Can You Beat A Level 100 Hoppip With A Level 5 Totodile?

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Update: The mod maker has gone missing, so the parent challenge (all Pokémon level 100 except my own) may not be finished. I am very sad and sorry :c

[@aphenomenon1]

Aw that sucks all that work is gone

[@javiersoave]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :c

[@MyHandleIsAplaceholder]

:(

[@steak5431]

Wait what, i was just rewatching your videos and saw this comment, i hope he is ok

[@Thatoneguy-lv4qt]

Im sorry for him and his parents its a painfull felling 😔✊

[@senatorcockstrong161]

Can’t believe I got called casual for not calculating the mathematical stability of the entire universe to beat a Pokémon game.

[@Acidrain-nt3ih]

Just looking at all the math hurts me

[@excitableboy7031]

You are a casual, there are only two variables you chump

[@robertlupa8273]

You have 666 likes. Please don't change that.

[@omegaforcezero5440]

Yeah....

[@hitkid2456]

@@robertlupa8273 It's inevitable. All you can do is make the moment last as long as possible BTW this is making me think of Sephiroth's Super Nova LOL.

[@boredhuman6512]

"Uh pokemon isn't about fun. Its about math and winning"- pokemon rusty

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

I definitely didn't have any fun

[@JarvisTastic]

But he is winning 🥰

[@dumpsockpuppet5619]

Then again, rusty himself didn't follow this rule, he half-assed everything and somehow(coughcoughThatBreederGuyclughcough) stumbling his way into creating a Literal Pokégod

[@hitkid2456]

Dude ever thought about using the inverted version of that meme for your icon?

[@boredhuman6512]

@@hitkid2456 yes

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

WHOEVER UPDATED THE DAMAGE PAGE ON BULBAPEDIA IS MY HERO. I'M CRYING

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Though I can't take all of the credit. I only exposed it, the people at the Pokémon Crystal Disassembly project have the right answers, and Chance had interpreted/found the code for me.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

FUCKING CITE ME

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

NEVER FORGET MY SACRIFICE FOR TRUTH

[@farter555]

I ASSUMED YOU PUT IT THERE HAHAHA. IM HAPPY FOR YOU BUDDY

[@DanielCM1989]

You're welcome, I updated the damage page and linked to your video :) My username on Bulbapedia: Daniel Carrero I'm a Bulbapedia admin

[@jacobesterson]

I never thought I'd ever hear "Youngster Joey and his Level 100 Rattata" in my life.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

hahahahaha

[@lintecassidy206]

It’s now certifiably in the top percentage of all Rattatas.

[@namingisdifficult408]

@@lintecassidy206 it’s not in the top percentage. It IS the top percentage.

[@lilacdragon17329]

You haven't played Pokemon Crystal Clear yet then...

[@cameronweaver3933]

@Jacob Esterson shaco and pokemon lover aswell ma of great taste sir

[@whoopsiedooe8916]

And they said I’d never use high school level math in real life

[@andyydna101]

E X A C T L Y

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

E X A C T L Y

[@SirDankleberry]

I use my high school math techniques every night when I fall asleep.

[@Snowstorm174]

@@SirDankleberry lmao mood

[@charlottearanea7507]

Throwback to Werster at AGDQ 2013. "There's tons of indepth information about every aspect of Pokemon on Serebii, Bulbapedia, and Smogon. And it's all wrong."

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

hahahaha

[@ashikjaman1940]

It takes a true Titan to vaguely understand GameFreak spaghetti

[@blarg2429]

@@ashikjaman1940 The true Pokemon creepypasta is the games' code itself.

[@jonathanyip1969]

All that math just to tell us, 'fuck no you idiot, it's impossible' Great stuff as always!

[@biscuitboi3561]

Dood spoilers

[@jongyon7192p]

Not enough people make videos for challenges that failed. You always expect challenges in videos to succeed. Success comes only after so SO much failure.

[@Ashenboi]

@@jongyon7192p who said the challenge run failed? oWo

[@Skelsky]

@@biscuitboi3561 don't read the comments before watching a video??

