Cancel Culture, Trump & How I Lost Trust In The Media | Bret Easton Ellis | POLITICS | Rubin Report

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[@r13hd22]

1999? Star Wars EP 1, Sixth Sense, Toy Story 2, The Matrix, The Mummy, American Beauty, Austin Powers Spy Who Shagged Me, The Green Mile, Cider House Rules...OFFICE SPACE! 8MM, Lock, Stock and two smoking barrels, South Park the movie, WIld WIld West, American Pie and hey...THE 13TH WARRIOR!!! So many great movies that year. Also found it odd that Bret talks about fan films the way he does and says they are about nostalgia and not creating when many of the fan films created more than the Disney Star Wars movies did, which were wrapped up in trying to bring up feelings of nostalgia while pushing a social narrative.

[@keithe.bilitsky833]

The 70's and 80's did have a freedom that the millennials will never know. Freedom was in the air, you could taste it, feel it, smell it. It was uninhibited freedom. Miss it.

[@stupidtreehugger]

Early April 2020, 08:34 Brett just casually gives a couple of little coughs into the room, doesn't even put his hand to his mouth. # freedom ?

[@dannybrooks2784]

Refreshing to hear a gay man say he is so much more than who he wants to be with.

[@juvenalredivius1077]

Some help gay people because they are gay. Others help them because they are people.

[@cocochanel6495]

My moment was when Trump had just finished a speech during the Primaries. He had spoken about some specific policies that he would implement. CNN reported what he said, it was literally the opposite of what he actually talked about. I was totally shocked, even though my belief in the MSM had already waned. This was my moment of truth. I realized that the media was willing to totally lie, bold faced and in your face for its agenda. We all have a moment!

[@robinsnest4306]

Coco Chanel great for you for recognizing that! I think most ppl don’t pay attention !

[@deedeemooreco.2304]

Coco Chanel Me too. Though mine was more during the Obama administration when they kept contradicting themselves, lying about Obamacare (you must pass it to read it. You can keep your doctors, etc), lying about illegal immigrants, etc., etc.

[@deedeemooreco.2304]

SadButTrue Yes. Search Pelosi saying that.

[@marietonee79]

Coco Chanel totally can relate to u, same moment as yours! Couldn’t believe it! My go to news CNN??? Now FAKE news!!!since 2016. Reporting the opposite whatever Trump had said! I will NeVEr go back as a Democrat ever again! Disgusting & shameful!😤

[@Dude-tv6cj]

That’s the moment that everyone needs to experience!

[@b2tall239]

Canceled my Rolling Stone subscription after 9/11. Canceled my NYT subscription about 10 yrs ago. No longer used CNN as my homepage starting about 7 or 8 yrs ago. Stopped watching ESPN or going to their website a couple of yrs ago. And I'm not even a conservative.

[@KD-rs6xx]

I'm more like you. I now call myself anti-liberal, even though I'm not a classic conservative.

[@b2tall239]

@@KD-rs6xx I'm a MOR Independent who leans towards "classic" liberalism. What separates me from these lefty nutcases is that I don't subscribe to the victim culture or to identity politics, and I'm real big on personal responsibility. I had previously voted for both (R)s and (D)s at various levels of government but I think it's going to be a while before I cast another vote for a (D).

[@anthonybrett]

"And I'm not even a conservative..." According to "them" you are. Don't worry mate, I know what you mean, There's nothing more terrifying then some bastard moving the "line in the sand" while you not looking.

[@Nano0k]

​@@anthonybrett I often say the "right" didn't have to lift a finger to de facto redpill me. I still consider myself a liberal-leaning Libertarian, wondering WTF happened? I've never voted R in my life, but I'm not keen on gulags, so rethinking that strategy.

[@anthonybrett]

@@Nano0k "I often say the "right" didn't have to lift a finger to de facto redpill me." Exactly! I was the same. What's the saying... "they moved the goal posts"...I'm more of the opinion they moved the whole field from under us. haha Cheers

[@avertthymortaleyes3460]

Great guest. The way he described how california used to be in his childhood was so nostalgic for me. I'm from cali but was born in the 80s and I know that freedom he was referring to. Now you couldnt pay me to go back.

[@sonomaview]

The only rule we had was "Come home when the street lights come on".

[@bertram9852]

Hear hear

[@juliet3827]

What changed, specifically?

[@jaceebrynne49]

@@juliet3827 the uptight, arrogant, and judgemental elitists

[@haldorasgirson9463]

I lived in LA in the early 80's. Except for the traffic I loved living there.

[@AMetroid]

Politics has replaced religion as people moral core. Thus when faced with a successful politician from "not their team", it creates an existential crises. And the only way they know how to deal with it is the eliminating the source, because, of course, there's nothing wrong with them.

[@spacepan]

Politics has always been the only authentic religion. This is why religious belief tends to tailor itself to political belief.

