History Primer 176: Martini-Henry MkIII Documentary

[@Zap_R0sdower]

The ballistol history is the best idea for a sponsorship ad I've ever seen

[@blank557]

Ever since I saw the movie "Zulu" I've wanted a Martini-Henry. That was a superb and detailed review, thanks.

[@chpet1655]

I’m sure nobody is sick of these Martini Henry episodes. I know I’m set for more. PS Thanks Dublin dude !

[@gordondelacroix253]

this will be the longest awaited "and war were declared" in the whole series imo

[@davidbell5528]

On the bayonet point the British infantry used bayonets in bunker clearing in the first gulf war, much to the shock of US observers

[@NM-wd7kx]

I believe 'our' last bayonet charge was in Afghanistan, turns out the old technique still works

[@russeldavis1787]

Possibly more indicative of their lack of trust in the SA80 than their being imbued with the 'Spirit of the Bayonet '.

[@zoiders]

1 Staffords used phosphorus grenades first. Much to the shock of the Iraqi Republican Guard.

[@zoiders]

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[@JamesThomas-gg6il]

Bayonets ,whether they are useful in modern combat is debatable, however they certainly are intimidating when a sharp pointy thing is being waved in your face by a screaming infantry grunt with a distinct urge to run you through. Scary.

[@DuStKalle]

This show makes me feel humble. Gradually I realized that these guys would never ever walk out of the woods of 19century armament. The magic threshold of 1911 will never be ever crossed by them, and therefore even amount of Martiniis may very well outreach dozens. You guys are the enchanted people and there is a magic into it.

[@nemilyk]

*Happy longarm lover noises*

[@davidsachs4883]

I looked on a website named “British military small arms ammo” According to that site the filling was 70 grains Fifty grains was a mix of potassium perchloride and aluminum and 20 grains were an ignition material. I believe the limit for destructive doused 1/4 ounce which is about 109 grains.

[@davidsachs4883]

When I said filling I was referring to the incindiary rounds used early in ww1 And the typo was supposed to be “devices are”

[@usmanrulezzz]

I find the Martini Henry extremely beautiful and fascinating! Absolutely obsessed with this gun and would love to own one some day!

[@ernestcline2868]

I don't know if Mae is a horsewoman or not, but it would be interesting to see her shooting the carbines from horseback.

[@MichaelBerthelsen]

Would also be a really cool experiment to see the effect of recoil on mounted troops (of a smaller frame, like Mae), whether it affects rate of fire and re-acquisition of target, even if the horse is stationary, just from a balance perspective. Hope they'll find some way to do that.

[@maewinchester2030]

I'm down to try this

[@PajamaPantsStudios]

Just a heads up, that MIGHT scare the horse

[@slikh]

eh... yeah.. if the horse is trained to have a gun go off near its head.. Do they make ear protection for horses?

[@maewinchester2030]

@@slikh Training them to not startle with gunfire is done, no clue on how long it takes, but would be neat to try!

[@gyrene_asea4133]

So fun! Thanks for the in-depth and entertaining look at these bits of firearms history. Easy to agree that the carbine is 'cute', but Othias' point about the nature of engagement at this time period making the rifle superior for both ranged volley and "wall of steel" are tactically correct.

[@jonathanhudak2059]

Great highly detailed episode as usual guys 👍 Thanks everyone who was involved and thanks Dave from Dublin! Martini Henry's are cool pieces, all of them 👍

[@stevenwestswanson9263]

The Martini and the Mauser Model 1871 are my favorite black powder rifles. Love the video!

[@johnstevenson1709]

Thanks mae and othias for a very interesting episode and thank you dave from dublin for for sponoring the show id stand you a powers if youre ever in Sheffield

[@richardanderson2742]

I’ve never downloaded for the carbines, since I don’t regularly shoot them. However I can assure everyone the full power rounds leave a distinct impression on you. When I was working over a shipment of 10 carbines from Afghanistan about a decade ago, I finally had to enlist the help of a friend to help with the test firing….since my shoulder and headache were beat to death. While a lot of these looked in bad shape, the bores were almost always very good and the main problem was adjusting the block height for getting a good primer strike…..and of course replacing the commonly found handmade firing pins and block pins. Considering their over 100 years of service and abuse, they are indeed a very durable system.

