Canine Behavior Review with Sue Sternberg and Gia Savocchi

[@top-dogk9training]

A few realities: 1) you two don't have the skills of Cesar Milan 2) it's clear you can only handle extremely submissive domesticated canines 3) again you don't have the skills to work with Lions etc. maybe that should clue you in to removing your ignorance on managements skills with canines that aren't submissive furniture 4) quit trying to minimize EXECUTING and Murder with euphemisms

[@ThinkingCanine]

I work in animal control, with dangerous dogs, and doing court ordered evaluations on dangerous dogs. This year we had multiple dogs who had badly injured people (broken arms, facial disfigurement, etc,).

[@lovechafes]

Imagine being a dog trainer and thinking Cesar Milan is skilled in 2022 😂

[@TraceeGriffith]

Reality check…. Cesar Milan is a celebrity who cant manage his own dog that killed at least one dog and attacked at least one person causing life changing damage. 2) We are not talking about placing working dogs with experienced handlers, we are talking about placing back yard bred genetic disasters with Susie Q soccer mom in suburbia or Joe Blow in the inner city that wants a “guard dog” in his studio apartment. 3) Just because it’s good with me or you or 1 staff member doesn’t mean it is fit to live with anyone else. I have “top of the food chain” guard dogs. I am the last stop before EBI for my breed. I have many good friends who raise and train working K9s. Our time is spent explaining to people why they don’t want these dogs not pawning them off on anyone we can. 4) management fails 99.9% of the time. Even the best pet owner in the world can not control the actions of other people. Lastly, genetics matter, all dog breeds have genetic traits, you can not train them away. Pointers point even in pet homes.

[@flowrising]

Question: do you actually consider Cesar Milan a good trainer? Like... that you genuinely think he has skills? Have you seen his handiwork with Holly, i believe shes a yellow lab. He literally hits her with a closed fist. That is ignorance of the highest order. Why dont you share right here a link to what you consider to be a great trainer and their techniques. Even better, your videos

[@catneedham4913]

And you’re just the kind of dumbfuck who thinks a few “tshh’s” would override the insane genetics of a backyard bred monstrosity whose predatory and game impulses are not those of a normal dog, then being mystified when your “pack leader” “skills” don’t prevent Hennessy or Kaleesi or whatever stupid name you give it from disfiguring the neighbor’s kid.

[@glitterxgore6943]

I wish more shelters were this realistic and responsible as this one is. 10k dogs are killed by pitbulls every year. 50k animals (cats, livestock, etc) killed each year. 50+ human deaths yearly. Hundreds of disfigurations. Thousands of injured pets each year. These numbers would go down significantly if more shelters were this honest about bully breed instincts and genetics.

[@coch2370]

Ohmygosh- 10,000 dogs are killed?? Where did you get this info? I totally believe it. I’m getting a concealed carry.

[@deborahspier2271]

The Center for Disease Control that keeps official statistics on dog bites and fatalities disagrees with your "facts". There's NO evidence to support what you claim and research into reports of such happenings have largely been debunked by the CDC. Pits are no more inclined to attack than any other dog. Enjoy your mindless and bigoted hating. Those of us with more experience know better.

[@notmaureen]

Agreed. I don't think we'll ever get our breed bans back, but the least we can do is have our professionals not actively LYING to us about the reality of these breeds.

[@erinerinerinOOO]

Ruby ignoring the ball and searching for the baby even after it was gone was absolutely chilling.

[@jenniferlloyd9574]

And disgusting.

[@suemyles2257]

Sue sternberg is as usual pure thought gold. Yes, this is what dogs are like these days. They show up on my training classes labeled pets. They are not pets and never will be. Thank you Sue for your remarkable brain.

[@katemolly100]

Sounds like you are familiar with Sue’s work. I’ve been to a seminar of hers it was wonderful. Do you know of a KZbin video that shows ideal responses during the evaluations? This video was great because it was so long and had Sue’s feedback as we watched 👍

[@Riverchild27]

Sue is full of shit biases and prejudice nd has caused the needless deaths of thousands of dogs due to her willful ignorance, and if you agree with her you shouldn’t be allowed to “train” dogs.

[@evilherbivore13]

These are the real conversations that are needed. Keeping a dog alive for the sake of it over their quality of life is cruel. In the ideal world every dog would have a loving home. However shelter life is hard on any dog. It's unfair for dogs who will never be able to be homed safely to live like that, knowing no reprieve is possible. Is a lifetime jail sentence under maximum stress humane? No. Tough decisions have to be made for the sake of these dogs. Warehousing dogs is cruel and needs to end. Dogs with a real chance of a good life functioning happily need those spaces. Dogs deserve the best we can give them. Sometimes that's not the Disney ending. Sometimes it's peace from their suffering.

[@coffeehugger]

Yes. They emphasize that the dogs should never have been born. That's the only real solution.

[@Nikki-lodeon]

Well said.

[@DucatiQueen]

Well, not just that, the financial costs of keeping these dangerous dogs alive is absurd. Not to mention the dangers these “ volunteers “ or kennel workers have to deal with day in and day out....it’s absurd !

[@coffeehugger]

@@DucatiQueen That's why shelters have to pawn them off for freebees to the poor. Poor people in rented housing, baaaa, so what?? :/

[@rebeldown771]

Ask any prisoner who has spent time if they'd rather spend the rest of their life in solitary confinement or die, I think they may choose death.

[@thekynologist155]

In a market flooded by sentimentalism, it is so refreshing to see the reign of compassionate and realist reason in these two’s vocational convo! Thanks, ladies!

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

“This dog needs to be another planet” - madame is fantastic!! These ladies are fantastic, and I am very happy that they are calling out the reality that everyone who has gone near a shelter in the past few years understands - they are full of dogs like Ruby and Precious (ugh) that have zero sociability and are not suitable like normal dogs of any type.

[@alicesmith2261]

I have no idea why the obsession with “saving them all”, and pouring all the resources into these horrible dogs. Some of them just need to be put down. It isn’t a punishment, it’s the kindest thing. They have no quality of life otherwise and they’re a danger to society.

[@gigglingchicken8444]

My shep was considered very aggressive at the shelter. In reality these places are extremely stressful and he had no one to trust and didn't feel safe. After fighting with the behaviorist for his life I adopted him and took him home. In a year I gained his trust, got him to understand he is safe by following these guidelines. Taught him to heel off leash, have perfect recall, eliminated food aggression with people and other dogs, got him to take care of a guinea pig, and go into public spaces like breweries, festivals, and dog parks. We did that all in the first year and I only took the steps when I knew he was ready. Now 8 years later we also volunteer at the retirement centers and he loves cuddling up with elderly people and running around with the neighborhood kids. Euthanasia is not the dogs fault it is the humans. Unfortunately people treat dogs like playthings or cuddly stuffed animals rather than real creatures. Sure we unfortunately can't take the time for all of them but it's because we as a society failed them, not that they are horrible dogs. They just weren't able to have the time to feel safe or understand the guidelines that they need to follow in this human dominated world.

[@sammygirl6910]

So, to save one of your animals (a predator species) you used an innocent animal (prey species), that would be terrified, to train said predator? Your proud of yourself for that? Jesus wept.

[@gigglingchicken8444]

@sammygirl6910 Yes, I am. The guinea pig was not mine. She was one of my roommates. She was an awful person and left the poor thing out sometimes on the couch to use the bathroom, so I had to teach my dog so nothing bad happened. He took it so seriously that he even alerted me when she was out of food and water. Saved the poor things life as she was in my roommates bedroom where I couldn't see her. I would come home and sometimes I would see them napping together. You know dogs do protect prey animals all of the time. That is what livestock guardian dogs and herding dogs are for? I plan to have chickens one day, and I want them to be free-range, so I will be training my dogs to protect them.