[@debusen81]

spacepan interesting

[@spacepan]

@@debusen81 I made a video about this called "Reverse Pascal's Wager"

[@debusen81]

spacepan ok I’ve watched and commented ;)

[@viperstriker4728]

@@spacepan I disagree, though we might be defining religion differently. Religion attempts to answer 3 questions, where did we come from, what are we suppose to do (purpose in life), and what happens after we die. Politics really only cares about what we are suppose to do. I would argue that politics actually tailors itself to religion in most circumstances, since the 2 questions that politics doesn't care about shape what we believe on many issues. To give an example, gay marriage is considered wrong in several religions but it really doesn't effect the state so why was it illegal if religion is just a reflection of politics? Now it is legal but religion hasn't bent to match what politics decided. If we look at Ben Shapiro he will say its a sin while at the same time advocating that the government not have anything to do with marriage, demonstrating that he has religion and politics existing separately. I apologizes if you answer some of this in your video already, I will try to watch it when I have more time.

[@contactjklett]

He's right, grew up in LA in the 1960's, started hitchhiking at 13 (as in "Mom were going to the beach" and she would say try to be back by dinner time) down to Laguna Beach and Doheny with surfboards, never waited more than 5 minutes for a ride, at 16 got a car, gas was 19 cents a gallon and it was surf North County San Diego or San Clemente, and be back home by 8 PM, then drive to Hollywood by 10 PM; then back down to the beach, maybe Huntington or Newport, surf all day; maybe ditch school on Monday and drive up to Big Bear or Arrowhead and go skiing, cruise Bob's Big Boy Drive on Colorado Blvd in Pasadena every night where there would be 200 hot cars, Saturday Night it was the Pasadena Civic where it was the Righteous Brothers or Jan and Dean or the Everly Brothers, Dick Dale and the Deltones and you could dance right up to them because the stage was only 6 inches off the dance floor, one Saturday night the Youngbloods opened, followed by Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, then Bob Dylan came on and did a 45 minute acoustic set, followed by 45 minute electric which he opened with "Like a Rolling Stone", saw the Rolling Stones in 64 at the Long Beach Arena, Mick was 21 years old, at the Shrine Auditorium you'd see Hendrix, or Pink Floyd with Spencer Davis and Fleetwood Mac, the Bee Gees were backed up by the London philharmonic who opened for Cream at the Anaheim Convention Center, the Doors played for my Senior Class cost us $2000 bucks and all those tickets? Under $10 bucks and you know what? We took it all for granted because. . . it was LA. . .

[@1973deepee]

Holy shit, man. I'm mashing the OMG button right into the motherboard. I was a country kid in mid-Ohio in the '60s. On any given summer day I could go outdoors and smell either corn or hog shit depending on the direction of the wind that day. Thank you so much for your comment. I am immeasurably pleased that some on this planet lived the SoCal scene and didn't suffer the dullness of nothing cool going on for a hundred miles, and no way to get there. I got out; looked around, and then came right back. What I found is that where one is - though some places on this planet are decidedly more stimulating than others - doesn't determine happiness or lack thereof but, rather, what's going on in one's head. I'm at peace here in "The Valley of Kings" in mid-Ohio. You won't find that on any map; it's part of the history of this valley which, by the way, some say is Ohio's version of the Napa Valley, but with corn/soybeans (nobody raises pigs anymore); not grapes. It's all good; so good; if we decide to make it so. Love your comment.

[@keelsmac01]

John Klett I grew up outside LA. Moved to T.O. At 17..my first apt. Then moved to the valley at about 20? What a time to be alive! I always knew it was great..but I appreciate my younger yrs so much more. I loathe the iPhone. (Any cell phone) I want our freedom back! We went out and lived!

[@owenbenjaminshapiro6285]

John Klett, amazing depiction of 60's LA! Now, it's a cesspool of decadence, homelessness, crime, illegal immigrants, mind boggling wealth disparity. I wonder where the modern version of 60's LA is now...

[@KD-rs6xx]

I'm from Vermont, and we had a blast in the 70s. I hitchhiked DAILY through highschool, and I'm female.....

[@SRWill64]

Yeah, I grew up on the Oregon coast during the late 60s through the early 80s and life was great. We didn't worry about being kidnapped or abducted and sold into slavery, didn't have a care in the world as we roamed around the mountains and around the small coastal towns, went fishing, as long as we told mom and dad where we were going to be. It was probably the best time of my life until I moved to Reno in the mid-80s and had a lot of fun there...then I got stupid and got married. There was no fun after that. After my ex left in 2011, I found fun again!

[@kenoath1429]

Some time around September 2015 I had drinks on a Friday afternoon with my wife and some of her teaching colleagues. This was at a hotel , the table situated on a footpath outside the establishment. I sat there sipping my tequila and bitter lemon and just listened to the conversation/s burbling around me. A woman made a comment about the candidate Donald Trump , rather jokingly disparaging about him but nothing too outre. I said the following : I would probably vote for Trump. Now, my wifes closest friend /teaching colleague shifted in his seat ... a lot. This went on for about 10 minutes , during which he stared at me. He finally exploded and SCREAMED at me a speech about how we can argue about about political differences and finally we can agree to disagree. His face was beetroot red when he spat out his boilerplate speech, and spittle flew across the 3 odd feet separating us and landed in my drink. When he was finished with his rant, he was shaking . I actually thought for a minute he was going to get violent. Heres the punchline tho... 2 years later, I havent seen this guy at all and my wife invites him to her birthday celebration at a restaurant. He wont go unless i promise NOT TO TALK ABOUT POLITICS. I agree to this , huh, and at the event itself i am talking to my daughters boyfriend about the meme war in 2016 and 4 chan/pol. And again he actually shouted the speech at me. So the TDS thing is very very real and how it was allowed to ossify in the culture is something that really needs close examination.

