Can you Improve a cheap Mitre Saw?? - Is it worth it? - Forme Industrious

[@threeriversforge1997]

Great video as always. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to spend $1000 to fix up a $200 tool so it'd perform like a more expensive version. It's so hard to just stop and admit that there's nothing that can be done! Kudos for stopping yourself before you got too far into it! That's a very valuable lesson that a lot of people need to learn!

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Thanks Vaughn! I go to extraordinary lengths to show my wife that I need the new tool ;)

[@garagemonkeysan]

Great video and lesson. It's hard for us makers to walk away from a project but sometimes it's the best thing to do. Mahalo for sharing! : )

[@anonymousgeorge4321]

Your experience makes me appreciate my old Bosch even more. It's solid as a rock.

[@frogsoda]

Reminds me of when I spent $200 on a Porter-Cable jigsaw and I loved it, until I use my boss's Bosch.

[@-MacCat-]

I wonder if regular maintenance, a bit more care and knowing their limitations might avoid problem with some of the lower end power tools, but the old truism - you get what you pay for - almost always applies and especially when it comes to tools. Thanks for yet another helpful and entertaining post Scott.

[@mdbohica]

You're next video should be of you telling the Mrs. you're getting a Festool. With you wearing body armor, of course... :D

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

I'm working on it Josh. Damn good idea!

[@EpikGamerYT]

@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious Maybe you could make the body armor in one of your video's also, hahaha!!

[@hosshoffer7579]

I have to confess. I often salvage tools that are past their sell by dates. I have machined custom bushes, rewired, and other things for them with the results a mixed bag. I have found that the lower end tools are as you said good for a weekender but unable to take the wear and tear of the higher end models. The higher end models are also more easily repaired. That is not to say that I haven't wasted good time and money trying to "improve" a tool only to be somewhat chagrined at the outcome. But I enjoyed watching this none the less.

[@bafman]

I've had a go at doing the exact same thing - trying to improve a cheaper mitre saw - with the exact same result. It makes shopping around for another cheaper saw way more difficult too. I now have a Festool. :)

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Yes a predictable result. How do you rate the Festool?

[@bafman]

Yeah, I like it a lot. For the reasons Joel mentioned. The dependability/reliability is such a feature you actually forget the issues you were dealing with in the past. I recently did some work in a friends workshop, dealing with cheaper tools, and it hit me how fortunate I was to have tools that simply work the way they're supposed to. It might seem like a small thing but being able to depend on something without checking (and re-checking and re-calibrating) for accuracy makes the whole process that much more enjoyable. Hard to put a price on that I reckon.

[@stevehansen5477]

"I can not recommend it but here, let me show you how." Lovely. Right up there with "Hold my beer."

[@MCsCreations]

Great video, Scott! Thanks a LOT for all the tips! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@rfguy8499]

Thanks Scott. As always an informative video from you and great effort trying to keep that saw working. I too have a lot of heartburn about the astronomical price of the Kapex so I will have to continue to use and keep my 15 year old Porter Cable Miter Saw running. Your video gives me inspiration to keep trying with mine.

[@phil.pinsky]

Fantastic insights. Thanks Scott. It's all about managing expectations.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

100% Phil. Thank you!

[@davestinyworkshop]

great experiment, thanks for sharing.

[@maxbrouggy3126]

Feel your pain, I was working in the steel fabrication and laser cutting industry for lots of years, finding working at home with " handyman " tools now a very hard thing to do, but it is all my budget allows.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Yes, we work with what we have and do our best. Cheers Max.

[@joell439]

👍😎👍. Scott, Thanks for the in depth summary.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Thanks Joel, was a pretty bad saw that one.

[@sgsax]

I've had my eye on a new miter saw for a long time. Until I can afford it, I'll continue getting by with my current one which is definitely not as accurate as I'd like, and also requires a lot of free space in the back for the siding rails. But it at least gets the basic job done. Thanks for sharing!

[@kerouacf0069]

Nice video mate, living rural you will always have jobs to Be done , so plenty more content to come, HOPEFULLY

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

For sure, Cheers!

