Can You Beat Undertale As a Pacifist Without Dodging?

[@nataliaborys1554]

"Technically it's impossible for you to beat him. B-but... Somehow, I know you can do it!" Alphys basically summed up this run in two sentances.

[@NovemberJoy]

That was the line I was most fixated on. I like trying to do things that sound impossible, but aren't. Thanks for the comment!

[@PadsterX]

woah i really like this comment

[@e_s.0848]

Spoiler bruh Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.

[@stormtrooperatt7713]

Is this a spoiler warning for the bible?

[@PadsterX]

@@stormtrooperatt7713 isaiah? i heard that guy is a beast at melee

[@BolarolaBoi]

You actually did two of your three optional objectives technically. There was an objective for defeating Muffet without using a spider item and one for not using Temmie armor. You were able to do the Muffet fight with Temmie armor, meaning that once you failed the Temmie armor objective it then became possible to defeat Muffet without the spider item.

[@NovemberJoy]

I thought about that. Personally, I felt it was invalid since it required violating another optional objective to do it, but I guess that works! I had another idea for solving the other objective, but it's mutually exclusive, and it's probably something I'll save for later if I talk about it at all. Thanks for the comment!

[@Cptnburrito]

667th

[@hhgkktederr9o]

Third

[@chinlota682]

@@NovemberJoy bro you still do videos?

[@NovemberJoy]

I do, it's just mostly been streaming with a sporadic schedule. I'm editing together a video, though - I'll have it out before the new year.

[@salt8044]

Undertale but instead of Determination, you’re filled with Patience.

[@NovemberJoy]

Patience with a bit of Determination mixed in, judging from how many deaths there were. Thanks for the comment!

[@cuuh.]

Undertale but you have multiple souls

[@jinxxdd]

undertale but you forgot your keyboard

[@BlazingEmerald428]

Undertale, but you're missing the movement keys.

[@cuboembaralhado8294]

I wanna the other 5 sould now

[@StanleyG23]

11:26 There is actually an exploit/trick commonly used in speedrunning where if you write hotfinenticute, you get 360 points. The game does this because it sees this as hot fine enticing and cute as one word and so awards the appropriate points for all those responses at once. Also, if you use the stick during the fight, you get awarded 700 points.

[@RichConnerGMN]

that first thing works if you put in any 4 general compliments from this list: hot sexy pretty handsome gorgeous sparkl charm (overridden by “arm”) attract cute smokin elegant (overridden by “leg”) good look goodlook good-look grace comely fine foxy looker dreamboat stun shapely ravishing allur entic seduct enchant appeal tantaliz adorable radiant capitvat (not a typo on my part)

[@NovemberJoy]

It is interesting, but I didn't remember it for the run, and I thankfully didn't need the extra 10 rating points.

[@suvannaberkahjaya5984]

@@RichConnerGMN m8 your in mc speedrunning community and sm64 and now undertale now what

[@UltraLuigi2401]

@@RichConnerGMN Something I'll add is that allur, entic, tantaliz, and captivat (minus the fact that it's misspelled as capitvat) are written like that so that they could be followed by either -e or -ing, since both might be used. That's relevant for the top level comment here that claims that the game recognizes the word "enticing" even though that word isn't actually present in the string "hotfinenticute"

[@RichConnerGMN]

@@UltraLuigi2401 yep you got it

[@Steve606_]

In the Asriel fight, the "Hope" act is given a whole new meaning in this run.

[@NovemberJoy]

It really is, especially since it's almost a necessity to survive. Thanks for the comment!

[@Iam-mc-lovin]

@@NovemberJoy posssst

[@NovemberJoy]

@@Iam-mc-lovin Next video should come soon. I still have to edit it, but plenty of work has been done already.

[@e_s.0848]

Yeah Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.

[@id10tguy]

@@NovemberJoy I love ytbers that actually talk to the comments ❤️

[@spamtongspamton2287]

Something interesting I thought I'd point out for the run: as a characteristic of ALL boss monsters [specifically, the entire Dreemurr family] is that, as they take damage, their defense decreases. You can see this in action in both the Toriel and Asgore fights, as they start taking more damage as their health lowers. Funnily enough, this attribute is even shared to Flowey [Thanks, Toby, for paying attention to detail] in his Omega fight. Another thing worth mentioning is that the Dogi are possible, as they can be spared incredibly quickly without the stick. Just roll once, then check, then do a pet with each one.

[@NovemberJoy]

It is a nice touch, although the only one illustrated in this run is Asgore. I figured the Dogi were possible, but the stick method is faster against most of the Dog Unit. Thanks for the comment!

[@holly0411]

I think it could also be that the game notices you're attacking so it increases your attack... i don't remember where but somewhere in the game it was said that when a creature is determined to strike it will be more powerful or smth like that

[@augustomoreira7441]

So the more damage you do, the more damage they take?

[@CyanicCore]

Undyne does this, I had assumed she was losing confidence.

[@e_s.0848]

Did you mean to use "[" instead of "(" as a detail to your username or am I too far gone? Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

You pretty much have to go out of your way to have Toriel kill you, since the phase ends instantly when your health gets low enough and then they avoid you after that. If you manage, though, you get a shocked expression of Toriel, realizing she just killed you.

[@NovemberJoy]

I think there's only one attack where you can possibly die, so there was never any real danger for this run. Fun to know about, though.

[@SpeedyCheetahCub]

The first KZbinr that I watched play Undertale (I think it was Jacksepticeye?) actually managed to die to Toriel immediately, so ever since then I have always been slightly confused for a moment when people say "Toriel can't kill you" because I know that isn't true lol. I think it's more because I never had a period where I thought that, so if someone originally thinks that but later finds out that she can kill you then they wouldn't be that confused as to why people would still have the misconception.

[@ablunt-headedtreesnake6094]

Yeah that happened to me the first time I played but now I can't even do it on purpose

[@blahthebiste7924]

My first run I died to Toriel over and over

[@LilacMonarch]

it's pretty much impossible to die to her doing this challenge. you have to be moving

[@ChizeSOI]

This just in, man plays Undertale like a standard RPG.

