Can You Get By with ONLY Haiku?

[@ActionRetro]

Thanks to Harry's for sponsoring this video! Make sure you check out Harry’s next time you’re at Target and let me know what you pick up.

[@BadKarma714]

Hey, this is Anthony I was wearing the blue flight jacket. Got a picture with you it was nice meeting you at VCF SoCal would I be able to run a Lennox off of a USB drive on a Chromebook? Without messing up chrome, OS

[@Lurch-Bot]

I'm betting you have to shave in 6 different directions to get a clean shave too. Sadly, the Manscaped nose hair trimmer was an overpriced scam so all these boutique beauty brands for men are completely off my radar. I'm doing fine with my $50 Braun razor and $25 Wahl trimmer. I've actually been complimented on the fade cut I can do with a basic hair clipper set. Superclips can't even get it right with $500 professional clippers. Thinking of going full Iceman with my next haircut and bleaching it too.

[@EdwardWeissbard]

Harrys fan here, quality razors, worth the price.

[@itisliamhfjone22]

alright

[@TheSulross]

hah! Harry's putting as much attention into a razor's grip as do the manufacturers of concealed carry handguns and their grips

[@lovetoeatallthefood]

I used to use BeOS as my main OS back in the day, for the better part of a decade. Really ought to give Haiku a look again, I even have a few old Thinkpads kicking around that would be perfect for it. I tried out one of the beta releases a few years back, hooked up my old BeOS drive and was amazed at how much R5-era software worked perfectly. It's taken a while, but the Haiku devs have done an incredible job of modernizing BeOS, while preserving the things that made it special.

[@roracle]

It's really good. Not great for everything, especially gaming. But it's very robust. Give it shot on an older system, it'll scream.

[@TechAmbr]

I was quite surprised by the level of support Haiku had for the AMD E-350 I was demoing Haiku on. Sound worked, ethernet worked, USB worked, built-in video worked (with the same caveats as your Whisky Lake Thinkpad, of course). VCF SoCal was a blast and I had a wonderful time exhibiting and checking out everyone's displays. It was fun meeting you in person!

[@the123king]

I have followed Haiku since before the Alpha release days. Even then, it was definitely the most competent FOSS Non-UNIX i had ever played with. It's just such a joy to use. I even daily drove it back then (as much as i could with the flakey Web+ we had back then!)

[@CJCJCJCJ]

⁠@@the123kingtbf, it’s the way it is because its basis was a commercial OS. Haiku has a nice lil advantage

[@TheSulross]

the industry is at the maturity point where vintage computer shows are more interesting and more enjoyable than industry shows like CES

[@Reaperman4711]

I took a work trip bringing only an OUYA once. I survived, and man did I take some interesting walks outside that week.

[@NimhLabs]

... it is 2024, and I'm imagining Team Four Star's take on Alucard, from one of their abridged series, trying to amuse himself with an OUYA...

[@belstar1128]

i mean you don't have to take any electronic technology if you don't get bored quickly and willing to take the risk of not being able to call for help in rare situations

[@No_True_Scotsman]

These days you can do the same with a Steam Deck and actually get by okay

[@NimhLabs]

@@No_True_Scotsman The Steam Deck and the OUYA are not a proper comparison Yes, there are issues with games supporting the Steam Deck... but that is just developers being stupid and stubborn--and chosing to do things the hard way

[@No_True_Scotsman]

@@NimhLabs okay?? What's your point? I'm correct, a Steam Deck is a gaming device that has the functionality of a full computer. That's not wrong, if you don't believe me go look it up.

[@johncate9541]

And a quarter of a century later, BeOS lives again!

[@jackman5840]

At least something made to be like it does.

[@johnpetruna8888]

I frickin' adore this project. Best shenanigans on all of the 'Tube.

[@ctrlaltrees]

In the glow of dawn, Haiku breathes life into keys, ThinkPad's heart pulses.

[@ActionRetro]

What a weird comment Oh, I see what you did there Very funny Rees

[@havetodosmth]

​@ActionRetro haiku (a Japanese poetic genre)

[@channelgogrvk]

this is the year of the haiku desktop, the OS we have always deserved.

[@ImageJPEG]

That “Ethernet connector” that you don’t understand is a dock port.