[@NigelMarston]

Also like the way the Festool can be pushed right back against the wall. Most compound mitre saws need a lot of clearance for the slide mechanism behind the saw. I hope all the manufacturers/designers are thinking about this because I'm in the market for a new one but I don't have "Festool" money.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Yes, very true! Also agree on the Festool; big money but it's a darn good saw if you can justify it.

[@HaroldHill76]

I believe Bosch has a sliding compound saw that doesn't need much wall space because it uses a clever hinge setup rather than rails.

[@minutemark]

I've got a similar saw. Mine was purchased from Harbor Freight. Definitely low end. My housing cracked as well. I'm not a professional wood worker though, so for my needs, my saw will live on. That Diablo blade is a very good blade. That is what I use as well. I don't remember where I picked mine up, but it was on clearance. A very good buy.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

The cheaper saws definitely have their place in the market and are perfect for most users. Yes the Diablo Blade is really nice agreed, though on this saw the blade floated that much you couldn't get a perfectly smooth cut unfortunately. Thanks for your comment Mark!

[@SMee67]

Well that was a bit of a bummer find for you, mate.... Upside is, you get to buy a new tool, now we're all keen to see what you get! 🤔

[@apdj94]

Crazy to me that the price for a same size, same function saw has not changed at all. Bought my Metabo 12" sliding compound dual bevel saw about 3 years ago for the exact same price.

[@jeanloreaud9282]

Pas facile !!!!! A bientôt salut Jeannot 🛠😉

[@dougsaunders8109]

Bought a Festool a couple of weeks back lovely. I have my candles around it with a nice warm blanket at night. Make sure you don’t leave it in damp area, not easy in your amazing part of the world know, can’t look the same as the old one

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Love it, thanks Doug!!

[@louloutb56]

Super vidéo, Scott

[@FixitFingers]

Interesting investigation. Glad I went with my Bosch Axial Glide... a great saw and half the price of the Festool if you are looking. In fact I've got a furniture maker mate who swapped his Kapex out for one he liked it so much!

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Thank you! The Bosch must be good to trade in a Kapex, cheers.

[@FixitFingers]

@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious under powered the Festool apparently, the Bosch got through Aussie hardwood better he said. Burnt out the Kapex motor twice 😅

[@DowneastThunderCreations]

Your video proves it is impossible (or very difficult) to "make a silk purse from a sow's ear." 😁

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Agreed!

[@joandar1]

@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious I was about to write a similar comment and then as always I read the comments, then I see this, DTC has won the Logie. John, Australia.

[@ced0811]

Toujours trés instructif 👍🏻

[@xj9ox]

Yep. It is good advice to get the best tools you can. Sometimes that happens to also be the cheapest and in that case you cheer yourself up with the thought that the tools you have are way more useful to you than the ones you don't have. I bought a Ryobi pedestal drill once years ago and I didn't get to use it for a while. When I did, I found that the morse taper on the quill was bashed about to the point where the chuck would not stay in the drill and the quill had so much run out that I had to go next door to change drill bits. To my disgust, Ryobi agreed that it hadn't been used, at least not noticeably, but they refused to honor any warranty on the machine or even give me a chuck that would hold tight in the quill. I have "repaired" that pedestal drill to a point where it will drill semi-accurate holes but it's still a bit of a dog to use. It will get a milling machine for competition eventually. After those limited dealings with Ryobi, I promised to never buy another Ryobi Tool or to deal with that particular tool shop again. They missed out on quite a few thousand dollars worth of tool purchases by myself and family members and will continue to do so in the future. I know that my decision will not hurt them at all, but that decision has helped me to be more careful with tool purchases and to buy vastly better quality tools when ever possible. Funnily enough, I have a Black & Decker drop saw that's not too vastly different to your sliding job and that has issues too, but different ones to your saw. I still have that saw because it will cut accurately with a bit of coaxing and probably better still if I attended to the faults better. I enjoyed your video and it gave me a few pointers as to where I might be able to improve my saw with out having to buy a new one yet. Thanks. 👍

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Great comment! very much appreciated. Yes a lot of the cheaper stuff is made for people that most likely will not recognise the shortcomings having never used a quality machine to compare it against. I've had plenty of the cheap gear in my time I have to admit.

