Can You Guess Who The Real George & Bertha Russell Are On HBO's The Gilded Age?

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

❓ Who do you think was the real George Russell❓ Is his character based upon William Kissam Vanderbilt or Commodore Cornelius Vanderbilt❓ And what about Jay Gould❓ Comment and let us know what you think?

[@williamsmith2771]

He’s much more like Jay Gould.

[@donrog5035]

Jay Gould. The actor playing Georges Russel said it himself. His character is inspired by Jay Gould.

[@QueenCityHistory]

When I first started watching it, I thought oh he’s just like jay gould. Mrs russell to me reminds me of Alva Vanderbilt. Her attempt to fight her way to the top of society and her oppression of her daughter

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks for adding to the discussion. I know Gould was a family man and that is certainly being demonstrated so far in the show. Glad you are here!

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes, I saw that clip as well. Thanks for adding your thoughts.

[@neilhupping9106]

So wild when you watch Anderson Cooper on tv and realize these are his direct ancestors

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yep, the Vanderbilts have a whole lot of drama, deception and intrigue in their family line. Maybe that is why Anderson became a serious journalist...to help keep facts and truth alive. Thanks for the comment.

[@lexiev29]

Gloria Vanderbilt known satanist... these are illuminati families.

[@mz.lippey8791]

The Vanderbilt's are satanic cabal lineage! Anderson Cooper's brother's Demise is. questionable!

[@rachelgarber1423]

Yes, and he made it very clear on a PBS or CBS Sunday segment that he wants nothing to do with the Vanderbilt name after the way they treated his grandmother when they took Gloria away from her big sensational story that drew headlines about Poor Little Rich Girl in all the newspapers of the day

[@newtexan1]

Cooper is a shill. Nothing serious about him.

[@p.harvey4401]

I am in love with this series, the punch lines are fascinating, the costumes, romance scenes, it is so exciting to me ❤️❤️💕💥

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes, you have found a good fan base here! Welcome!

[@franklesser5655]

Unlike Bertha Russel, Alva Smith Vanderbilt Belmont was from an educated, wealthy family.

[@lj5801]

Willie K Vanderbilt did inherit $55,000,000, but could not have been the richest man in America in 1885 since his brother Cornelius II inherited $70,000,000 of their father's fortune. Tessie Oelrichs was herself nouveau riche; her father was an Irish (Catholic, no less) immigrant named James G Fair who was a partner in the Comstock Lode silver mines. She was the money in her family, not her husband, as she and her sister "Birdie" (Mrs. Willie K Vanderbilt, Jr) inherited their father's whole mining fortune. FYI: Jim Fair was planning a Nob Hill mansion when he died, but his daughters had no interest in San Francisco property so they built the Fairmont Hotel on daddy's land instead. The term "Robber Baron" was first used for American industrialists in 1870 in The Atlantic Monthly. Whole videos could be done about the antics of both Tessie Oelrichs and Mamie Fish. Another fyi: Ruth Livingston Mills even looked down on Caroline Astor based on the social standing of the Livingstons vs. the Schermerhorns (pronounced as Skermerhorn).

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks for the extra information. It it is always nice to hear from another history buff. Keep the comments coming!

[@vintagegal541]

Thank you for this well researched video. I am watching "The Gilded Age" and have been pausing it to look some of the characters up online to see if they were actual figures. In interviews with Morgan Spector, who plays George Russell, he said that his character is based on Jay Gould. I think that it's a combination, as you said in the video. A funny note on my part is that I can't get beyond the beard and Gould had one. I knew about the Dollar Princesses, but I found a book at my local used bookstore by Anne de Courcy, "The Husband Hunter's". It describes NYC society of the period very well and the individual women who were, I would call, "sold" off to the British aristocracy with Jennie Jerome Churchill being the first in the book. I'll look forward to your next video on Consuelo Vanderbilt. There is quite a bit of an American bloodline in the British aristocracy.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

I am so glad you liked the video. I too find these characters and their history fascinating. I love period pieces and like you, I am constantly looking up the real people being portrayed. That is why I started this channel. I am such a research nut that I thought I might as well share my efforts! Thanks so much input. Greatly appreciate! :)

[@Gilded-girl]

@@fabulouswomeninhistory I'm glad you are doing this. I love all things Vanderbilt! I don't really think Mr. Russell's character is based too much on William K. Just from reading books written by and about Consuelo. She seemed to convey that her dad was a loving and kind person, unlike her mother.