[@theranguy]

yup correct its for the tund nderbolt docks ethenret port

[@smorrow]

You can get a dongle for it too

[@solowkaver3592]

I'm enjoying Haiku as well. The folks working on it are simply amazing. It has come so far with so few people. I think I could do nearly everything I need to do with Haiku as well. Thanks for the nice video!

[@GeoNeilUK]

I think Haiku (and indeed any other open source OS) has benefitted massively from the broader open FOSS community has so much work goes into software that can be ported (most often from Linux or FreeBSD) Though it would be interesting to see how ReactOS or AROS (or even RISCOS) compares to it.

[@SenileOtaku]

With the added benefit the GNOME devs haven't gotten their grubby hands into it.

[@RylandBingham]

It was cool meeting you. I hope I didn’t seem too incredulous when you told us that you were dairying haiku. That was the first time I saw an x1 carbon thinkpad. Sexy machine. Definitely will keep it in mind next time I’m shopping for a laptop.

[@nakoo]

haiku is such a cool project, i remember checking it out a few years ago and thinking it was so cool! i pick it back up every now and then just to see how development has gone. i look forward to (hopefully) more videos on this!!!

[@Lampe2020]

Haiku doesn't seem to have energy saving mode at all. Not only is it missing from any menus I could find, it's also not sleeping when closing the lid of any of the laptops I installed it on (two newer Dell Latitude and an old HP laptop probably from ~2010-2015). And that is a showstopper for me as I need my laptop to be saving energy while transferring, which can take one to two hours. And sometimes I close the laptop because I don't need it, that is also important. Most often I charge the laptop in the afternoon and it lasts a whole school day with relatively active use, running Ubuntu with KDE in power saving mode.

[@uweburger]

Correct, Haiku has no sleep / suspend mode, luckily it shuts down and boots quite fast ;)

[@johnpinion8033]

How'd you even get it to boot on that Latitude? I've got a Lat 5400 that errors out after the 4th or so icon lights up on boot. I used the "latest" image, I think from Dec '22, and also one of the "nightly"s. What am I missing? Have some intel Chromebooks, which easily boot linux from Ventoy, so maybe I'll try that! Gee, what gives?

[@Lampe2020]

@@johnpinion8033 If you try to boot Haiku from Ventoy it errors out. I got Haiku to boot by simply making an old-fashioned USB install disk and inserting that into the laptop.

[@NicholasHerve]

​@@johnpinion8033​ one of the most common troubles is secure boot, so turn it off if possible, also write your iso to usb with etcher or rufus, it's not always works correctly with ventoy

[@alc5440]

The weird ethernet port is for niche business use cases. If you use a Lenovo dock or adapter it lets you use the onboard ethernet controller which enables vPro. It's got a weird mechanical design because the center is standard Thunderbolt for docks/charging (you can also plug a standard USB C in there) and there's pins around the outside with a different connector to pass through the ethernet signals.

[@jessepatterson8897]

USB c literally killed docks though, as someone who does higher end support for a movie studio. I can’t wait for these OEMs to get this message

[@BastetFurry]

@@jessepatterson8897 Which is somewhat of a good thing as you aren't vendorlocked anymore.

[@jessepatterson8897]

@Furry 100%, and i meant OEMs. I need to just stop commenting while mobile. My company just does USB C monitors that have a Nic, it's been good.

[@real_yanoosh6553]

I've been fascinated about and interested in Haiku for many years now, but never bothered to try it out on real hardware - I was always testing and playing with new releases in VMs. This video finally did it for me and I am currently in the process of installing Haiku on my old Thinkpad X200. The only things missing in Haiku for it to be 100% compatible with what I use this machine for are Wireguard support and Syncthing, but I think I can work around using those. So anyway, thank you for these Haiku videos, I think Haiku is a great initiative and it absolutely deserves this additional bit of popularity you gave to this project with them.

[@channelgogrvk]

i've been following haiku's progress for around a decade now and i've always been fascinated by it. Be, Inc. was fighting an uphill battle the whole time, and probably could have made different marketing choices that _maybe_ would have made it a contender in the market, but sadly it's something we'll never know.

[@nachiopistachio]

10:35 Hey, it’s the after show song!

[@doq]

real nuggets remember when this was the original headphone test song

[@UmarBlox5124]

yes

[@Zeon01]

It isnt still?@@doq

[@doq]

@@Zeon01 nah it got changed way way back to a different TrackTribe track

[@Zeon01]

@@doq noted

[@bibopapa]

Very good video, thanks for promoting Haiku that way, Haiku needs Developer and a promoter like you! Great job!