[@NovemberJoy]

It's like a standard RPG because I'm just standing there and taking it...but it's also not like a standard RPG at the same time, because I'm not getting any EXP to help me stand there and take it. It's a mix, I guess.

[@ChizeSOI]

@@NovemberJoy Would be like that one Pokemon run where the guy couldn't kill pokemon.

[@Gamebuilder2000]

@@ChizeSOI well You can't kill Pokemon in any run But you can faint them But I'm assuming they were fainted

[@AshdorCrush9000]

I thought the Temmie Armor was a joke item, and it didn't help much. But damn, that armor is probably better than the heart locket!

[@NovemberJoy]

It has similar defense to the Heart Locket, but it also increases your invincibility time, heals you over time slightly, and boosts your attack power. As its description says, it makes battles too easy. Thanks for the comment!

[@Templarfreak]

the temmie armor also decreases in cost every single time you die in a run, thats a more well-known fact about it but surprisingly still not as commonly known as you'd think

[@NovemberJoy]

@@Templarfreak It's designed so that anyone can complete the game using it. Good thing, because I wouldn't have been able to without it.

[@thefoxking4463]

I mean I guess heart locket is free and it has 99def And temmy armour has 20def(which still does 1 health to every enemy) and costes 1000 gold(while it can be expensive lmao just die to lower the price)

[@Templarfreak]

@@thefoxking4463 the more important stat on the temmie armor is the +invulnerability frames, which only Temmie Armor and the purple soul items affect the additional invulnerability frames is effectively a lot more defense when entire bullets can be totally ignored after having already taken damage recently

[@jerma985_enjoyer4]

This should have more views and likes. Resetting just because of pure RNG of one particular amalgamate is quite painful.

[@NovemberJoy]

It was a little painful, but it was also a relief when I did finally get everything to line up. Thanks for the comment!

[@e_s.0848]

What's RNG again? Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.

[@daryncollins7640]

@@e_s.0848 everyone 1:1 anyone who keeps saying the same thing in every comment/reply is annoying and should just stop

[@racoonwhocannotbekilled9999]

@@e_s.0848 The worst part is you're not even a bot.

[@e_s.0848]

@@racoonwhocannotbekilled9999 Why?

[@outspade]

Somehow, despite how wrong this feels, it's... Heartwarming. One child, defiantly facing every challenge this foreign world throws at it. No guarantee of victory. No solace as they are pelted with everything this world has to offer. Every friendship, every word of encouragement... As the child refuses to bring harm to any who cross their path, even through their harsh circumstances, even though at any second they could fall, never to get back up... It makes it so much more meaningful. Knowing that you are the only thing upholding their hopes and dreams. Like an anchor to them. Unmoving. I think you know where I'm going with this, right? I'll get it over with. It fills you with determination.

[@Evy_Wevy]

r/im14andthisisdeep

[@NovemberJoy]

I do kinda like this comment. It feels weird that someone wrote something like this about a video I put together. Thanks!

[@azurabbit12]

@@Evy_Wevy r/ihavereddit

[@asaghcfgdfuyvhrghflowey9997]

@@Evy_Wevy r/getoutofthisyoutubecommentsection

[@zai-leemoody3651]

"If the patience soul ACTUALLY survived" confirmed.

[@NovemberJoy]

This run made it very apparent why the Patience soul did NOT survive - you'd need a lot of determination to get through the way I did. Thanks for the comment!

[@zai-leemoody3651]

@@NovemberJoy np!

[@f1redr1ve]

undertale light blue leaks?!?!?!?!

[@charmingotter976rr]

@@f1redr1veundertale cyan leaks?

[@ilexdiapason]

patience soul wasn't able to flee from woshua

[@WomanSlayer69420]

Asriel: I have the power of a god and could wipe timelines with a fraction of my power Frisk: I have temmie armour.

[@NovemberJoy]

The ultimate power - armor made by Temmies, for Temmies, of Temmies.

[@rxndomfxndom7405]

Why is this true?!

[@NovemberJoy]

Look inside your heart, you know the Temmie Armor is made of Temmies. And that it's more powerful than seven human souls!

[@DLBookTheGamer]

@@NovemberJoy And, you know, every single monster soul ever (except Napstablook, assuming they have a soul.)

[@FfFf-fc9jp]

Asriel: *I HAVE MY OC WITH EXTREME POWER CAN DO ANYTHING AND CAN ALSO OBLITERATE THE UNIVERSE AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND -* Frisk: hold my temmie armor

[@nintendoboy3605]

Technically since you will have to use Temmie Armor anyway for Asriel Dreemurr you can actually make it past Muffet without skipping her meaning you can beat the game with completing 2 out of 3 of the bonus objectives.

[@NovemberJoy]

Technically, yes, but I didn't feel right violating an optional challenge to complete a different optional challenge. Thanks for the comment, I'll keep this kind of stuff in mind for later videos!

[@alexandthebozos5488]

ozzrial dreamer

[@YellowPhosphor44]

@@alexandthebozos5488 izrel dramor

[@samn4730]

@@YellowPhosphor44 s-riel dwimr

[@coolskeleton9536]

You’re right about the encouragement being more meaningful at the end.

[@NovemberJoy]

Yep, that's what I was going for with the editing. I'm glad it worked out. Thanks for the comment!

[@e_s.0848]

Was that the asriel fight I cant remember Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.

[@oMuStiiA]

I've never played Undertale all the way through myself because I always sucked at the dodging mechanics and figured since I'm the kind of person who'd always want to play pacifist I'd have too hard a time winning. But finding out you can win even without dodging actually makes me willing to give it another try some time lol.

[@NovemberJoy]

I believe in your ability to develop dodging skills! But I guess you can use this as a guide if you're really bad at dodging, too.