[@salvadorsempere1701]

Thanking Mr Mark Mehrer, and Dave from Dublin, the gun donor and the executive producer makes a nice one line comment, and the algorithm like comments

[@gwimbus4399]

Very interesting, I own a NZ marked 1882, MK3 Martini, always wanted to know more about it, so cheers.

[@Lomi311]

The fireball on the carbine was impressive!

[@blanktm228]

thanks for yet another great episode, sorry for being late on this

[@Ishmaille]

These martini episodes are so good that I could watch them all, back-to-back, in the middle of the day. A three martini lunch, you might call it.

[@AbananaPEEl]

Also Thanks Dave :)

[@smackarel7]

You can definately see why the Lee-Enfield semi-pistol grip is shaped they way it is when you look at the Martini's.

[@elktrip2000]

The slow motion of the mkIII with the powder obscuring Mae with just the muzzle peaking through the smoke was epic. Great review

[@thralldumehammer]

Dave from Dublin, thank you!

[@bobthomas4514]

Thanks Dave

[@zoiders]

The toffs and Ruperts serving as officers in The Guards likely whinged about the stocks being too short as The Guards had a height requirement of 5'10" and above. They were an aberration from the norm as they could pick and choose the tallest men. Other regiments of the foot and the light infantry had lads who were more representative of the actual height and build of most men of the day and they would have found the stock to be just fine.

[@Justice-ian]

The DD incendiary limit is 1/4oz (~109gr, the weight of a 9mm bullet). Nosler's heaviest load for .458 Winchester Magnum (elephant rifle with a big case) is 71gr of propellant. Considering most of a projectile has to be metal to stand up to firing stresses, there's no way you could accidentally get a DD load in there.

[@glenmcgillivray4707]

Thank you for the information. But I'd ask if you knew the regulation that specifies the limit, as our team probably would like to check the source material.

[@Operator8282]

15:45 Why is Mae continually firing into the most intermittent fog bank I've ever seen?

[@johnfisk811]

Now you know why volley fire was a thing. To see the target you had to let the smoke disperse I front of you so taking it in turns to fire each section, platoon or company allowed almost fire to be maintained.

[@christopherseivard8925]

So, Martini- Henry carbine, Enfield Jungle Carbine, a Webley, holster, and some web-gear;A new collection is born! Oh and a helmet, a khaki kilt, and cartridge belts. Maybe a kuhkri...

[@gyrene_asea4133]

... and an accent. Don't forget the accent with maybe some sideburns.

[@c1ph3rpunk]

I sense a pattern here…

[@kornaktanker7633]

I do love those slow mo smoke screen shots

[@thurin84]

thanks dave from dublin!

[@peterparsons7141]

My great Uncle fought in the Boer War, the family has the Martini. I’m an enthusiastic shooter, and collector. I never really had any interest in acquiring the Mark2. I’ve just never thought that much about them. However the Carbine looks like it might be a little more fun to shoot and show off at the range. I just can’t imagine what the .451 cartridges would take to purchase or fabricate. So I’m very satisfied watching May shoot it, and both you guys sharing your thoughts and showing and talking about this old relic. Somethings just belong in Museums, and not my gun safe.

[@TheGnewb]

Fantastically informative and that was an almost enjoyable advert for Balistol. Well done.

[@coldandaloof7166]

Thank you Dave!

[@macnitt4039]

Thank you Dave

[@YerluvinunclePete]

Thanks Dave!

[@turretlizardinthesun957]

Thanks Dave.