[@RobertBreckenridge13]

So glad to see professionals working hard to do the best for aggressive dogs and the community. You can't "rescue" bite risk animals. Some animals have DNA that is backing behavior issues that will never allow them to be safe in civilization. You can't provide a quality of life that is fulfilling for these dogs, and the humane thing is to euthanize them. So many shelters put flower crowns and tutu's on animals, and say mild things like "best in a home with no other animals or small children", which is just code for "kills anything smaller than itself". On top of that, many of these dogs are pit bull variants. They were never nanny dogs. They were bred for blood sports, to attack without warning, to bite and maim, and ignore pain, and continue until they have killed their prey. Those instincts survive in modern dogs, which is why so many dog bite fatalities are from bully breeds. You can't cure bad genetics with good intentions. Some dogs just do not belong in polite society.

[@achickie39]

I came across a Facebook post complaining about the two of you, attempting to drum up hate, but the quotes they included made you seem so reasonable I wanted to hear more about the good work you do. I wish more rescues would listen to you.

[@ThinkingCanine]

Thanks!!!!

[@1978garfield]

What amazes me is the shelters know pits and other power breeds are different. They require stronger cages and panic buttons for staff. The same shelters tell adopters that "they are just dogs" once they take one home. It was refreshing to you 2 ladies mention public safety. That seems to have been lost. It is all about the aggressive dogs. No one seems to care about the people and animals in the communities those dogs wind up in. No kill was supposed to be then of killing adoptable animals just becase their time is up. None of the dogs shown here were adoptable.

[@perezismaray]

And then people or innocent animals get killed. Look at what just happened to a shelter volunteer from Oakland Park Florida. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppjQknx-pcmUiJo And this is the dog from the rescue's KZbin channel- kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIuQgmqQrK6NeKs Looks to me like a cane corso pit mix. Who in their right mind would think that you can safely rehabilitate and rehome an animal like this?

[@ravenpozsgai103]

Nobody that works with animals wants to euthanize them. NOBODY. These hard working men and women are doing incredibly hard work. These dogs are incredibly dangerous, there is never a situation where these dogs will be safe in society - they will have to go to the vets, on walks, have neighbours ect ect. One slip up could lethal. Not only that but they are sitting in cages for years taking up the spot of an adoptable dog?? I've been working around dogs for 5 + years in various avenues and sometimes it is just kinder to give them a peaceful death. Thank you for doing this incredibly hard work.

[@kellyngrey4950]

Exactly! And that's what bothers me so much about shelters that do not euthanize known aggressive dogs. They have behaviorists working with them - sure. But the problem is that the people/families who adopts these dogs ARE NOT behaviorists themselves. So they are not likely to keep up the necessary routine and discipline. Add to that a child and you're just asking for something to happen. Shelters are overflowing and will put down dogs simply because they had them for more than two weeks and have to make room for the next batch. Meanwhile, no kill shelters that pull from kill-shelters are adopting aggressive breeds to save them and trying to fix them. Just think of the space and resources that would be made available for dogs without aggressive behavioral issues!

[@FlawlessImperfectionBeauty]

This is excellent. We need to stop warehousing dogs, and adopting dangerous dogs to families. Both cruel to dogs and people. Great video!

[@JESSICALOVE834]

Well i mean even rescues save them, leave that to them

[@CelestialPulseX]

Yep. Sweet-natured dogs get put to sleep all of the time while other dogs with serious problems get "Rehab." Something I've noticed in my city (Vegas) is that it's difficult to surrender an aggressive dog. You are sent on a guilt trip & told the animal will be put to sleep, then given the runaround to schedule an appointment. What ends up happening is those dogs are turned loose on the streets in hopes someone else will keep it. If Animal Control picks it up maybe it goes up for adoption possibly putting another family in a bad position. If a dog is aggressive maybe the best thing for it and other people is humane euthanasia. I don't want a dog that can't be cordial with everyone big, small, young, or old. I don't want a dog with a trigger-haired temper. I can deal with potty training, chewing, etc. but aggression is a deal-breaker. As much as I'd love to rescue a dog, I want to have some idea of what I'll be getting. That's why and where a responsible, ethical, supportive breeder is a better choice.

[@FlawlessImperfectionBeauty]

@@CelestialPulseX I agree completely. It’s awful and so many humane societies are doing exactly that! Ethical breeders are great and they don’t add to overpopulation like the shelters try to say.

[@CelestialPulseX]

@@FlawlessImperfectionBeauty It's a topic I could go on about forever. I know rescues and shelters want to help every animal, but I think the main focus should be on the most adoptable pets. I also wish people would spend more time thinking and being realistic about what type of dog would be best in their family unit. Huskies are pretty but a handful, need a job, and are escape artists. Sight hounds can be touch-sensitive & not my first choice for a house full of kids. German shepherds, Malinois, Rottweilers, Dobermans are brilliant dogs but tend to wind up in the wrong situation with inadequate training. :(

[@reversepolarity8981]

"Can you imagine these dogs being your neighbor?" Yes. I can. The neighbor behind me had an Italian Mastiff that showed predatory behavior. I have seen aggression, and owned aggressive breeds, but never saw anything like this in 30+ years of dog ownership and 10 years of doing rescue. I was in fear of my life for 2.5 years, because this animal was left out unsupervised and could climb a chain link fence. I do not shake up easily. But nothing has ever affected me so badly. The owners shrugged their shoulders over the entire situation. It was a horrific nightmare. I had been a lifelong dog lover, but do not care for the species any longer almost entirely because of my experience with that dog.

[@wolfy1]

If a dog like that ever sets foot on my property SSS

[@coch2370]

You should never live in fear for your life. Get a gun or a high-powered stun gun or stun baton. Take the power back.

[@cypherknot]

@@pittymama4500 what?

[@hhholsteiners]

It is your legal right to shoot any dog entering your property. Unless you are in a town that bans guns. Then you cross bow, taser, and cattle prod them and never stop pushing the button. My livestock will not be placed in jeopardy, period.

[@PanasonicYouth21]

@@pittymama4500username checks out

[@beanwaddlers]

Thank you for sharing this despite all the bullying and harassment you receive. ♥️

[@flowrising]

Im seeing you both torn apart on fb right now and its the first time ive seen either of you speak. I am blown away by how anyone could disagree with this. I would go as far as to say theyre the abusive ones. Forcing dogs who arent wired right, who are genetically just... not ok... be forced to live in high stress shelter or rescue environments, to the detriment of themselves and other dogs? That is cruel. Im so sorry for the flack you both are copping. Behavioural euth needs to stop being seen as cruel. It can be a kindness

[@JJJRRRJJJ]

46:23 “They like to say she can go to an only-pet household.” “No! She needs to go to another planet!” 😂😂😂

[@jessicahowell632]

Rehome to Satan.

[@pittymama4500]

Not to mention the patting and telling her she's such a good girl when she's obviously not being such a good girl that is the opposite of behavior modification. Maybe if we told the dog that we wanted a different behavior the dog would be able to exhibit a different behavior but without that...

[@pittymama4500]

48:40 she thought she was going to attack her any moment but previously before that she said I was trying to give her food and everything to get her to stop well really what you're doing lady is rewarding her so whatever it is that you think you know you need dismiss. The basis of which they base be life and death decision on is completely unfair and irresponsible. Now don't get me wrong I think the dogs that don't have problems should most definitely always be adopted out first but that doesn't mean that we need to pretend like there's no way to help these other dogs the simple fact of the matter is that there are a lot of good dogs that need to be adopted and they deserve it more than the dogs that have not so good behavior. Despite the fact training would have fixed it easy!