[@vintagegal541]

@@rosequartz4102 Hi Rose Quartz, I'm thinking of that too. She is being treated just as Consuelo Vanderbilt was, like a porcelain doll. I did read somewhere that Julian Fellows was hoping to bring in the young version of Cora Levinson before she married Robert Crawley as one of the Dollar Princesses. I would really enjoy that plot line. Enjoy your week!

[@vintagegal541]

@@fabulouswomeninhistory Wikipedia and the general internet and I are good friends! Keep up your great research....love it!

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes, I think you are on the right track. We are already seeing hints that this is going to happen. Most primarily when we see how Bertha Russell holds back her daughter's coming out. We get the feeling that Bertha is up to no good when it comes to her daughter. Plus, the first dollar princess sets the path a few years earlier so it is not out of line to think that Bertha has a plan. Thanks for commenting. I love it when people love this show and take the drama and history to heart as I do!

[@teresafoster5818]

William II built Eagle's Nest in Centerport NY. The estate had a planetarium and it was turned into a museum. Every school in the vicinity were given access at a very discounted rate. I know my class would visit the estate and planetarium at least 4 times a school year. William had a variety of collections it was like visiting a small Natural History Museum and having a Planetarium 5 minutes away. We had hands on learning of astronomy. I don't know if it was the State, County of request of the Vanderbilts that schools would have access at such reduced costs yet all of these years later I still appreciated the opportunity.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Nice additional information. Thanks for sharing.

[@ArleneBetts]

Thank you so much for this wonderful podcast.! I have just discovered it and joined right away. I will probably watch them over and over and get a feel that I knew them. Thank you once again for your wonderful work.

[@l0bos0lo]

Thanks for your hard work on these videos, really enjoying them! As I understand from an interview with Julien Fellowes, the characters are compilations, so he’s not bound by reality. But, there was a similar incident in history, from Ep.3, where some aldermen were trying the same thing to Vanderbilt, and tried again later by some senators, and both times Vanderbilt outsmarted them, ruining them financially. That’s one thing I really enjoy about the show, it’s drawing from many different things and people. Keep up the great work!

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks for your kind words and insightful comments. I so agree with what you say Fellowes is master of taking an historical backdrop and weaving in a strong story line that is not bound by true facts. This way he can develop his characters and steer the story in ways that the real people lives did not. Thanks for watching and tell us more about what you know of this time in American history!

[@dan_38]

Funny that the Vanderbilts were seen as inspirations when the Vanderbilts were mentioned as being already influential families in the show, during the discussions of the opera house wars

[@pamelamcfadden337]

Having worked for The Preservation Society of Newport County, Newport RI , I was fortunate to have seen many of these " Cottages" .

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

I know, Cottages, right? Glad you are here. :)

[@kellif01]

Jay Gould for now. But Julian Fellows could pull from others of the time.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

I am sure Julian Fellows has done a great deal of research and like you, I am counting on him to provide us with more interesting people as well as delving deeper into the main characters. Thanks for watching and making a comment!

[@Richardsonprincess00]

Let's do the comparison between the old money of the van Rhijn (fictional characters)and the Astor, Fish, or Oelrichs (real characters)?

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes, I am working hard to get to the Van Rhijn family....so interesting. Thanks for the comment!

[@charlynegezze8536]

I discovered your wonderful channel yesterday and subscribed straightaway. Love the subject matter, clear explanations and the fantastic illustrations. I wish you all the best.

[@karensinclair4189]

Think the portrayal is a composite of several families.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks for your input. Julian does seem to have a penchant for just that.

[@m4lteas3]

Obviously the Russell’s are the Vanderbilts. Mrs Astor in history did not initially include them in the 400 for she believes that railway money is dirty money. If not for Alva Smith marrying into the Vanderbilts, they won’t be included into the high society.