[@karim2k]

Bros Veteran and I love the way you brought back an old OS to life!

[@agamemnon8163]

Woah he is veteran? Navy?

[@theaveragecactus]

Had most of the same issues. Its a neat project, but i think a few more years to bake and it'll be really nice, actually. To be more specific, hardware acceleration, sleep, display drivers and touchpad support would make it far more usable.

[@MaddTheSane]

So it’s early 2000s Linux?

[@wildmanfujiami5870]

Haiku does at least have the first steps to hardware accelerated graphics, but only for some newer AMD cards that use vulkan, x512 managed to put together a driver with rather promising performance results about a year ago.

[@escapetherace1943]

@@MaddTheSane it's 'mostly stable' which means potentially volatile, runs jack-all and I'm surprised this guy keeps shilling it. The Haiku devs say Linux is too 'loose' in its vision to accomplish what they want from it, which makes no sense because they could package their own distro to form whatever they want. I agree though with them that xorg sucks though

[@theaveragecactus]

@escapetherace1943 I think you're being a little harsh. It obviously has problems but it's not that bad, I don't think it's actually usable for (most) people as a daily driver, though. This is coming from someone who used it for a few weeks on my laptop. also, I want to add I do agree with you on that the Devs could accomplish their goal with a distro of Linux, but I think they don't want to. Not that I'm saying I agree with that, far from it, I exclusively run Linux on my computers, but it's not what THEY want.

[@escapetherace1943]

@@theaveragecactus I still think right now the easiest way to make a new Linux distro that would boom would be to make something arch-based and for a DE have something based on Wayland like Hyprland but easier to configure from a GUI after a fresh install. I can't wait until Xorg adoption goes away but my pc at the moment has problems running wayland

[@danl2073]

I actually bought BeOS in the 90s. Been playing with Haiku for years now.

[@finkelmana]

Key word in that sentence being "playing"

[@billysherman2702]

I remember the announcement of the BeBox and BeOS. Everyone thought it would be the Mac Killer at the time.

[@wildmanfujiami5870]

I remember stumbling on BeOS back in 2000 and my mind was blown how fast, stable, and easy to use it was, I was sure it could easily demolish windows, mac, and linux. nothing could come close to the responsiveness, ease of use, or simplicity.

[@LordManhattan]

Congrats on 100k! 🎉

[@Damaniel3]

The only thing really killing it as a true daily driver is an up to date (and updated) browser. I repurposed an older laptop of mine (a MSI GS60 Ghost) into a Haiku box, and literally every piece of hardware - wired/wireless networking, sound, video, etc - worked out of the box. Falkon is OK, but porting one of the 'big' browsers would make a huge improvement in usability.

[@wildmanfujiami5870]

There was work underway by a volunteer to port the current firefox, I think that is still ongoing.

[@Zigg-d5d]

If Falkon can run that Mac emulator he showed in one of his other videos, that sounds like it's pretty big itself? If it does Javascript and WASM, then what is the need for Firefox??!!

[@swedishpsychopath8795]

You can dim the screen if you use baking paper in front or a black umbrella, etc. Have done it myself and it works perfectly!

[@BasiliskTheBirdGod]

I love haiku so much, and ive even spread the word to some other people whove checked it out. My low power lenovo devices all run it.

[@JoshLiechty]

One of your previous videos inspired me to try Haiku on a Thinkpad P40 Yoga I had lying around. Oddly enough, the touch screen doesn't function in Haiku, but the touch pad works well enough.

[@thethirdpurseowner]

Modern computing In the style of the past So this is Haiku

[@ogrejd]

@12:05 - Man, I miss my old C=1702. Best CRT I ever owned. Got it in '89 and was in perfect working order (despite daily use since it was my TV via a VCR for most of its post C=64/A500 life) up until it suffered a fall in 2013 or 2014... :(

[@happy_apple]

it is amazing how much haiku has advanced

[@Otakunopodcast]

5:51 omg I love it, it reminds me of the "what the hell are we looking at? we're looking at now, sir!" scene in Spaceballs: the Movie! :)

[@ColdSphinX]

1:41 that connector is a combo plug for the Lenovo dock usb-c+power.

[@athstreamsandmore]

I can try get a driver written. Given it is a HID FTY based driver on Windows, I don't see a problem doing that. I wrote drivers for BeOS v5 and 4.5 back in the day when I was learning kernel programming and such.