[@pittymama4500]

51:00 really the entire time that this dog has been framed in a wrong light but can we all admit that the whole doll scenario is not realistic at all and that dog knows that we are not having a real baby they are not idiots. And a responsible owner doesn't just let a dog freely with a child without knowing how they will respond and it has to be done slowly with some of them and it can definitely be done responsibly no matter what their doing with the doll.

[@JJJRRRJJJ]

@@pittymama4500 Listen to how desperate you are to make excuses for this vicious dog breed… essentially, “pit bulls are being *framed* (!) to _seem_ like they’re vicious beasts! _Obviously_ this full-time dog handler is simply too clueless to successfully turn this flesh-tearing carnivore into a cute cuddly pup! Surely the crackheads in our city streets will be FAR MORE competent and responsible trainers than these full-time, professional know-nothings! Come on, what are you so worried about??”

[@GenerationalSavant]

The baby vs ball test is pretty indisputable. Even if she wasn't sure the baby was human or alive, it clearly wasn't just her 'toy' response either. And that was a nice half deflated ball. One she could carry and 'play' with the exact same way. One she could attack/shred with ease. But no. Not interested (or very interested) in the deflated ball. And honestly even her 'not very interested' behavior is rude/dangerous/inappropriate, just less.

[@DucatiQueen]

50:30 the reason this dog doesn’t “ communicate “ is because these Gladiator Breeds are bred to not give indication of a imminent attack. That’s what gives them the opera hand when they fight ..... it’s random , unprovoked and brutal...usually drags on past their “ opponents “ death. That’s a Bully breed for you......bred to literally KILL other dogs .....and sometimes people. What a great breed to have in your neighborhood, isn’t it. Nothing like having to carry a firearm to check your mail or take a morning stroll with your pet because of this vile breed invading the peaceful suburbs.

[@barnboi2562]

Amen

[@aylaosterloth2969]

I understand how hard it is to come to terms with euthanizing dogs but keeping them alive for the sake of things in inhumane and irresponsible. This is such important work and a conversation that really needs to be had.

[@angelah.3402]

She is the “family dog”, that mauls a baby, and the family says, “she never bit anyone, she was a good dog, then she just snapped”. All the signs were there, all the body language indicators were there, but the family didn’t notice those subtle yawns, shakes, eye contact, ears back, tail strait up, posturing, dominating scent marking all over the house and the humans in the house! I think MOST people don’t know jack shit about dogs! Just watch dog park videos. You’ll see probably 95% of the humans that have no clue what their dogs are doing. They will see their dog, go and stand with its head over top of another dogs head/neck, and think it’s just cute, & their dog is trying to cuddle. They all the sudden, the other dog nips at their dog. And they think that dog is a bad dog. When in reality, their dog was trying to dominate that dog, and that dog stood up for itself.

[@jenniferlloyd9574]

I've had dogs my whole life. Normal dogs... One day, a neighbor's young pitbull followed me into my house as I carried in groceries. When I turned around in my kitchen, I was facing it as it stood there watching me. Its body language made my hairs stand on end. It was directly facing me, stiff legged, squared off with eyes staring bluntly forward. I've never had a normal breed face me in that fashion. I had a package of sliced ham in my hand which I ripped open. Next, I dropped slices as I walked, causing it to follow me outside.

[@marianwhit]

Super important work, and my respect to the people putting themselves in harm's way to evaluate these dogs for the benefit of innocent people. Thank you.

[@treestuffer]

reminder: Cesar Milan's own pit murdered Queen Latifas dog and maimed a woman for life

[@pittymama4500]

And you got this information from where? Because that's actually just rumor

[@fatcat5817]

Hush money exists sweetheart. ;) Sometimes my arms dealer gives me some.

[@sailorgabbie]

Was just sent this video. It should be required viewing by all shelter/rescue personnel. Especially ones who think dangerous dogs can be placed in family homes.

[@emilka2033]

Anyone who has worked or volunteered at a shelter for long enough are bound to encounter a couple of dogs that were dangerous to be around. The kennel environment is very hard on dogs, you want them there for as little as possible. Kennel stress can take years off of a dog's life. I worked at a veterinary clinic a few years ago that boarded both client and shelter animals - I distinctly remember an American Bulldog named Rufus who was surrendered due to biting the owners' 4 year old child. The family said they were afraid of him and that he was unpredictable. He would seem ok as you took him out, but on the way back in as you led him into his kennel something would change. He would re-enter the kennel willingly, but would become very still and suddenly turn on the person if they tried to reach into the kennel space again or shut the door behind them. The other staff members and I frequently dealt with him snarling and lunging at us through the bars. He was also very predatory and hyper-focused on other dogs/animals. He was only supposed to stay with us for a week before a rescue or shelter had the space to take him in, but the few who tried to come and pick him up saw this behavior and wouldn't take him because of the liability he posed. He was huge (120 lbs) and I was honestly scared of having to manage a dog like that. It was nearly impossible for us to give him the exercise and stimulation he needed because it was too dangerous for us to handle him. The last rescue that tried to come and take Rufus couldn't get him into the back of the car because he tried to bite and fought with the lady picking him up. He was euthanized after that. He was in the kennel for around 7 weeks and honestly subjecting him to that cell for that amount of time was too long. He had broken teeth and lesions in his mouth from biting the bars as he lunged at people/other dogs. I really don't see how anyone could adopt a dog like that out to anyone in good conscience or try and confine him to a kennel environment just for the sake of keeping him alive. The fact that certain rescues and no-kill shelters will keep these kinds of cases for 2, 3, or even 4+ years in a kenneled environment or dump them on some foster that now has to deal with it blows my mind. Sorry this was kind of long but I think it's important to talk about.

[@elinahalla]

This video was excellent and everyone who says "blame the owner not the breed" should watch WITH SOMEONE WHO can explain it when pitnutters start the "every breed matters"-screeching.

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

Especially you should learn basics about dogs. kzbin.info1e0tYJSdlts?feature=share

[@PariahQuail]

GLORIOUS.... ♥️♥️♥️♥️ thanks to both presenters for the work they did here.

[@mariekiraly100]

Good for Sue! She's a good person. I'm going to send this video to all the shelters in Denver.

[@sonjavetsch258]

What an incredibly informative and well done video. This is accurate research that needs to be shared state to state. Kids and other animals are taking the brunt of the uneducated mindset that follows owning a pit. Thank you.

[@ingasparrow]

I'm not in favor of dogfighting at all, but I must admit I'm seeing dollar signs watching Ruby in action. She's almost pure muscle, she's powerful and once she's got something in her sights, she sees nothing else. The fact that Ruby was still driven to maul another dog in spite of being severely ill with a fever would make dogfighters fall all over themselves to have her. You will never see more powerful predators in the wild do anything like that...because they haven't had all their intelligence and survival instincts bred out of them. In any other time and place, Ruby would be a champion, maybe even legendary for her prowess. Instead, some fruity little cult is desperately arguing for Ruby's life because they believe they can turn her into the housepet she clearly isn't interested in becoming.

[@tracyakins2822]

Adopting out dangerous dogs is irresponsible and dangerous! Not only that keeping them alive is a big waste kv tax payers dollars and resources! Stop keeping these dogs alive all in the name of No kill it is bs! Stop pittying these horrible deadly creatures cause they sure don't pittu you!

[@devildoggie13]

So tragic

[@m-ok-6379]

Put down any dog that behaves like these killing machines and anybody that says otherwise should never be allowed to own a dog like this.