[@lilacsunshine3044]

Didn't the Vanderbilts have two sons? One dying in the civil war?

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Correct. Julian Fellows has really hooked into the drama of Alva's intense need to be included. It makes for a great storyline not to mention the tactics of George Russell. I am looking forward to the next episodes!

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

@@lilacsunshine3044 Not sure which Vanderbilts you are referring to. Alva and Wm Kissam had 2 boys but they both lived well into the 20th century.

[@lilacsunshine3044]

@@fabulouswomeninhistory In the documadram'Men who Built America".. Vanderbilt had a son that died in the Civil war..From what I recall only one son remained,

[@arrowversehandon2692]

You should really do a full video on Alva Vanderbilt comparing and contrasting her life/marriage/choices with Berthas

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

So little time...but I agree. Meanwhile check out my video on Alva and Mrs Astor. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJbLfGinm7CkjNU Thanks for commenting.

[@wontoo3for564]

💛 the outfits 👗🌂👚 Except for the ladies "under cage" thing--lol 🎬Some of the outside scenes were filmed upstate in Troy, New York

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes, Troy New York was used. I used to live near there! Thanks for your thoughts.

[@ruthhaywood3473]

Love your video's. Just wish they could be longer. Thank u 💓

[@Michelle-qd9gm]

This series is wonderful to watch loving it 👍

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Glad to hear it! We love it too! Thanks for joining the conversation!

[@amigosindanger]

I think the characters are more inspired by; Bertha Russel in Alva Vanderbilt characterized by her aspirations to be included at the top of the social scale in New York City, now for me George Russel would be inspired by Jay Gould, who although he was a successful businessman amassing a large Fortune and being part of the newcomers new money, their business practices were not recognized as honest, earning the dislike and hatred of many. It should also be noted that the names of the characters of George and Bertha Russell sound somewhat similar to the wealthy characters of George and Bertha Dorset in Edith Wharton's novel; The House of Mirth.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

I did not connect the Russells names to the Dorsets in the book and I think you are spot on. Next video is on Edith Wharton so stay tuned!

[@RoodJood]

Alva remarried on January 11, 1896, to Oliver Hazard Perry Belmont, one of her ex-husband's old friends.[12]

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes, she did after divorcing Vanderbilt. Plus she became a suffragist. I read a very interesting account of this and plan on doing a video on this time of her life later on when we see if the series follows the real life of Alva in later seasons. Thank you for sharing this info.

[@paulleverton9569]

The 9th Duke of Marlborough was the first cousin, and good friend, of Winston Churchill. Winston's father was another English lord, down on his fortune, who married a very rich American - but that was in 1874.

[@LJB103]

I agree with Bertha being Alva Vanderbilt (and daughter Gladys as Consuelo Vanderbilt), I don't see George as Willie K. Vanderbilt. From all that I've read about him (WKV), he didn't have the drive, power or ruthlessness of George Russell. I picture George as being modeled on a slightly later real life person :Edward H. Harriman.

[@keithb9272]

George Russell is based on Jay Gould. I studied the local history of Tarrytown, NY for years while attending Columbia. I focused on the Lyndhurst Castle there that was owned by Jay Gould. I really dove into his life works..etc. This Russell character was absolutely based on Gould. Similar to Vanderbilt? Yes, there are similarities. Do some actual deep research and you'll see.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes, Gould, Vanderbilts, Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie blending into Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg ...ah, I sense a pattern here. They all look alike and I am sure Fellowes can draw from all of them to make his composite character fit the story line he is after. Thanks for the input.

[@stopthelies3973]

Jay Gould is a character frequently mentioned in the show, so Russell cannot be based on him.

[@keithb9272]

@@stopthelies3973 Listen you daft fool, I studied the Gould's estate in Tarrytown intensely for papers at university. I was fascinated with Jay Gould. I was privileged to read his personal journals and such while researching. Whether the show mentions Jay Gould or not, Russel's personality; his tenacity, his lack of a moral code, his deep love of family...even some physical characteristics are absolutely based on him. Come back when you've done some actual academic based research. Otherwise be off with you of subjects for which you're not suited.