[@RinoaL]

It's so funny to see somebody show their Micro Center and it's my Micro Center too. lol

[@xcellnt]

I welcome this Haiku evangelism. I hope this will bring more attention to the project and hardware issues will be resolved.

[@MiiaFoxx]

So, Hi, I work in a place that has a bunch of Thinkpads deployed, that extra little dingus next to the Thunderbolt port is for the Thinkpad Ultra Dock. No idea what data it passed through but it does something for that. I also do not recommend ever using the new Ultra Docks though they're garbage and break constantly.

[@plushifoxed]

10:35 Hey, it's the After Show (music)!

[@646464mario]

Good ol Dankpods

[@OneDudeWithACamera]

"Theres nothing you cant do on Haiku" really needs to be their slogan!

[@imark7777777]

4:30 wait a minute if you have four separate flights how are you gonna share headphones? Especially non-wireless headphones?

[@imark7777777]

In case it wasn't obvious ( I am guessing that there's two flights there and two flights back ) but I'm joking that they are each taking separate flights there and back.

[@CPUjunkie]

Loved BeOS on my PentiumII and voodoo 2. BeOS r4 and r4.5 👍

[@MistahMatzah]

I've been playing with this on some of my old terrible laptops - surprisingly functional! I'm trying to get it working on my Fujitsu Lifebook U810 because ... shenanigans.

[@roracle]

I have a laptop with Haiku on it. It's perfect for everything I use the laptop for, which is all single user stuff. Most of the time it's being used it isn't even online, only when I'm updating or installing stuff. I rarely browse the web on it, though.

[@TempoLOOKING]

Doesn't work on the hp stream series

[@SimpleXu]

I have been using Haiku on my T43 for two years, it works great! Make T43 like a modern laptop.

[@nickynikos]

10:35 holdonaminute ! that’s LGR-style smooth jazzy tunes playing here 😂

[@annieworroll4373]

Haiku is fun. If I had time I'd be checking out the bug tracker to try to find something I might be able to fix. I run it in a VM, I'm kind of wondering how well it would run, if it would run at all, on my MacBook... which is Intel, at least, but it's from 2008 with a Core 2 Duo. Last time I had anything in the Haiku family running bare metal was in the long long ago when I was triple booting Windows 98, Red Hat 5.2, and BeOS 4 I think? 5? Dont' remember the version number. I mostly remember how it handled video playback noticeably better than either of the other OSs. These days a potato can play 4k video, back then? 160p could give some systems a bit of trouble. Hardware decoder cards for DVD playback were common.

[@leafpirate]

11:34 was that a Win/PC PowerGlove?? Thought it was DOS but noticed the Hitman 2 sticker.

[@golemwire]

Nice! I've been playing around with Haiku in a VM. It's pretty simple, and I'm excited to see where it goes.

[@Gamerbay2017]

Hello! Congrats on the 100K plaque!

[@SpaceDave3000]

messed with haiku last probably 4 or more years ago, it was okay. Good to see it be someplace stable and useable.

[@junaizin7703]

hey hey, and this Pokemon ROM in Brazilian portuguese, huh? haha a great hug from Brazilian fans 🥰

[@paulojbe]

😂😂😂 notei isso tbm!! Kkk

[@machfront]

Fun stuff, man. I’ve gotten (enjoyably) lazy and doing everything I need on iPadOS or iOS over the last five years (even music creation and production). Having said that, once I have all my machines and such ‘settled down’, I’ve been looking forward to experimenting with my HP2000 running Haiku, actually. So this was fun to see. I kinda can’t wait to find the old gal zipping along again! Heheh 🙂

[@TheDuumiMuumi]

Those X1 Carbons are just lovely little machines! I have X1 Carbon 2nd gen :)

[@Macsneese2345]

Haiku OS runs well on my old laptop And Everything Works Like A Charm! Because Microsoft Already EOS/EOL To Windows XP-7… And Windows 10-11 Sucks At “2.00GHz” CPU And Eating Half Of The RAM… “i have 3GB Ram :/“ Meanwhile HaikuOS Just Use A Bit Of RAM…I Can Surf The Web Perfectly Fine Without Struggling… And Well The Display Is Not 100% Very Responsive Because Its In Beta Stage 😅 “i think its like 65-95%” And Yeah Its Useful For Old Systems…

[@Mitch3D]

What about graphic design and video editing software for Haiku?