[@biscuitboi3561]

@@Skelsky I browse

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Update: The run will continue soon

[@ehrenhamster]

More pain incoming

[@creoa3911]

Ponggers

[@muazzamshams1801]

Just started watching this series and damn. The amount of work you put into this shit really shows exemplary perseverance. The power of God and anime is real.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

@@muazzamshams1801 thank you thank you

[@christoffer9652]

hyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyype. Man this is so sick, I HAVE to see how you got past this, cause it seems impossible to me after watching this video

[@milgos5269]

alternate tile: Man gets driven to insanity while trying to do a stupid challange

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Ye

[@GamerGuy249]

I skimmed the title and read it as "can you beat a hippo with a toddler"

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

That's basically what this turned into

[@alx0tl]

Well, can you?

[@jakecooper5855]

No you didn't. Just like every other person didn't who makes comments like this.

[@GamerGuy249]

@@jakecooper5855 you okay?

[@MrChristianDT]

I mean, you can, but the hippo will get angry & I don't think the structural integrity of the toddler would hold up too long.

[@Miner49r]

Tiddies is my favorite pokemon acronym now

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Tiddies are a favorite of mine too

[@littlehero2835]

That was an amazing joke, hurt my sides 10/10

[@HanakkoLove]

Its not even pokemon. That's something very common in programming... Including the dies part...

[@visionboi7292]

"The chance of this occurring would be 1 in 10-" Oh, well that's not that ba- QUINDECILLION oh...

[@seanhill4719]

While the effort you put into figuring out the damage formula is impressive, weedle learns poison sting at level 1...

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

That was the answer. It's embarrassing that it took me 4 hours to figure that out though

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Mostly because I didn't know how poison worked

[@PedroHenrique-zo2lx]

@@ChallengerAndyOfficial LOL

[@tandapanda7222]

why would this solve it?

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

@@tandapanda7222 Poison does 1/8 of total health, so all you have to do is survive 8 turns

[@linkthepringlesman3951]

Why. Weedle knows Poison Sting. Judging by the end of this video, you know this. Why did you do this to yourself?

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

it took me 4 hours to realize that (I think the main problem is that it worked differently than I thought it did). But I had already put 4 hours of effort into this, so I was like let's go a little longer and make a video. I didn't foresee it would cause this much suffering

[@lhumanoideerrantdesinterne8598]

Damn... shouldn't have looked at the comments, I wanted to guess the answer myself.

[@milesgreenaway6008]

Hell yeah, I was thinking spinark but yeah poison sting! Only way

[@nuggetpotato5471]

Poison sting is an attacking move!

[@HiImRainer]

@@nuggetpotato5471 but you can just spam attempt to 1st turn catch him

[@chrasmaster2780]

I can just imagine Andy pulling up this behemoth every time he doesn’t know if a move will kill

[@Sweetcommando]

this is the pinnacle of convoluted pokemon self- challenge videos

[@stefandiacenco]

whenever the hoppip's healthbar is entirely depleted, the universe will end

[@totobyafrica5097]

This man is THE definition of a chad. Although you should do a run where every wild pokemon is Gwyn.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

I legitimately want to do like Super Mario 64 but every enemy is Gwyn but of course that could never happen could it.

[@totobyafrica5097]

@@ChallengerAndyOfficial Bruh imagine goomba stomping gwyn.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

@Psyche I wish

[@TheScribeScribe]

@@ChallengerAndyOfficial It could. A polygwyn can wield a firebar sword and chase from across each map. He one hit kills of course and can leap the castle.

[@jacobesterson]

@@ChallengerAndyOfficial I'm sure there's someone in the Romhacking community who'd either do it for free, or whom you could comission to do it. Doesn't sound too hard to make a model that looks somewhat like Gwyn and make it act somewhat like Gwyn, assuming that's all you're doing. That and replacing every enemy with him. Based on what I've seen people do with SM64 Romhacks, what you're asking doesn't sound all that complex.