[@amab1853]

I'm binge watching the Gilded age show. Because George Russell's character worked in the railroad industry so I wasn't sure if he was based on a Vanderbilt

[@feliciasmith150]

This is a really good show

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

We all love it too!

[@edwarddantoni4372]

Willie K was third generation of wealth and he shared money and business with his brother Cornelius.

[@snowfall7503]

Rockefeller, the railroad empire is kind of a giveaway...

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Rockefeller, Gould, the Vanderbilts...all of the same stock for sure.

[@ltyrell75]

Consuelo eldest granddaughter did marry a man whose last name was Russell

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Oh, that is a new tidbit of info that I bet Fellowes came across. I was wondering how he decided upon the character names , most notably Peggy Scott when I was doing the video about Peggy (out now, see it at kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKC8qWSMdp2iiLc ) Mmmm, makes me wonder even more. Thanks for the comment.

[@willcox4561]

One major error: Cornelius was the son of William H Vanderbilt who was the son of "Commodore" Vanderbilt. When the Commodore died, he willed 90% of his fortune to his son William. William died 8 years later after growing the fortune to $200,000,000. William willed $50,000,000 to each of his two oldest sons. The rest was divided among his other children.

[@venturasunflower1014]

I disagree because they comment on the Vanderbilt throughout this which would eliminate the russells from being Vanderbilt

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Always good to hear how others perceive this topic. Thanks for joining the discussion.

[@jdeux3677]

Right. They did name them, but only as new money

[@1984msmocha]

Supposedly William Kissam had an affair with Alva’s best friend Consuelo (Alva named her only daughter after the so called friend😒) it’s what they say the reason for the divorce was.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Alva was certainly someone you didn't want to cross. Can you imagine the rage at your supposedly best friend. Interesting that they are painting Alva's husband in a different light but I know that the intention of the show, so far, is to build up the idea of a cohesive power couple. We'll see as the story progresses into more seasons as I am sure it will. Thanks for the info!

[@rbeygarcia]

1:04 but the Vanderbilts weren’t Jewish, which in this series plays a large part of why the Russells aren’t accepted in social circles. By none more than Ms Van Rhijn.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Good point. Thanks for your thoughts.

[@Ella-rx2vm]

The Russells aren't Jewish either though.

[@rbeygarcia]

@@Ella-rx2vm Uh yah. It’s like their WHOLE storyline. Have you even seen an episode? How many more tines would you like them both to say it in their dialogue?

[@Ella-rx2vm]

@@rbeygarcia It is not their storyline at all. I have seen every episode, they never say they are Jewish. Nobody else ever says they are Jewish in the show and Julian Fellowes also never said that they were Jewish. What on earth are you talking about?

[@eloisapetermann1823]

Loved the video! Please keep them coming🤓

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thank you! Will do!

[@chuckspoke]

I personally admire the successful men and women of Gilded Age for there in business achievements, there generosity when given, there being employers and America social services. Social rules and protocols were darn ridiculous having too much time and money boredom. Glad HBO highlighted others in society like founder of Red Cross as well. Admire even though went broke they left mark and created institutions that pump out taxpayers every year at Vanderbilt University. Give them national endowment and showcase them on how die broke but leaving your mark for future good. People still gather within social economic class where money isn't guarantee. Not talking about secret society just billionaire and his neighbor seeing here in SF when they wanted to be seen.

[@noldaker]

Commodore Cornelius Vanderbilt

[@alaurito]

Great video, keep doing making it.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks, will do!

[@kdbee6086]

Biltmore Estate is still in the family

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes it is a museum. I lived in Asheville North Carolina for a year and saw it first hand. The grounds are now a sort of public park but you have to pay just to get into the grounds not to mention the house tours. The tradition of making money is still alive and well! Thanks for the comment.