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

First shut up idiots who are not able reading dogs. 😉

[@wolfy1]

Wow. This is so fascinating and very scary. This is what's happening in my town right now. The rescues and shelters have been importing these dogs from downstate and other states and adopting them out to people in the neighborhoods. My neighborhood is seeing an increase in dog attacks both on other dogs and on people. Other dogs have been killed and people have been seriously injured already. It doesn't even make the news, people are too scared of being attacked by the pitbull lobby to say anything about it.

[@TheLastSecretGarden]

Absolutely fascinating, these are incredible videos. Thank you so much for sharing the videos of your process and the honest analysis. I think anyone looking to adopt a dog of any breed should be made to view these.

[@ThinkingCanine]

Thanks!!!!

[@jackiewebb1153]

this is amazing to watch. ruby is a pure sight to be seen. very grateful for the knowledge she is igniting for us dog trainers. She had no thought process, you can see it in her tail. Its still and loose most of the time

[@lucymuir7754]

Thank you for posting this. It really shows how pit bulls are different, and how dangerous it is that people want to adopt out dogs this incredibly dangerous. Sue Sternberg is awesome as usual. I'm so glad that there are behavioral specialists like Gia Savocchi who know what they are seeing!

[@sandrachlubna9925]

Where is the Captain, Lucy?

[@jackytheripper]

Absolutely, that is no longer a dog. Put it down immediately

[@angelah.3402]

Watching Ruby, 🤔 I was like “WTF…she’s a disturbed, strange dog”! She is terrifying! I was so nervous watching Gia test her. She is not normal, in any sense of the word! It’s really heartbreaking! Cuz it’s not her fault! I just hate this!

[@erickanorris567]

IMO every time a dog goes out to an adopter and then is aggressive , bites, seriously injurers a person or other pet it reduces the number of people who are willing to adopt. Personally I'm aggravated that some "no kill" shelters harbor dogs that will never be suitable for adoption for years, because that causes several more adoptable well tempered dogs at municple shelter to be euthanized due to over crowding instead of being able to off load adoptable dogs to the "no kill" shelter.

[@yesme9115]

This video explained what I observed when stuck close to a family with an xl pit. The dog had no real warmth to them but was clearly watching to make sure no one got close. Thankfully the dog was muzzled. They weren’t acting like a pet.

[@julieveggie]

The dog behaviorist proved these are high liability dogs that are a threat to children and other people's pets. I would not want Ruby or these other dogs in my neighborhood! Don't Adopt High Liability dogs!

[@JESSICALOVE834]

Lord

[@umi2751]

When I was a child a belgian shepherd attacked me aiming for my neck. This tests are so important. Thanks a lot for the hard work. I do have a anxious dog but this type of behaviour I have not seen since that attack...

[@Madronaxyz]

These tests have not been validated by multiple experimenters. Both of the two most used behavioral testing animals shelters are primarily promoted by the people that created them. Sue Sternberg created one of the two. They have to use them because they're all they have right now. But it is dangerous to feel sure of the test results. There's just not been enough testing done to feel sure of the results. Once a human being feels sure of something they stop looking for new information. That can result in a lot of dogs being killed that shouldn't have been killed. It can also result in some dogs not being euthanized when they should have. Most people hate uncertainty. But if uncertainty is reality we are doing ourselves and the dog to disservice by ignoring the uncertainty

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

@@Madronaxyz exactly. In my opinion its a kind of forcing interests, and Mrs Sue is not the person everyone is thinking. 😉

[@catneedham4913]

@@Madronaxyz They can’t be fully “effectively” tested, because they can’t be replicated for two reasons, genius. One, with shelters being overrun with these backyard bred pieces of shit, there aren’t enough volunteers who actually HAVE the skills to properly evaluate, ESPECIALLY if they are pre-biased to think “all doggos are the same and look at this chonky velvet hippo”, and two, to *really* test, they’d need a live subject. Which unfortunately happens too late when some naive do-gooder wants to put a flower crown or jam jams on it and then is astonished when it goes from killing the family cat to disfiguring a neighbor’s child. Other than that your assessment was spot on 🙄🤣👍🏻 (that was sarcasm in case you’re too stupid to get it)

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

@@Madronaxyz This test legitimizes the murder of dogs. Sue Sternberg shows in several sequences that she misanalyzes that she has no idea about dog behavior and definitely hates dogs. The pit bull that chases and shakes the toy dog: is completely inconspicuous and social with humans. Ms. Sternberg proves her incompetence by judging the dog as antisocial. This dog even puts up with the crazy rummaging around in the food. The one who actually expresses antisocial behavior here is Ms. Sternberg. She's a real satan for dogs. She has dogs put to sleep that are inconspicuous because they are not compatible with dog parks. Since Mrs. Sternberg does not know this in her incompetence: pretty much every working breed bred for reactivity is incompatible with members of the same sex. 🤭🤭 The whole attitude of this woman and with her many Americans towards dogs is sick. First they screw up dogs, then they are killed in so-called shelters. DOGS need to be protected from people like Sue Sternberg.

[@CoftheIsland370]

This video adds more context to the Petfinder ads for pits and their mixes. These dogs are NOT pets!

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

Obviously you understand nothing about dogs. Learn basics about dogs that you lack. 🤭 kzbin.info1e0tYJSdlts?feature=share

[@watsonspuzzle]

I see now why people are so shocked when their dog attacks. Some of the behaviors were so obvious. Some were not only really subtle but could be construed as something happy and friendly. It seems people may be thinking a dog's intentions are quite different from what the dog's thoughts, feelings, and intentions really are.

[@karenmacrae9232]

Rainbow bridge time for these dogs

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

Obviously Americans are sick.

[@ws90ninety]

1:11:47 THIS IS THE PROBLEM! Dog advocates that have stepped into the realm of FANATICISM. You cannot reason with FANATICS.

[@TheVickster321]

I completely agree. It disgusts me.

[@perezismaray]

And then people get killed, latest was a shelter volunteer in Oakland Park Florida kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppjQknx-pcmUiJo

[@corvo304]

Truly amazing and enlightening video. I've seen Sue Sternberg before and really love her, I'm new to you Gia, but am incredibly impressed by both your skills and knowledge. I've been a dog trainer for 3.5 years and do work behavioral cases, this was very educational and I was enthralled hearing both your and Sue's assessments and perspectives.

[@mariekiraly100]

THANK YOU! It's Pits/mixes, ALL THE TIME. My neighborhood and surrounding area have so many "rescue" pits/mixes. You see the owners being pulled down the sidewalk (cause they don't know how to control their pits). The only problems we've ever had, is with the pits that ALWAYS escape from their homes. I can't even mention this without people going completely ballistic on me. I'm the "bad" guy for speaking out. I've done so much research. I've owned TWO pits on 2 separate occasions. The first was dog aggressive. The second was dog AND people aggressive. It was awful. I got rid of both because of the aggression. The second one would have ABSOLUTELY killed one of our neighbors. Anyhow, thank you for your honesty. It took owning two of these to finally realize, it's the genetics. Oh, I've noticed that when children/adults are killed by these monsters, they almost always get to live, and the owners almost always have no repercussions. It's really really bad. I wish you could speak to all my neighbors who think this behavior is normal!!

[@Nikki-lodeon]

I think it's fair to say that there may be a higher proportion of bully breeds that are aggressive towards, well anything. However, it's important to keep in mind that not all bully breed dogs are like that. Some breeders actively select for sociability and some bully dogs that wind up in the rescue system are quite gentle. Personally, in my 10+ years of animal care experience, I've seen more Labradors attack other dogs than I've seen bullies attack other dogs. Labradors are supposed to have a very low likelihood of dog-dog aggression given the breed's historical uses. My evidence is anecdotal, but the point is we can't use a broad brush to paint a whole breed group one color. It leads people back to believing that if they avoid one specific kind of dog, they'll be safe. It means they're more likely to interpret the behavior of a block-headed dog as aggressive, while labeling the same behavior from a golden long-haired dog as excited. And I'm saying bully breeds to encompass a number of different breeds that get mistaken for "pitbulls" and actual American Pit Bull Terriers. Most people can't identify a real pit bull from a line up, especially when mixed with other breeds. My own dog has been mistaken for a pit mix, and she has no bully breeds in her.

