Can The Carnaby HE2 Replace The Rupert Neve MBT Super Silk?

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In this video I compare the Cranborne Audio Carnaby HE2 to the Rupert Neve MBT super silk. I was asked if the HE2 could replace the MBT super silk. I instantly answered no I feel they are very different. I always like to test these claims and definitively know if what I feel is right is in fact right. Turns out the HE2 does not replace the MBT.
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@steveg219 4 ай бұрын

I completely agree. I have the 500 series of the Carnaby and a Neve mixer with red and blue silk. This is exactly what I hear, the Carnaby is a very interesting and valuable EQ that adds harmonics. The Neve silk is a different animal.

@MDHeleniak 4 ай бұрын

Great shootout Paul. At the end of the day it boils down to what you like. I like the solid Neve sound as the starting point, then can see using the HE2 for flavor. Thanks.

@AudioAnimalsStudio 4 ай бұрын

Exactly how I use it. MBT is positioned before the HE2 almost every time.

@braxal6983 4 ай бұрын

Excellent video Paul!! I very much appreciate you doing this video. I am still hoping Rupert Neve Designs puts out a 500 series or a box with Super Silk that would be cheaper than spending 4k on the MBT.

@AudioAnimalsStudio 4 ай бұрын

That's just a logical thing to do. I don't understand why they haven't done it already.

@musiclover-r9m 3 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio agreed

@Kiradu95 2 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio because there is already neve 542

@AudioAnimalsStudio 2 ай бұрын

@Kiradu95 that's a 500 series module. So it's not great for mastering. We need a 19" 542 with advanced features that expand on the 542 and better. The 542 doesn't have super silk. You have to choose between blue or red. Not a mix of both with the addition of the harmonic parameter. This industry is calling out for this unit. We don't want a half rack version from 15 years plus ago. Bring the 542 into the modern game.

@braxal6983 2 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio Well said Paul!!!!

@Kiradu95 2 ай бұрын

good test ! i prefer the neve it sound much rich and full

@ThisGuyDude 4 ай бұрын

Looking at the frequency responses of these two devices is less than half of the story. I really wish you would have showed the Hammerstein plots and plug-in doctor because that's going to indicate a lot more the degree to which we're going to get thickness and saturation. If you showed it, it would have given us information on the relative level of even an odd harmonics as well as the total THD across that frequency spectrum of interest. Also, plug-in doctor is not a very powerful tool and is subject to quite a lot of artifacts, although it's useful in many circumstances. I would suggest that you instead use REW room EQ wizard which is a very powerful tool which is also quite easy to use.

@MOSMASTERING 18 күн бұрын

I'm not sure.. the Carnaby is a lovely sound and it adds more space between elements to my ear, but the Neve definitely has a smoother top end and nicer boost. I'm in the market for something like this to add to my studio in the coming weeks and haven't decided yet. Somebody suggested I look at the Liftoff Silver Bullet Mk2 box as well.. I need to listen to some demos before I pull the trigger on a purchase.

@1kingstan795 3 ай бұрын

In want of more saturation but in need of more depth and width does the MBT adds this is it the best in your mastering chain for depth/width if not what does? Also looking to get rid of the SPL Vitalizer mk3 its not working for me its no match im thinking because of the high tools i have such as Elysia Alpha Comp Mid side manley vari mu Pultec Eqm1s3 x2 Maselec Mea 2 Gyraf G23 Rupert Neve Limiter MBC❤ Going into AMS NEVE GENESYS BLACK And etc Its alright but im looking to top it all off a bit more pro sounding it gets Phasey when trying to stretch it to other hip hop industry artist the MK3...thinking about adding an extra analog limiter like some pros do

@AudioAnimalsStudio 3 ай бұрын

@1kingstan795 I'd say the MBT will give you width, but it's basic. Nothing special or revolutionary. Knowing your chain, you'd probably be quite disappointed. The MBP in SFE mode will give you width and depth. You can get very creative with that. I have a MBT in every studio and love them. But they are just silk boxes with the option of width if it's needed at that stage of the chain. The EQ doesn't get a look in. Nor does the colour comp. Stereo widening tools are seriously lacking in analogue mastering. The Hum Audio LAAL has a really nice widener on it.

@djdanger9812 4 ай бұрын

On the lows the Silk sounds like it adds a some poke or attack while the HE2 adds a slightly softer pillow sound IMO. Would be interesting to see what's happening to the transients in this comparison.