[@normanspragg5036]

Interesting and enlightening, good video as always… :-)

[@jonsworkshop]

Hi Scott, I have the exact same model, branded as McAlister here in the UK, its about 15 yrs old and in a similar state (minus the crack). I use it for chopping fire wood and kindling etc for which it is perfect! Horses for courses as we say over here. Cheers, Jon

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Thanks Jon! Yes as a basic saw for docking timber its fine, great for fire wood :)

[@oojagapivy]

Looks like Triton took the design from the Bosch that I've got and skimmed it down a bit. I'm happy to see you didn't keep going with our Aussie "she'll be right, I can fix it" attitude.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Thanks Damo. Yes you are right, some things are fine to repair, fix but in this case I had to use some good old common sense.

[@kevinwillis6707]

ive a cheap saw, i shimmed the pivot point on my chopsaw, theres too much play in it so i lock the slides, the detents are crap so i check with a square , its a pile of junk but it gives straight cuts at least. id love a kapex, but wouldnt we all. id say the best upgrade on any saw is a good quality blade. these days i tend to use the table saw with a good mitre guage on it for accurate cuts, love your work mate.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Thanks Kevin. After talking with Joel I'm steering towards the Kapex. I too use the Table saw, but I go from ripping to cross cutting with the sled all the time so I like the convenience of the mitre saw for work flow.

[@RobotJustice]

If your shop space allows it, find an old radial arm saw. They get a bad rap, but if you take the time to read the manual, set them up correctly, and just plain don't do the more ridiculous things they advertise being capable of, it'll beat the pants off that festool or any other miter saw you find, day in day out. Easier to set up dust collection, too. For example, I got mine for free off of craigslist from a guy that had bought it new in the 70's and hardly every used it because he didn't know how to set it up. He'd recently purchased a super expensive miter saw to replace it, and thought he was just having me haul away trash. That old ras, once I got it dialed in properly, is now my most reliable piece of equipment.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Spot on, though like you say, need the space. Thank you for your comment!

[@tomim7187]

I was very curious to see how this video was going to end up and as it turns out it ended up in the bin! Probably the best ending for that saw I could imagine. Save your pennies and get that Festool, I did, finally after 20 years, and don't regret it at all. Cheers!

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Thanks Tom, good advise!

[@josephharrington3530]

Bosch makes a good one. It is hard to justify 2 grand for a saw for me, but i dont work on projects that require as much precision. My dewalt saw has been good enough for me through the years. Good luck on your search!

[@WaterNai]

Discuss the virtues of the Fesstool. When she is onboard with the idea of a quality saw, tell her the price. If she balks, then it will make a quality saw at $1400 or so not look so bad. You might not end up with a Fesstool (which is, admittedly, expensive), but you will get a well-built saw for your workshop. I love how we’re all over here scheming on how to get you a snazzy new saw. 😄

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

That's awesome!! Nice thinking

[@tollietime]

Took a dewalt DWS774 over the festool based on experience and i wasnt sorry, saved a ton of cash and got what i needed from the saw, Festool is good dont get me wrong but $2000 good? no chance when checked against what the competition offers.

[@rachelhunting]

Thanks mate, just made my decision to buy the festool all that more reasonable lol. I'm sure the wide has an expensive shoe or handbag collection she's not told you about lol or do what my dad does buys what he wants stashes it in a corner of the shed and uses it when mum asks his reply is always oh that I've had it for years just don't use it often. She's the same with shoes and handbags. My other half just knows I'm more likely to buy tools than shoes, clothes etc

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

haha! I think I'm just like your Dad :) Thanks for your comment Rach!

[@jimpritz4169]

Scott another thing to consider is your age. You're a young man and will be using a new, quality, expensive saw for many years. The higher cost divided by the number of years you will get to use it makes the higher cost less significant. Try that one on the wife.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

I owe you a beer! I'm 51 in a month. My wife has worked me out, she knows all my tricks ;) Thanks Jim!

[@DIYDumpRat]

Good stuff mate. I have 4 beautiful Makita mitre compounds saws that I've found at the dump. I'm about to do some restoration videos on them of my own. The pins on the Makitas that hold the entire gantry down break through the hole their designed to fit into when not in use all the time. Which isn't a big deal. Interesting tip about the blade cleaning though. I'll be sure to toss that in my vids :) Have you ever tried welding that caste stuff? I've seen a few people on here doing that with sand quite successfully. Might make an interesting vid.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Never tried welding cast to date, worth learning how I suppose. Yes looking forward to seeing your restorations!