[@Wins7ow]

Found you from you Gwyn Run, just dropping a comment to say I really enjoy your challenges and to encourage you to keep making content! You've got great focus and will, I enjoy your vids a lot!

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thank you! Working on videos constantly, next one will be out maybe end of October

[@godqueensadie]

Wow, those are somehow even lower odds than Dream's speed run luck.

[@princesscrystal6410]

Must be a 1 in a 7.5 trillion chance

[@yoissy]

this is insane levels of effort for literally no reason. I respect the shit out of you and am waiting for you to blow the hell up from great videos like this!

[@Xxero_Chill]

Absolute bruh moment

[@Blythus]

Hey Andy, I just wanna say: it’s absolutely criminal that your channel doesn’t have more views. Not only is your humor on point, your videos are also fascinating as hell to watch. I love seeing the research and details in each video. I’m definitely recommending your channel to everyone I can. Keep up the good work! 👌

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thank you, I really appreciate it!

[@Kekistani_Insurgent]

18:55 is such a good moment. Dude your script writing ability is nuts. Hilarious every time

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thanks! I'm trying to get better and better at it, but I am super proud of that part specifically. I spent a HUGE amount of time on the visuals, and it came out great!

[@kamiwriterleonardo6345]

Now this is a Dream's luck level threat

[@Brain-washed2]

That TIDDIES joke was god tier but you could have said at 17:42 "the decimals are "cross-chopped" off rest of the video, subbed, incredible work

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thanks!

[@InYourFace1023]

When in doubt, The Cave of Dragonflies has the correct answer

[@thewolfleader500]

No one: Andy finding a way to rewrite "rounding down" as "tiddies": *Sometimes, I'm a genius. All the time.*

[@Daniel-dz2ie]

This is some kind of new masokism

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

I wanted to stop but I had already put too much effort into it aaa

[@JonWaterfall]

On the path to discovering a way to beat pokemon 95 levels higher than yours, he went mad pouring his remaining sanity into doing manual damage calculations. He may not have discovered what he was looking for, but he uncovered falsehoods in a fanmade calculator and a wiki article for a 21-year-old game.

[@MaplecroftEverythingYT]

Your editing is phenomenal and I love it with every fabric of my being. Keep suffering my masochist friend.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thank you! Means a lot

[@concussed_9532]

This video has inspired me to create random mathematical formulas for extremely specific and miniscule goals in games that don't involve catching monsters in the wild to make them fight other wild monsters.

[@jeremiahbennett3004]

Man, why aren't all math principles taught in terms of beating a level 100 hoppip? You explained the math very good, I am astounded at how long it is, it must've been hell to write

[@virgilthemob1242]

I love how you turned a children's game about cute virtual creatures into a bottomless pit of suffering. Enduring all that despair takes some serious motivation.

[@Cracks094]

"there was some fuckery afoot" is my new favourite thing

[@coolguy02536]

An important detail was left out: how many times would you have leveled up? Assuming a wild level 100 Hoppip gives 1057 EXP, and Totodile is in the Medium Slow experience group, that would bring it from level 5 to level 12 and its Attack from 16 to 31. Another victory would result in three more level ups. Pity it’s not Gen V or later, or the level difference would result in a lot more EXP.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

I leveled to 11, but not sure if it was from a hoppip or not. It was extremely disappointing

[@kazemizu]

And this is the question I was wonder a out.

[@ToastNova]

That Rattata is in the TOP PERCENTAGE OF ALL RATTATA

[@thecloudwyrm7966]

When I'm ignoring my highschool math classes so I can watch a video of a man ranting about highschool level math, but it's math from a video game so it's more interesting I swear

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Haha basically.