[@sagacious03]

From the title, I half-expected this to be a run where you ALSO didn't avoid attacks by not moving, since that can be considered "dodging" of a sort; That is, doing this, but going out of your way to get hit. But I imagine that's nigh-impossible. So, Asriel is only doable with Temmie Armor? Anyway, great run & analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@NovemberJoy]

It would be a lot harder, and also brings muddier rules - how much would you need to intentionally pursue bullets? As far as I can tell, yes. At least, with this exact ruleset I used. With one change, there are ways I can think of, but I'll save those for another video. Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed the video!

[@e_s.0848]

Same Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.

[@12medical]

I learned when I tested Dog Residue, that if you have an empty inventory (with 1 Dog Residue) it will always give you Dog Salad

[@NovemberJoy]

I mean, I can't verify that, but it's possible. I can't check the code for the Dog Residue, after all. It might just be random RNG, though. Thanks for the comment!

[@gaboqv]

uhhm I think last month that I tested this it wasn't the case

[@InsomniacMatt]

What I learned from this is that Temmie armor = wins by doing absolutely nothing

[@NovemberJoy]

Pretty much. It lives up to its description of "makes battles too easy".

[@redweege2929]

the luigi armor

[@7x.x7]

You deserve a prize for doing something incredible. I can see you were *determined* to complete this challenge. 😉 Great video!

[@NovemberJoy]

Thanks! I did spend a decent amount of time strategizing and figuring things out, alongside hoping for RNG to pan out in a few fights. I'm not sure if it's incredible, since there are harder things out there, but it was challenging nevertheless. Hopefully the stuff I have planned is to your liking as well!

[@e_s.0848]

I agree Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.

[@NamekFreakazoid]

@@e_s.0848 shut up dude

[@spindash64]

I’m surprised you didn’t try Resting in the inn before first trying to fight Papyrus. Id have thought about extra 50% max hp would be a godsend for this run

[@NovemberJoy]

I...honestly forgot to do it much in this run, but it might have helped indeed. Not massively, since it's only 10 extra HP, but any extra HP is welcome. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@hagenaubram6341]

@@NovemberJoy forgive me if I'm wrong, and for being extremely late to respond, but with your best attempt and the extra 10 hit points it may make it so you can get through muffet without temmie armor, that I don't know though since I never played Undertale to know the exact time that muffet does so

[@NovemberJoy]

@@hagenaubram6341 It's a good idea, but the main issue with Muffet is that the second cupcake chase attack lasts so long that you won't survive even at max HP, and you can't preserve the extra HP because previous attacks will hit you without fail. Don't worry, it was a good thought!

[@AdamTheKitsune]

I dont think anyone actually knows about this but if you choose Joke on Woshua he hits you for just 1 HP and if Woshua is with Aaron then you can spare Aaron immediately

[@NovemberJoy]

Huh. I actually didn't know that. Thanks for the comment!

[@kristianpadamadan8671]

God, the game brings so many good memories back. The only game that broke me Into tears.

[@NovemberJoy]

It did the same thing to me, but not during a playthrough. It's not the only game that's done so, but it did still get tears from me, and that's hard to do. Thanks for the comment!

[@purpleshutin]

I had a very hard time with Mettaton on a normal playthrough(I've had the game for two years and never finished my first playthrough because of this), so I decided to see if there's anyway this video could help me, and it definitely did. I had no idea you could end the fight by getting to 1200 ratings, and switching the armor out was also a huge help. It also helped me with the Asriel fight just by showing the chaos blaster attack, I had such a hard time during the fight because I didn't know how to dodge it, seeing it without needing to worry about dodging was a huge help even if it wasn't the point of this video. Thank you!

[@NovemberJoy]

Hey, I'm glad this video could help, even if its strategies are definitely not the intended ones in many cases! Glad you managed to get through the game and finish it after two years, and hopefully you enjoyed your experience regardless!

[@markmckittrick2596]

I know madjick wasn’t a problems, here is a madjick trick that might help in future challenges: using the stare action renders his attacks essentially useless, and you can spare him soon after taking away his power that way

[@NovemberJoy]

I was not aware that's what staring does. You can also spare Madjick immediately with the stick, too!

[@pepearmstrong3239]

Really good video, i loved it! This is basically playing undertale like a regular turn based RPG, maybe with a patience soul instead of a determination soul. Surprised you didn't mention the Snowdin inn though, it overheals you and increases your max hp to 30.

[@NovemberJoy]

That's the idea: beating a bullet-hell RPG like a regular RPG is just a fun idea. I...forgot about the Snowdin Inn, I really should have mentioned that at some point. Thanks for the comment!

[@pepearmstrong3239]

@@NovemberJoy I do have a question regarding this run. I assume this needs to take place after at least a single neutral/pacifist run has taken place, otherwise we are forced into the omega flowey fight, correct? kinda wanna try this out for myself so just making sure.

[@NovemberJoy]

@@pepearmstrong3239 Yeah, I used previous save data so I didn't need to fight Omega Flowey. I also didn't need to fight Asgore, but I did because I wanted to try it. If you do try this, hopefully you do have fun with it!

[@i-dont-speak-rus]

Nobody: Absolutely nobody: Me: Is that a Frisk with Patience Soul?

[@NovemberJoy]

Now I'm just imagining the Sans judgement during this run being like "...hey, kid, are you ok? you've been getting beat up pretty bad. you do know you don't have to just stand there and take it, right?" Thanks for the comment!

[@hagenaubram6341]

@@NovemberJoy which would make sense given how sans is

[@NovemberJoy]

@@hagenaubram6341 I imagine it's not even the first time he's seen a kid trying to do this kind of thing.

[@matti.8465]

I didn't even know getting enough ratings in the Mettaton fight would allow you to finish it earlier. I thought that mechanic was mostly cosmetic.

[@NovemberJoy]

That's the kind of thing I had to research beforehand. I also didn't know that swapping armor gave such a huge boost until this run. Thanks for the comment!

[@BarelyAlec]

This was a great challenge and video. Like you said, the Mettaton fight was great, definitely my favorite part of the run! Looking forward to more challenges in the future.

[@NovemberJoy]

Oh, hey, you do challenge runs too! I have more stuff planned, and another one that I'm in the process of streaming, so hopefully you won't have to wait too long. Your stuff's pretty nice too, and I could stand to learn from you. Thanks for the comment!