[@sandrachlubna9925]

Marie, why not take your hate elsewhere?

[@MrElinBjorck]

@@sandrachlubna9925 I'm not educated enough about pitbulls to speak about then in particular. But behavioural differences between dogbreads is totally a thing, and if you take a dog that comes from a long line of animals that were breed for fighting, it's not crazy to assume that it might be prone to aggression. I don't understand how; Saying that something does not make a good pet, is the same as hating it. There are tons of animals that I can say for certain doesn't make good pets, and I don't hate any of them. There are also tons of dog breeds that are not for everyone, acknowledging that is really important if you want these dogs to have a good home and it is not the same as hating these breeds.

[@tracyakins2822]

@@sandrachlubna9925 She cN say what she wants to Sandy,stop trying to bully people because no has to or wi listen to you! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if you don't like it then that's to bad!

[@PariahQuail]

@@sandrachlubna9925 I love big cats but I HATE seeing them in so called sanctuaries in tiny chain link cages. When I see a tiger in a small cage my heart breaks for that cat, because it is supposed to roam up to 50 miles in a day. Ignorance, and a desire to keep that tiger alive AT ALL COSTS is what put that tiger in that cage. I don’t hate tigers. I would never have one as a pet or handle one because of how unpredictable and dangerous they are. I understand what a tiger is, and that prevents me from messing with them. I feel the exact same way about pit bulls.

[@l_anzett2058]

I have never in my life seen a dog and thought euthanasia was the only option left, but with this one, Ruby? I'm not from a country that guns are as common in as USA, but all that is bouncing around in my brain is that any dog owner in my country would shoot this dog to put it out of this world. Dogs should not act like that. Sometimes euthanasia really is the only thing left, because I can't imagine an indoor sanctuary that would provide not a good, but a passable quality of life to Ruby. Just watching these videos of Ruby make me uneasy. Dogs were initially domesticated to hunt game with humans, but this dog wouldn't be able to do any jobs or tasks for or with humans. Fully agree with your assessments, stay healthy and safe!

[@l_anzett2058]

Also, in my country, shelters are full of dog and pet reactive dogs, and human reactive dogs, anything reactive, and the description will be like "he is still a puppy! needs an experienced single handler with no children! only to a single pet house and reinforced gates and fences ❤️!", and when you get to the shelter the dog is a mess, on a test walk is leash and stranger reactive, there are very rarely peaceful or calm dogs, and people think it's okay because they will "guard the home" either on a chain or limited to a fenced frontyard their whole life.

[@l_anzett2058]

At least when I get a dog I will be doing everything I can so that my future dog does not turn out like that, so the reactive dogs are useful for something: a negative example and an incentive to do better in the future.

[@Nikki-lodeon]

In the past, people here in the U.S. would shoot the dog. In rural portions of the country where there are more farmers, individuals are also more likely to shoot or euthanize for behavior like this.

[@l_anzett2058]

@jenkinscrowe Really sad that this seems to be the trend internationally, not giving enough info about the dogs in shelters.

[@reversepolarity8981]

@@l_anzett2058 You can't prevent this behavior with training. These animals are descended from the Roman gladiatorial dogs brought to the British Isles, whereupon they were used as guard dogs, for bear/bull baiting and dog fighting. The adage that there are no bad dogs is entirely untrue. Some animals are just not suitable as pets.

[@practicalone2]

Richard Stratton, , bloodsport dog fancier/fighter, author wrote that a "good" game dog can read its opponent's weaknesses and use it to their advantage. Game dogs are reading others all the time and looking for opportunities to attack.

[@danamatsukawa4762]

people should be afraid of dogs that are showing signs of aggression. they have 42 knives in their mouths that sever skin from bone.

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

Every dog shows aggression. Its absolutely normal. Every human shows aggression too. Learn basics.

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

@@Doodle456 😆😆😆😆 Every dog becomes aggressive, Aggression is normal part of canine behavior. Learn basics about dogs that you lack

[@digglygickmcgee]

@@saarlooswolfhund6237 the whole "so many people don't even realize this isn't normal dog behavior" comes to mind...

[@klospike]

Wise words are spoken here !!

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

Incompetence is spoken here. Sue Sternbergs test is pure bullshit from beginning to end. She's unable to read and analyze dogs. .

[@LadyhawksLairDotCom]

Thanks for opening my eyes. What a crime humanity has committed by creating "game" dogs and then attempting to soften their image and foist them on the community. It's not the dogs' fault. It's not even the fault of (most) humans. I really don't see a way out of this conundrum. Do you?

[@toddperov304]

Hope many people will see this prior an adaption.

[@magicalone22]

Thank you for an extremely informative video, this shows exactly the problem with a lot of pit bulls and why we need to stop breeding them. I hope this dog gets put out of her misery and prey she isn't adopted out to someone. We need not breed dogs like this, no amount of love, raising , training will help it.

[@erickanorris567]

people in my neighborhood are walking their dogs with a hand gun because of our pit bull problem along with other large dogs that either get out , or on several occasions I've seen the owner dragged by a large dog they couldn't control. I've had dogs that weighed more than me and I got them under operant conditioning asap for good leash behavior.

[@JaesadaSrisuk]

Ms. Sternberg is such an intelligent and thoughtful person, I wish more animal lovers could see this. That video of the Cane Corso being able to open the guillotine door is utterly terrifying.

[@DickyPasedena]

Do you have a link to that video? My sister has a Corso 😬😬 scary

[@Voldemartha]

​@@DickyPasedena 1:40:33 I think they meant here

[@dunringillgsd]

Super interesting, thanks for posting this. and scary, I wouldn't want any of these dogs living next door to me. Now i need to go look at video of good balanced dogs!

[@yamnjam]

Well said! We need to go back to using common sense and realize some of these things are too far gone and should not be adopted out. It's way too dangerous.

[@akkiaaa]

Thanks for doing this.

[@TheCCSPCA]

Scary stuff. The hard thing and the right thing are so often the same thing. Every story can't be a fairytale. We need to protect our communities. XO

[@josiebeug2919]

Thank you for being realistic. I worked in shelters for 8 years and warehousing animals in "sanctuaries" is often NOT quality of life. Yes to "keeping them alive just for the sake of keeping them alive", and "they are not livestock" - exactly.

[@poisonouslead85]

And a lot of those "sanctuaries" collapse in a pile of animal neglect charges. We document them on the petrescueexposed subreddit.

[@kellyngrey4950]

I love how they have to drug these dogs to get them to chill. Dangerous dogs gonna be dangerous dogs.

[@rebeldown771]

Great video, can't wait to share. Tell Sue I really liked her book on adopting shelter dogs.

[@DogsbiteOrg]

Us too!

[@JESSICALOVE834]

Get out of here dogs bite

[@JESSICALOVE834]

@@marka8537 hey why dont u , help ppl or help the victims, i bet u havent helped

[@rebeldown771]

@@JESSICALOVE834 you might want to get your single brain cell out of here before it burns up

[@JESSICALOVE834]

@@rebeldown771 u probably haven't helped yourself

[@nickyp2820]

Not very many humans understand what dogs are naturally - highly social scavenger predators - not fur babies or how much work it is to socialise, manage and train them. Good video to teach people.