[@rex_felium]

love how much you went into detail on the formula, honestly really interesting to learn about stuff i'll forget the details of within the hour

[@Freaxon1]

A very respectable way to descend into complete math-induced madness

[@jimjimmerson3872]

Was talking to my brother about damagage formulas today and I remembered this video so I showed it to him, and he wanted to figure out what the highest level hoppip you could defeat with a Lv. 1 Totodile in the best-case scenario. So we did some calculations, and you can actully come very close by doing up to 204 damage to a Lv. 98 Hoppip (176 HP) without even using Hoothoots if you Leer 6 times. Lv. 99 is when the defense integer increases and it becomes impossible.

[@MugenJiyuu]

I’m just gonna go back to this video if I ever need motivation

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Big maffs

[@frank83153]

“Can you beat a level 100 with a level 5” Me- sounds interesting I bet he can I wonder how *22 minute long video* Oh god

[@josheike3543]

Level 5 is too high. He'll need a level 1 pokemon

[@julioaurelio]

After watching this and your Gwyn videos, I respect you so much. The amount of effort you put into your content is insane, specially for such a small content creator. I hope you grow your channel to insane heights, because you deserve at least 10+ times more views than what you are getting, you have just earned a fan.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Yay! I hope I can continue to meet your expectations!

[@Alex-mq6qi]

You need to basically be a rocket scientist to understand how one critter hits another This franchise is golden

[@ZorotheGallade]

Dream got the 1 in ten quindecillion chance legit, yall just envious.

[@jackdiddles4304]

i dont know why the line "since totodile never won a battle" was so funny to me. it just is

[@DivyeshPrakash]

This and your all Gwyn video are easily the best content on KZbin. Keep up the great work, can't wait to see more

[@ThunderbirdMaster]

I'm guessing you poisoned one of the Hoppips with a Weedle.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

correct

[@phdskyla5026]

Actually a caterpie but yeah

[@MarioFan587YT]

@@phdskyla5026 Caterpie doesn't get Poison Sting? Or ANY Poison moves?

[@phdskyla5026]

@@MarioFan587YT .... Caterpie was the pokemon that got poisoned, not a hoppip. Yes, caterpie doesn't get any poison moves, but caterpie was the one that got poisoned and then killed for xp.

[@MarioFan587YT]

Sorry, I hadn't seen the full video yet, I assumed you meant the Caterpie was the one doing the poisoning.

[@chomprey5407]

TIDDIES is literally the greatest acronym joke I've ever heard.

[@bigboopus5059]

You're insane, man, and totally underrated. Watching this after the Gwyn videos and subscribing!

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thank you!!!

[@shapeswitch_mood7221]

That equation explanation, not only was crazy, but also interesting and useful!

[@QuintaFeira12]

I mean, if I had to guess how you did it, and since you have already made it clear that save scumming is fair game... You simply picked another wild pokemon with more than 1 move, including one that can miss, and attacked it before struggle became an issue. You picking Splash because then hopip does nothing was always a red herring from the start, you could already make pokemon do nothing even if they are using moves, just with the tools you allow yourself. Caterpie, for example, lets you land a total of 75 moves before it struggles, which means that if you can get it low enough in just 75 moves that it kills itself, you can just switch a pokemon you want leveled for a sacrificial lamb, attack 74 times and get it when caterpie inevitably knocks its target and itself out. Of course you wouldn't have pokemon that can attack 74 times, so that number lowers further with each required switch out, but your primary goal is to get the caterpie low enough that it knocks itself out from struggle within 5 moves (since you can only have a team of 6). I say Caterpie, because that's the only pokemon I know for a fact has 2 moves, but I dunno if that was the choice.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Good guess, but it's even easier. You're right about it being a red herring; I didn't want to lie and appear stupid so as to totally ignore the strategy along the lines of what you're saying. The reason I made this video is because I had spent around 6 hours researching it, then found a WAY easier method, but had spent enough time on Hoppip so I was like fuck it let's see. I did not foresee that it would take an additional 44+ hours to complete. But yeah, your strat would probably work, but it's not worth it because there is a WAY easier method.

[@QuintaFeira12]

@@ChallengerAndyOfficial inb4 one of the zubats have supersonic or something stupid like that

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

You're on the right track but I'm not going to say anymore. You'll feel somewhat dumb when you realize you didn't think of it sooner, like I did.