[@BarelyAlec]

@@NovemberJoy Yeah, challenge runs are by far my favorite type of video to make/watch so I'm always looking out for interesting ones like this. The quality of this video is really great, something I could learn from too since I get lazy especially with my audio.

[@TheBadDeadFox]

You can spare Endogeny amalgamate if you use a stick. Great video! Edit: Nevermind, you did use it

[@NovemberJoy]

Yep. Didn't like having to start the game over to keep the stick, but that's what happens with a point of no return. Thanks for the comment!

[@brinleyhamer729]

also the dogs

[@kuznechiks]

Technically you could just edit your save file to give yourself the stick and that would have been fair but I appreciate your *bravery* to do all of this yourself

[@NovemberJoy]

I could, but that would have felt wrong, not to mention I'd have to look up the structure of Undertale's save files or use someone else's tool for it. Thanks for the comment!

[@kuznechiks]

@@NovemberJoy there's an easy way to edit save files, just search for flowey's time machine, there, you can load your save file and edit the inventory or any other thing

[@ESparkAster]

@@NovemberJoy If I was in that situation I would have just gone through Endogny normally since you know it IS possible, so you could save time and effort.

[@LupineHero]

Very well done, my friend, in both the run and the video itself. I enjoyed it quite a lot, and it was interesting to see it in action after hearing you talk about it while it was in progress.

[@NovemberJoy]

Thanks! I worked pretty hard on it, and I'm glad you enjoyed the final result. I'm still thinking about more challenge runs in the future, especially if you have any ideas.

[@Thetransbread]

After undyne calls the player to meet them in snowdin, the pacifist run is basically locked on and doesnt track your kill count (at least in core) which makes a great exploit for final bosses

[@NovemberJoy]

Pretty much, yeah. I would've done that if I didn't set a goal to complete the run without any glitches for this video. Thanks for the comment!

[@GordonCMB]

Not sure why haven't I watched this video earlier, but I'm glad I did and, holy crap it most definitely deserves more attention! After playing Deltarune for so much time, Undertale looks WAY harder than it initially was! Jeez, glad to hear you did pull it through :) Wish you luck in your future endeavours! Hoping to see Deltarune chapter 1 receive the same treatment 👌

[@NovemberJoy]

Hey, nice to see you here! Glad to hear you enjoyed this video. I honestly thought Deltarune was going to be harder due to turn economy and having less useful tools, but you surprised me with your video. I've got other runs already recorded, but I just haven't edited them together :( Thanks again for the comment. I might think about doing Deltarune later once more of the game is out, since I have a few other videos to edit together first.

[@rhysofsneezingdragon1758]

The music right before the asriel fight really puts this run in perspective. It's stupid, crazy, and would only work if someone was determined enough to throw themselves at a problem over and over

[@NovemberJoy]

Pretty much - so it's just using the power of determination to its logical extreme. Thanks for the comment!

[@lilycreeper5246]

7:57 I would argue that you can move here, there aren't any bullets unless you get it wrong

[@NovemberJoy]

Yeah, but you do take damage, so I just stood there while Mettaton tortured me with electricity live on TV.

[@MassDestruction021]

even if you cant fully complete the run without moving the soul,still pretty impressive that most of the game can be beat by this route

[@NovemberJoy]

You do have to move the soul a time or two, but you don't ever have to dodge attacks by the rules I set. I had a feeling it was possible, but I thought I'd have to use Temmie Armor way earlier than I did! Glad to hear you enjoyed the video.

[@austintherobloxgamer123]

after you get the undyne call in the core entrance, you can kill core monsters without losing pacifist since you're locked in after the call, so you could grind up to around level 14 or 15 for a lot of health

[@NovemberJoy]

Yeah, I could. I specifically banned glitches in this run, though, because I'd also be able to skip plenty of fights if I used them. Thanks for the suggestion, though!

[@heliax9924]

this run sounds really fun actually especially the mettaton fight i wish there were more fight like him honestly good video

[@NovemberJoy]

It definitely has its fun parts, and Mettaton was the most fun one. The puzzle solving that went into this run was the best part, and I'm hoping for more runs that force me to do that. Thanks for the comment!

[@heliax9924]

@@NovemberJoy your welcome if only the undertale community was more nice anyways i notice you did the same with the deltarune i am ganna go watch that soon

[@griddmeirax]

Hey. Did you know you could abuse punch card to infinitely kill and respawn Mettaton EX after you was locked into Pacifist route? That's a lot of grind but you can fight Asriel with hp of lv20 this way. There's even a speedrun for this trick. What do you think about that?

[@NovemberJoy]

I knew about being able to kill without consequence once the True Lab is open in the Windows 1.0 release, but I forgot about murdering an infinite number of Mettaton EXes. If glitches and exploits were allowed in the run, I could've made good use of one of those to avoid needing Temmie Armor. Thanks for the information, and for the comment!

[@funnylittlecreature]

After doing a no-armor no-weapon no-item run, I relate hard to a lot of this, which may say something about my lack of skill...

[@NovemberJoy]

To be fair, it's also a challenge run of its own, albeit one that the game actually recognizes. Thanks for the comment, and don't feel bad about it - a lot of these fights are difficult with base equipment and no healing, I just took on a different challenge.

[@desmondschneider5397]

That’d be hard af! You’re really good at this though, so probably

[@NovemberJoy]

Not sure whether you're referring to this video or another that I might have teased in this one's outro, but either way, I'm glad you have confidence in my abilities!

[@alissaswan5060]

Its so cool that its been 6 years since this game came out and people can still pick it apart because its such a dense game

[@NovemberJoy]

Its RPG mechanics are relatively simple, but there's still enough substance that challenges like this are possible. Thanks for the comment!

[@alissaswan5060]

@@NovemberJoy your welcome! Im glad we are getting the full Deltarune soon, im already in love with both Undertale and Deltarune ch. 1 & 2.