[@hockeytownluv2012]

Hi Othias... you're my favorite guntuber

[@nicholsliwilson]

The material on the outside of the gun looked like either Tung oil or more likely linseed oil which dries in to a polymer coating that preserves steel & when new is aesthetically pleasing but does tighten up & split after a few decades. If the gun was only intended for display at some point in it’s history it would make sense to coat it like that, @C&Rsenal

[@chaimafaghet7343]

It's almost certainly linseed oil.

[@johnfisk811]

Linseed oil was the service issue wood preservative.

[@zoiders]

Stocks are protected with linseed oil not metal work. The metal was subjected to "browning" which was a form of rust blueing, weapons were then literally varnished to protect the metal - not oil. That process was replaced between the wars by blue covered in a heavy duty lacquer which is the black finish you see on No 4s, L1A1s etc.

[@nicholsliwilson]

@@zoiders LOL! Literally talking to someone who’s used these preservation techniques but go on? 😂

[@chaimafaghet7343]

@@zoiders It's boiled linseed oil, and yes it's used extensively on steel as a rust preventative.

[@joshmeads]

Looks like we're getting closer to the end of WW1 find. Would really love a move to WW2. So many awesome guns to cover.

[@madaboutmilitaria3630]

Dam you two, I’ve never wanted a Martini until this series.

[@S7eveThePira7e]

Freakin awesome day, thanks guys!

[@demos113]

Good viewing to wind down with in the evening.🙂

[@wildcaughtfirewood1511]

Great vid. I have a Mk IV and I’m looking forward to that episode

[@cannonfodder4376]

Another informative episode as always.

[@TheEdd1234567]

Thanks dave .

[@PajamaPantsStudios]

Big thanks to Dave from Dublin

[@YourJudgeLaw]

I still love this rifle in this video game called, "Battlefield 1." There is a skin on rifle called, "Zulu." which is the reference to the movie. However when I am in a match, my favorite skin is, "The Flaming Bullet." My favorite "WWI Sniper" of all time.

[@skaicao648]

I’m currently attempting to complete the 300 elimination challenge to unlock the sniper variant, simply because it sort of looks like the one in Sherlock Holmes: game of shadows

[@timblack6422]

Best channel … ever!

[@kksmith244]

Amazing series! I'm seriously considering building a .50 BMG Martini Action.

[@xdgamer2765]

shoulder artillery fire winchester lever action is basically a thing buddy

[@MyLonewolf25]

Case length is gonna be an issue. You’d be better served with something like a ruger #1 falling block style

[@donmears4090]

Thank you Dave from Dublin for this Martini Happy Hour (twofers you know). 🍸🍸

[@KB10GL]

While I am late to the party, there is a Martini Henry Carbine that has been overlooked. First came the Cavalry Carbine, as you have described. This was also issued to the Horse & Field Artillery as well, however, the Garrison Artillery also wanted a Carbine. Initially they were issued with the Snider carbine, however, there were not enough to go around. The request was for a Martini Henry Carbine, with sling & provision for a bayonet. The tip of the Bayonet was to be the same distance from the buttplate as the tip of the rifle Bayonet was from the rifle buttplate. This made for a long Bayonet, or a short sword, Pick your own description. Since there was no "approved pattern" it was decided to go with an "interim pattern" design. All of the Interim Pattern arms were supposed to be conversions of existing Cavalry Carbines, however it is thought that some were converted from new made Cavalry Carbines. To perform this conversion, butt swivels that had been removed from MK1 rifles when they had been converted to MK2 spec, which had been held in store at Wheedon were utillised. A special top band was made with a sling swivel & a rifle sling was used. A total of 1053 of these conversions were made by the time that an approved pattern was put into manufacture. The unapproved "interim pattern" arms were recovered & returned. A question arose as to what to do with these unapproved arms. An order from the NSW [Australia] Government for twenty Carbines had remained unfilled for two years, so twenty of these arms were sent off to fill this order. The remaining arms had their butt swivel removed & returned to store. The resulting hole was filled with the same wood peg that had been used when converting the MK1 rifles to MK2 spec & the butt was refinished in the same way. The top band, with swivel was also removed & replaced with the standard Carbine top band that had been removed during the conversion. The resultant arm was now an approved pattern Cavalry Carbine & reissued into service as required. The twenty interim pattern arms subsequently arrived in NSW & were issued to the colonial NSW Gaols service. [Gaols is pronounced "Jails" but is the correct English language spelling] When they were finally released from service, the survivors were issued to the ABC [Australian Broadcasting Commission] props department where they were used in a few TV productions. Eventually the survivors were released into the market. I believe that four intact examples exist as well as one very rough & incomplete example. I found two of these in pieces not far from the Trial Bay Gaol where that had originally served their early life. One is now restored while I use the other for Pigs & Goats in heavy scrub.