[@taysikanen]

This is extremely good case and interesting material. Thank you!

[@lollachimitris3365]

This dog has zero interest in interacting with a human-just wants what she wants and to be left alone. Take what she wants or try to interact with her and you are asking for trouble.

[@saarlooswolfhund6237]

Nonsense. Ruby is with Humans absolutely normal and social, she's extremely friendly with the Visitor and tolerant by disturbing of her feeding. Shes NOT aggressive with the black Bulli, just chasing the toy dog. Sue Sternberg is unable to read dogs, she's fishing for reasons for killing dogs. This test legitimizes murder of dogs and is from beginning to end a junk.

[@gwangseopshin]

thank you so much for uploading these videos. I will be working in animal shelters as a veterinarian soon and I really appreciate these cases for learning material. hope to see more of them!

[@ThinkingCanine]

Thanks for enjoying my content!

[@RLW423]

Nice of that "rescue" to stock their facility with plenty of snacks! Cats. I meant cats. Hannibal Lector's retirement village indeed. These people will endanger a hundred other animals and people for the sake of ONE unstable pitbull with an established history of severe issues.

[@VictimAdvocate]

If you can't find it in your heart to put a pit down, get it fixed so it won't pass on genetic traits, and then have its teeth removed.

[@mcchellero]

Obviously, having its teeth removed is inhumane.

[@VictimAdvocate]

@@mcchellero It’s better than being put down, they remove the front grippers, and leave the crunchers 😌

[@robertkezer3665]

This is very interesting and in line with what I have experienced

[@catsunn6447]

WHy are they spending so much time on this dog...it needs to be put down asap.

[@Kirritoo]

I think they are trying to show the whole spectrum of behaviours. They are in no way injuring or even mentally harming the dog, so I have no problem with it

[@tracyakins2822]

Exactly! Can't stand hoe much time they put into these horrible creatures!

[@tracyakins2822]

Sheef waste of time smh

[@youtube_username_]

Lawsuits are keeping Ruby alive. People think they can "rescue" her and won't allow her to be humanely euthanized.

[@MrElinBjorck]

Hello! Thank you for the video, it was verry interesting. I have a question about the tests you do: In the begining when you stand against the wall and sit in the chair; how would a dog with human sociabillity behave in those situations?

[@Kirritoo]

Normally. It would, IME at least, attempt to cajole you into interaction with it.

[@MrElinBjorck]

@@Kirritoo Thank you! What does IME stand for? I found so many different results when I googled it.

[@Kirritoo]

@@MrElinBjorck In My Experience. Sorry!

[@MrElinBjorck]

@@Kirritoo Thank you, no problem. I read it as something the dog was trying to do, so my best guess was "Initiate More Eye contact" 😅

[@digglygickmcgee]

Imh(unprofessional)o, and from my experience with my dog (husky): check in with you curiously (whats going on?), try to indicate they'd like to do something else, eventually settle down. My girl will sit and then lie down next to me within a few minutes once she's figured out we will be staying somewhere for a while due to my own body language and such.

[@erickanorris567]

I have seen a couple dogs with similar behavior displays put into the shy dog program where I live. Particularly older dogs that were severely neglected for year with little human contact. I only take dogs out into and area with protection devises available .

[@silviakarinaiparraguirre5165]

Gracias por el trabajo y compartir estos casos para que las personas tomen conciencia y se informen del comportamiento canino. Gracias!!

[@yarabari]

Thank you very much. I learned a lot from the comments.

[@coffeehugger]

OMG, stuff of nightmares. This is too much.

[@glitterxgore6943]

Thank you for this!

[@christopherbrian8638]

Hi 👋, how are you doing today

[@dragons_of_liberty]

What would you think about a dog who behaved the same as Ruby did towards the dolls/fake dog, but ALSO behaved the exact same way towards the ball and other toys? Would that be less concerning, or about the same?

[@brittnyhawk8633]

No one wants this dog but God. Send her home. Just other day I seen some defined two pits who got lose and killed!!!! A 7 year old girl. "Ooo...just build them a kennel. Should we kill a kid if they kill animal? They shouldn't be killed!"....like no kidding. When has human life become less over man best friend? Thank you for show casing this huge issues!

[@priscillawhitley7172]

I guess nobody wants you either but God

[@hhholsteiners]

It's our fault if we keep Fava beans and Chianti in our homes, luring Hannibal to attack.

[@satqur]

Pitbull named Princess: "Hmm, these children taste unusual. And what a strange texture. Must be a new seasoning they're using."

[@nazaxprime]

As a recovering human warrior, its as plain as day... Many men and women were bred, born, and conditioned for war, it's an extraordinary thing. Physicality has little to do with it as well, it is a psychological pathos that can be expressed in as many ways as can be imagined. It is our human social expression of negative emotion, and as such presents a threat to rhe very fabric of society. Militancy is a societies dogmatic doctrine that weilds war for the sake of casting dominion, protecting advantage and guarding primacy out of fear of the other, or out groups. This animal is a victim of that. It is a force of nature, bent to our will explicitly to serve as an instrument of war. She is a war hound. Most people can't fully understand as even if the study is their specialty, its not their being and its not likely to ever be or have been. Its a remarkable to even attempt to intentionally break your programing and place in society. That said, I have alot of faith in sub-human animal intelligence, but I don't have alot of faith in a war hound ever truly being anything but

[@watchensee]

I hope they put that stupid vicious beast, out of its aggressive misery.

[@coffeehugger]

That girl working with the dog is making me get an anxiety attack. 23:15 That dog is telling her to back off, the risk of her dying while while doing this is very real. Can't be any more clear. Please don't do this. She is so young and pretty.

[@disgustipatedwon]

Lord......

[@clickerhappyful]

At 22:15, when Ms. Savocchi is stroking Ruby from head to tail, she seems to freeze slightly and try to move away as soon as she is touched near the lower spine/ hip area. Could pain have contributed to some of her behaviors?

[@catneedham4913]

No

[@firecatskylar]

No these dogs are just aggressive shits who never should be pets 😊😊

[@DougHinVA]

piano non-music is annoying and a waste of time

[@haydenlove1192]

Kenos is a sanctuary for aggressive dogs.

[@ThinkingCanine]

What is the staff to dog ratio at Keno's? And what does that translate to in terms of time that a dog actually gets to spend with a person beyond the cage being scooped?

[@PariahQuail]

@@ThinkingCanine 🦗🦗🦗🦗 and that’s all you ever get from these people when you ask pointed questions about their aggressive dog sanctuaries. I thought those were two rather good questions to ask, IMHO-

[@catneedham4913]

Lol- Ohhh the magic Kenos, where aggressive breeds whose sole drive is to kill another living thing can be eternally frustrated by not being able to fulfill their genetic destiny… sounds really fun for the dog, the other animals at the “sanctuary” and the people staffing it who believe “every doggo deserves to live, even if they can’t do what they’re programmed to do”. Sounds like *heaven*… for the virtue signalers who can press the pleasure button in their brain that they “rescued” something.

[@Nikki-lodeon]

For those focusing on the fact that these are all bully breeds... You're missing the point. Dangerous dogs exist in all breed groups, and not all bully breed dogs are aggressive. Trying to use broad categories to identify potentially dangerous dogs is a dangerous practice in itself. The biggest problem is that it leads people to miss all of the dogs who are aggressive but don't have the overall "look" that people associate with aggression. Read the body language and behavior, not the breed label.