[@bublikp]

That was a real heart warming video! Thanks!

[@jose.inestroza]

What a treat of episode. Fantastic content as always.

[@philtkaswahl2124]

Michael MJD has broken me. I keep seeing "but everything goes wrong" in the title even if it actually didn't.

[@questionlp]

The interesting port that incorporates a USB Type C port is used for special ThinkPad docks. I have one on my ThinkPad T14 Gen 2 (AMD) laptop.

[@adjusted-bunny]

My sister spotted some very cute specimen on that exhibition. I think she is going to transform into a nerd just to pursue them.

[@trekintosh]

Hey thanks for signing my Commodore 64 at the show! You probably don’t remember me but sorry for being so awkward, I was honestly just in shock at the size of it all.

[@levimaaia]

Nice video. Thanks for making it out to VCF SoCal!

[@segaboy9894]

I love you man. You are the intersection between LGR and 8-bit-guy.

[@replikvltyoutube3727]

Iirc framebuffer was the thing for BeOS. Like the system had only framebuffer and optimized it instead of forgetting and relying on vendor graphics drivers. So in one way haiku was true to it's origin.

[@ShadowEO]

That much was true that the FB was heavily optimized, but there were third party graphics drivers as the base fallback, at least in r5 was a monochrome FB driver running at 800x600

[@ghohenzollern]

Can't help but notice that in Haiku, xz -V currently returns version 5.6.1, one of the versions affected by the backdoor linux bug everyone was talking about this week. My impression is it specifically affects OSes where some things are done as root that wouldn't normally be in stable releases of Linux, which, pretty sure I'm logged into Haiku as root right now. Given it came from upstream of Linux, could it be in the version of Haiku? Or does xz for Haiku split off from xz for Linux upstream of the backdoor?

[@garynet20]

Nice bossa nova at the end!

[@gabeoravitz]

I can’t believe VCF was happening here and I didn’t know it. I hope you’re coming again next year so I can stop by!

[@destrozar]

I work in the enterprise with Lenovos , T14s and X13s etc. On the x13 it has the same propiortory network connection you need an adaptor which provides RJ45.

[@Brave-Octopus]

VCF will be in Atlanta this summer. Can't wait

[@reizendecamera]

Thanks, I tried Haiku on several PC's but it only works on a HP, not on my Lenovo T450s and not on a very old 32 bit atom laptop.

[@DienerNoUta]

man I love when you make these videos about, I really hope please keep making more in the future!

[@doctorfortrivality]

man has been professionally glazing haiku for months now

[@marcf6806]

4 hour is not that bad for that machine. My work laptop is X1 Carbon 6th Gen, i7 1185G7 that is about 1.5 years old and at best I get about 3-3.5 hours on a full charge, even when it was new it struggled to hit 4 hours. (granted it's a corporate image on the laptop so not the most optimized power settings)

[@Fay7666]

OH SHIT THERE'S A VCF SOCAL? Was always disappointed at seeing that it wasn't a west coast thing, and would've loved to go. Welp, I hope they survive until next year.

[@studiokadaver]

I think it’s a very interesting operating system and I’ve been following it since it was sort of a new thing only thing that’s really held it back. I think is is lack of hardware Acceleration.

[@wildmanfujiami5870]

if you are lucky enough to have the right AMD Radeon GPU there is an experimental hardware accelerated driver that x512 has put together and it has rather promising results thus far.

[@CodingItWrong]

"There's nothing you can't do on Haiku (tm)"

[@NickOfTime99]

I love the X1 Carbons! One of the best laptops ever made. My 4th gen has been a great laptop

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

I wish VCF - Pacific Northwest would make a comeback. California's just too far of a drive for a weekend event, and flying isn't reasonable with the amount of stuff I'd want to bring along.

[@Chompingbits]

Do chrome browser extensions work in Falcon? The lack of my password manager would make using it as a daily driver hard.

[@CommodoreFan64]

I've tried Falkon on Manjaro Gnome Linux, and I'm not the biggest fan as it's a bit sluggish, & the last stable update was all the way back on 12-14-23, with Wikipedia saying back in Nov. but at least on Gnome DE Falkon Browser has the ability to store password using Gnome Keyring, can't speak for other DE's, or OS's like Haiku. So yeah no way I could live with it as my daily browser. Also even Seamonkey is more up to date with the latest Linux release in the AUR having dropped on 1-28-24, so yeah that really says something about Falkon to me.