[@DIYDumpRat]

@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious hey thanks for subscribing Scott, you made my week!

[@aaronfoster6025]

Phew! Thank goodness. I thought, just stick it in the bin! But you got there eventually. I am wondering what your mid-price compromise is though?

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Thanks Aaron. Probably the Makita or Bosch, leaning towards the Bosch as I have heard that the chrome rods on the Makita do rust.

[@aaronfoster6025]

@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious The Bosch was high on my list. But I was gifted a Dewalt and it is an enormous improvement. The Bosch will wait till I can get a proper workshop. I’m looking forward to seeing what you build next.

[@leslieaustin151]

So did you break the bank and buy a Festool? I have an Evolution Rage 3, and with a metal cutting blade it has to do all my heavy cutting of steel, brass, aluminium and wood. I’m pleased with it for what it is, but I know I’m pushing it. Thanks for an honest video. Les in UK

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Yes I got a Festool, but at half price. I bought a demo. Leaves my old saw in the dust but that should be expected for the retail price. Cheers

[@the_hate_inside1085]

Would have been interesting to see how it performed new.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Yes, but for me it's always had that Arbor Float and have never depended on it for accurate work.

[@matthewschmidt2002]

"Still super sucky" LMAO

[@carlosmit8646]

Offcourse i don't know what your budget is, butt i also didn't have 'Festool money'. So in my opinion i bought the next best thing, the Bosch Blue GCM 12 GDL mitre saw. Very good saw, almost no play or wobble anywhere, and cuts like a dream... maybe it's helpfull to you.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Thanks Carlo, yes very helpful!

[@PiazzaWoodWorks]

Sorry mate but that thing belongs at the tip. The new Makita 12” LS1219L saw i have, performs better than the equivalent festool, but each to their own

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Yep, that's where it is now. Thanks for the tip on the Makita!

[@PiazzaWoodWorks]

@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious hope you sort one out soon mate, My 36v Makita 190mm saw Is very capable also, Worst Makita saw I have is the LS1018L Almost same build as your triton She’s just a good chop saw and gets abused daily.

[@rodolfomiguelserra]

Amigo, no entendí bien pero creo que quién vendió esa máquina como usada ocultó que tuvo una caída o un golpe lo suficientemente fuerte como para crear ese problema de oscilación en su disco. Al ser su cuerpo fabricado en fundición de alumínio una rajadura dificilmente pueda ser soldada, pienso. Adquirir un nuevo cuerpo imagino que sería un inconveniente pues se debería entrar en contacto con su fabricante y quién sabe a esta altura quizás ese modelo esté fuera de catálogo. Realmente viéndolo de esa manera ...es sí un problema. Por otro lado y conociéndo tu profesionalidad, sólo tú podrías haber llegado a lo profundo del problema, quizás otra persona seguiría usándola en esas condiciones con resultados opuestos a los esperados. Excelente demostración de conocimiento y responsabilidad! Abrazo, amigo!

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

¡Gracias! ¡Siempre me das una excelente respuesta y te lo agradezco mucho! Esto es lo que vio mi padrastro. Lo compró nuevo justo antes de fallecer. Se lo compré a mi madre. Sí, la grieta hizo que la sierra fuera peligrosa y tampoco me pareció aconsejable reparar la oscilación de la hoja debido a problemas de desgaste desconocidos. ¡Todo lo mejor!

[@thebmac]

That crack could have been a good chance to try out some of those aluminium brazing rods. Good investigative research though.

[@jakeolmstead]

good choice

[@iniestabarcastoichkov310]

👍👏desde Barcelona,la traducción en español😉🤷‍♂️

[@PaulMcGuinness]

I have a number of tools in pieces at the moment 😂 - Including a screw-lathe.... I will put it back together... honest.....

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Haha, I trust your honesty Paul!