[@julieveggie]

Pit Bulls have EARNED their reputation by mauling and/or killing more people, pets and livestock than all other breeds COMBINED. The problem with you pit bull advocates is that you don't understand math and statistics. That's why you don't get it that pit bull type-dogs are the most dangerous breed type to own. ALL BREEDS HAVE SOME BAD OWNERS SO WHY AREN'T OTHER BREEDS MAULING AND KILLING AT THE SAME RATE AS PIT BULLS?! Pit bull type-dogs make up 7% of the dog population, so they should be only responsible for 7% dog bite-related human fatalities. Instead, they inflict 66.4% of dog bite-related human fatalities. This is significant proof they are dangerous in our neighborhoods. Please spend some time witnessing to the victims of pit bull attacks. Most attacking pit bulls are not due to bad owners but naïve owners who do not understand the dangerous pit bull breed traits. From 2005-2021, 380 people killed by pit bull type-dogs. www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php

[@Nikki-lodeon]

@@julieveggie you didn't read my post. I'm not a "pit bull advocate". I don't go around trying to tell people that "pit bulls" or any bully breed are "nanny dogs", or something like that. I absolutely believe in a genetic predisposition towards some types of behavior. No, this isn't an owner problem (not entirely anyway). I'm a big fan of Sue Sternberg and her work in this area. I'm definitely not the person you should be attacking. My point was that this hyper-focus on dogs that look a certain way leads to biases that prevent people from seeing the actual problem behaviors. If people are automatically calling a dog dangerous because it has a blocky head, are they going to notice when a labrador retriever is behaving in a dangerous manner? I'm not saying we shouldn't have heightened risk awareness around certain breeds. The dogs they are evaluating are big, powerful dogs with the potential to cause very serious harm. I'm saying that we need to focus on the specific behaviors that are dangerous and not how a dog looks. Otherwise, we're never going to reduce dog bites. I'm a dog safety advocate. I want people to know how to recognize when something is wrong and how to keep everyone safe. I've definitely advocated for behavioral euthanasia in cases where I don't think a dog can be kept safe. But I look at the body language because that's the best predictor of aggression, not breed. In the past, I've heard Sue Sternberg say that there are a higher proportion of aggressive pit-bull-type dogs than not. I don't disagree with her. But she still doesn't say ALL bully dogs are bad. In the evaluations she's doing, we don't mark dogs down for being a certain breed. We mark dogs down for showing or not showing certain behaviors. That's why it's a behavior evaluation. We also need to change people's views on behavioral euthanasia. In my opinion, that should be the biggest take away here. We're putting individual dogs we know to be dangerous into the public because we don't want to kill dogs. That needs to stop.

[@tracyakins2822]

Oh gee another pit apologist what a surprise 🙄 she's just mad because they are telling the truth and she can't handle it. Pittykng a dog that has murdered other dogs,classic 😒

[@tracyakins2822]

@@julieveggie Thank you Julie,you hit the nail on it's head! I will never understand why pit apologist defend this? Never do they talk about victims or potential victims of bully breeds or other dangerous breeds. It is people like them that is why we have this problem to begin with. To much emphasis on saving one very violent,very dangerous and worthless breed! I'm glad they pts Ruby.

[@Nikki-lodeon]

@@tracyakins2822 are you talking about me being mad? Because I agree with the other professionals here. Yes, the dogs should be euthanized. I'm fully in support of this.

[@kylegoodfield9088]

I rescued my pitbull before even made it to the shelter animal control was on the way and someone had tied her up to a railing she got into a little scuffle with my dog for a couple seconds but they got along after they ended up getting into three fights with each other I believe over jealousy the first one happened after we only had her two weeks while we were on vacation with her in a cabin in rule Vermont our buddy was playing rough with them with the rope and there were three dogs the second time they got into a fight was in my living room when that same friends girlfriend came over and they got over excited and then the third time they fought was when me and my ex broke up and she took the dogs to a new apartment and it was so bad that she had to pepper spray them for them to stop I'm talking about a 4-year-old American Staffordshire terrier some people call pit bulls and a 3-year-old American pitbull then after that the aggressive Chihuahua that lives downstairs was loose and came up to her and they got into a scuffle and the neighbor was screaming and someone was trying to break it up by hitting her in the face with a stick because I was picking her up off the ground so she didn't thrash the smaller dog around before all this she was not aggressive towards other dogs she's great with people but with dogs she is really bad now starts breathing heavy hair stands straight up and she just charges at them or pulls very hard on the leash trying to go towards them and she freaks out when they walk by the house whining barking and even coughing from freaking out can this be reversed

[@kylegoodfield9088]

Oh yeah and she also lives with my cat just fine

[@kolkasia302]

Normal dogs don't get into shuffles this often

[@BusinessDog2000]

Dude, you just found a pitbull tied up on a railing and brought her into your home? She is probably a failed fighting dog that couldn't make the cut and the handler dumped her. No wonder she's so adamant to fight *ahem*..."scuffle" with other dogs.

[@catneedham4913]

Oh Christ- the owners are just as fucking dumb as the breed. No. Fighting instincts cannot be overridden. Only managed. But congrats on bringing up an aggressive Chihuahua, seemingly the only small snappy breed of dog Pit owners can ever reference. So you got that cliche in there 👍🏻 So no- your little experiment you decided to foist on every other dog in the neighborhood will never give up on trying to kill something. It’s what it was designed to do.

[@missslick207]

Doesn't sound like you should have this dog around people at all. Full stop.

[@pittypatter8gmail178]

Kennel agression is a real thing and even the calm dogs will act up, so don't confuse this with "aggression". Shelters are not the best place to judge "troubled" dogs. Too many scents, smells different people to allow a "shelter dog to decompress. With that being said: TOH had a dog who was a court case due to "animal aggression attached 2 dogs by "running free, pushing thru doors" and he is in a perfect home today, so when there are people who understand their needs and can meet them , they truly can be rehabilitated. There has to be a need, 2 years were wasted "NOT" helping Ruby at TOB. So all of this is fine and sounds good but this 1% of your population that really needed a PLAN it did not happen. Sad, but true. Kim Strong dogs all found homes by the Rescue that took over all but 4, 3 went to small scantuaries and one had a shelter build for him (mind you Benson NEVER bit any animal or person). There was a plan and UCC found them all placements and took euthanasia off the table. I believe you should also!

[@coffeehugger]

Your comments show that you're not listening to a word they say, and you didn't sit through the whole video. That's all. Some of what they discuss involves ethics, prob way over your head.

[@lucymuir7754]

Anyone who thinks this pit can be magically rehabilitated is a menace to society

[@chrisjohnson1399]

People who ARE capable of handling a dog like this, know exactly what it is and DO NOT WANT the dog, and WILL NOT TAKE the dog. You bleeding hearts won't take the dog, either. You sit there behind your keyboard and berate everyone else for not taking in the dog. BUT NO ONE WANTS IT! Get that through your skull. If you love pit bulls, then come up with some other solutions that do work, because you trying to push a dog you don't want onto someone else who doesn't want it IS NOT A SOLUTION. Your outrage falls on deaf ears.

[@coffeehugger]

@@chrisjohnson1399 Slam dunk ditto. I could handle that dog, the trainers in the video can handle it ( though it isn't smart to get in it's face like they do!) I did pit bull rescue back in late 1980s and took over 100 dogs was never injured. But the fact is, whooooo in their right mind would spend even half an hour on this checked out, zoned, unfixable robot dog? And if we did keep it in permanent lockdown, to whom do we rehome? There are thousands upon thousands of these dogs in shelters from coast to coast and there is zero future for any of them. They should never have been born.

[@julieveggie]

The dog behaviorist proved this is a high liability dog that is a threat to children and other people's pets.