[@SRWill64]

Blame mainstream media and the people who suck that swill up instead of looking for the truth.

[@wendyslittleprogram3984]

So many of us have a story about someone screaming in our face, beetroot red, foaming at the mouth about Trump. It really is a phenomenon that needs explaining.

[@susanjames6211]

Yes! TDS is an interesting psychological phenomenon! I believe there'll be non-political books written about it, eventually! For now TDS is still evolving. Those nuts are reaching new levels/more advanced stages! It's troubling to think about where it ends with them. I don't doubt some of them will spontaneously combust!

[@umiluv]

TDS is absolutely real. I had a similar experience with a friend. I said I was going to vote for Trump and her nostrils flared, her eyes bulged, she started breathing heavily. She was having a fight/flight moment. Even though our kids were on a play date, she told me right then and there that we couldn’t be friends anymore. A hysterical reaction. The media has really done a number on these people with TDS. It’s terrifying.

[@Nikotheleepic]

The people with such opinions tend to have the mind of a narcissistic toddler who needs THEIR WAY

[@caroltosi2518]

"They lost judgement with Trump..." Truer words were never spoken! Excellent discussion!

[@SRWill64]

Hate can blind people more than actual blindness.

[@lukeschuckenbrock5370]

I never knew Rubin was gay. This new knowledge has no impact on the way I perceive him.

[@MagerBlutooth]

I keep forgetting and getting reminded. Doesn't really change anything each time it happens.

[@BeedingWimmington]

Mager Blutooth haha 😂 every other word is gay outta this guy

[@heatherwaite445]

Lucas Schuckenbrock I didn’t know Dave was gay for a long time, I’ve watched some clips of this video earlier in the week and didn’t know this guest was gay either. Makes ya wonder if the lispy speech and feminine mannerisms of gays on the left isn’t natural...

[@Garrus1995]

A person’s sexuality should be of no real importance. People should be judged by their behavior and values, unlike the identity politics sociopaths who seem to think that immutable characteristics are all that matters about you.

[@nangephriam1211]

Me too...... I always felt something about Dave and not until I came to know that he is gay which settled everything.

[@skizeranosk]

It's refreshing to hear a conversation between people who think for themselves.

[@bradmarsh3923]

It's great to see THE AWAKENING in progress.

[@charlyduck9459]

Mr. Rubin, I love your interviews and your guests. They are done in such a way that I feel like I am there, participating in the conversation. You make your audience feel included in the conversation. I just love it! Really enjoyed your interview with Mr. Ellis.

[@SpecialBlanket]

I also didn't come out-- never heard someone else say that. I was gay in Texas and I just... dated other people of the same sex, since always. If someone saw/heard about my love life, then they knew. If it didn't come up, they didn't. I imagine many people knew? What's weird is that my mother had her own sort of Coming Out Incident without me; I thought she already knew but one day she I guess "found out" (because I was wearing a pride button during Pride, as I had been in charge of producing them for a local Pride event-- this was a long time ago when pride actually was worth having because of the stigma, so other kids wouldn't think they were the only gay/bi/etc kids in the whole school, but like-- it obviously wasn't a secret if I was a Pride organizer) and had a whole tearful thing about it while I just stood there like "Um.... Okay?" And then she told me how she had Told my dad, so I was like, okay. Then later I mentioned something about my partner to my dad or something (in a normal way) and he I guess had been asleep when my mother tearfully told him that night in bed LMAO, and then he had a whole thing too! So tl;dr other people want there to be a big Coming Out thing even if you don't care. Hopefully now that it's 2020 people will stop giving a shit and people can stop announcing it.

[@endless3cho]

I've always wondered why it still goes on when it's more accepted than a lot of "traditional" things seem to be. I also wonder why ppl choose to identify themselves by one aspect of who they are. I, too, grew up in Texas, and honestly, we knew who was and wasn't gay but it didn't matter at all. This was in the early '90s.

[@KatJaguar1122]

I’m a lesbian on the right. I miss the old days when Pride events had a purpose and were enjoyable and not nuts. I cannot STAND them now. Sad.

[@SRWill64]

@@endless3cho And now in Texas, they want to tell parents if their kid is gay. As I understand most parents in Texas don't accept that and they still have 'pray the gay away' camps that are nothing more than legalized child abuse. Those should be outlawed in every state and several southern states still have them.

[@maskandvaccinefreeandproud2110]

That was amusing. Thank for sharing. Respect my friend.

[@nobodysfool2232]

Brett’s position and way of expressing it is so spot on. I wish I could express my opinions so well, but he’s already doing a great job doing it

[@joemeyers3127]

Good conversation. Like a throwback to the days when talk shows weren’t just about plugging.

[@richardflyger1110]

That was a great conversation guys, the fall of institutions is something that concerns me, too many marvel films concerns me less. Good to see you can have a relationship with someone when you're both on different sides of the political wall. More, more, more please.

