Can These Hall Effect Joysticks Work in a DualSense Controller?

[@brian7android985]

"Buy two, get one!" Great advertising, lol.

[@CallumFaulds1]

You've put a great deal of effort in to this video. Thank you.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

You're very welcome!

[@yannickb.4524]

@@CallumFaulds1 This was exactly my thinking. Well curated, well done and many hours of work.

[@Michael2-o4x]

Could these k silver potentiometers be installed on the stock alps stick?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

They are not a good fit, the magnet assemblies are a little loose on the Alps shafts. If you only want to replace the potentiometers take a look at this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGemcqCAidZ2gJIsi=aImhlzBqsQgD9HrT

[@pac-man-ooo5520]

How in the world do you recalibrate these I try the holes and I hear no click lol I try to orange joystick works good and then I try these blue one and it suck won't go to center even tho I got it to center when I go up it won't come back perfectly I think it's defected

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

It is best to use the software to calibrate now. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpeuYqaXpdtjj6ssi=Wvl3Z1bWaDqlGp6i I go over the calibration software. To shift the magnet in these, you have to deform the plastic shafts, tedious to say the least.

[@jonathanlang9711]

Hey quick question here. I have replaced the sticks in my two BDM-010 Controllers as well as two 030s of my cousin. We both had bought these orange kind of sticks. And both seem to have very similar if not exactly the same problems. The sticks seem to work fine after calibration at first. But they will start to bug uncontrollably on one or even more axis after a short period of game time (sometimes 10min, sometimes even 45min), this will also happen after some time when the controller is just sitting there turned on while watching YT or Netflix or smth. Sometimes the stick will just output a almost continous 100% on one axis, sometimes it will only give you only reduced output at max. (Like it wont go over 65% on that axis in one or both directions , or similar.) And I really don't know anymore what I can do about that. After having the controllers turned off for a couple hours the'll work fine again for said short period of time. Problem exists with every single of the 6 sticks I had put into my own controllers. Because in my frustration I even tried completely swapping the hall sticks for another pair again which did not fix things. Does anyone know a reason for that? Or maybe a stick from a brand that will work reliably? Cause atleast my own controllers were working fine before. I had just a slight beginning stick drift on one of them and when we fixed my cousins controllers (they were at unusable levels of drifting) and they seemed to be working fine afterwards I said fuck it and decided to swap both my controllers with hall sticks aswell and thought I didn't have to worry about those anymore. Could it be that those Hall-ICs somehow are overheating for some reason? Are there Versions of those sticks that are made for even lower voltage controllers then the 1.8V of the Dualsense?

[@jonathanlang9711]

Noteworthy would also be that me and my cousin did not buy the exact same kind of sticks. The orange shell looks the same but the color of the pcb in the little square window in mine is red and in his it is blue.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

It sounds like a defective Hall sensor but it occurring with all of them is very strange. I would try a hardware reset of the controller first thing. When you installed them, were you possibly in a very high static electric environment? None of the hall sensors I've tested pull enough power to get hot. You could try putting it in the refrigerator for a few minutes when it starts acting up. If it clears up then it is probably a temperature problem.

[@jackipiegg]

16:44 Isn't the magnet south and north poles opposite sides? and not "left and right"?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I would think the magnet poles are aligned with the axis of movement. That is why I just rotated the magnet 180 degrees. But I've never used a Hall effect sensor in any projects, so I'm not positive.

[@jackipiegg]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 For one, I'm 99.99% sure they don't manufacture magnets that small with "left/right" poles. Could you take a magnet and see if it attracts the same for "left/right" at the same face? If it does, wow, I need one of those. But yes, I'd imagine their custom hall effect sensor works differently from off the shelf parts seeing how the voltage is halved when it gets close. Standard sensors work by having it full tilt when magnets get close. i.e. North = 0V, South = 1.8V unlike this which is 0.9V.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

When I bring two of the magnets close, they always snap together, smallest face to smallest face. So I’m pretty sure the smallest faces are the poles. But you’ve piqued my interest in the Hall effect sensor magnet interaction. So I may try and do a little video on it.

[@jackipiegg]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 Wow the small sides on each end? Do dismantle the cheapo orange ones you got for 10 pieces to their bare pcb. The chip is hidden from the internet lol, no datasheet of any kind.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I couldn't find any information on the Hall sensor in the orange ones or the K-Silver. But the magnets seem to be about the same. Yes, the poles are on the small ends.

