How it Works: Remington Model 8

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[@lebien4554]

The AK trigger (and safety/dust cover design) is exactly like this one, as well as Mechanical clocks/ watches escapement mechanism . So cool how technology connects like that.

[@tenofprime]

That is what I love about these animations, it shows you how many ways these ideas get reworked or outright copied over time.

[@skepticalbadger]

The AK gets it from the Garand.

[@somebodysomewhere4943]

​@@skepticalbadgerThe long stroke gas piston and rotating bolt, yeah, but not the safety and trigger

[@bbergan2169]

The ak trigger is similar, but it improves by adding a spring loaded disconnector, so instead of a solid disconnector and sear assembly, it can move independent.

[@firesupport162]

@lebien4554 similar but not exactly AK triggers rely on braided spring tension

[@jonathan_60503]

I love these animations of the internal mechanisms of firearms!

[@rjoetting7594]

I've always been a fan of John Moses Browning, and this rifle always makes me think about the auto 5 shotgun. I eventually got a model 81 in 35 Remington. At first, I thought it was kind of ugly, but it kind of grew on me. Now, it's a permanent part of my collection. Mine was produced in December 1941, which I believe it would have one of last produced until after WW2. One of the comments said the safety looked like the AK-47s, but the proper statement is that AK safety looks like a model 8 since it was first.

[@ColtCobra2002]

You've got a slightly younger brother to mine, I've got an 81 in .300 savage produced in Oct of 41.

[@madcat8099]

Long recoil systems have always fascinated me, and makes me wonder what a modern military arm would look like using the system. Love the animations!

[@gfin4576]

there was a company showing off long recoil 5.56 and 308 rifles at shot show last year. many people were super impressed by it. they are like over $3000 tho

[@rlb3418]

Many modern 50-cal firearms use long recoil

[@christopherreed4723]

The Lynx .50 caliber rifle uses not only a long-recoil system, but a *bullpup* long-recoil system (and us, afaik, the *only* .50 anti-material rifle to do so). It's one of the very few .50BMG rifles that can be fired from the shoulder with good accuracy. The long-recoil design lets a weapon absorb huge amounts of recoil energy by forcing it to move a great deal of reciprocating mass. That way the massive recoil of larger/more powerful cartridges can be mitigated to something that won't require the shooter to bring a chiropractor along. IMO the advantage of the system in smaller calibers is minimal.

[@skepticalbadger]

​@@rlb3418such as?

[@ludditeneaderthal]

@skepticalbadger the barret is recoil operated, though I'm not sure if long or short action. The browning m2 mg is short recoil.

[@gunsofthephoenix6101]

I had an 81 Woodmaster (basically the final Model 8 "version") in 300 Savage. I almost never took that thing apart. Good luck putting it back together without instructions. Though at the range, was definitely a head turner and got people asking you questions. Back in the day these things definitely put you ahead of every other hunter who was still using, bolt action or lever action hunting rifles.

[@robertbean8116]

Most automatics eject brass hot enough to burn skin, but because of its long recoil mechanism model 8 & 81 remingtons eject brass that is cool , which is fortunate because it's weak ejection often hits you in the face.

[@timrobinson6573]

Why would it be cool? Can you explain please?

[@robertbean8116]

@@timrobinson6573 cool as in not hot. As you are no doubt aware if you eject a brass from any manual operating firearm it is 'cool' enough to handle without fear of burns. The heat gets soaked into the gunbarrel. No matter how fast you shuck the bolt . The long recoil system allows that heat transfer. I did not mean to imply that the brass is being chilled or refrigerated. Any how I find it interesting.

[@chadkingoffuckmountain970]

@@timrobinson6573 When firing, autoloaders spit out hot brass because they are ejected before the barrel sinks off the heat. Due to the long recoil mechanism, it allows the bullet to cool down.

[@DavidJohnson-py6mp]

Can't remember ever being hit by brass from my Model 8. May be a problem with your ejector pin/spring or extractor claw.

[@robertbean8116]

I just reviewed the c&rsenal primer with May shooting the model 8, you can plainly see brass bouncing off her arm and head, and she seems unaware. I have long since sold my old model 81 300 savage.

[@paleoph6168]

A great way to start the day/noon!

[@tenofprime]

Quite nice, the way you had the animation remind a few times on the bolt turning system was smart as it is easy to miss exactly what is happening there at first.

[@jeremyp2295]

Love the animation and deep dive into design. I really enjoy Browning designed firearms. My a-5 is the softest recoiling shotgun I have. Like the 1911 it works best with proper springs. And proper arrangement of friction ring. I haven't heard of an 8 or 81 wearing out springs but would assume they would lose some tension over the decades under preload. And if you're a student of his designs there's a lot carry over to other firearms. You guys have the best job ever

[@charleykeenan6171]

Fascinating! It is very important to know where designs originated to know how we got here!