@MMSMUZIK 4 ай бұрын

Great insight as always! Thank you!

@b.hornetiii.6771 4 ай бұрын

Carnaby = Prince sounding ; MBT = Michael Jackson sounding 😄😄

@AudioAnimalsStudio 4 ай бұрын

Together = ?

@b.hornetiii.6771 4 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio Perfection ... 😁

@sgfdancecompany 4 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio Harry Styles???? Maybe???

@nickysmirk1160 4 ай бұрын

Hi Paul., really love your video content and am subscribed to catch more of your great and informative videos, Thanks for making this shootout! I am thinking about pulling the trigger on a Carnaby HE2 to add with my SSL Fusion and Bus + for a tri combo for my mixes, what would be your thoughts on this? Sorry if this question is off topic. Thanks in advance!

@AudioAnimalsStudio 4 ай бұрын

Would be a great combo. One thing to know is that the Carnaby isn't like your standard EQ. It's more about adding colour and harmonics to a specific band. It would add really well to the Fusion. What you could find later in life you swap out the Fusion and bus plus for the Wes Audio Tube EQ and Wes Audio bus compressor. Giving 3 units all with digital recall. This is the rack I have and it's incredible.

@nickysmirk1160 4 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio Wicked, I am literally going to do this next year! I have been eyeing up the WesAudio gear for a while now and digital recall is such a god send, appreciate the reply Paul. Have a great day!

@AudioAnimalsStudio 4 ай бұрын

@nickysmirk1160 I feel going forward over the next few years, we will see a surge of companies adding digital recall to their products. I'm all for it.

@feliksweber8566 3 ай бұрын

Hi Paul, what do you think when comparing your audio tales eqs vs the carnaby...? This would be a very interesting comparison 😮

@AudioAnimalsStudio 3 ай бұрын

@feliksweber8566 I don't see them as being anything alike to be honest. The AudioTales 1951 is a very clean tube EQ and the 1954 is a very clean passive EQ. The Carnaby HE2 is about adding harmonic content.

@christopheroconnor8842 3 ай бұрын

THANKS PAUL, BUT COULD YOU TRY TO MATCH THE EQ CURVE SLIGHTLY CLOSER BUY BOOSTING AN APPROPRIATE FREQUENCY ON THE MID BAND OF THE HE2. GREAT VIDEO WHICH CLEARLY DEMOS THE INHERANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO UNITS .

@AudioAnimalsStudio 3 ай бұрын

I tried this and no it doesn't work. The mid range works in a very different way to a standard EQ.

@christopheroconnor8842 3 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio CHEERS PAUL , I THINK A VIDEO DEMONSTRATING WHY IT DOESN'T WORK WOULD BE INTERESTING, WHY NEVE HAVE NOT RELEASED A I UNIT RACK OR 500 SERIES WITH ONLY SILK FUNCTION BAFFLES ME. THANKS FOR REPLYING CHRIS

@AudioAnimalsStudio 3 ай бұрын

@christopheroconnor8842 baffles me too. But I feel it's because they think it'll affect sales of the other units that have silk textures built in as a key feature.

@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios Ай бұрын

Yeah... Definitely similar. But there's a sonic pocket of frequencies missing in the mids.

@infojunkie4989 4 ай бұрын

Cool vid. Could you (please) do a quick vid on how to use PIDoc to do these kind of comparisons. Cheers.

@AudioAnimalsStudio 4 ай бұрын

Yes, I actually found a free version you can use. I'll do this video today.

@infojunkie4989 4 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio superstar! Tyvm

@xandervideo1 4 ай бұрын

In the top end example, the Carnaby's doing something interesting to the kick of all things. Almost imperceptible, but it's definitely there. I heard it straight away.

@Studio22mix 4 ай бұрын

The super silk is definitely a magic touch.

@CT-ho6si 4 ай бұрын

Great comparison. Semi-unrelated question, but you've mentioned a few times that the MBT compressor isn't very useful to you -- can you think of any scenarios where you WOULD use it? Or do you just have too many other good compressors to even bother with it?

@AudioAnimalsStudio 4 ай бұрын

I'd use it if I was adding it to a single stem like a vocal or guitar. It is simply a case that I have dedicated mastering compressors in the chain that this compressor just doesn't get used. If you didn't have a dedicated mastering compressor you would make use of it.