[@Xxero_Chill]

QuintaFeira12 yeah except the challenge is vs hoppip specifically. So that doesn’t really matter anymore.

[@QuintaFeira12]

@@ChallengerAndyOfficial Oh... OH.... WOW. I figured it out. You're right, it's something incredibly dumb. It's so obvious when you see it, and it's right there on your "available wild pokemon" list. Which btw, is missing Dunsparce, not that it matters.

[@Junkyardproduxtions]

THIS is how you give people a reason to learn high level math lol. I'd've paid attention if it was to calculate for Pokémon.

[@QuintaFeira12]

/u/mamamia1001 is a hero for stating what he did.

[@TheSleepingSeer]

The quindecillion bit made me laugh so fucking hard. The way you said it sounded so absurdly, extremely defeated lol

[@crammish]

Omg dude. I wish I could like your videos a dozen times. You put so much time and dedication into these. It's beautiful. And the editing is divine

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thanks! I keep getting better and better with each video!

[@BlimpBlomp]

okay but the fact you added the stripe for the Q at 19:59 on top of an O while editing is sending me

[@DonYagamoth]

I'm glad you seemed to know beforehand, that the older console systems truncate decimal values after each division. I ended up running into a weird problem in Secret of Mana, where the expected chance to hit via the known formula did simply not line up with the actual numbers during testing. And it took us way too long to figure out, that each division step truncates decimals Fascinating video, thank you for taking us on this journey, it was quite the ride :)

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

nope I didn't know that until halfway through this research. I mean I guess I assumed it had to be truncated at some point, just didn't know when. It makes sense that it's after every division now

[@ProtoManiac2283]

All your videos are god tier I swear I'll never get tired of them

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thanks! That's high praise

[@lazyhippie6139]

You went through a significant amount of create this video. Underrated.

[@yosoycrackercuh]

I love u man, the only guy who willingly tortured themselves for days just to answer a shower question

[@Mecceldorf]

Andy, I knew you were crazy. I saw you complete Subspace Emissary and ensure you never needed jumps or up specials. I saw you wade through an entire ocean of gross incandescence. You’ve begun the same process with freaking Gael. I never would have thought you were absolutely mad enough to reevaluate the entire field of pokemon study over a freaking hoppip. Who’s going to build a plaque to commemorate this scholar in the years to come?

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thank you for the kind words. My upcoming video will reveal another mechanic in a game that as far as I know is completely unheard of

[@Mecceldorf]

@@ChallengerAndyOfficial I am horrified. But interested.

[@ky7501]

I can’t think of many worse feelings than finding out your main Internet reference has been wrong the entire time.

[@TheNutshaq]

Dream could get 40 perfect crits in a row

[@CaptainMonkeyFez]

He's just really lucky.

[@honeydarlinggaming9156]

Dude's got an amazing gaming chair.

[@iseegreen5297]

He's such a gamer he "Accidentally" gets 40 crits in row

[@rowletthejowlet6241]

To be fair minecraft crits are pretty easy to pull off.

[@AlexjakerOL]

@@rowletthejowlet6241 what

[@nyx3659]

This is one of the most entertaining challenge videos I have ever seen

[@columnfellow6955]

I have never seen ANYTHING on you before this video, and I just want to say that you are my new favourite person.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

thanks!

[@orionthehunter55]

Holy shit this is the longest way to say "no" in recorded history, I love it

[@SmittyWerbenJag3rmanJenson]

The moment the paper came out covered in arcane pokerman knowlage I knew this was a classic.

[@semisemicoloncolon]

The dedication and work put into every single one of this videos is genuinely insane. Not only are they so well researched, but they’re also incredible entertaining. This channel is underrated for sure.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thanks!

[@sky4ce09]

now that was a gigantic rollercoaster of a video this stuff could go on a research paper

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

I do work as a researcher (neuroscience)

[@bambsnaklub4578]

Great shit as always, love catching your streams

[@mjdxp5688]

I'm still waiting for the day this happens, even if it will never come.