[@peterb327]

I brought an ozito does the job for rough job but anything with finesse wouldn't even think about it

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Don't tell anyone but I have an Ozito also......but with a smashed handle.....might have dropped it

[@peterb327]

@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious promise I won't 😅😅 they have their place sometimes

[@dominiquebellebault4760]

Coucou de France toute scie à onglet a droit à une belle💓 restauration Bisou

[@عليالبطبوطي-غ3خ]

مبدع مبدع

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

أول تعليق! شكرا لك!

[@popefang]

The local mens shed advertised their Festtool equipment on gumtree and I was astounded by the prices. Right, uh, ok

[@CP-du3ci]

How has Joel got on with the refit on the older Festool saw that was published back in January?

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Joel's saw? Working perfectly. He bought it back around 2007.

[@CP-du3ci]

@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious SO is mine but check out the Festool Website. There is a refit of the saw for a potential fire hazard. It is certainly in the UK and the USA so I assume it's down your way as well. It applies to the older saws from 2007 and there is a serial number checker to verify if the saw needs a refit.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

@@CP-du3ci Okay, thank you for that! I will let Joel know. Important info

[@TakamiWoodshop]

I was gonna say bin it but I thought that might sound a bit rude. Lo and behold, watching till the end of the video, which I *_never_* usually do, what do we have here! Well it was a nice try anyway Scott, and you didn't really bin that blade as well did you. ..obviously.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

I put the blade on my new Ozito haha. Thanks for watching even part of my videos Rob

[@TakamiWoodshop]

@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious 🤣🤣 new Ozito saw...

[@mastermaker666]

Should be possible to bolt a piece of steel across that crack some JB-welt in the crack and under the steel and using some additional clamps to clamp it into alignment while the JB cures...( triangular piece of cut-to-fit plywood JB'd in place in that cutout would also give that area a lot more strength) Although using this as an excuse to get a new and much better saw would always be the better option...............

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Thanks Thomas, yes I thought of that and decided it had to many shortcomings and was not much fun to use. Great excuse to get the new tool like you say :)

[@michaeljones6832]

Buy a Makita mate, same level of accuracy but $1k cheaper. Also check out AvE on track saws if interested

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

I plan on looking into all the saws. Got some homework to do. Happy to look at AvE, always good for a laugh. Cheers

[@glennmoreland6457]

Don't expect a product aimed at domestic users to perform adequately in a commercial workshop environment. If you want an industrial grade machine then go for something by Wadkin, Dominion or Cooksley.... Heavy, pricy....but available.... Oh, and you'll need 3 phase as well to run em....

[@Josef_R]

My Harbor Freight $50 chop saw is a cheap tool. $300 is expensive. But my HF has none of the problems you showed on yours.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Yes sometimes it's hit and miss, also it depends on what you use the saw for. If you have a saw that meets your needs and it's cheap I'm all for that.

[@oakleyjack7600]

Buy Joel’s and let him get a shiny new one to replace his,,,I know he will give you a keen bargain on his old one 😆🤧.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Good idea!

[@richardgroom988]

The saw blade has a lot to with accurate cutting I manufactured saw blades for 30 years and 10 to 25 though run-out was acceptable You get what you pay for

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

So true

[@starforged]

The next video will have you using a Festool. A well deserved Festool.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Luck was on my side recently. I've picked up a Demo Mitre saw and stand for half price. Saw was never used other than set up. So right you are!

[@starforged]

@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious Congratulations. Now show us what you can do.

[@Goalsplus]

Do we all get caught in the budget vs quality battle?

[@65cj55]

Someone send the Man a good Saw.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

I'll put some milk and cookies out!

[@markweiner4430]

Ship it to New York and let Hand Tool Rescue do a complete restoration.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Too late, it's scraped due to that blade wobble, but I kept the blade.

[@AlbiesProductsOnline]

I purchased an old ryobi drop saw that turned out to have a cast iron base it weighs 48kg it will take a Mack truck to crack it 🤣

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

48kg! That's got to be rock solid.

[@mrtnsnp]

The blade seems alright, unfortunately it doesn't spin by itself. Come to think of it: *fortunately* it doesn't spin by itself.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Haha, yes fortunately.