[@TH-jq1dt]

for mettaton ex, boast every time until the quiz as if your on pc you will get infinite ratings until you answer the quiz meaning infinite ratings

[@fortnj]

A very good video! I hope to see more challenge videos like this in the future, for both Undertale and other games.

[@NovemberJoy]

I'm hoping to finally get another challenge run edited together soon. Not quite as difficult as this one was, but it did make me play a game in a totally different way, and that's what I like. Thanks for the comment!

[@theslimeybois4696]

Dude how didn’t I find this video soonerrrr this run looks so hard and painful so props to you for doing it lmao

[@NovemberJoy]

Thank you, hopefully you enjoyed the video! It had its tedious moments, but the best parts felt like solving a puzzle, especially the Mettaton fight.

[@ImGamingNow2010]

Good video! The idea is pretty unique, and the narration is straight to the point and not off-topic. I liked the video, and I hope you do more videos like this in the future!

[@NovemberJoy]

Thanks for the feedback! This is the video that I've put the most work into so far, so I'm glad to hear people enjoy it. I have some work done on more stuff, and I'll try to get something else out soon.

[@MrXemrox]

16:40 All you needed was the stick and play fetch with him, and then you can spare him after that... at least with the PS4 version.

[@NovemberJoy]

That's what I ended up doing. Good thing you can, otherwise I would've needed Temmie Armor to make it through. Thanks for the comment!

[@ahmedswidan1042]

Ive watches skip the tutorial’s video after yours, and it really only gave me that much respect to your run and dedication. Each time he said well that’s impossible or so hard …etc, im like MY BOI DID IT OVER HERE BUDDY AND HE MADE IT LOOK EASY. Kudos to you mate.

[@NovemberJoy]

I still think his video was very well presented and edited, and that I have things to learn from him, but I'm glad to hear I outdid him in one aspect. Thanks for the feedback!

[@Someoneidk7808]

I looked at the credits section, you spared Toby, good job!

[@NovemberJoy]

Well, people would probably get mad if I didn't spare him. He's still got a lot of work to do on Deltarune, after all.

[@pankusfinger]

i think some of these fights could have been made easier due to the fact that in snowdin at any point in the game you can increase your hp to 30/20 in the hotel for 10 extra hp. great video though!

[@NovemberJoy]

It might have made things just a little easier, yeah, but I didn't end up needing it. Thanks for the suggestion, though!

[@LilacMonarch]

i doubt it really would have changed much since it's just starting out a battle with 10 more hp and it would be lost quickly

[@TALONBITE]

Oh wow this is super underrated, you did really well here good job

[@NovemberJoy]

I'm glad you feel that way! I did put plenty of work into this video. I hope whatever I put out in the future will turn out well too. Thanks for the comment!

[@TALONBITE]

@@NovemberJoy the work you put in definitely shows! This is a very high quality video and you should be proud man :)

[@plushiemania]

This is really impressive to me I didn't know half of this stuff was in the game

[@NovemberJoy]

Trust me, weird challenge runs make you explore all your options and learn things you never had to learn before. Thanks for the comment!

[@daryncollins7640]

@@NovemberJoy im just gonna say your the only youtuber i have ever seen who actually responds to all the youtube comments good job i know it takes time so props

[@CyanicCore]

Nice work! This run brought back a lot of memories from both recently and long ago, some of them useful in this run! 1. Normal monsters can be spared if they are on a low enough HP. This did result in my first run accidentally turning neutral, but many monsters could be bypassed this way. 2. Confirmed earlier this week, Undyne may have an easier variant (not sure it's actually easier). Challenge was a clever move to begin with, but fully committing and sticking in the first section longer will eventually cause her to stop turning you green at all, even when you flee and get caught. 3. This isn't a tip, just two funny-ish thoughts: My friend died to the Mad Dummy's knife the one time he tried to play it, which is insane, and I also didn't know the hush puppy existed until trying to circumvent Edogeny. Seriously, why have both that and the stick? 4. It's easily debatable whethere this is really a pacifist run, but at least in older updates the last check for the True Ending was around the True Lab, meaning you can quit the Asriel fight and go to the CORE to grind the remaining scripted monsters. Whether this is better than Temy Armor or not is up to you, but it's enough to grant a lot of extra hp.

[@NovemberJoy]

Alright, I'll address each of these points separately: 1. I've heard about this, but it wasn't something I could easily rely on in fights, especially since I stuck with the Torn Notebook for the rest of the playthrough as soon as it became available. 2. That's an interesting idea, and one I didn't think about! Might be worth messing with at a later date. 3. Yeah, during my off-camera testing of this run I died the same way. I didn't know about the Hush Puppy either, and its stats and properties just mystify me...you have to use a Hot Dog to get it, which means you must spare Papyrus as a minimum, but it heals 65 HP, which is more than you'll have unless you're LV 13 or higher? 4. As long as you can still reach the True Pacifist ending, I consider it valid. That was a thought I had, but I felt it was more important to just play the game without any major glitches or exploits. Maybe I could include it in a video later, to show that you can beat the game under these conditions without Temmie Armor if you're allowed to use glitches and exploits. Thanks for the comment, I like seeing long comments with plenty of substance like this.

[@CyanicCore]

@@NovemberJoy Of course it'd be hard with the torn notebook, but maybe more merciful than devouring Vegetoid? Seriously, how is that still on route? To be fair, I never used the hot dogs/cat either. Almost all of my playtime in the past 2-3 years was loading saves for different bosses... mostly Undyne. I'm glad this comment was able to help..? inform..? whatever! Recently I've been struggling with putting thoughts into writing, and knowing this came out well helped :).

[@NovemberJoy]

@@CyanicCore It was lethal to devour Vegetoid in the demo, but the full release changed it so you only take a bite and recover 5 HP instead of eating the whole thing. I'm glad this is helping you flex your writing muscles. Keep flexing them, then you'll be able to use them for anything you want.

