Can You CURE Obesity? Ask Dr. John McDougall & Dr. Frank Neelon Discuss the World Famous Rice Diet

[@peter5.056]

Dr. Neelon has the voice of a much younger man. He's 86?!?!? He appears like someone in their 60s, and a healthy person of that age, at that! It's really trippy, actually. If a makeup artist covered up Dr. Neelon's traces of sun damage, and he had a bit of hair color, he could pass for a 50 year old man. I imagine he'll be living as long as Dr Ellsworth Wareham did. Imagine being 86, and having another 2 decades ahead of you, and in health, too! This is what I'm aiming for. Thank God I found this way of eating in my 20s, and largely got myself serious about it. I'm 43 now, and I still look like I'm in my 20s, and feel better than I ever did.

[@GoRodent]

I thought Dr. Neelon said he was 88 years old.

[@deela3615]

Enjoyed Dr. Frank Neelon immensely. Such an intelligent, deep thinking, true gentleman.

[@lizziedripping71]

Both doctors deplore bariatric surgery & I understand why, but after 50 years trying all the diets I went for the surgery. I had not heard of WFPB eating, which is what I eat now. I work extremely hard to follow this way of eating, exercise & follow Chef AJ. ❤️ Everyone around me thinks I am crazy but it works 🤪

[@cindybrown7527]

It’s good to be considered a little crazy, keep that status!

[@lauraeleazer2396]

I enjoyed this immensely as a former “ricer” which is what we called ourselves at the rice house. Seeing Dr. Neelon again brought back so many memories. He is exactly as he seems…incredibly intelligent, a true gentleman, and one of the most caring doctors you could possibly ever be blessed to have…and he loves poetry!!! If you look up the word kind in the dictionary, his face should be there…he is the salt of the earth kind of guy…pardon the pun😂 I always loved that smile and wonderful laugh. I was very successful on this program losing almost 90 lbs but stopped following this way of life and gained a bunch of weight back. The key I have found is sticking to this way of life…eating a plant based diet is now where I’m at and feel as if I’m back home again! Thank you Chef AJ for having Dr Neelon and Dr McDougall on. It was inspiring and motivating! Thank you, Dr. Neelon for caring enough to help us find our way back to what’s most important…living our best life!!❤❤

[@indirajayaraman4758]

I want all Indian doctors to hear this interview about the rice diet. They think diabetes is caused by rice and other carbs. What a pity! If they understood, that it is the oil, ghee, butter and cheese we use in our food, that causes diabetes, so many Indians could be saved from this dreaded disease! I became a vegan from vegetarian thanks to John McDougall's lecture in 2021, Oct I am a long distance runner and tennis player. I feel great at 65. There is a big difference between milk icecream and rice steamed!

[@l21n18]

Are there parts of India that don’t eat those rich foods?

[@Powerpuff772]

@@l21n18if you observe the physiques and diets of poor Indians in rural India. They eat very high carb lower fat diets and remain very slim and healthy.

[@kararaehsler3581]

My jaw dropped when Dr. Neelon said he was 88 and also Dr. McDougall is 75! These two men completely belie their age. What a great interview between two doctors! Thanks, as always, Chef AJ for this content!

[@jinxterx]

AJ said he was 86 so not sure how old he actually is.

[@michaeljohnson2922]

McDougall does not look healthy at all. Dr Neelon looks amazing

[@user-us1vg3bp9v]

Seriously? They both look age appropriate.

[@govegan562]

do we know if he’s vegan? or what he eats?

[@cocodigweed]

This was such a great episode! I love watching Dr. McDougall, but it really is something special listening to his interactions with Dr. Neelon. I can only hope to be so astute as these two in my later years

[@vi3472]

These two doctors are so "young" in so many ways! I would like to be like them when I am their ages! Amazing! I guess keeping busy, intellectually, is one of the keys to staying young! Thank you!

[@kardste8114]

Amen, Dr. Frank! Pray for the injured patients left in the hands of “Managed Care.” Hats off Dr. M. for speaking about the deficiencies of “managed care.”