[@jeffmattax]

Born in 64, I know exactly what Ellis is talking about growing up during that time. Get home from school, my Mom, "Be home by suppertime." Break your arm and my Mom/Dad wouldn't act like it was a 4 alarm emergency. Usually a debate who would take me or brothers to the E.R. this time around. Summertime: Up early and outside All day...have lunch at someone's house and go 100 mph until you just dropped from exhaustion. Get up, and do it all over again. You always knew the store you could get some cheap ass beer without being I.D.'d. Great music..good times to grow up.

[@MountainFisher]

It was even better if you grew up in 52 and turning 18 in 1970, but only if you missed The Draft. Ended in '71.

[@leithsapitan1428]

I was born in Southern Indiana in 1964. Same sitch but girl. We didn't spend much time at home. It was wonderful. 8 live in Free Florida now, love it.

[@royruther4895]

If anyone ever told me I'd be watching a debate between two gay, liberal men..... AND agreeing with them... I would have told them they were crazy. But here I am. Giving a big thumbs up to the both of you. It's refreshing hearing a voice of reason. Keep up the great work. Just for clarity sake, I'm a straight, old, conservative white guy. I have never had a problem with anyone having their choice of lifestyle. And that's my 2 cents.

[@AuntMaggie]

Rubin please have Trump on your show - I can totally seeing him doing it. Maybe from Mara Lago ?

[@Ghalion666]

Probably too busy now. Maybe after his 2nd term.

[@laureldevine]

Yes, after this whole "virus" nonsense is over...Maybe Dave can meet him at a rally! That would be epic!!

[@Ghalion666]

Personally Id like to see tucker carlson pt2

[@wakeupamerica5971]

I think Dave would get a kick out of him, politics aside, apparently trump is a kick ass person and his personality would be a riot on this show .

[@Ghalion666]

@@wakeupamerica5971 thats true. I think people would like to see trump at an angle from a perspective that isnt just another stupid gotcha hitpiece attempt for a change. Still though. Im pretty sure rubin would be happy to, but trump just is too busy currently.

[@kevinbutler9786]

Speaking to the people that are getting divorced over politics, how do you get to the point with your spouse that you would believe the media propaganda that if they like Trump they must be a bad person over the years of living with the person everyday? That is fascinating and blows my mind. Having said that, the thought of trying to date a far leftist is just so unpalatable to me and I don't understand how anybody does it in the first place. In my experience, leftist tend to be awful people in general. Not always, but in the last ten years or so I have seen them coalesce into this drone like lockstep ideology that I just want nothing to do with.

[@MWoods-rs4wp]

Most people would just figure out while dating that they were not compatible with that person and not get married. Today’s generation seems to be quick to marry someone without knowing them and what they hold dear to them politically, morally, and the foundations of a relationship are not strong. Ultimately, it’s not necessarily people getting a divorce over Trump, as they don’t hold equal belief s in the things that create a stable foundation.

[@christopherprim1973]

Wow. His description of LA in the 70's as a kid is SO SPOT ON! Media influence, probably corporate culture, and certainly parents have A LOT to do with how people are these days.

[@kiwisoup1301]

I think for me it was when I started hearing people talking 'I'm right leaning' or 'I'm left' or worse trying to tell me what I am. I've never voted the same way every time and always saw myself as someone with a mind of my own. It's gone so far and the media is responsible for getting everyone whipped up into such a state of anger. I completely understand why he doesn't vote. And it's a conversation that I do my utmost to avoid with friends and family because I do not want to fall out with them over something like this. A wise man once said nothing.

[@eyeofthestorm9438]

Man we love the Rubin Report. Such an informative channel. Inspired us to start our own!

[@sylvanbear7125]

There was even more freedom for a kid growing up in Gardena in the 1950's, and still more so for his Dad growing up in Hollywood in the 1930's. (Yes, there were people living in Hollywood who were not in "the business".) It was paradisical.

[@FriskyOCallahan]

I had no idea who Mr. Ellis is, but I'm glad I watched. Great interview and conversation as always.

[@mariaguzman1552]

Rubin, I love the guests you have on your show. People are so interesting. I just saw you on the Gregg Gutfel show, you were very authentic and funny.

[@candide]

Terrific interview. Thank you both!

[@trailer.prince]

as an Asian whos always looked up to Bret, I can't imagine how anyone truly could be offended by his tweet.. breh

[@alanabush555]

Bret Ellis is the kind of thinker I'd enjoy debating with. It's an old, old truism, but if we all agreed on everything, it would be a boring world. Time to revitalize Robert's Rules of Order and have civil discussions on important issue affecting America and the West.

[@process_error84]

Love this guys clarity. Refreshing

[@Comoroo]

Funny how it turned into Siskel & Ebert at the end 😂 Great interview. Loved it. Keep up the good work man 👍🏽

[@richardlefaive1944]

Listening to Brett describe his genX youth on the west coast ... I completely recognized my own experience. It was identical. It just seems to b very different now. The biggest differences in my view are: - tolerance for unconventional views. Live and let live. - those in charge of institutions gave agendas. Back then everyone was just trying to manage their own shit. - sadly ... immimigration has been a large factor in these changes.