[@CyanicCore]

@@NovemberJoy So you just take a bite out of Vegetoid? While not quite fitting of the term devour, that still doesn't seem pacifistic. Well, UT is unexpectedly weird about what counts as violence. It's implied shooting Mettaton's heart is what blows his limbs off, but none of the yellow soul attacks count. The same goes for the hit options in Undyne's house battle, eating the snowman piece... really anything that doesn't kill.

[@icantthinkofagoodname8002]

I have a feeling your channels will blow up from this. I was here to witness it!

[@NovemberJoy]

As long as I can put out more content like this that people enjoy, maybe so. Thanks for the comment!

[@kotohime]

This video will blow up... Someday.

[@NovemberJoy]

Well, it's already blowing up by my standards, tripling in view count over the past 24 hours. Thanks for the comment!

[@hagenaubram6341]

Definitely did today. I hadn't watched a lick of any form of Undertale content in years and was randomly recommended this video

[@sophiedeergirl]

Neutral is made slightly harder because you take 1 more damage for every 10 hp

[@NovemberJoy]

That is true, but the higher HP still lets you take more hits before falling.

[@sophiedeergirl]

@@NovemberJoy Yes i agree but it is an important thing to consider

[@kikusakiki]

I'm really interested in how the omegaflowey fight would have looked like

[@NovemberJoy]

It would've been watching a soul shatter repeatedly as he beats it down over and over again. It's sad, but it's the truth, because no equipment has any effect on the fight. There's a reason why I used previous save data to skip him.

[@brinleyhamer729]

@@NovemberJoyif you somehow get to the first soul phase then you start after the first soul phase (because you can’t die during a soul phase)

[@matthewcool7535]

This man is a legend. It's been almost a year since he's made this video and he's still replying to comments! Get him up to 1,000 subscribers at least!

[@NovemberJoy]

To be fair, I only had a couple of comments until very recently... This video kinda blew up out of nowhere. I hope I'll make content in the future to deserve that number. Thanks for the comment!

[@667link5]

Amazing video! I never thought it would be possible

[@NovemberJoy]

I didn't either, until I took a shot at it myself. Weird challenges like this are fun to figure out sometimes.

[@purpleben5381]

you can skip lemon bread by going on top of the "save" point and pressing up and down quickly

[@NovemberJoy]

Wait, is that a thing? I'm gonna research that later...

[@RichConnerGMN]

@@NovemberJoy that only works on switch, and you just hold up-left

[@YoungLHProductions]

There is 1.5k comments and i cant find a single one you DIDNT reply to, bro you are CRAZY dedicated to your community, MASSIVE respect

[@NovemberJoy]

There's definitely a couple, but I try to reply to just about everyone! I'm glad you appreciate it. Hopefully I'll do more things worth appreciating in the near future!

[@guffthebir72]

15:05 stick edit: 17:00 unlucky 17:27 nah, if you've already beat them then it makes sense that you shouldn't have to do it again.

[@NovemberJoy]

Yeah, I had no idea the stick was useful there until I didn't have it. Good to hear people are alright with that, I was just hoping to get back quickly so I could get the footage recorded quickly. Thanks for the comment!

[@thefoxking4463]

Or. For Muffet, Just buy a spider food but this time In hotland it will skip the entire fight it will not even start!

[@NovemberJoy]

That's a good idea, but I would probably still count that as skipping Muffet's fight with a spider item. I really wanted to beat her fair and square, but I sadly couldn't do it without Temmie Armor. Thanks for the comment!

[@zionj104]

This is awesome! You should have at _least_ ten times as many subscribers as me; looking forward to seeing your channel blow up!

[@NovemberJoy]

Thank you - I'm looking forward cautiously at this video blowing up. You can make your channel larger as well - it just takes having the right video in the right way, I guess.

[@yureiotakughost9464]

Didnt know there were so many last minute saves in undertale and I can describe entire sections of the game. Guess its because I never considered anyone losing to anything more than once or even getting low to the weak bosses

[@NovemberJoy]

It's designed for people of many different skill levels. While it does mean you can't get anything truly challenging until Waterfall, it helps to acclimate people with dodging bullets, picking options, and aiming attacks. I'm pretty thankful, because I wouldn't have been able to get past Toriel or Papyrus without taking the easy way out. Thanks for the comment, I'm glad you learned something about the game.

[@Templarfreak]

after doing a bit of research, i think there isnt a way to beat muffet in this kind of challenge run while still honoring all the optional challenges. if you couldnt bypass her fight entirely with either using a spider donut in the fight or buying one directly from her, i dont think it would be possible to get past her.

[@NovemberJoy]

I did give it a good try, at least. If those chase attacks didn't last so long, they might be possible to live through. I can't think of any way to do it within these rules either unless I allowed some kind of glitch and that glitch was able to help with surviving Muffet's onslaught. Thanks for the comment!

[@Templarfreak]

@@NovemberJoy most glitches in the game, from my understanding though i could be wrong, are either in the overworld or are caused by debug stuff, which as far as i know there's no way to enable debug stuff inside the game as its running, you can only enable it by modifying the game files. so unfortunately, even as far as glitches go im not sure how much can really help that brutal muffet fight :D

[@RichConnerGMN]

@@Templarfreak you can literally just use the punch card to skip the muffet fight entirely lmao

[@Templarfreak]

@@RichConnerGMN ??? did you not watch the video or did you just completely miss what the point of the optional challenges were?

[@RichConnerGMN]

@@Templarfreak did you read your own reply????? you said "even as far as glitches go im not sure how much can really help that brutal muffet fight"

[@FrogToTheFrog]

13:40 Photoshop Flowey.... That’s like, the main thing that would kill this run XD

[@NovemberJoy]

Absolutely. Thankfully, the run I was basing this off of skipped him with previous save data, so I went by the same logic. Thanks for the comment, hopefully you enjoyed the video!

[@fredtheguy1918]

Holy frick man. How do have a low amount of subscribers with this high quality of a video? Great video!

[@NovemberJoy]

Thank you! It's probably because this is the only video of this quality on my channel right now. I'm planning to change that soon, though.