[@fruitascension5089]

I love his shift in focus from educating & telling people what they should do, to getting people to actually do what they already know to do, and what they really want to do because they know it will lead to better health. (Change "they" to "we", because we all struggle with knowing what diet brings best health and actually doing it, lol) Great interview! 🎯

[@peter5.056]

"When in doubt, measure something." Amazing wisdom in that statement.

[@fruitascension5089]

It's a good reminder. Tailors use it, carpenters use it, can you imagine the chaos if it weren't used? The chaotic diets are the ones that most people get into trouble with. 😁

[@peter5.056]

@@fruitascension5089 Yep, I recently started playing a little game. I estimate the weight of my food (I'm a dietitian, remember;) and then actually weigh it, to see if I'm eyeballing it correctly. And no matter what I do, I underestimate the amount by about 20%. Yesterday, I poured out what I thought was 500 grams of wheat berries, and it was actually 611 grams. I eyeballed a cup of rice, and it was 1.3 cups, lol.....we humans are hopeless. So yeah, a little well-placed measuring can be a good thing;)

[@GoRodent]

Oh my God I couldn't have wished for 2 better guests to be together on your show... thank you so much Chef AJ!!

[@frantiskababicka1167]

So true about needing more books. We know what we need to do!! This society is not encouraging for healthy eating habits. We people should support healthy food restaurants. I am not chronically sick and I take no meds but I always struggle with my weight. Its a life long emotional rollercoaster but I keep fighting. I don’t want to get to far to get sick. Not everyone can fight and be aware like that. Thank you for your help and sharing your knowledge with us.

[@teresagosser8921]

I weighed 115-121 for years and then crept up gradually to 140, which wasn't too bad because I was fit. But then I suddenly gained weight in my early 40s and never lost it. I need to do this. I was 5'6 1/2" and now I'm around 5'5". Age 60. I need to do this diet, maybe the rice diet, consistently. I eat WFPB for awhile and then always fall off the wagon.

[@Scor-ah]

Great chat between 2 doctors that really care about healing people

[@fruitascension5089]

Third time watching this and I'm still getting more out of it. Fourth time watching and I will be taking notes. I could listen to Dr Frank Neelon, and him alone, all day.

[@michellehinshaw2045]

So powerful and so very interesting. . Thank you Dr. McDougall, Dr. Neelon and Chef AJ. . Y'all ROCK!!!

[@pantameowmeow.s.1149]

1:57:28 on - that is an interesting way of putting it - have you used up all the healthy places to put extra calories - that is subcutaneous fat (more or less what Dr. N said). Listen to it, he lists off some of the unhealthy places (viseral fat). I never thought of it this way. These two together with some great Q and A from listeners - so informative and inspirational. Dr. N. is so sharp, his quotes - reminds me of a time gone by where people used to memeorize things. GREAT SHOW! Thanks you Dr. M. for getting him on - and YOU too of cource Chef AJ. The other recent rice diet guest was another winner.

[@shirleymiddleton7593]

I am here Dr.McDougal sptreading the good news aboutt health and a plant based diet after listening to you.

[@livewithaffection6905]

Dr Mcdougall is a real hero because he is outspoken whereas most experts are afraid to boldly speak their truth.

[@mellindahughes7570]

Thank you. I have saved this to watch over and over again!

[@davidpalmisano5115]

Dr Frank Neelon is the truth. Calorie restrictions and measuring. So many people pushing unlimited calories high carb. Frank Neelon is the telling the truth.

[@virginiatozier9957]

Fat ,sick and nearly dead, I'm taking Dr McDougall's advice and it's my third day of the rice diet. The problem has always been constipation so I've had to add greens. I'm hoping that doesn't mess up the program.

[@rblongfellow]

Tremendous! Thank you for getting Dr Nelson on. It is a matter of historical importance.

[@fruitascension5089]

I agree! It's to our advantage to keep this information alive and to the fore. I'm sure the keto diet won't age this well. It's already showing its true colors.