[@romie426]

I love the gays! Especially ones on the right. From a hetero stuck here in CT with liberal idiots. Great interview boys, keep em coming ( no pun intended )

[@deesantiago368]

romie426 you won the comments with this one!

[@KD-rs6xx]

I'm in southern Maine, so I get it.

[@debusen81]

There’s no pun

[@richardmcleod1930]

I have always been drawn to the movies made in Hollywood when the Studio System was in full bloom. I love the Actors from Gary Cooper, Orson Welles, Miriam Hopkins, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford. C. Aubrey Smith, Betty Field, Robert Cummings, Gloria Swanson, William Holden, Judy Holiday, Rosiland Russell, Olivia de Havilland and that list goes on and on and on. I enjoy those films when the Studio System existed with all the censorship imaginable, but oddly that period was the most creative period in the history of film and all prior to the days of computer graphics.

[@lonbaker9241]

Wonderful interview and great discussion. Much broader that just politics.

[@susanchace4912]

I love that line........"the left (dems) has lost judgement".

[@owenbenjaminshapiro6285]

It's worse than that. They've lost their sanity

[@thomasfholland]

I was born in 1960 and I loved growing up in the West San Fernando. There were less people and not only weren’t we PC but there still were orange tree groves. We had a lot of illegal fun.

[@Marcus_972]

Such an odd world that an East Texas country white guy like me is so excited to watch these two talk. Absolutely fantastic episode with an amazing guest.

[@jc6594]

Even though I voted for Reagan in '85 at the age of 18, I was a progressive Republican. I started listening to Rush Limbaugh's radio show through Syracuse's AM radio station WSYR around '88 & '89 when I was in college. I kept saying to Rush (talking back to the radio) "Yeah, yeah" until something clicked. I discovered he was telling the truth about our culture & media. I learned how to dissect what I was listening to as well as what I was watching (concerning the media). I thoroughly enjoyed his television show and taped every episode. Dad, who was also a Republican, was mad at me for only listening to Rush. He thought I couldn't think for myself, but Rush helped me think logically, which is seldom seen in today's media. I live 15 minutes outside of Ithaca, NY, which is known to be ten square miles surrounded by reality. I was born there, and love the nature surrounding it, but that's about it. Some in the gay community think I'm crazy for believing in my positions. At first, I would post what I believed on facebook, but then hid back in 'the closet' so as not to offend anyone. I started to post articles after Sanders revealed more of his socialist stance. Now I throw caution to the wind. Coming out as a Conservative Republican was a LOT harder than coming out as Gay. Sometimes it makes me feel lonely, but I've found other people who are like-minded on fb as well as twitter. Life's Lemonade~

[@friendlyone2706]

Because of Rush I read the entirety of The Wealth of Nations. He was right. Much of the 'modern' health care debate was the exact same debate being argued in the 1700's. He earned his Freedom Medal.

[@laureldevine]

Rush is who red-pilled my wife in the early 90's many years before I got on board - I was a bit of a hard-head.

[@edmendes7022]

We end up with the feeling that media should now be talked about in terms of before, and after, the escalator.

[@KYoss68]

I've never trusted the media.. I was literally red-pilled as a boy when Ronald Reagan ran for President against Jimmy Carter and I saw how poorly they treated Reagan and how nicely the treated Carter and at the age of 11 I realized this difference was politically motivated and I've never trusted the press since.

[@Kehvan]

You know Dave, I'm a 54 year old gay man... I came out when I was 31. I was absolutely certain I was gay by the time I was 22, but I waited out of fear... I was from Kansas, and was in the military at the time. But after I came out, I really thought I'd see a greater diversity of thought in the gay community. A more liberal minded attitude toward people with different opinions, and an innate understanding of what _tolerance_ really means. Wow. I sure misjudged that one. I was totally turned off by the tribalism in the gay community. It would have been easy to avoid if it just stopped at politics, but that tribalistic crap could be found in bars, at the gym, at work, choir, whatever, wherever. But what really got to me the most was how fake so many of the people were. Lavishing people with praise to their face, and insulting them to their back. Rampant infidelity with utterly narcissistic rationales for behavior. I just grew disgusted with it. For me, a lot of "red pilling" on democrats and by extension, the gay community, actually happened in the 1990s before the term was even coined. It was my experience living in Fayetteville, Arkansas in 1990 and 1991 that informed me of the very real bias in the media. I joined the military shortly after my time in Arkansas, and it was my experiences over the following 5 to 10 years, that informed me a great deal on, just not democrats in general, but the gay community and specifically how it relates to the military. You see, I was a victim of Don't Ask Don't Tell. When I outed myself, the policy took over. No individual officer could change the outcome, but I had an LT in my chain talk to me, and lament the policy, telling me that I was the type of gay man they didn't want to kick out. He related that before Bill Clinton's DADT policy, individual commands had discretion on how they handled the revelation a sailor was gay... It reminded me of the axiom of, "The road to hell is paved with good intention." In trying to protect gay people, Clinton created a policy that resulted in a dramatic increase in the number of gay military personnel being kicked out for just being gay. Then I looked at democrat policies in general, and it's a case study in the same dysfunction... Democrats proclaiming they're going to help this or that group, only to create a system that actually hurts the groups they say they're going to help, and when called on it, they blame republicans, conservatives, or someone other group other than themselves for the failure. Long story short, I'm so glad I'm getting to see in my life time other gay men expressing thoughts and ideas I've had for decades, but just wasn't ever uttered in _"polite company"_ in the gay communities to which I've been exposed in Texas, Kansas, Louisiana, Colorado and other states I've lived or visited.