[@HellStamp]

This is beyond insanity and i love it. Loved your gywn video too, great stuff.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thank you!

[@paulroche6969]

Reading the title,I thought, "No." Not gonna lie, had me sweating at a couple points.

[@BAIGAMING]

9:13 Oh, then we just need to ask for Dream's help 😅

[@jeremyabbott4537]

this just showed up in my recommended vids, I can't wait for the full run!

[@undercoverbreadbug2723]

This is like the pokemon equivalent of Pepe Silvia.

[@a_level_70_elite_raccoon]

I was so ready to see you beat a level 100 Hoppip after all that math, and then the absolute crushing despair when you revealed that it wasn't possible, but then you FUCKING DID IT ANYWAY. SOMEHOW? And then you didn't tell us!?! Bro. What an emotional roller coaster.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

hahahah if you searched through the comments I've answered the question since this run may not be finished for a long, long time

[@alexanderelderhorst2107]

Wait... wild mons have a low tier ai that picks one of the 4 moves at equal chance? Huh... I guess shiny gravellers have a secret trainer hiding somewhere telling it to explode

[@chrisj403]

I love how in depth you go, another super good video!

[@Vanlens]

You put way more effort into this shit than anyone would ever have to, man. You've earned yourself a new subscriber!

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thank you!

[@tylerr2016]

This feels like a math problem you’d get in 8th grade when the teacher overhears the kids talking about Pokémon

[@tylerr2016]

Also I’m probably late but I’m gonna guess you were able to win ONLY by resetting a specific Pokémon on the route so they would miss all of their attacks mixed with a lot of nonsense

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

nope

[@tylerr2016]

@@ChallengerAndyOfficial yeah I'm a dumbass and forgot about poison

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

@@tylerr2016 Don't worry, I did too

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Or rather, didn't know how it worked

[@DinosaursDontKnowAnything]

I hope you stayed hydrated today, andy. Awesome Video!

[@computermariobross]

You sound like a villain when you reach the part of the faulty formula. And I can totally relate to posting on Reddit and receiving no help at all lmao.

[@LuisFelipe-pq9lr]

Me who played all of the Pkmn Games: I fell like a completely noob

[@CaptScrotes]

I CANNOT WAIT for someone at a party to ask me this question. I'm finally ready, thanks to you and your immense efforts 🙏

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

hahahaha

[@grubbu7073]

I’ve never been so upset about the conclusion to a video

[@len5630]

I remember memorising the formula for catching a Pokémon in Gen 3 just to impress my friends back in HS. I miss venturing the mathematical side of Pokémon. I've subbed to ya now ^^

[@torquevonthorne948]

Of course you can, Toto is a chad and learns Ice fan... Oh... Man the work you put in this video, impressive

[@shteditrec9994]

This video earned you a subscriber, I didn't know someone could be so committed 😯 maaad respect

[@TheKingsPride]

This man just made a bully hunters reference. I forgot that even existed.

[@TCousteau]

Honestly this video is amazing plus the editing is perfect 🤣

[@Pinkooru]

9:10 Still a better chance than 99% of all warframe item drops.

[@magicmonster3]

I may despise math and barely understood how the equation worked but I refuse to skip through any part of of your videos no matter how much my brain explodes.

[@madhijz6846]

this has that same tortured scientist energy as Freeman's Mind

[@zretralboletarias2808]

This popped up in my recommendations and I am not disappointed. Great channel, definitely subbing.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Thanks!

[@buster7797]

Andy are you okay?

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

hah

[@ATSM_33]

Oh and how you got to the Gym Leader? Save States. Lots. And lots. Of Save States. Walking through grass and the BellSprout Tower (to train more) with your friend "Chance" until the first gym needs a *lot* of Save States.

[@ChallengerAndyOfficial]

Chance is the real name of my roommate, and you can't access Bellsprout tower until you beat Joey. And I didn't use save states at the Gym Leader IIRC