[@bitterandmurky]

Thank you so much for all the great learning!

[@bethany_russell]

Fantastic!!! Much gratitude to these doctors.

[@fruitascension5089]

"Just think about it". People are so ready to say the next thing that they want to say before thinking about and at least acknowledging what was just said by the other person. I would have liked to hear a bit more expansion on what Dr Neelon said about 'seeing the animals', and a little more depth on that.

[@lynnkitty9499]

Fantastic discussion! I found myself smiling ear to ear near the end of the conversation!

[@CHEFAJ]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@l21n18]

One thing Drone thing Dr. Neelon said about calories I’d push back on: while I think it makes sense to do calorie restriction for the kinds of patients he works with, I don’t think counting calories is necessary for most eating strict whole plants. I don’t think people are programmed to over eat on such foods. He says that tribes that walk many miles a day only eat about 2000 calories a day, that might be true for sone, but I’d imagine they are adapted to a lower calorie diet through countless generations. Fact is top athletes eat enormous amounts of calories and are super thin, one couldn’t train as an Olympic athlete in certain sports and only eat 2000 calories a day, sone of them do over 7000 calories

[@lexvermazen6428]

Thank you AJ! That was a wonderful session, very interesting and a lot of new insights. Especially about BMI! I was surprised that Kempner's advise was 20-21 for men and 19-20 for women. My wife is between 19 and 20 I think, but I am 23.4 currently (for years now actually). My goal was to go down below 23, my own thought was that was ideal but maybe I should aim even lower. And in order to get there I might have to cut back on calories as my wife is eating a lot less calories than me. A question, are you sponsored with the balsamic vinegar you give away, or is it just your own gesture? I think it's a very nice gift and I also think we need more of this, that is; sponsors. That would be a way to get more money in the WFPB business, to find sponsors, producers of healthy foods that want to sponsor these programs. Wouldn't it be great if a potato producer would be more aware of that potato's health benefits? Well, maybe they make more money selling them for fries, I don't know, but you get the idea.

[@dianadesilva4877]

Chef AJ could you please ask Dr. McDougall, where are those PDF files he keeps talking about, for the public to read, from Dr. Kempner? This is the 3rd video I have heard him say it. They are supposed to be on his website, but I cannot find them. Thank you for this wonderful interview. By the way, you look more and more beautiful, each time I see you. I still would like the name of your eye shadow. Please. Thanks.

[@missy3240]

This is one of the best episodes yet! Just WOW!!!! 😍

[@bitfinesse]

It really takes understanding, then perpetual practice with consistency in mind. It takes strategy first, THEN tactics. We love Dr. McDougall because his strategy is so clearly defined as to minimize ambiguity. The strategy of making potatoes your staple is such a tremendous help. THEN come the tactics: however you have to get yourself to have your own back and quit lying to yourself is up to you. I think it takes faith to become 100% adherent to SEE how little room there is for fussing around and I think it takes faith to be willing to discover that 100% adherence does not chain your down - being 100% adherent sets you free. There’s tremendous power here: being able to love your body and maintain its mechanisms to reach real health may be the most powerful and the most decisive act of rebellion in which one can possible engage. Forward, friends 👊🏼

[@2t3hr7]

One of the best videos in awhile. Thank you!

[@bitfinesse]

I couldn’t agree more with your gentlemen’s sentiment of moving forward: what are you willing to do for the rest of your life? The way I see it, the world is just too messed up to not be putting everything I eat into Cronometer. I consider fibrous things food and fiberless things drugs. Even things that are actually food need to be titrated, preparing Miso Greens, I’m going heavy broccoli, purple cabbage and light squash. When my squash is gone, I’ll swap it for sparing amounts of eggplant. Squash and eggplant have quite a bit of fat compared to broccoli and purple cabbage. I have white cabbage tonight as well: white is ALL the colors as Dr. McDougall stated in a video I enjoyed earlier today. There’s just no room for indiscriminately dumping things into me. We have to have our own backs. It’s not us - it’s the world. And I can’t just lie down and wait for death because the QUALITY of life suffers. And eating as well as possible feels too good to be thwarted by my ignorance of the ways of the world. All MY excuses ever bought me was regret 🤗