[@andneekey]

thanks for this

[@wagon9082]

Good Video. Can't wait for the Mark IV

[@colinarmstrong1892]

Love the in depth video's please do lots more

[@robviousobviously5757]

not usually a fan of a 3 martini lunch.. but I approve... 🍸

[@paulbarthol8372]

Mark 2 wiggle. Reminds me of the M16 foregrip.

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

People be like "Why was the SA 80 such a dog, unlike its predecessors?" C&R show us that the British Army took like 30 years to iron out all the bugs of 2 of the last 3 service rifles! So the SA 80 is pretty much on track!

[@johnfisk811]

The Lee Enfield came out in 1888 and they were still tweaking that bunduq in WW2 50 odd years later.

[@chpet1655]

Regarding Balloon busting and incendiary ammo: For the British at least they fell back on the old .45 caliber Maxim gun ammo which was very prevalent in the late 1800s. At least until the Vickers .303 became the norm. But from time to time you’ll see references made to 11 mm Vickers guns mounted on airplanes to shoot down Zeppelin’s and of course they loaded incendiary ammo in them.

[@kepanoid]

I remember seeing a KZbin video with a similarly preserved Martini-Henry. I don't remember whose video it was, but the gun was from the Nepalese stash, and the coating had yak hair or something like that in it. It wasn't preservation gone wrong, it was intentional. I don't know enough about the markings all the different Eastern MHs have, but maybe yours shares some of that history.

[@brianfoster4434]

Yay! The "All Martini" channel. :)

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

33:12 Mae in full troll mode there! I could really do with a modern reproduction in .303 British with modern metallurgy to handle modern pressures.

[@MB-nn3jw]

Q. Is that a South Australian IC1 carbine? It looks to be in fantastic, original condition. As you pointed out, no screw holes for the sight protector, which is uncommon. At that time, each Australian state or colony as they were then known, was separately governed, and had its own army/armed forces. Procurement therefore was the responsibility of each colony. As a result, Oz now has MH long rifles and carbines with individual state markings scattered throughout. Federation didn't take place until 1901.

[@BIG-DIPPER-56]

EXCELLENT - THANKS ! ! ! 🙂😎👍

[@alexhemsath6235]

A man walks into a bar and orders a dirty Martini...something something Ballistol.

[@ronaldomello4463]

Muito linda. Não sei qual é o calibre. O cartucho foi carregado com pólvora negra? Com desarma o gatilho? É só a rir a a,avança alavanca

[@brittakriep2938]

Britta is my girlfriend, i am german Metal worker, born 1965. During my jobtraining ( Lehre) 1982 to 1985 we had the joke , you can use Ballistol for everything exept drinking. In 1970s/ early 1980s Ballistol was sold in glass bottles. A PR paper was added which told, for which things Ballistol can be used ( For example cleaning dirty ears of your hunting Dog).

[@tokinsloff312]

It might be a footnote in the epic history of the Martini-Henry, but I'll be waiting with bated breath to hear "war were declared!"

[@ronaldomello4463]

É só abrir a alavanca ou seria obrigado a usar a trava?

[@charlesmarino2027]

Congratulations on monetization!

[@coleburnley1629]

MORE MARTINI!!