[@Alexander-sc3hl]

That blue joystick is used with the calibration board i think.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

With the calibration software shouldn't need a board anymore.

[@GOATGamerProSticks]

If you reverse the magnetic field does that usually work. Or is it chip programmed not field dependent? The deadspot centering is on a central friction cylinder hub on some, not a magnet slider. As for the voltage I'm wondering if you can actually use any of the available hall sticks from DS4 or Dualsense as long as you flip the required magnet then can program the pre set voltage parameter, while it's all together in your latest vid. That might be a detection problem for the pad hardware before we could even get that far with it. I'll have to watch your last 3 vids on halls to un blow 🤯 my 🧠 logic. On your findings.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Yes you can rotate the magnet and use both joysticks.

[@GOATGamerProSticks]

​​@@metalplasticelectronics354 Wow I've just watched your latest 3 videos again to see what you have discovered. So the blue K-silvers you have there have zero magnet axis rotation adjustment 😭 for the centering 🎯 just deformation twisting the plastic but still has the pin holes 🕳️ 🤤🫣. W⚓'s they are lol. Maybe they decided it's not needed with the right program or they are copies made simpler 🤷🏼‍♂️. Who knows the market ☯️ decisions to confuse us all on purpose 😉, but we collectively got there in the end 👍🏼. The chip orientation & magnet 🧲 fitted pole 🧭 position decides the axis digital workings - / + or + / - across all brands that are all different 🤦🏼‍♂️, some with L/R colour coding & lettering but if you can flip the magnet you can change it anyway 💪🏼. Lastly the voltage ⚡ parameter is that just chip saved pre programmed per intended console pad 🎮. And that can be altered also it would seem if I'm following the working logic? Well done 🫡 sir you have smashed ⚒️ the forbidden knowledge out of them 🤫🫢🤭. Built back butter 🧈🫠 lol.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Yes in the K-Silver Hall joysticks the blue magnet holder has the correct magnet orientation. The magnet must be rotated 180 degrees in the white magnet holder to work in the DualSense controller. With the calibration software adjusting the magnet is not as important now but it can still have some effect on the circularity of the joystick.

[@MrPeelcam]

I have those exact joysticks. Didn't even think about testing them lmao. They work perfectly after calibration in my ps5 dualsense

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

That's good they fixed the magnet orientation.

[@MrPeelcam]

@metalplasticelectronics354 I purchased them August of this year. 16.99 cad for 2. They are listed as McBazel 7 in 1 hall effect sticks

[@SECONDOWave]

I got the same one on Amazon hope this is still good

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Hopefully, by now they have the correct magnet assembly in place and you won't have to modify it.

[@MrPeelcam]

@metalplasticelectronics354 ive actually installed multiple sets and have had 0 issues so far!

[@Arunnn241]

Thank you for this. Extremely helpful! For some reason, the dualsense edge joysticks are all out of stock and so now I'm looking at reg dualsense joysticks to resolder in the controller.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Glad I could help!

[@danielweaver8505]

Me to 😂😂😂

[@GregRosolowski]

I would love to see tests like this using Jun Zengs calibration board. He reccomends these sensors with his board.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

May not be a need for the boards anymore. This may solve all the problems: blog.the.al/2024/04/09/dualshock-calibration-in-the-browser.html.

[@legitcrack6438]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 id like to see a comparison to see if i should remove the boards, pretty sure its same sticks in this video that i got with them, would put rest to my input lag paranoia.

[@Klipi09]

Its works for the dualsense Edge Controller?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I do not know, don't have an Edge controller to test with.

[@InterstellarLord]

Super interesting video. Thanks

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@yannickb.4524]

How about if you make a fixture with an electric motor and gears that wiggle the sticks back an forth. Then you look at the curves and the onsets. I would bet there are differences in the behavior and quality of the signals..

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I'm more moving in the direction of using an electro-magnet to measure the response of the magnetic sensors. The sensors are getting a lot faster.

[@yannickb.4524]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 That sounds more professional. I put the orange sticks into my ps4 and ps5 controllers and I am looking for the explanation why they feel a notch better and smoother. Could be that it is only psychological or old vs new. :-)

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

If orange means the Ginfull Hall effect joysticks, it's not psychological, their output is filtered some. I have some videos that cover some of the Ginfull joysticks.