[@leithsapitan1428]

You are a very amazing man! I am a straight woman who thinks you would make a great friend! Thank you!

[@SuperTJK1992]

I'm going to watch this after I return some videotapes.

[@juvenalredivius1077]

Excellent Marcus, let's do lunch. I can get reservations at Dorsia, do bring um.......Cecilia.

[@Andromedax01]

Aw man, I would've loved to hear more movie talk from him. When Dave said "we'll talk about that over dinner" I audibly went "Wait no, already ?"

[@jenniferstewart9012]

I want manners to come back I miss people keeping stuff to themselves

[@patrickturner7764]

Dave's hair was on point for this one. Great interview as well, as always.

[@thedavidandanealshow4724]

Great conversation! Love this!

[@epigeneticnerd4244]

Please have on Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai! He's an MIT scientist, running for U.S. Senate, and has very interesting views on the politics behind this coronavirus thing. Sounds like he has some dirt on Fauci.

[@piecesofme8531]

Much needed interview!

[@laureldevine]

YES! I saw a KZbin video interview he did, he's got the real goods on this situation.

[@juvenalredivius1077]

Dr Shiva knows what is up. Fauci has financial connections to Bill Gates.

[@gabeko2044]

This is an awesome interview. Fascinating.

[@stanzavik]

I look at this guy and I see Russell Crowe's character from Insider

[@philbaumgartner1776]

It can all crumble away. My eyes are fixed on God. Being part of the Body of Christ is all I need.

[@isabellehobbs9280]

Amen

[@BumpyRyder]

If that's all you need, I will be glad to give you my shipping address...

[@thorick590]

I'm a liberal child of the '60s. Stereotyping: back then the left were the open minded people who celebrated individualism and the right were the closed minded control freaks who demanded conformity. Fast forward to today. Never in my life had I imagined that 'the opposite' would turn out to be true. What we disliked so much about 'racism' in the 60's: that an individual would be categorized and kept from realizing their individual potential because of their race.. is now turned upside down: a person's race is the most important thing that defines them and their place in society, according to the left.. (umm.. in addition to their gender, their economic class, their...) My values haven't changed but I've been moved to 'the opposite side' in the great game.. what a long strange trip it's been...

[@keelsmac01]

But remember…it was the same media who told you the right were closed minded control freaks who demanded conformity. They’ve been lying for decades. Not sure if you remember..they said daily that Reagan was a racist. He was the 80s version of Trump. He wasn’t racist, he was an actor and former democrat like Trump. He was a great President and the 80s were a great time in history.

[@gworxtaiwan402]

A desire to hear the other side of the argument, rather than be validated. I like that. Not easy, but necessary.

[@gussalas2866]

When ever trump had a speech, the crooked media would go into commercials

[@zman5387]

Great interview. Really enjoyable, interesting and intelligent.

[@brokencage9723]

Im in love with Bret Easton and im not even gay.

[@afringedweller]

@Mike Knight He's a delight!

[@ronaldwilliams2456]

Great interview, Dave. I read the book White and thought it was fantastic. Gotta disagree about Color Out of Space, though. I think it's the best adaptation of an H.P. Lovecraft story (my favorite Lovecraft, actually) that I've ever seen. Perfectly captured the weird cosmic horror of the author. Keep fighting the good fight, man.

[@dylangrieveable]

High quality, intelligent convo. Impressive

[@TheSpoovy]

My moment of truth was listening to a group of BBC reporters openly displaying their outrage (on a supposedly impartial BBC current affairs radio show) that at one of his early press conferences after being elected Trump wouldn't answer their endless follow-up questions and listen to their long and rambling diatribes. The total lack of respect they showed not only for him but for his office was incredible, as was their colossal self-importance. These journalists are so used to entirely controlling the public dialogue they immediately saw Trump as a threat, and in their rush to destroy him the mask slipped completely off. I've since caught the BBC out in several blatant lies -- things that I previously wouldn't have questioned -- and I will never believe it's output again.

[@SoulfulMole]

two of my favorite "bad gays" lol... much love

[@Courier_Eris]

The MCU movies are never going to go down in history as being cinematic masterpieces, but they're entertaining and will always have a special place in a lot of peoples hearts!

[@ricardoterrasantos6618]

Yes! Craftmanship and style mater. I would love to hear a conversation between Camille Paglia and Bret Easton Ellis

[@Kunfucious577]

Wow, i just learned how Los Angeles used to be unique for the first time. Im from LA and never understood what the draw was. I never knew the independent childhood where you could grow up without boundries was a Los Angeles culture. Its even more depressing now.

[@Comoroo]

Superman! Make a REAL Superman movie! Something with substance. No Political Correctness, no leftist pandering, no holdbacks! Something for MEN! We all know why Hollywood stays away from Superman...he is much to American, & that pisses them off.

