videos, always baller.

[@Randomactivities2.0]

I got an old mill/drill press and a metal lathe with a 17in turning capability that needs restoring if ya wanna do a trade. Lol. I've never milled anything, but I've been slowly fixing up the small lathe for a hopefully fun hobby.

[@JohnBlaze505]

I wanna know the stepover. Looks amazing!

[@markdavis304]

Great finish! Very nice!

[@piratiniwood547]

Nice Trevor..... But what did you make, is that an actual product or something for mother's day already? But the finish is awesome 😊

[@benjaminshropshire2900]

IIRC natural diamonds might actually form very quickly (potently faster than lab grown). The commonly cited formation times assume the form under conditions like what is seen today, but an alternative theory suggests that they could form much more rapidly under exceptional but short lived conditions (like magma rapidly moving towards the surface of from deep underground). But even then most of the diamond wouldn't be usable for anything but abrasive, would take many years to cool to the point they could be mined at all and even then would be hard to get to.

[@maxwell_edison]

Can you send a link to the brass drum thing?

[@diegovianavillegas3297]

Of course you can, with an endmill that costs almost 3000 USD, mirror finish is the least you can ask.

[@raindeergames6104]

Dude I buy these MCD end mills on AliExpress for $40. Time to wake up.

[@packapunchburger]

​@@raindeergames6104lol

[@lubomiryakov8268]

@@raindeergames6104can you refer me to the shop you are buying from?

[@ianraybon]

$3000?? 🤔

[@Yamototamto]

How much time was that finishing path? 3 hours : O amazing

[@19_909KathanPrajapati]

It has blown me too, An absolute luminous and glowy Component

[@Budabaii]

I hope you took it out to dinner first.

[@19_909KathanPrajapati]

@Budabaii No, I won't do that really, but If it was Fictitious I would have adhered on to it like topping on the metal cake

[@TheIronClooch]

Maybe a dumb question, but does the thickness or weight of the coolant (from a tolerance standpoint) ever come into consideration when some of these components are machined?

[@parmi4469]

So Ra8 in inch means Ra 0,2 in metric. Thats kinda sick. But who needs like polished surfaces on non iron metals.

[@alexhuxley3907]

I work as a tool maker and we need high polish on some of our aluminium moulds, although we would polish it by hand not with a fancy diamond tool. However I'm pretty sure this is mostly used for optics manufacturing

[@fuzzyboi2187]

Optics The youtube channel "Breaking Taps" has a video of using one of these MCD tools to make a copper mirror for optics

[@klasjanzen1165]

In a job shop here that just went from hss to carbide a few years ago. Now I see this😢 let's just go home.

[@rossadams9410]

this is wild trevor

[@trevorgoforth8963]

Thanks dude! It was a fun video to make for sure!

[@1320pass]

Curious on the cycle time and step over compared to the carbide ball nose step over...

[@aftaev]

How long was the roughing? How long was the finishing?

[@xjyrki]

Yes.

[@Jzojzojzo]

That is beautiful

[@alf3071]

it's amazing to think something transparent could be so strong

[@hendrikholz3997]

Can you please visit an ultra high precision machining shop like NH Micro? Would be super interesting to see what they can do!

[@EVILBUNNY28]

Still waiting for the day they make CVD sheets large enough for phone screens

[@yogeshkumar7402]

Mirror finish is wonderful technique

[@terminalbyte7416]

How long did the mirror process take? Would have liked to see a timer in the machine to show how long the process took.

[@bradsimpson4899]

Trevor, what would you use on tool steel to achieve something similar? For example if you were making dies that need a mirror finish.

[@nomoslogos]

Does that machine have look-ahead? Is 55IPM about the limit for a contour like that?

[@kleindavid9416]

Yeah, with a cycle time like that I can hand polish it (its still cool)

[@mikebecker8141]

Interesting, very nice finish. What was the step over amount being used with that mill? Also how long was the cycle time?

[@dadobojanic]

0.002" stepover 2 hour finish

[@trainedtiger]

Can the controller integrate a renishaw probe and a 5 axis trunion?

[@vladimirmilutinovic8057]

Bravo !!!

[@12erplays39]

Damn! How long was the Run Time?

[@helicopterdriver]

Speeds, feeds and stepover would have been helpful as well. I can imagine it was a lot of hours just in the finishing pass.

[@trevorgoforth8963]

@@helicopterdriver 10K RPM, 55 IPM which comes out to .0055 IPR since it's a single flute tool, .002" stepover, 2 hour cycle time!

[@helicopterdriver]

@@trevorgoforth8963 Faster than I thought it would be. Thanks!

[@mattlarson9897]

I am curious what the step over was on that tool and the cycle time...