[@peter5.056]

Hey! 1:29:29 I did that for a very long time! I simply would eat according to my weight. If I was over 170, I'd default to eating less until my weight went below 165, and if I was under 160, I'd intentionally eat more until my weight got over 165. But I haven't needed to do that for many years (aside from my peanut butter weight gain disaster of 2020) since my weight is very stable in the 160s, at 6'2".

[@peter5.056]

But I haven't beaten my clients, though I do own a riding crop....and I don't ride horses, lol.

[@corinnacooper4673]

Chef AJ, thanks for all you do to get the message out there for healthy eating. A multivitamin was mentioned if you were to use the rice diet to get things under control. Was a brand ever mentioned?

[@CHEFAJ]

not that I recall

[@rblongfellow]

1:05:45 psoriasis and circulation. Also see observations on "peripheral circulation in psoriasis" se huff 1953

[@fruitascension5089]

Yes! Please have Patient X on! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@ingridneugebauer7562]

Fantastic interview thanks 🙏

[@reneepelletier3021]

Wow, what a treasure! Just amazing, thank you!💜

[@jenny-leighparmley6094]

Love this great episode 👍🏻👍🏻

[@Ally-jn6mt]

This was an amazing show!

[@jj-bp3fr]

But some people have died from low sodium, I imagine if your severely hypertensional, that you must be on low sodium, but those of us who are normal or on the lower end of blood pressure, we enjoy eating sodium, it helps me with more energy, like I plugged into an energetic surge when I take pinches of salt. It tastes very good, my body needs it, I feel better after taking it. I have hypothyroid, heard we need more salt, am I correct in taking pinches of salt? I work out alot and sweat alot, too.

[@yvonneraley3050]

Wow!!!! This is wonderful 👍 ❤❤❤ Thankyou

[@allencrider]

One of the best ones ever!

[@JWSedona]

Can’t wait for the Patient X episode, Chef AJ.

[@karenlapine]

I really love this episode chef AJ. You're beautiful and you're very much needed thank you so much.

[@carolynslack2998]

Great conversation!!!!!

[@theartificialsociety3373]

Calories do count because you can eat a bunch of dry oats. And eat a bunch of anything very easily. The stomach is very big and every fruit and starchy staple tastes so good. So you just have to stop yourself and correct yourself by eating less to compensate for bad days.

[@l21n18]

I’ve never heard of dry oats, I think it’s hard to super overindulge in most plant foods in their natural forms

[@theartificialsociety3373]

@@l21n18 i mean dry oatmeal oats like dry quick oatmeal.

[@l21n18]

@@theartificialsociety3373 never felt like eating them nom-stop

[@lavondahawkins]

What a great interview!

[@bethlaney3104]

Wow, this was fabulous. Learned so much. Will listen to this again!

[@lavondahawkins]

Chef AJ, you look stunning!

[@AmandaGDumas]

I exercise a lot and need to have a fair amount of sodium in my diet. I have had blood tests show low sodium before.

[@debpadulo1359]

Always great shows !

[@betzib8021]

This was AMAZING!

[@peter5.056]

My hypothesis about why malignant hypertension no longer exists in the Western World, is due to fortification of foods with B vitamins. I'm not sure the exact mechanisms, but that's my guess.

[@imrevadasz4564]

There is no mandatory fortification of any food in Germany, and almost all other European countries.

[@peter5.056]

Interesting. Thanks for the replies.

[@etiennerobert6462]

Excelent, thanks.

[@lorrivickery1976]

Can I get info on rice diet portion is it simply 1 cup of cooked rice how much fruit? 1 apple blueberries how much

[@EmpoweringCoach]

depends which book you use,I use 2/3 cooked but that does not sustain me so I had a bit more, one or two fruits depending on which phase? you need one of the books.