[@juvenalredivius1077]

Is he American? I thought he was from Krypton.

[@jimdonovan9756]

I agree about what he said about times in the 70's and 80's that changed in the 90's and 2000's, but I challenge his claims about how society has changed about "Gay Culture and Community". Being a Victim, Being Gay, and Being Alternative is all the fashion. The shunned today are the Politically Incorrect and the Conservatives that do not tow the line. I don't know anyone who gives a shit about if your gay or not and i'm a suburban Ogre who keeps company with other suburban Ogre

[@TheEmma0397]

My moment was Kavanaugh, I couldn't believe nor understood why they were treating him this way, that's when I started doing my own research instead of watching CNN, msnbc,............ Also, they were criticizing Trump so badly, no matter what he did or said, they would twist it. I just couldn't anymore, I had to run away from these people.

[@MereMortalsBookReviews]

Been a while since someone I trust has given me a movie recommendation. Will be checking out Uncut Gems. Thanks Dave!

[@Daniel-qy9mb]

I try to support your content as much as I can. I don’t agree with everything you say. However, I love being on this journey with you. Keep it up!

[@leithsapitan1428]

Being supportive doesn't mean agreeing with all is said. The fact that you are willing to listen puts you head and shoulders above many! Keep it up!!! See what I did there! Lol, Dave speak.

[@joefro1116]

Great interview. Would love you to get David Mamet. A good story there. ;)

[@orionxavier6957]

6:16 "We must be destroyed for anything we said 17 years ago.." Case in point, Trump in 2016 being called out for a facetious comment he made off camera 11 years prior. Lol. And when that wasn't enough, they insisted his statement constituted "sexual assault." 🙄

[@SRWill64]

I know and these people I knew told me he 'raped' a woman. I was like, "You're out of your mind."

[@Willowy13]

I know this comment is old, but I just want to add that he was true in the context of the conversation. Easy women after his money would allow him to do whatever. I personally know women like that. We had fake ultraje from feminists that scream body positivity for ovher weyght woman, but always want hot dudes.

[@leithsapitan1428]

Yep jotato can allegedly, right, rape a woman and then become prez, President Trump can make stupid remarks 20 years ago, and he's unfit to cross a street!

[@johnnyappleseedgate2232]

Let's just remember JJ Abrams was overruled heavily and the movie was drastically cut after he approved a final edit.

[@libbylife7161]

You and your guest are BRILLIANT!😍😍

[@aceathor]

Nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the person, it is not what defines a person. These people who are supposed to bring us together only divide us into several categories: heterosexual, homosexual, man, woman, white, black, ect... By saying, for example, that there is homophobia and that homosexuals must be defended with associations... They only accentuate homophobia. Because the heterosexual guy says to himself: "And me, who defends me ?!" and that creates jealousy. It's the same for racism, ect... (Sorry for google translate, I'm french)

[@AmericanMX]

Kids today wouldn’t of made it growing up in the 70”s and 80’s. They are way too sheltered and helicoptered.

[@aimeedouglas1584]

Phil the Mx M the sad part is being a parent of those “sheltered and helicoptered” kids. I want my kids to have the freedom and the type of childhood I remember from the 80’s (and even early 90’s to a degree), but it’s really hard. So many parents are so judgmental about the way other people raise their kids, that it puts pressure on parents. It’s a weird world today.

[@thelefthandedshooter5760]

It’s the kids of the 70s and 80s who are largely responsible for the current generation.

[@ShutUpandRideMTB]

I don't know who Bret Easton is, but he is worth a listen, cheers!

[@painiscupcake5433]

Do you like Huey Lewis and The News?

[@lightgiver7311]

Wow, I'm guessing you never seen the American Psycho movie? He wrote the book.

[@katebarnhart9039]

I listen to radio show's from the 40's and they did not believe the press and thought politicians were crooked.

[@ThePhillyDz]

Lol, my wife fight like cats and dogs over Trump. But we'd never let it come between us. Wow, everything he mentioned about politics in his love life I relate to. The 0-100, the screaming, the crazy of knowing that they are incapable of seeing your side, and the eventual growing up and not bringing it up anymore...

[@jenniferstewart9012]

Im Republican my husband use to be a hard core democrat Thankfully he finally realized the media and dems were lying We wouldnt have broken up but we are much calmer now LOL

[@alanabush555]

I' don't consider myself right or left, which seems to polarize people. I'm classic libertarian since my very early 20s. My father taught me to read by age 4 1/2 and I benefited from a truly classic education in a separate school and lots of books Felt like a lone voice then, challenging the status quo, esp with the hippy movement and onward. Now I'm heartened, esp with social media, that there are so many ,reasonable voices challenging the status quo. Given Academia and MSM on their irrational path, it's a struggle. Some of the comments below indicate those who have reconsidered their original mindset and have opened themselves up to more rational alternatives that will help to reclaim the greatness of America and the West. 15% of the world is free or semi-free, so it's a worthwhile struggle.

[@gutsbiker]

I could not live with someone who is my political opposite. Everyone else can be whatever, but not the one I share my life with.