[@Meme-pg5tw]

the fact that i saw this almost a year late and didnt notice says a lot on how good this vid is

[@NovemberJoy]

I put a lot of effort into it, so I'm glad it shows. Thanks for the feedback!

[@not.sentinel.87]

I never thought this would be possible. Great job man!

[@NovemberJoy]

Honestly, I wasn't sure it was possible either when I gave it a shot, but I'm glad I did. Thanks for the comment!

[@RGC_animation]

Basically, can you beat Undertale if you are a regular monster (Sans is not a regular monster)

[@NovemberJoy]

Sorta, yeah. We sadly don't have the HP that most monsters do, though, so we can't tank the attacks very well, but it definitely didn't stop us from trying!

[@daryncollins7640]

am i the only one who stuck till the end of the outro to see how many names he hit by not moving just to have it end without me knowing the answer it made me feel like the "my dissapointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined" meme

[@NovemberJoy]

I didn't realize someone would want to see that... I'll try not to make that mistake in the future. Thanks for the feedback.

[@daryncollins7640]

@@NovemberJoy lol i was just midly curious

[@ilexdiapason]

i had the same disappointment!

[@purplecat5567]

this is a super entertaining challenge video thank you so much for making it you definitely earned a subscriber

[@NovemberJoy]

Thank you for the positive feedback! I'll try not to disappoint you in the future.

[@Hyndsyte2020]

Whatever happened to Omega Flowey? You skip straight from Asgore to the True Lab without so much as mentioning him. He marks the end of the Neutral Route, which you have to go through to initiate True Pacifist.

[@NovemberJoy]

I talked about him right before going to fight Asgore, mentioning that we didn't actually need to fight Asgore because we had save data from a previous run. I tried Omega Flowey a little bit off-camera, but I don't think that one's beatable without dodging. Thanks for the comment!

[@Hyndsyte2020]

@@NovemberJoy I see. I guess I must have missed that, but you do indeed say so on a second watch. Thanks for clarifying - the run is valid again!

[@AlphaOmega1237]

@@NovemberJoy How is that possible? I thought that the only way to skip his fight was to beat him and then reload the save. How'd you carry that into a new run?

[@NovemberJoy]

@@AlphaOmega1237 All you need to get the calls to start True Pacifist is to have completed a run in the past, even if you reset - I believe Flowey also won't fight you again if you've done that, although I haven't verified that. Thanks for the comment!

[@laplongejunior]

@@AlphaOmega1237 Back in the day the "common knowledge" was that you had to reset to perform a True Pacifist. At the time people had a huge issue with the idea that simply reloading could affect the game... despite that mechanic being a plot point. ;) Funny that nowadays your instinct is that a Reset would cancel the Pacifist access

[@IStoleAllYourCookies]

A great run on a classic game! Was very invested into it. Hopes to more to come.

[@NovemberJoy]

I have more on the way hopefully soon. Thanks for the comment!

[@oliverlam6072]

My first fight with mad dummy was actually really hard since I had forgotten to bring any healing items.

[@NovemberJoy]

That'll do it. Did you try checking the cooler, or did you just win without healing at all?

[@oliverlam6072]

@@NovemberJoy I just went through it without healing at all.

[@chiri4782]

very well structured and fun video honestly expected you to be a bigger creator given the quality of this video, and the unique idea as well. got a subscription from me

[@NovemberJoy]

Thanks! The idea was based on someone else's run, and I'm not the first to do it, but I feel like I did well at the run and the production of the video? I hope you'll enjoy whatever else I put out in the future.

[@Shugunou]

Now we need someone to attempt Genocide. It won't work but I want to see how far they can get. Maybe see how many bosses they can defeat by skipping ones they can't.

[@NovemberJoy]

Hmm... If you bend the rules to allow shield movement, it MIGHT be possible to tank through the red soul attacks for Undyne. Sans, though... There is actually a setup to live through the first attack without dodging, but his attacks are too damaging to survive or to let you attack afterwards. Thanks for the comment!

[@RichConnerGMN]

i know undyne the undying's spears can be janky and allow you to dodge them from the wrong direction sometimes, and on 1.0 you can pick on loox for like 12 hours to get to lv19. also on 1.0 you can get the punch card in genocide to skip sans, so... there IS a chance, but not a very good one. though i can say with certainty that it won't be done rta.

[@Shugunou]

@@RichConnerGMN Although, if we use the same rules as this run, you aren't allowed to use glitches and the spear dodge is a glitch. I believe the punch card thing is a glitch too but it might not be. However, I am pretty sure obtaining the punch card requires a glitch.

[@funnydog8742]

In Principia, Newton described gravity as an ever-present force, a tug that all objects exert on nearby objects. The more mass an object has, the stronger its tug. Increasing the distance between two objects weakens the attraction.

[@NovemberJoy]

Ah, yes, gravity. It was only important for one fight, but it's still an essential force that's essential to learn about.

[@gabrote42]

11:36 I learned the following from NEO 16:44 You could have bought the Hush puppy off the Hotel Hallway to skip it 17:05 :D

[@NovemberJoy]

Yeah, that's something that would've been nice to know beforehand. I'm still confused by the Hush Puppy - you can only get it if you spare Papyrus at a minimum, and it heals 65 HP, which you can't exceed until LV 13...I just don't get it. Thanks for the comment!

[@doggo4325]

Ayo you did great! footage has no visible bad edits, and no bad voice quality!

[@NovemberJoy]

Thanks! That's what I was going for, so it's good to hear.

[@June26A7]

I'm pretty sure you could kill monsters to get more HP and defeat Asriel without Temie armor same as you did on your no ACTing run.

[@NovemberJoy]

I could, yeah! I was trying to do this run without glitches, though, so I wasn't allowing myself to use that. Still interesting to keep in mind, though!

[@purevessle2641]

Solution to tem Armour, in an older update if you get the phone call to deliver the letter to alphys you can go to core and grind till you make the place extinct and have more than 70 hp and a kill count on the save while still having access to true ending.

[@NovemberJoy]

Yep. I actually knew about it, but I wanted to avoid glitches for this run. I did make use of it later, though!