[@kdbee6086]

@@fabulouswomeninhistory I'm from Asheville. My dad actually grew up with Cornelia's sons. I worked on the PR and media teams for the estate for a few years. The fact that the family has been able to hold onto and prosper the estate (where so many of these old estates and mansions were sold off and destroyed as times changed and moved on). Watching Guilded Age, I wonder what his siblings thought when they visited Biltmore.

[@stopthelies3973]

We have heard Caroline Astor and her daughter discussing the Gould family, ergo the Russell’s cannot be the Gould’s.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

The show does like to through in names of actual people from the time period. Thanks for your thoughts.

[@chasenip2]

Not a single person but Bertha is 💯 Alva Vanderbilt, who wasn’t even THE Mrs. Vanderbilt as that was Alice.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

The storyline of Bertha is intended to capture the need, greed and drama of Alva because it makes for such a good show. Maybe we'll see more of her sister in law as the series progresses. The show has been picked up for another season! Yea! THanks fo the comment.

[@chasenip2]

@@fabulouswomeninhistory Yes. I’m thrilled to hear a 2nd season is coming. Full disclosure, I stopped watching after episode 2. I’m bingeing 3 seasons of Succession then I will binge the show. As this show has been in the works for 12 yrs & originally a prequel to Downton & they have name-dropped the Levinson’s, I’m holding onto hope this will really grow on me. I do want more story from the servant class than the first 2 episodes gave us. I still dream about Anderson Cooper finding the right creative types to do an epic period piece about his family. Their story is better than anything fiction. It was jarring for me to hear fictional money class name dropping the real people like the Vanderbilts, Astors, Fish’s. I’m still hopeful tho.

[@chasenip2]

I gotta get over the fact I have read way too much about this period of American history & the Gilded families & lighten up & have fun w/it. I’ll get there.

[@tammybenaytv4631]

I can’t get there. As you, I know too much about the actual time period to enjoy the show. I don’t think that Fellowes (although there were other writers) gets the nuances of American elite. America is just as classiest as England. We just do a better job of hiding it as it is direct opposition to our American Dream bumper sticker. There are so many layers to an old money vs new money war that mostly have nothing to do with actual money. Somehow this show isn’t capturing that. It needs a character like the Dowager to capture the “old way/old money” of thinking. These old money characters are fluff and the new money characters are horrible.

[@wyattrussell7496]

The real Russell’s were the trading company and the guy that started that religious group.

[@paulleverton9569]

The Vanderbilts were onto their fifth generation of rich, establishment patriarchs by the 1880's. Not sure how they could have been considered 'new money'.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Good point. Thanks for your thoughts.

[@Ella-rx2vm]

Third generation, but it is a fact that the Vanderbilts were not accepted into the highest echelons of New York society until Alva Vanderbilt, clever and ambitious like Bertha Russell, engineered their entrance. They were not on Caroline Astor's list of the 400 (= New York high society) until Alva moved the family to 5th Avenue, where they indeed had an insanely expensive palace-like house built, and got Caroline Astor to accept them, leading to acceptance by the other members of the 400.

[@paulleverton9569]

@@Ella-rx2vm But they weren't excluded because they were new money - not if they'd been some of the richest people in New York for three generations.

[@Ella-rx2vm]

@@paulleverton9569 Like Agnes van Rhijn says on the show "The old have been in charge since before the Revolution." So basically the "Old New York", represented by Agnes on the show, liked to claim ancestry from before the Revolution, from the early European settlers. People on the show also like to claim that their ancestors came over on the Mayflower, this is a source of pride. So basically, anyone who did not already have a long family history in New York society, had a difficult time being admitted, as did the Vanderbilts. On the show, they probably made George and Bertha first generation New Money because it heightens the whole thing and makes more sense to the audience.

[@paulleverton9569]

@samantha smith How can someone be 'new money' when they're the fifth generation to be really wealthy ?

[@dmac7403]

If you know anything about history this show can't last long if it's based off the Gould's like y'all think him and his wife died very young.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Good point and I am betting they are hoping that the show lasts as long as Downton Abbey! THanks for the comment.

[@dmac7403]

@@fabulouswomeninhistory I'm thinking they are setting it up for the younger cast to take center stage because of the way their building the secondary characters .