[@Alboalt]

Great animation. Insane gun mechanism!

[@nickm9123]

Putting bruno to work I see. Good job. Looks great

[@palerider7171]

Love this and the series. Please keep them coming! Many thanks.

[@Mag_Aoidh]

I have a 1920 circa Model 8 in 25 Remington. Ammo is my biggest hindrance at 50 bucks a box but I have cases, powder primers and bullets and working on loads.

[@ditzydoo4378]

Still have my gran-gran's model-8 (1913 build) in .30 Remington. a sweetheart of a rifle to shoot. ^~^

[@garyK.45ACP]

I have a Model 81 Remington. The slightly modified version (mostly by a heavier stock and forearm) but functionally the same. Everyone should take the opportunity to fire a long recoil operated rifle. The recoil impulse will prompt you to think "Uh...what just happened?" Note that the trigger/sear/disconnect also resemble and function the same as an AR 15 fire control group.

[@lolzman228]

I love these "how does it do" videos

[@jasongarland3165]

Great animation. Thank you

[@bradenbollock3207]

The way the recoil spring in the stock actuates with the bolt reminds me of an fal recoil system

[@Lomi311]

Crazy to think these were used to shoot at planes from planes. There’s a cool first hand account of this in the full episode if I recall. One of my favorite anecdotes from the primers.

[@RedComet777-sl8ps]

what plane

[@davidbrennan660]

Nice work. Hail Grandfather Browning.

[@camshend]

Great content. This is a fun rifle to shoot.

[@goldenwheeledbanshee9160]

I'd love to have 1 of these rifles.

[@garyK.45ACP]

They aren't rare or particularly expensive. The later Model 81, which functions the same but has cosmetic upgrades, is more common and has the advantage of being chambered in .300 Savage in addition to the Remington rimless line of cartridges. (.25, .30, .32 and .35). They sell for $500-$1000 depending on condition and chambering. .300 Savage and .35 Remington are the most common. .30 Remington is fairly common. .32 Remington and .25 Remington chambered rifles bring a premium. The .25 Remington was dropped after only one year of production of the Model 81. Model 81s in that cartridge are very much more expensive. Remington Model 8s are more scarce and expensive, but not as much as some other collector firearms. The Model 8s were prone to stock splits as they had a smaller, trimmer straight grip stock and thin forend. With all that mechanism contained in both pieces of wood, it made them prone to splits. The main difference between the two models is the Model 81 has a beefier stock and forend and pistol grip stock.

[@goldenwheeledbanshee9160]

I'd rather have a great 8. U must think everÿ 1 is dumb. By the way a cheap 1 is 800 or more. Haha ha big ɓrain

[@garyK.45ACP]

@@goldenwheeledbanshee9160 If you are talking about Model 81s, take a look at the "sold" listings of Gunbroker. Even $800+ is still cheap as collector guns go. If you want a Model 8, keep looking, they pop up from time to time. I think "U" is spelled "you".

[@K663-j1k]

I really want to see one of these things converted to a long stroke gas piston, or a direct impingement gas system.

[@K663-j1k]

It almost feels as if Mr. Browning has seen the future.

[@chefemilj]

Very cool

[@paulbervid1610]

Great video

[@nono-jj9rr]

Based!

[@Grasyl]

The disconnector only prevents full auto fire in theory, in reality it prevents the hammer following the bolt. In most cases this "follow hammer" is way to weak to ignite the primer.

[@Pcm979]

Long Recoil: Best action or _bestest_ action? Discuss.

[@rogerscottcathey]

So many watch mechanisms in these actions.

[@ketchman8299]

The #8 is a complicated mess. Shoots great though. AND my favorite caliber, .35 Remington.

[@dangray4086]

JMB: How to make a Rube Goldberg-edly overnecessarily overcomplicated device... that actually WORKS.

[@nunzinho91]

Nice

[@spartan92296]

I've been searching for one to buy at SoS and local shows for two years now. So far I have found 4 examples all museum quality for well over 3k sadly :L

[@Jargolf86]

One of my Favorite Weapons in BF1, of Course with Ironsights. Love to own one for Real, but they are Rare, and Unobtanium in Germany 😞

[@chrisr251]

"To ease perceived recoil..." Yeah, that worked out well... (snicker) The recoil on all of the long recoil Browning actions is always out of proportion to the actual cartridge. It is an artifact of that huge chunk of metal slamming back in the receiver as the action opens. People have been complaining about it for nearly 120 years. I mean, it is not painful or punishing. But it also isn't pleasant when compared to rifles with different actions chambered in the same cartridge. The only thing that the Model 8 and its successor the Model 81 had going for them was that they worked, and worked reliably in an era when semi-auto rifles were prone to be finicky. Which is why they had such a long production run compared to other centerfire semi-automatic rifles of the time.