[@aureliamastergoomba1278]

22:47 You got hit by Toby Fox

[@NovemberJoy]

He hit me, but he also gave me the Dog Residue that let me eat garbage to survive and scam Temmie out of thousands, so I think we're even. Thanks for the comment!

[@aureliamastergoomba1278]

You’re welcome!

[@Dragon_David]

Something many players do is, after getting a better defensive item, just use or throw away the bandage that the player starts the game with. But what few people know is that when youre wearing the bandage the game makes every attempt to run away from an encounter successful. Thats useful in challenges like this one.

[@L-and-P]

*You held on to your hopes… *Reduced how much damage you’ll take this turn!

[@NovemberJoy]

With the power of hope and armor made of Temmies, you can survive anything!

[@DogIsCat-Kitten]

7:44 I get to Hotland, much easier than I expected. Undyne half a second later: *dies* I love how it cuts right there 😂

[@NovemberJoy]

That was the idea, I'm glad someone enjoyed this little editing gag I put in there!

[@GennyBoy89]

Man's just reverse no-hit every fight lmao

[@NovemberJoy]

Technically, I did no-hit the Doggo fight...otherwise, yes, it is an interesting inversion of a common challenge. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@andrewwalter7991]

3:55 I did a horizontal only challenge on pacifist and Papyrus is possible if you go to the inn, get as much defense as possible from armor, and have a ton of food

[@NovemberJoy]

I kinda want to see that fight. Runs where your directional movement is only partially restricted are fun. Thanks for the comment!

[@Kajneww]

You know? If you buy spider donut in Muffet station it will skip or just think like you use Tem Armor not donut = 2 chalange complete

[@NovemberJoy]

I was hoping to beat her without using Temmie Armor or using a spider item to skip her fight, though, so those options weren't available. I could have used Temmie Armor, though, I just didn't want to. Thanks for the comment!

[@Kajneww]

@@NovemberJoy I think about "buy" spider Item in Muffet shop before her fight if you buy it she won't start fight and you won't use spider Item...

[@ScottPIayz]

This is really well made for your sub count

[@ScottPIayz]

You even have less than me, yet make way better content

[@NovemberJoy]

@@ScottPIayz I did put a lot of work into making this video happen, so it's good to hear people enjoying it. I think you can put together great videos, too, as long as you've got usable equipment and you're willing to put the time in. Thanks for the comment!

[@ScottPIayz]

@@NovemberJoy no problem, thanks, hope your channel does amazing

[@thegamingplaguedoctor]

If you keep putting out awesome and genius videos I can see you growing insanely fast. This video was amazingly high quality and absolutely fun to watch. Can't wait to see you again!

[@NovemberJoy]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! I hope the next videos won't disappoint. I have a few planned out already. Thanks for the comment!

[@Tetopicalsun]

*Me wondering why he hasn’t made a new video in months, but is active enough to reply to every comment*

[@NovemberJoy]

I have a bad habit of not sticking to things and letting my schedule slip. That, combined with me streaming more often and slacking on the video editing caused it. I'm working on another video right now, though... Fingers crossed people will enjoy it. Thanks for the comment!

[@Tetopicalsun]

@@NovemberJoy Ah I see, have a nice day sir.

[@savvavictorov6973]

5:13 "This is normally a joke encounter that's meant to be easy" Here is my story: Undertale was the first game I ever played, so I had no experience of dodging anything. Long story short, I spent SIX HOURS trying to beat the dummy

[@NovemberJoy]

Oof...that sounds painful. I hope you did eventually get past it: it's the last hurdle you have before you can get Temmie Armor and potentially trivialize the rest of the game. I realize now that comment may have been a little short-sighted.

[@karlsargant3985]

My run Destroy all of the ruins and snowdin areas. Do the same then spare MK and kill undyne normally. Hotland like that. Asgore like normal.

[@NovemberJoy]

Yeah, that's a good route for getting a neutral ending with this kind of restriction. Thanks for the comment, and what LV were you at by the end of that playthrough?

[@karlsargant3985]

@@NovemberJoy it would be about 15

[@karlsargant3985]

@@NovemberJoy well I think, maybe 18

[@idontevenknow9576]

I know this video is 2 years old, but I just had a thought: for Genocide, Sans would be impossible, but I am curious if Undyne the Undying would be possible if you were allowed to turn the shield. I think this would make for a good future challenge, since it could be possible if you go to farm in Glyde room in Snowdin, do only highest exp encounters in waterfall, and do only loox which have been picked on the maximum amount of times in ruins, and use best gear and perfect hits.

[@NovemberJoy]

I think someone else already tried this - sadly, you can't finish her normally before she switches over to red soul attacks, and those kill you very quickly without moving. I think there is technically a TAS-only way to get the Punch Card in a genocide route, though, and you could use that to get the Burnt Pan early and shred her with quadruple crits. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@Shavix]

22:16 those dodges tho

[@NovemberJoy]

So good at dodging, I don't even need to move. Thanks for the comment!

[@Shavix]

@@NovemberJoy yeah, these dodges were the cleanest ones

[@Roebloz]

While I'm not sure how helpful it would be considering they are CORE encounters, but in 1.00 Undyne's phonecall where she asks you to deliver her letter (Which locks you on Pacifist) causes CORE encounters to be re-enabled, meaning you can grind all 40 encounters and get to around LOVE 15, which makes both the Amalgamates and Asriel trivial, even without Temmie Armor.

[@NovemberJoy]

It's true that would work! I made this challenge glitchless, though, so that wouldn't help. If it were allowed, though, it would allow for completing the game without using Temmie Armor, even if Muffet would still be impossible without it. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@Roebloz]

@@NovemberJoy Ah, I see, I wasnt sure if it was allowed in your rules (Since its more of a bug than a proper glitch) and you just weren't aware of it? No problem! At least it makes the Temmie Armor non-compulsory which is definitely cool.

[@GraySheep1717]

This gets the FarmHouse seal of approval

[@NovemberJoy]

Glad to hear it! This is definitely the video of mine I've put the most work into.