[@weathergage]

Off cause they are not The Real Vanderbilt Family. But maybe thai really are the Vanderbilt Family.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes, the family as a whole has a colorful and well documented history to fit the story line. Thanks for your input.

[@wontoo3for564]

I like "Mrs. Russell". She is feisty and knows what she wants. The Russells support one another as they should. The actress Carrie Coon reminds me of another actress named Audrey Meadows from 📺 "The Honeymooners".

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks for joining the conversation!

[@jailtonnascimento5217]

Excellent!!!

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Many thanks!

[@mollypitcher9380]

Good job!!!

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks!!

[@bascoaful]

The same Spncers as in Princess Diana (Spencer) Windsor?

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes, Princess Diana is connected to aristocracy through the Spencer-Churchill line. So is Winston Churchill.

[@bascoaful]

@@fabulouswomeninhistory oohh i didnt know that about churchill.

[@margaritahonig2196]

Is Consuelo Vanderbilt the mother of Winston Churchill?

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

No, his mother was a different dollar princess by the name of Jennie Spencer. Thanks for joining the conversation!

[@pacwest1000]

Wrong. Russell is based on Jay Gould.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Hi! At kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZOTmaGce8h9g8U I do say that others think it is Jay Gould. Perhaps you didn't make it that far when watching the video. And, yes, I know that the actor playing George has said as much in a couple of interviews. And yes, as the show is progressing, there are more indications that the story line is reflective of some very real history associated with Jay Gould. Maybe it is time for a video on Jay Gould. What do you think? Thanks for joining the conversation!

[@pacwest1000]

@@fabulouswomeninhistory You would have given all the ladies back then a run for their money Charlotte. Yes, a video on the real Jay Gould would be fascinating. His earlier career with his partner Jim Fisk would make a great series in their own right. Black Friday attempt to corner the gold market. Gould and Fisk fought Vanderbilt for control of the Erie Railroad.

[@colourwheel5703]

Very different than Downton Abbey. The characters we’re trying too hard to seem important and significant, they came across as petty and snobbish.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes, it is very different. Different culture, different country, different time in history. The characters reflect who the people were in the late 1800's industrialized cultures of America ie. the ones who had new money trying so hard to be counted in the upper echelons of NY high society and the old money people who were trying so hard to hang on to their prestige (some rooted in European nobility, some not so much). Downton was very different with a different story to tell for sure! Thanks for joining the conversation!

[@sshaw4429]

Vanderbilt’s

[@stopthelies3973]

So the Vanderbilts family is all but bankrupt? WTH happened?

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

There a book about that. You can find it at my bookstore bookshop.org/a/19586/9780062224064

[@greekre]

my feet hurt

[@terrybrown7510]

You mentioned the "Commodore", Cornelius Vanderbilt, but your 1st pics was of his son, only second pic was accurate. And and do not believe George Russell is based on William Kissam at all. He is an amalgamation of railroad barons of the time. William was not devoted to Alva, he cheated, unlike George Russell....

[@iahorvath]

Who WERE the real Russel family.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

I kept going back and forth between the singular family and the plural family members. Had to move on to more important tasks as hand. 😳

[@mz.lippey8791]

The monopoly game is the cabals financial system!

[@stopthelies3973]

Who is this Mamie Fish and why does she always entertain children?

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Video coming soon on this topic. Be sure to subscribe and hit the alert bell to get noticed!

[@anthonyelwick3600]

Isn't Russell a self made man in the show?

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Yes, he is. Thanks for joining the conversation!

[@familyiseverything1617]

this was shot in my town in Troy NY, Troy is full of crap always trying to get and seek attention......

[@dixi1951]

Cast ruins this

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

I wonder which cast members you are thinking of. I know I think Meryl Streep's Louisa Jacobson daughter is a big bore. Glad to hear your thoughts.,

[@dixi1951]

Most boring movie.The Gilded Age.All the actors are not real famous actors.Very disappointing.Can’t imagine pending so much for this.What a bore bad acting.Julian Fellowes is boring .This was a waste.

[@fabulouswomeninhistory]

Thanks for joining the conversation!