[@trevorgoforth8963]

.002" stepover, cycle time was 2 hours.

[@Packie318]

@@trevorgoforth8963 I mean a mirror finish speaks for itself, but I'm sure the carbide endmill would have looked a lot closer with the same stepover too. I would be more impressed and less skeptical if you had shown the same program ran with a similar carbide endmill rather than just showing the roughing pass with one. I think a side by side comparison would be the best way to show what a tool like this can do and if its truly necessary.

[@Chauvin-r9u]

​@@Packie318the reality is that carbide is much like cement hard rocks in a binder carbide cannot really get sharp like highspeed I know that it looks so cool all polished and feels sharp but if you were to see the edge under a microscope you would see the problem especially after using it. A highspeed end mill might come close but only for a few parts before the wear started to affect the finish. In honeing we used poly crystalin and mono lock diamonds to hone automotive cylinders the only problem in iron was torn and folded metal that gets dislodged during use. Going to a three stage honing head got you hundred thousand miles warranties on power trains. Laser honing was next where you have a polished bore with engineered oil retention groves burned in by laser it's totally ready to go but would add a few dollars to each block. When you make 4 million engines in a given program $2 is huge and until absolutely needed to cut oil consumption on hold.

[@pyroherzpyroherz5331]

Ra a little under 8 surprises me. Thought it would perform better.

[@eclipseslayer98]

I'd be willing to buy one of these machines and a diamond cutting bit for $12.49 and a ham sandwich. Might need some help with the shipping though.

[@William97864]

How expensive is a diamond mill like that, amazing finish was expected from that tooling

[@mariocastilloist]

Maybe you can get a better finish with a Rego-Fix PowrGrip holder easily

[@christopherleubner6633]

This is where the seconds grade CVD diamonds go. They use them for precision tooling bits. MCD grown by CVD is basically flawless so it can take unbelivable punishment. The diamonds must be rough cut with lasers then polished to the final shape needed. As long as carbon wont readily absorb in the metal the chips will fly 😂❤

[@dejanvanevski4399]

Good job

[@alexnoha]

Do you have a DMG MORI machine?

[@astropilot2053]

how long was one run for the part?

[@hedeisgone]

Hey bro what a name last 3d toolpath?

[@michaelmacdonough3313]

The surface finish was pretty cool, but could we see a 100-piece production order on the syil? And see the qwerks of the machine? In a serious material like titanium or hard steel?

[@MrRctintin]

@@michaelmacdonough3313 my mate only machines titanium on his X7, 6 days a week making bike parts. The quality is just as good as his Brother Speedio, but obviously a bit slower than the Speedio.

[@markwilliams5654]

Will it cut stone like granite

[@jml3327]

It's diamond. So....yes.😂

[@xTheZapper]

I'm pretty sure nature can create diamonds instantly, a carbon meteor strike for example could do it in the instant of impact. I'd be willing to bet it actually happens pretty quickly underground too, you just need high pressure and temperature, both of which are always present in the centre of the Earth, but takes ages for them to surface.

[@doc0302]

You should contact probe without rotating, it will probably be fine.

[@deaftodd]

Make a negative part and stack it to see if the seam line is gone.

[@somenygaard]

What was that part for? Looked pretty weird, but super shiny.

[@JamesChurchill3]

For KZbin.

[@somenygaard]

@@JamesChurchill3 Ah, makes sense

[@philhawtin5269]

Why no feeds and speeds?

[@pbwho8746]

What are the cutting parameters? And do you have a link to the tool?

[@trevorgoforth8963]

10K RPM, 55 IPM, .002" stepover. If you google Horn MCD tools you will find a brochure for all of their offerings, they have a ton for milling and turning.

[@pbwho8746]

@@trevorgoforth8963 Thank you so much! We are using a couple of their tools in our Lathe's. We also have some jobs that require a better surface finish in PMMA and Aluminum. I will contact them to see if this could benefit the proces!

[@trevorgoforth8963]

@@pbwho8746 I have a chart that provides recommended cutting data for a lot of different materials for this tool, I can send it to you if you want. We used it on PMMA and Aluminum and it worked great. There is a shot of the PMMA at 1:44. Reach out to me at [e-mail] and I can send you that chart!

[@shatter3373]

what are you cooling with?

[@trevorgoforth8963]

Blaser Synergy 735

[@jonathancarter6696]

Feed Rate and stepover?

[@trevorgoforth8963]

55 IPM, .002” step over

[@flomo6947]

An Ra value of 7.79 with this surface quality makes me doubt your competence. This is certainly below Ra 0.4 You should maybe set up a curve filter ;) Great Finish btw

[@NXNC-br8rl]

you should visit the IOF in Jena (Germany) .... its mind blowing what they are making ... the final metal mirror of the james webb telescope was machined there...