[@yannickb.4524]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 Actually I don't know the brand, but they work great. Did you ever consider real life comparisons? I was wondering, if you take a race game and race ten laps. Would there be differences in the median? When I swapped my steam deck to hall sticks, I felt like I was doing measurably better....

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Every time I install a new joystick I try it on some games. I just don't play that much to be able to compare joysticks like that. I did feel the Ginfull, I think it was version 3 had a really smooth feel. A comment about that smoothness got me looking into the delay of the Hall sensors.

[@adrianooneves]

Qual diferença entre esse azul e o amerelo? Para o ps5?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

​These have a faster response time.

[@NoDefinitiveAnswers]

What happens you drop the controller with hall I'm effect joysticks?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

The Hall sensor and magnet are not that sensitive to shock, plastic would probably break first.

[@NoDefinitiveAnswers]

@metalplasticelectronics354 That's good to know, I recently bought 2 controllers with hall sensor joysticks and dropped one by accident, so I'm just curious

[@Lost_John]

This is cool, I’m subbing

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Thanks.

[@Yusuf-ti2lw]

What is the best hall effect joystick for the fps

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Of the two I have tried I would say the K-Silver ones from this video. Though you have to do a bit of work to use both joysticks. But I just got 2 more kits from Amazon and I hope to be testing them out over the next couple of weeks.

[@tonka8080]

The K silver out of those 2 but in all the Green Favor Union ones feel the best to me. I've used them all. Even got my hands on some Kailh Hall effects

[@Shifty_0]

For the up down one you can probably flip it in settings lol

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

It's pretty easy to turn the magnet, I hope they will eventually get the correct joysticks.

[@Foxx_69]

There is actually 3 now. 😉. Nice information

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I ordered a couple of them yesterday. I also saw some advertised as Hall effect, but the pictures were of regular joysticks. Those I didn't try, almost positive there going to be regular joysticks.

[@Pixelchaos]

I can do this mod in the Netherlands for whoever needs a repair/upgrade.

[@Bdishman1]

I often get really bad stick drift in my ps5 controller and Instead of buying a new controller i took my controller to a repair shop and asked the guy to fit hall affect joysticks in them can someone tell me if this was a good idea and if they last longer than original playstation joysticks and tell me more about them

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

The Hall sensor and magnet should never wear out. Sensor might go bad, or something mechanical might break in the joystick. Should outlive a potentiometer based joystick by a long time.

[@ydobp]

Anyone have a place/company they would recommend for with like this? I wanna replace my ds5 with hall effects?

[@miker13]

eBay 👍🏼

[@ydobp]

@@miker13 I meant like a company that did this service. I've burnt a couple controllers too many and thank you for replying

[@miker13]

@@ydobp Yes well.. if you're in the UK you should see several listings for pre-modded and mail-in services.. including my listings 😋

[@miker13]

@@ydobp sorry my messages keep getting deleted. I think it's because of my wording. Follow my previous message and you may find me 😅

[@surendransinniah7302]

can u test hall effect dualsense at ps5 instead of testing PC? i would like understand hall effect no issue on console

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

I don't know of a program for the PS5 that will show circularity. I just use the Gamepad tester for the numbers. After I replace a joystick I always play a few games on the PS5 to make sure it works.

[@miker13]

The reason your stick was registering the opposite values is due to a recent quality control issue at K-Silver. I received a batch of 20 where the magnet had been installed incorrectly during manufacture. The magnet was reversed and this inverted left/right. It's fixable by removing the magnet, rotating it 180° and replacing it. Oops: i hadn't watched the whole video before posting this 😅

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Are the magnet holders different colors in the batch you received?

[@miker13]

@@metalplasticelectronics354 yes exactly, can't remember which way round the colours were but one was white and the other was blue.

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Okay, same as the ones I got then. Thanks.

[@大支爺]

There has different ver, 7k 9k 10k and 11k I believe.

[@jasondominguez5392]

Is your voice AI ?

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

No.

[@jasondominguez5392]

@metalplasticelectronics354 dammit I wanted to download it lol love it

[@MiguelDeMarchena]

Maybe just by leaving the joysticks as they are but reversing the wiring on the controller you'll get the desired effect, i think that by cutting two cooper traces and adding two jumper cables on each analog you can get both to work as intended

[@joshmclain3599]

Awesome breakdown!!

[@metalplasticelectronics354]

Appreciate it!