[@tinalaplaca6638]

Good question.....who's going to carry on after these guys ?

[@TruckaBilly-TV]

I was going to ask, but I guess I found the answer at 49 minutes… they treated the big guy with 1000 calories a day.

[@Kmt157]

I love your blouse.

[@CHEFAJ]

Thank you!

[@sunshineandhappiness6014]

So good! 😄👍🏻

[@mowthpeece1]

"Doctor, I've been a bad girl, I need a spanking." So Kempner spanked her. And we're supposed to keep a straight face after hearing that information?

[@peter5.056]

Exploiting caloric density is an awfully good heuristic for portion control.

[@MrBDezno]

LOL! Meet Dr. Bart Kay!

[@ajayaiyar9450]

Excellent indeed 🙂

[@tonycat721]

OH AJ, some times i win the battels but i think i am going to loose the war... i just can not stop eating..... i know what to do but my brain is broken with food..

[@efthimios1917]

Gotta eat the right food, like pasta, potatoes, rice etc Eating low fat certainly doesn't put on weight

[@peter5.056]

If you're REALLY craving some truly junky food. I suggest these tricks, to bail you out from a disaster. Eat well seasoned cooked beans, pasta with sauce, pancakes or biscuits made with just flour, water, and leavening. Make a loaf of whole grain bread, and make some toast and jam (hold the butter!) Eat the more processed starches, like pasta, white rice, pancakes (NO ADDED OIL!!!) served with a touch of maple syrup or jam. REALLY fill up your glycogen reserves with starches, and the cravings for absolute garbage foods should go away. If you're having serious junk food cravings, find a starch you like, and go ahead and stuff yourself silly with it. You will reach a limit, where you can't eat anymore, even if you wanted to. And you might "gain weight" from all that starch, but it's not bodyfat; it's water weight. If you fast for a day and a half, you'd notice that you urinate an awful lot, as your body burns through the stored carbohydrate. But long story short, eat more starch, and more concentrated forms of it, if you're having junk food cravings.

[@peter5.056]

@@efthimios1917 Sometimes, I used to think starch had made me gain weight; but if I fast for 24 hours, I urinate out all the "weight gain" and it's clear that I'm the same weight I was before.

[@maryquitecontrary2033]

You might research nutrient density. You can eat a lot of food and feel satisfied, if you eat lower on the food density chart. Chef AJ has a video on this and I like the recipes on the KZbin channel, “Well your world”. They offer several SOS (salt, oil, sugar) free recipes that I find to be fast, easy, delicious and without weird fancy ingredients that you might now have on hand. Chef AJ also has an interview with Dillon of Well your world. I hope this helps. Best wishes.

[@peter5.056]

@@maryquitecontrary2033 Yes, that is good advice, and a great strategy for the long term! However, sometimes, when junk food cravings set in, the only thing that will get those cravings to go away, is a nice higher calorie density meal of - beans and white rice served with corn and tomatoes for example. The higher calorie density foods can turn off a craving.

[@LucieCreates]

For sleep apnea, see James Nestor's book: Breath. Nasal breathing is a magic cure

[@CHEFAJ]

He’s been on the show!

[@CHEFAJ]

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[@LucieCreates]

@@CHEFAJ this was before I discovered your channel! So cool!

[@livewithaffection6905]

Dr Mcdougall is the true master. He sees the whole picture whereas the other doctor is more robotic and won’t vary from a narrow script.

[@olivia9066]

👍❤️

[@bearwithgirl]

"It's not possible to spank someone skinny!!!" 🤣

[@cantstoplion]

🧡🧡🧡🧡

[@MackJn316]

You brought up sleep apnea to Dr Neelon. And in response to his answer concerning it, you mentioned that your husband (who is slim and trim) suffers from the condition. Here’s an article from Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_apnea Maybe it can help…..

[@Serendipity-gj2me]

Chef AJ you look stunning!