[@Krishell]

Nice

[@sethschneider9764]

How much is the tool tho

[@pand0ras]

Correction here: You can absolute machine Iron with diamonds, as long it doesn't contain any carbon. Materials with carbon content will cause a diffusion at the cutting edge.

[@trevorgoforth8963]

That’s false, you cannot use these tools on materials that contain iron.

[@pand0ras]

@@trevorgoforth8963 Why not? The only problem diamonds got is the diffusion of the carbon in materials like steel.

[@Fabiable]

40k machine 40k tool

[@universe1239]

Just wondering if you could achieve that finish on a steel with that tool?

[@christobel]

Not possible in steel. You will encounter a chemical wear in the MCD tool after about 5 seconds in the cut and your tool will be toast.

[@universe1239]

@@christobel Thank you. Would there be a good way to achieve that finish on steel with any other tool. Maybe PCD?

[@christobel]

@@universe1239 Burnishing with a PCD, non-fluted ball mill, can provide very nice results in steels. Check out NS-Tool or 6C-Tools AG. They produce these types of “cutters”.

[@StevenWernerCS]

make and inverse and then they should seal together seamlessly

[@unaffected_covid]

Dat thang look like it's been dipped in Diddy's baby oil. 😳🔥🔥🔥

[@sophonias5842]

I'm dead

[@olliebrown89]

How much was the tool?

[@cr500_conversions]

So wheels being machined wouldn't need polished?

[@trevorgoforth8963]

Nope!

[@donniehinske]

I still can’t wrap my head around how something clear can cut metal

[@Renegade48445]

What was his step over, tool dia? Mastercam or solidcam?

[@JamesChurchill3]

Glass can cut plastic right? Same principle.

[@trevorgoforth8963]

@@Renegade48445 6mm diameter, 10K rpm, 55 IPM, .002" stepover, programmed in Mastercam

[@hummmingbirdie]

Finish is beautiful, and the tool very exotic, but a buffing wheel and a little elbow grease may be much cheaper. Works on steel too!

[@kazenostro]

Looks expensive and like another dream

[@rolandtamaccio3285]

Must have missed it , what is the material ,,, ?

[@HiepTran-pv9zr]

Aluminum

[@pyktryk9903]

Only show. One part one day. Try this in production company.

[@Rimrock300]

as anyone are in any doubt this is a demo show...?? :) It's only purpose is to show what theoretically can be done with the machine, it does not at all try to demo 'efficient prodution'.

[@jayk7367]

Jo horn kann was....gutes werkzeug😊

[@Dante_6604]

Groovy metal boing boing

[@jayaneyon9316]

Crazy how $38k means it's a cheap one in this context

[@Budabaii]

I know nothing about machining. But I think it's safe to assume that a mirror finish right out of the machine is impressive. 40k feels affordable, as well.

[@soaphelps]

it would be interesting to see if you could make the primary mirror for a reflector telescope, say 10-12 inch and how it would look.

[@Chauvin-r9u]

Yes I made first surface optics on an old Cincinnati lathe lots of them. Diamond tooling then diamond film aluminum is not my go to for telescopes though. We were combining laser beams to smash hydrogen bubbles

[@ScuffedEngineer]

With the surface finish they got, it'd be at best a long wavelength IR telescope and not a great one at that depending on the wavelength. You're looking at lambda/10-40, not accounting for form error.

[@FuIImatiK]

sick

[@ipadize]

looks shiny

[@Forssa1]

Fact: women love diamonds for their wide range of industrial applications.

[@jones7399]

its a cool finish, but why keep mentioning the cost of the machine you used it in?

[@trevorgoforth8963]

I was just impressed that you can achieve this finish with a machine that is only 40K

[@turbo2ltr]

because they sell them.

[@abdulltifalnuaimi]

Can you ship? These machines to the UAE. 0:01

[@PaulG.369]

Your Haimer is off by a .001

[@AlchemyOfTheFourthKind]

Graphene* 0:50

[@Ron-hj1or]

Perfect, lets make it “made in the USA”

[@maloyaircraft1174]

Step over?

[@Toxa_Kartoha]

8 µin ~ 200 nm

[@jasonklabunde6415]

Kinda funny when you talked about making more parts in America when your using foreign made machining equipment.

[@TITANSofCNC]

All major shops use foreign made machines because America doesn’t make high end machines. Our #1 customer is 10 yr machinist who are opening a machine shop to make American made parts… only because they can now afford it… because of a low cost very nice CNC.