@CT-ho6si 4 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio Yeah I have an SPL Iron so that of course makes me never think of using the MBT comp.

@AsylumMusic71 3 ай бұрын

The MBT sounds more open as well. Even on my IK multimedia Ilouds I could hear it.

@StereotacticMusic 4 ай бұрын

Carnaby High End is insane, very nice thanks,,,

@icysasakimusic 4 ай бұрын

Next time show the harmonics of each on plugin doctor fft. U only showed the freq response

@ThisGuyDude 4 ай бұрын

I've owned the 542 which has red and blue silk but not super silk (red and blue blend together) and owned the carnaby 500. I sold the 542 and returned the carnaby 500. I don't have an MBT so I can't speak to that. But both the 542 and the carnaby 500 were both garish, gauche and too tawdry in their application of saturation. If i was forced to keep one it would undoubtedly be the 542, because the carnaby was just terrible with crackles. And, Cranborne specifically said that's what we should expect because that was an aspect of their technology. But, that blue and red silk is very hard to make subtle and supportive; it so wants to be intrusive and look-at-me-ma-no-hands!!

@T-BOUNCING 4 ай бұрын

I LOVE IT I MEAN THE HARDWARE ALSO THE INTERFACE IS GOOD I ONLY USE NEVE VST THIS DAYS .. THE WORLD OF RAP AND NEVE IS NOT THIS ERA AGAIN..

@Studio22mix 4 ай бұрын

I think the 1073 is still used by a lot of rap producers even to this day. There definitely are other options but the 1073 still stands its grounds.

@T-BOUNCING 4 ай бұрын

@@Studio22mix Yes the 1073 is still in the game ..

@T-BOUNCING 4 ай бұрын

@@Studio22mix I DO HIGH END /ULTRA HIGH RESOLUTION AUDIO MASTERING INCASE YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT I CAN MASTER 2SONGS FOR YOU FOR FREE SIR..

@wewantmoreparty 4 ай бұрын

Its like the craneborn is more solid state sounding and MBT more transformers witch i for like the most

@1loveMusic2003 4 ай бұрын

Could you use the other bands on HE2? To bring boost lower?

@AudioAnimalsStudio 4 ай бұрын

I tried this and didn't work. The way the EQ works isn't like a standard EQ. The mid band reacts with the other bands so you couldn't just add in the mid range freqncies.

@blvkqmusicgroup 4 ай бұрын

How does this guy keep finding room for more and more equipment!?

@AudioAnimalsStudio 4 ай бұрын

I built a 3rd studio to install what I take out of Studio A and Studio B.

@blvkqmusicgroup 4 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio like a another physical studio? Or you setup another room and you’re calling it a studio? Seems like it can get expensive.

@AudioAnimalsStudio 4 ай бұрын

@blvkqmusicgroup no another fully equipped studio. Looks just like this one, but it's stereo and not atmos like the other two. There are pictures on our Instagram page.

@blvkqmusicgroup 4 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio nice 👍🏾

@1loveMusic2003 4 ай бұрын

Are you still using that Kiive plugin that models MBT and Fusion?

@AudioAnimalsStudio 4 ай бұрын

Sometimes. I wouldn't say I don't use it but I am finding I'll use it less and less these days.

@1loveMusic2003 4 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio Don't blame you. It's hard to beat the real thing.

@AudioAnimalsStudio 4 ай бұрын

@1loveMusic2003 very hard to beat the real thing, but they do get pretty close. It's a great option for working in the box and wanting to achieve that neve silk sound.

@braxal6983 2 ай бұрын

Are you getting more out of your HE2 or your MBT?

@AudioAnimalsStudio 2 ай бұрын

@braxal6983 I'd say it's quite equal. If comparing super silk vs he2. I'd say in mastering more use of the MBT as it's a clean sound and works with everything. He2 for when a track need a particular sound added.

@braxal6983 2 ай бұрын

@@AudioAnimalsStudio Paul are you experiencing that just the mere fact of running signals without any processing through the HE2 is coloring the sound when it is bypassed?

@AudioAnimalsStudio 2 ай бұрын

@braxal6983 I don't experience this as I have the HE2 hooked up with a Flock Patchbay. So I bypass every unit by taking it completely out the chain. I would imagine if you bypass the HE2, it'll not colour the sound.