[@SpecialBlanket]

As long as they're not constantly going on and on about it, I don't care. I don't want to be hearing about something irritating to me 24/7 but if we're both respectful about it and chill, no problem.

[@vino140]

March 2021: Great show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@consadosambora5347]

Everyone is Patrick Batemaning their lives on social media !! Holy Shit I love it!! That is the greatest description of the modern human I have heard in a long time.

[@seethevolcane]

June 27th-Great show. Have Ellis on again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@keelsmac01]

So happy to have young gays hear this. You’re more than being gay. People now make being gay their whole existence. Like is so much more complex, being gay/straight is a very small portion. Use your imagination people, become what you want..gay or straight you have more to offer the world 🌎.

[@diackone]

Good convo fellas!

[@r.t.5425]

Bret is a national treasure

[@consadosambora5347]

He really nailed the difference in being raised in different eras.

[@haldorasgirson9463]

I have come to a realization. Being gay is not even slightly edgy or confrontational in the USA, in the 2020's. "I'm gay, deal with it" is no more a challenging statement than saying "I'm short, deal with it", or I'm black, deal with it." Thank God we have evolved to this point as a culture. I grew up in the 70's when being gay was definitely risky. I am not gay, but never felt like that was an issue that deserved condemnation or "correction." People all have differences and this is just one more difference that makes people, people.

[@Fullmetal1291985]

The fact people call you a bad gay enough to think that line up depresses me >_>

[@dez1754]

Finally some common sense.

[@maskandvaccinefreeandproud2110]

Unfortunately, not as so-called ‘common’ as it should be in this day and age.

[@conureron3792]

Bret is a unique bridge that could help unite the political tribes.

[@bartbosler1]

Ellis is a very interesting guy. His book "White" is great!

[@Abhishek-fe3zs]

You should read American psycho and rules of attraction, funny as fuck

[@joanmsmith5561]

I'm about the same age as Bret, and I so agree with him on the way I grew up. like him, I was a not paying much attention liberal , until Trump came along. I knew deep down that something was rotten, Obama had become unbearable, Washington needed a good kick.

[@cjg2877]

Brett, looking at your bio I found out we have the same BDay. Happy belated Birthday!

[@Sungodv]

how can you tell a person is gay? easy, they tell you

[@devanshepard9118]

not all the time. I mean growing up I knew Johnny Mathis and Luther vandross were gay even though they didnt say anything till years later.

[@SpecialBlanket]

How can you get a confirmation bias? Easy, wait for people to tell you to count them.

[@devanshepard9118]

@@SpecialBlanket i mean there are some stereotypes that are kind of true.

[@SpecialBlanket]

@@devanshepard9118 sure, most are. so?

[@devanshepard9118]

@@SpecialBlanket So i am just saying that sometimes you can tell a person is gay based off stereotypes. Not just because they tell you. That's all I am saying. Its not true all the time. But sometimes it is true

[@Pangora2]

"Fan films do not have material to sustain a full cinematic movie" Solution: Fewer films.

[@SRWill64]

Back before I opened my eyes and become pro-Trump I had a group of friends who I had known for several years and had played all sorts of games together. We were talking one night and I told them I didn't agree with them on certain things and it drifted into a discussion about Trump. When you mentioned that it's leftists who believe it's the 'be all, end all' of any kind of conversation or relationship, that it's so important, I thought now it makes sense why they booted me out of the group and don't talk to me anymore. I mean, the fact that we're all gay guys doesn't mean shit compared to this? To me, that makes no sense at all. To me it's a political viewpoint and they can say theirs and I can hear that and disagree but let them have that but the second I air mine they all get butthurt and decide that I have been 'brainwashed' by some cult? How does this make sense? Because I happen to like Trump and what he's doing? I just figured it was because they really weren't my friends after all and now you're saying it's because they are the typical leftists who can't accept anything other than mainstream media narrative. This world is getting to be more insane every day. There's got to be a breaking point and I think it's coming soon. Just to put it out there, though...Trump does have a plan and it should make all of this bad stuff go away quickly. And it will be a much better world in the end. I'm an optimist. I like my belief in a better world to come even if those 'friends' can't see it. And, by the way, those who are pushing to take our rights away are also part of a worldwide organization that would see the NWO happen. We cannot allow that. We don't need a worldwide Nazi-like organization ruling over who and what we are, defining us when we should be defining ourselves. Hitler did it this way...what makes you think they can't succeed if they remain unopposed?

[@FathomlessJoy]

I am an editor turned novelist and screenwriter. Collaborating every day with those who are steeped in and duped by identity politics -- cancel cultured, if you will. When people in that crowd ask me for a sample of contemporary fiction that would be great to read, I tell them the last novels that I read with any merit at all are: Fight Club by Chuck Palnahiuk and American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis. The liberal cancel culture walked both these works to the gallows but, fortunately, tied nooses too weak. Shame we have to go back 2 or 3 decades to get a good book. Today's American fiction is pretentious, oblivious, and sanitized. All of which would be fine if it were not also boring, obtuse, cowardly, and meaningless.

[@jeffreyriley8742]

33:08 I one billion percent agree with this and feel the same way.

[@leithsapitan1428]

Yes! I love President Trump!