[@redsky8509]

okay, thank you for doing these in-depth videos. Ballistol, been using it for years, p.s. yes it burns when you get it in a cut, but it works, for wound care?

[@G7VFY]

I wonder if there is a market for a 'modern' Martini-Henry MkIII in a more available cartridge, like maybe 4570 or similar.

[@johndegnan5703]

I like the simplicity and robustness of the Rolling block better.

[@Lomi311]

Let’s go all Martini Channel!

[@PsychoDad89]

The Saga continues

[@carlcarlton764]

Any plans to do the American bolt action rifles predating the Krag? Remington Lee to M1895.

[@grahampalmer9337]

Dave from Dublin. You have my eternal gratitude as one of the countless that views for nowt. I am afraid that the Great Waster of Public Money, the British Government, is nowhere near as generous when it comes to its own citizens. Well. Not the Law abiding ones at least(!) So, again, many many thanks ..... Right! When's the next Martini Henry episode?!

[@JChan880]

Has anyone figured out Othais' riddle at the end?

[@c1ph3rpunk]

Oooh, new Forgotten Weapons+++ episode!!! Now if I could just find Henry, he’s probably drinking another Martini again. Good you did a long gun, I can’t shoot car beans, causes too much gas pressure on my receiver. Thanks, thanks, I’ll be here all night, and remember to tip your server.

[@Sman7290]

You absolutely should do the 1909/10. Please tell me you made the detour.

[@maewinchester2030]

1909 is in the bank, now we need a 1910 to make the full sweep!

[@nickm9123]

Danger pencil needs to be painted on a article of cloth, perhaps worn above the pant line. I'm writing this way to prevent bots stealing that idea, so Mae and Othisis can use this as a fund raiser.

[@hermatred572]

Neat!

[@doktour_tie]

You should have Garandthumb on the show when you do the Garand.

[@shawnmiller4781]

I would love to find the factory engineering drawings for the martini Henry

[@jonrolfson1686]

Tii Martunis on a Tiwsday afternoon; What could be better than that?

[@McNubbys]

This is a cool rifle😊

[@louregietalboresvillaruz9281]

Used in Anglo Zulu War in 1879

[@Pcm979]

The next video won't be Martinis? I'm shaken.

[@shootingwithmitch5921]

How do you like your martini?

[@davidbrennan660]

Hail Dave from Dublin.

[@davidellenbaum1229]

boy that looks like it kicks

[@djinfreemind1966]

I think Martini looks so surprised in the photo because of Henry's hat. 😮

[@MrWarwick15]

My thanks to you all! Great content! Othias and Mae, Dave from Dublin, Michael Blackwell, Ballistol, Mark Mehrer for selflessly sharing his 'Babies' with us. DrakeGmbH. Suzie, Bruno, Noyemi Karlaite and RIA. Triana Protection for the range. Hats off to you all!

[@William_Bryant]

*Keep Calm and Affix Bayonets.*

[@randalljeffs7272]

I think saddle “holsters” are typically referred to as scabbards. But I could be wrong. Also, the Sawback blade is also known as a sword breaker. For someone with a decent amount of knowledge in sword play the back of that blade can be used to catch and then snap your opponents sword in half.

[@SlavicCelery]

*Matt Easton anger developing in the distance* Dude, be careful what you say!

[@lucidnonsense942]

The sawback is definitely NOT the sword breaker. It's a bonus utility item. Sword breaking most likely wasn't ever a thing. The physics are just not feasible, it's likely a Victorian era misrepresentation.

[@randalljeffs7272]

@@lucidnonsense942 thanks didn’t know that

[@akatripclaymore.9679]

Hard hitting rifle 11mm what caliber is that..like 48?

[@-----REDACTED-----]

Happy Ballistol-fan noises

[@downunderrob]

"Very Good Sir. The Scouts report, Zulus to the South-west. Thousands of them."

[@vernonlawrenceiv932]

Isn’t that “preservative” what the Nepalese used? Yak hair and some form of grease/fat conglomeration?