[@sweeperton]

Recently found your channel and noticed that you just uploaded. Nice

[@VanDerLaars]

I used BeOS back in the 90's but I don't remember much. Tried Haiku for a few days. Can't really say that I understand the desktop design or the thought behind the menus.

[@mojoblues66]

I subscribed at 1:10 "and I stripped Windows 10 off right when I came home"

[@SenileOtaku]

And I was just thinking that this convention/conference hall probably used to have Computer Fairs, where they would have sold this stuff NEW.

[@gorgo75]

on the left side is for the docking station

[@verstrahlt1907]

Nice, that you have tested it. I am afraid that the Expanded Dual Desktop still does not work… Last time I tried the OS - no 2 Monitors

[@wasabinator]

You can daily drive anything given the right croissants.

[@igorperuchi2114]

I’m planning to install Haiku in one of my old netbooks with just 2GB of RAM! And what’s up with that game of Pokémon in Portuguese during your flight?😅

[@zaxchannel2834]

I did that with my Acer, it was surprisingly snappy

[@wildmanfujiami5870]

it should be fine on 2GB, web browser might get kinda hungry though, but the OS will happily run on much less.

[@capability-snob]

I'm surprised you don't disable the ~trackpad~ wrist detector, it's a QOL improvement only rivaled by caps-to-ctrl!

[@jeffvoitek4392]

You def should have parked farther away, the door panels on a 98 jeep are super valuable lol, Thanks for your content.

[@pjmq]

Can you do like, a quarterly update on Haiku running on the carbon? e.g what the latest updates do in terms of improvements, long-term gripes etc. I also think this series should be a stickied post on the Haiku OS (maybe by someone here so you don't have to maintain the post) forums as a way to benchmark Haiku's daily-drive-ability.

[@albin2232]

I watched this video with the sound off just to enjoy your visual charisma. I'm going to play it again with the sound on and image off. I'm a 200% of everything person.

[@zakm0n]

Buying an X1 Carbon from Microcenter means something ENTIRELY different to a 3D printing enthusiast. Thought I got my wires crossed for a minute.

[@DigitalNomad-123]

Interestingly enough, there is a Fedora Workstaion ISO image on the desktop. You wouldn't have considered writing that to a USB stick and booting to that during that week would you?! ;) Somewhere I even have some original BeOS disks kicking around.. wish that would have taken off, if/when I get time I will dig into Haiku now as well.

[@colinstu]

8:43 Falkon is Webkit-based!! None of that chromium junk.

[@DanaDoesStuff]

Does this mean that another annual challenge is in the works?? Maybe in June... Haikune??!? :P

[@rollingtroll]

As someone who can't even have a Linux distro run issue-free for more than an hour, I am sceptical but curious. I got some older laptops laying around, let's see if I can find one that at least has wifi and the proper resolution with Haiku :D.

[@SianaGearz]

I've been to a local VCF event a couple years ago but it was pretty empty, there wasn't much going on at all. I've been going to these events for 2 decades now once every few years, and there's usually been a whole lot more there. At least i didn't catch the HUMAN MALWARE i guess? I wonder if it'll be better this time.

[@brandonphilander661]

Does Haiku have a KVM or Bhyve hypervisor equivalent?

[@TempoLOOKING]

QEMU.

[@rajatanpacelana]

I just installed haiku on my thinkpad T400, and at this moment updating the software...

[@deathdoor]

You can't change brightness with Fn + some Function key? I thought notebooks had control for these things separately and independent of the OS it's running.

[@eDoc2020]

You can on older laptops. By the Core 2 Duo era you usually lost this functionality.

[@georgeh6856]

The trackpad not working would not be a problem for me. I loved the trackpoint; it allowed me to keep my fingers on the home keys and still move the mouse cursor. I have not had a Thinkpad since the early 2000s. If anyone wants to build a keyboard with a trackpoint built-in for the Framework 13 laptop, let me know. I think you would probably have to pay for a very expensive license from IBM or Lenovo, if you could use that invention legally at all.

[@real_yanoosh6553]

Toshiba laptops used trackpoints as well, so I think a license is not required, it might just be not popular. Which is a shame, I love them as well.

[@NormanF62]

An external usb mouse will work.

[@belstar1128]

i dream of a world were this and linux and open bsd have just as much support as windows .