[@christopherreed4723]

I've heard that several times now. I suspect that the recoil-attenuating benefits of the long-recoil action don't cone into play until you up the power considerably. The Lynx GM-1 would be an example. Sure, you can shoot a Barrett M82 from the shoulder, but you'll only do it once, and your chances of actually hitting anything are pretty slim. But several owners (not just the guys doing the publicity shots for Lynx 😏) have now demonstrated that you can shoot the GM-1 from the shoulder, unsupported, with acceptable accuracy, at least at closer ranges.

[@mattyallen3396]

Number 4 Lee's!!

[@Lomi311]

They have an episode on the long lees and SMLE. The animation would be the same for the mechanisms

[@mattyallen3396]

@theantipope666 i know that. Ive following them for years.

[@ericmckinley7985]

THANK

[@jamarjames9501]

A file to the rear tine of the trigger would do what? nothing? Not that anyone would destroy an old gun im just wondering if it used to be that easy

[@XavierBJohnson]

Great vid!

[@WalterBurton]

👍👍👍

[@christophercripps7639]

FN in Belgium had the European patent rights & called it the Model 1900. Two were used in the Bonnie & Clyde ambush with one fitted with an aftermarket 15round magazine.

[@SierraBravo347]

Thank You, Lord, for J.M. Browning...

[@Westcoastblackpowder]

Long Recoil Action Gang

[@Sk-pd5wt]

Karabiner98k please

[@Lomi311]

Just watch their episode on the G98 the K model is based on. It’s the same action. Same rifle but longer really.

[@jamarjames9501]

I'm not a gunsmith but wouldn't a small filing make this an illegal firearm to most people?

[@noahconklin313]

Depends on the gun. Sometimes you'll just have hammer follow, and it won't go bang. Other times, it could be very dangerous, and you could have an out-of-battery destination

[@MamLewis]

So would removing the second fork on the trigger assembly make it a full auto rifle, or just make the gun run away?

[@ludditeneaderthal]

Neither, as the hammer would follow the bolt, thus not retain enough energy to "snap the cap". Full auto variants of this trigger group require a "third arm" or "trip" system with a secondary sear and notch, and a trigger rotation limiter. A "lightning link" type system will knock the interceptor claw off the hammer notch as the bolt locks into battery. "Hammer follow" mods, at best, give you all the legal liability of full auto, with no possibility of reliable control or implementation... so don't do it

[@MamLewis]

@@ludditeneaderthal Don't worry, I couldn't do it even if I wanted to. I live in the UK, where even BB guns are regulated. But thank you for your answer.

[@ludditeneaderthal]

@MamLewis if you'd like to see examples, check out the trigger group of the ak47/akm family of weapons. It's the browning "Y" trigger system with a secondary sear. The us m1 garand rifle has the same trigger, only a 2 piece design, in semi-auto only. With minor variation, it's probably the most used semi-auto trigger system on the planet, both military and sporting arms.

[@alllopez63]

Is Model 81 the same mechanism?

[@ludditeneaderthal]

Simplified, modernized, and "improved", but basically the same breed of dog, yeah

[@ironhead2008]

Yeah, but with an extra cartridge option: .300 Savage

[@greydonstautzenberger3901]

Beautifer

[@egildonfrancisco609]

Legal

[@mikeherman1224]

Thanks!

[@heavybreath]

It was a Remington Model 8 which killed Clyde Barrow A Louisiana Deputy, part of the posse that was tracking him , fired the first shot which struck the door post and ricochet to strike him in back of head killing Clyde instantly Model 8 were popular among law enforcement personnel, 10 and 15 round magazines could be ordered

[@timrobinson6573]

OK

[@abstractapproach634]

Preventing bolt following, not necessarily full auto, may just lead to a failure to fire.

[@asteroidrules]

A bit of both. Most weapons that lacked trigger disconnects behaved inconsistently, sometimes the hammer would pick up enough velocity to fire, sometimes it wouldn't.

[@lucianene7741]

Why "fairly unique"? Seems like a pretty typical rotating bolt.

[@JamesThomas-gg6il]

See?..simple.

[@CheshireTomcat68]

If you got the trigger in just the right place, brrrrt?

[@ludditeneaderthal]

No. The geometry is such that one notch or the other would have to engage at full recoil. You'd have to do a perfectly timed "reset, tug" motion on the trigger to produce what would be "simulated full auto" (as every shot would require a pull). The full auto variants of the browning trigger have a wider "u", allowing a "midpoint no hook" position, and a secondary sear/trip for full auto (ala the ak47/akm trigger group)

[@MADDOG2151]

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[@CTXSLPR]

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[@MADDOG2151]

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