[@iniestabarcastoichkov310]

Scott,tu idioma es inglés,la gente que habla inglés,ya te entiende,y traduce el video en inglés,subtitulado en inglés,yo soy español,en España se habla español o castellano,en sudamericano se habla español,somos muchos millones de personas que hablamos español,por que la traducion no es en español,no hace falta que la traducion sea en inglés,los subtítulos,🤷‍♂️

[@steeleanderson1172]

For such a well designed saw the trigger grip on the festool mitre saw is the dumbest un-ergonomic design flaw, in a tool I've ever seen. Anyone with any RSI or arthritis will struggle to use this. Seriously, put your hand out in front of you like you're shaking hands with a ghost, then tilt your wrist up and grip. How is that comfortable?

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Well, um.......I just got one yesterday half price, with stand, demo model unused for less than any other quality saw. Lucky for me I have no RSI or Arthritis. I'm going to have to put up with it I guess :)

[@PeanutsDadForever]

Thanks. I have a Triton. 😭🇦🇺👴🏻

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Yours might be better than mine. That wobble in the blade was there from the start so I probably scored a dud.

[@meetn2veg]

Lower end tools "built to a price" tend not to be built with servicing in mind - take that motor for example.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Agreed!

[@vanda01z]

top

[@john-rn8fi]

💪💪💪👍👍👍👍

[@tonycerfontyne9150]

Bin it mate, it's long past it's use by date

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

It's binned! Gonski

[@andy1982222]

Hey wtf u in Townsville

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Yep

[@andy1982222]

Been following for a long time now and just realised haha

[@andy1982222]

That hangar building is that your shop?

[@glennbrown1961]

Just make sure to rinse your toothbrush WELL!

[@surinfarmwest6645]

You get what you pay for ..... especially with tools.

[@timothydalton90]

Improving a cheap? More like restoring an old 😄

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Cheap, old and dead, well it is now unfortunately.

[@stewartfrye]

I've used woodworking tools in my career for 40 years. I personally believe your thinking is wrong. Your trying to get a tool to do what it isn't designed for. A miter saw is just that, Its not a radial arm saw, it's not meant to have a sliding blade, these are all compromises by manufacturers to get more functionality out of one tool. I use a crosscut jig for wide cuts, I use a miter saw for miters/angles, and most of all, If I need accuracy I use a table saw. Your buying snake oil. And do not get me talking about cordless tools, the most expensive and irritating tools to use. I love the argument that their cordless, and the first thing plugged in on the job is the recharger base,, laughable. I still use the drill/corded Milwaukee 1/2" hole shooter I bought is 1983. Never cost me a dime, if I had bought batteries since then I would pay over 900.00 instead of the 70.00 I spent on it, and it never needs charging

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

I appreciate your comment Stewart. I was highlighting the limitations of these cheaper saws but also hoping to resolve my blade wobble to no avail. I know what you mean about the cordless tools. They become obsolete very fast due to battery technology ever changing.

[@DDB168]

It'd be worth keeping it outside as a firewood chopper. I guess you dont light too many of those in FNQ right ? 😂

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

You got it :) It's dead and buried unfortunately

[@scarffracker1918]

Festool is the brand for people with more money than sense. Hilariously overpriced.

[@tobus71]

Buy once, cry once.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Good advise.

[@battlebotts]

Cha cha cha china!

[@mattsadventureswithart5764]

Yours is absolutely NOT helped by the corrosion...

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

True.

[@428Mario]

Figured we would see some real hints on how to improve a cheap machine to make it more usable. But you got lazy and ran out of imagination for video subject matter.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

Sounds like I disappointed you, though thanks for the feedback all the same. The video was highlighting that the cheaper saws are almost impossible to get the same high standard as the expensive saws and people should be realistic for what the cheaper saws can do. About all you can do is fit a good blade. I didn't get lazy, I dismantled the saw, tried fixing serious issues and realised the futility.

[@428Mario]

@@ScottTurnerformeindustrious actually you started down a decent path and then stopped. There is certainly a way to fix the backlash in the spindle and true the blade surface. The angled parts are a matter of figuring out the error and allowing for it. Time vs money, which do you have the most of? The disappointment was seeing the title of the video and not seeing it thru.

[@ScottTurnerformeindustrious]

@@428Mario Again, I appreciate the feedback Mario.