[@pittypatter8gmail178]

and far as "size matters; this dog at TOH was almost 100 pounds" So filming her equal instead of peaceful decompression and quiet time saddens me completely. Where is her help? Do this same session with a volunteer who understand Ruby, and lets compare; one sided shows are not convincing me and truth be told looks like a set up. Again taking a toy for 5 min and testing her is sad at best, quietly sit and let her play for 1/2 hour with a toy, and "lunge aways" go away, zero sociability is not a valid conclusion. This is not helping your cause, its a "SHOW".

[@lucymuir7754]

Did you not listen at all? It is a small shelter and all dogs have two hours a day of individual attention where they can exercise train and have quiet time with a person doing nothing. They do enrichment feeding exclusively. This behavioral specialist knows Ruby very well. Better than the uneducated people trying to place this dangerous dog in the community. you are seeing Sue Sterberg's assess a pet test. All behavior tests have to put gentle humane stresses on the dog to see how they react. You are watching at test. If you can't see this dog has zero sociability, you're completely lost.

[@moonlightwite]

Judging by your username and the several other comments you've already made here, you are nothing but a shill for the pit bull lobby. If you watched all of this footage and listened to what was being said here, you'd see that this dog has zero place as a companion animal with anyone on this planet. No sociability, no communication, just predatory behavior that comes with her genetics. This dog cannot be safely placed anywhere.

[@sandrachlubna9925]

LM is a hater-- uses names from old movies ( The Ghost and Mrs Muir, for examplt)

[@TheVickster321]

I am so, so sick of you bully breed apologists that will excuse all this horrifying, predatory behavior. It is abhorrent and you are a danger to your community with that mentality.

[@catneedham4913]

Well at least you managed to go one single comment without bringing up a Chihuahua. Other than that, congrats. You are truly as stupid as the breed you shill for.

[@doglabdogtraining-gus.8873]

how come we never address what the shelter environment does to behavior?, it is very easy for management and trainer to say ", is genetic " instead of doing more research , a very lazy way to be a trainer or behaviorist. Knowledge is key, use it.

[@JESSICALOVE834]

Oh and is this with all dd's or just certain breeds to fit an agenda

[@sandrachlubna9925]

Most of the comments here are from died-in-the-wool pit bull haters. They have shared the link on most of the dogsbitedotorg cult pages.

[@JESSICALOVE834]

@@sandrachlubna9925 i knew it, all these ppl are crazy, i saw this on one

[@tracyakins2822]

And you guys are die hard killer dog lovers,and you will defend the violent actions of these animals regardless of how many other animals they have killed or people they have attacked! Criticize all you want but we are not defending killers,we are trying to keep public safety,cause that is what we care about,not a breed that is intent on attacking and killing other animals and people! You may be all about that,but these people are 100% right to euthanize these dogs! It should be done alot more often! Leave out all this none sense and just pink juice them! Unlike you I can careless about killer pit bulls and I am Proud pit bull hater!

[@catneedham4913]

@@sandrachlubna9925 Yep! And most of the naysayers are idiots who think you can love and train away genetics of both breed AND direct descendants. I can no more train herding and guarding out of my GSD than I could fly to Venus. But I’d have a better shot than anyone who thinks the average backyard bred monstrosity bully breed/mix can get trained to not want to kill someone’s pet. You know why? Because even the stupidest GSD is usually WAY smarter than the smartest Pit when it comes to bite inhibition.

[@cinnamaldehyde5815]

@@JESSICALOVE834 I will never understand how someone can watch a video like this and read the rational arguments in the comments and still call us pitbull haters/crazy. There is so mush distressed compassion in Sternberg's voice when she reacts to hearing how these dogs are kept for years in the shelter and the kind of brutal reconditioning predatory dogs are subjected to at the pitbull "sanctuary". Euthanasia is a kindness to unadoptable dogs.

[@pittypatter8gmail178]

yes, teeth exam is a stresser; ha talk to any vet /vet tech, calling this a low threshold is a joke.

[@firecatskylar]

You're an idiot and responsible for pit attacks on humans, idiot

[@VertigoBear]

What is with these comments? Are these people all members of her family? She is a dangerous and highly incompetent person. TOB must not be able to afford anyone with more knowledge or skill. Horrifying.

[@lucymuir7754]

On the contrary, they are lucky to have such a competent behavioral specialist and anyone who thinks Ruby is fit to be in public is a menace

[@Nikki-lodeon]

I don't even know this person beyond some posts on social media. I agree with her because she's following the best research and evidence we have on dog behavior at this time. I think she's probably keeping that community safer.

[@pittypatter8gmail178]

using dolls and stuffed animals is so funny, 2 people are watching and the dog does not go after the people, no resource guarding come on , her technique come on ? old hat

[@JESSICALOVE834]

Ya that waa stupid lol

[@PariahQuail]

If you were right the dog would have displayed the same behavior consistently for all objects. But she didn’t. Loving a thing does not make you an expert on it. In fact some hard skeptics would say it precludes you from having an opinion on the subject beyond an appeal to emotion. Sorry this video triggered you so much as to make so many comments, only one of which made any sense whatsoever.

[@magicalone22]

@@marka8537 pit owners like the one in this comments are so delusional they don't believe in genetic predisposition, they think this dog had to be trained for this.... they are in denial, its sad but a lost cause....

[@pittypatter8gmail178]

@@magicalone22 you have got to be kidding, hundreds of owners on pits are wrong, and do just fine.

[@magicalone22]

@@pittypatter8gmail178 It's ok, you're watching a video of dogs that have no place in society. Game bred pits are not normal dogs, you'll never accept this FACT. It is normal for pit owners like yourself to argue the genetics of your breed, all it does is put people, pets, and animals in harms way. I realize it's extremely hard for you to understand that the breeding of dogs has much more than appearance, but it is the fact that all dogs are not equal. Dogs with high prey drive, gaminess, are hardwired for death basically, it isn't the dog's fault, man created them, man at least stop breeding them, it's not fair for the dogs or the victims. With all the normal dog breeds we have why do you need to latch onto ones specifically bred for bloodsports?

[@dsm.lovesoutside4496]

Interesting behavior from the humans, actually...

[@JESSICALOVE834]

Of course dogs bite is all over this

[@chrisjohnson1399]

Jealous? Or just vindictive? Have you no sense of manners at all for public discourse, or are you just a hateful aggressive sort of person?

[@sandrachlubna9925]

@@chrisjohnson1399 I've seen this link shared on at least 3 hate/cult pages telling the minions to come and comment. Dogsbitedotorg tactic for years

[@JESSICALOVE834]

@@chrisjohnson1399 righttt im so jealous, do u know the definition of jealously? And i would respect them more if they were legitimate

[@JESSICALOVE834]

@@sandrachlubna9925 yes! Forsure

[@julieveggie]

@@JESSICALOVE834 DS! YES, all dogs can bite. That's not the point! The issue with pit bulls is the degree of damage they inflict, and their attacks being more likely to result in fatality. Pit Bulls have EARNED their reputation by mauling and/or killing more people, pets and livestock than all other breeds COMBINED. The problem with you pit bull advocates is that you don't understand math and statistics. That's why you don't get it that pit bull type-dogs are the most dangerous breed type to own. ALL BREEDS HAVE SOME BAD OWNERS SO WHY AREN'T OTHER BREEDS MAULING AND KILLING AT THE SAME RATE AS PIT BULLS?! Pit bull type-dogs make up 7% of the dog population, so they should be only responsible for 7% dog bite-related human fatalities. Instead, they inflict 66.4% of dog bite-related human fatalities. This is significant proof they are dangerous in our neighborhoods. Please spend some time witnessing to the victims of pit bull attacks. Most attacking pit bulls are not due to bad owners but naïve owners who do not understand the dangerous pit bull breed traits. From 2005-2021, 380 people killed by pit bull type-dogs. www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities.php