Canon C100 Mark II vs BMPCC OG: Still The Best Cinema Cameras in 2024

[@cameraconspiracies]

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I love ZVE1 image more than these.

[@ChrithBraown]

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[@a_lucientes]

never imagined watching tech reviews for entertainment. OCD & genius is how I'd define this guy, after my in-depth analysis.

[@TkeMedia]

Best camera review channel on KZbin 10/10

[@djvidual8288]

I appreciate it very much that you upscale all the 1080p footage to 4K. So KZbin gives you higher bitrates. Should be common knowledge, but there is lots of "knowledgable" youtubers with no clue about that.

[@kostistau]

Discovered one week ago - you became my favorite KZbinr. Keep up the great work and attitude. I laugh and shout tonehhhh everytime I change aperture from now on

[@wewlad107]

ngl the footage from the c100 looks awesome

[@C.I...]

The blackmagic colours are much nicer though.

[@hhjhj393]

I want to make short films, I have a couple ideas and I have been enjoying horror movies and so I wanted to mess around. After researching cameras I realized how insane it all is. The c100 seems like my best bet though. 4k seems like too big of a hassle to even mess with. I don't know how rich I would have to be to be able to afford these more expensive cameras and lenses. Dropping $10k on cameras and lenses is absolutely out of the question for me, which it appears you could easily do chasing all the numbers that KZbin channels try and convince you that you need. I understand a PROFESSIONAL getting these cameras, but I can't justify it. Then you see all these youtubers that have super amazing cameras JUST to do vlogs.... Like what?! You are gonna spend $10k just to film your boring house and a park??? I would rather spend like $1k on Ebay for a c100 and some lenses then spend $9k on props, wardrobes, the set, all the lighting equipment, the sound equipment, and actors. Even then though $9k is nothing... Chatgpt is telling me the c100 is a good camera for what I am looking to do. I understand that pro hollywood teams can use less advanced cameras and make them look good because they have huge teams vs one man band, but still I can't help but think that reasonably you have to find a way to make it work.... Here is my logic what is the point of having a super duper 4k camera if all your props suck? It will just be high def trash. Like no one wants to see something boring and poorly executed even if it is in 4k.... People want unique interesting stories. Tik Tok is super popular even when people use their phones because it's not the quality of the video it's the story, even if tik tok slop is just really quick stories they are still stories that are interesting. More so than seeing a dog shit it in glorious 4k 10bit processing, full frame, 80 megapixels, 90 stops of dynamic range.... That's my current thoughts.

[@rs-369]

Congratulations on winning the Oscar for your camera review videos! I love the reviews you make. Oh yes, I own a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera (BMPCC) original model.

[@olafrotkohl5898]

Thanks for the triptych view starting at 6:20, because for the first time it clearly illustrates for me what you mean by “natural” vs “digital” looks. It’s funny how hard to describe, but it’s plainly there.

[@WorldMoneyWins]

Dammit, Now I want a C100.

[@realmattjc]

Me too 😂

[@BNBuenasNoticias]

@@realmattjc me too

[@chrisw5742]

The thing about the C100 MKII which I dunno if the Black Magic does is super slow shutter for low light. 1/12 , 1/6 and 1/3 shutter speeds. It is insane. I use slow shutter on mine all the time for low light videos.

[@phynx2006]

You had me sold on flippy screen and buttons 😂👍👍 Sounds like a movie "Cameras that time forgot"👀

[@how-tohermit5319]

I remember Tony by a lake we couldn't see. :>)

[@ZsoltBottka]

The Toneh was strong with this one :D

[@koma2000music]

lol 🤣 intervention time!

[@ryanleethomas]

EOS M with magic lantern is essentially the between state of these two cameras.

[@Samiam-mu5ln]

Any camera that needs to be hacked, is nothing to be considered for paid work

[@chromaticvisuelle]

@@Samiam-mu5ln yes but he didn't mention paid work, what it meant is you get Canon with raw files for cheap lol

[@KieranCoughlanWicklow]

BMPCC looked better outside so filmic

[@Troy_Sent_A_Message]

A comparison of 2 of the greatest cinema cameras of all time! Maybe your best work to date! And I'm glad you finally realized the superiority of the C100 mk ii

[@mjklein]

I spent most of my life in the studio. Take it from me: you want a stool. It forces you to keep your back in proper position. Never uncomfortable and doesn't take up any room. I wouldn't have even opened that box.

[@FPVwineUK]

BMPCC is slaying in this... The digital 8-bit look is disgusting.

[@petercofrancesco9812]

It's funny hearing him say outside he would keep the c100 and it looks like trash compared to the BMOG. Although the red is off for both cameras.

[@FPVwineUK]

@@petercofrancesco9812 definitely! 💯

[@Wh33lsofFortune]

1000% agree

[@petercofrancesco9812]

@@FPVwineUK Now I know how it got its name. They must use Black Magic to create that image quality out of such a crappy little sensor. But I don't think I could deal with those gigantic raw files.

[@FPVwineUK]

@@petercofrancesco9812 you’re right! I had the BMPCC for a few years… it’s the one thing that gets you! And to use all the sensor in BRAW you have to use 4k full res! Fantastic cameras though! I’m currently back on Lumix.

[@kiselyo13]

С100 just for the sake of dealing with footage taking tons of space. I'd stick with it for studio videos for sure. Great episode!

[@fauland_photography]

The serious Photographer/Cinematographer in me says "Yes, always chose the right tool for the job (and don't get fooled by numbers alone) " but the real me simply enjoys your take on the world - you never know what you throw at us :-) Please never change that approach and keep going ....

[@mochouinard]

I love the Blackmagic OG look ! I have one... BUT my LCD is broken... So I had to learn to make a sheet that tell me the number of key I need to press to change certain settings (because the menu doesn't show on the HDMI out).

[@bramesque]

Very happy with the C100MKII. Built in filters, very good battery life, good preamps, decent dynamic range, good color science shooting in C-log (cinema locked) It is a good all in one solution and i like the small file size, it might not be 4k, but i can handle the files without needing a heavy processor and loads of SSD's. it makes post more portable and less power hungry.

[@JjackVideo]

The BMPCC is miles ahead here. Wow.

[@HankOrionYT]

Look, I'm using Canon C100 Mark 1 in 2024 to make film that are shown worldwide. No one cares about camera really. I can tell you that. I even shot features on GoPro, DJI Pocket 2 and DJI Action cameras - just for the fun of it. Nice video comparison tho. I miss my OG Blackmagic but after using Canon C100 on few films I'm never going back. I even sold my Red Komodo.

[@stephenbrouillette4541]

Based.

[@chcomes]

The OG looks surprisingly good.

[@philhunt1442]

Yeah, I'm super confused, the canon looks like crap other than being warmer, all glowy like some soap opera with tons of chromatic aberration, while the OG has noticeably higher dynamic range, and much cleaner footage. The OG was noticeably more noisy indoors with more moire on reds and blacks, which could be rectified with a cut filter, but both were extremely noisy to be honest.

[@ivandj707]

C100 more versatile, but DR and color science in favor of BMPCC OG.

[@chrisbrown8748]

Its few channels that even come close to bringing me the joy that this one and Vegetable Police bring me on a daily basis📸❤️🥑❤️

[@philriot]

I love the c100 mk II.. I own 3 of them ☺️..

[@huntervalleyartsartists9313]

same...use them for interviews, coverage of music concerts, opera...reliable and easy to setup for good footage

[@ziibinini]

I just got a C100 mk1 a few months ago. I regret not buying it sooner. I really shouldn't be as good in low light as it is. I also think the C100 was where media/file size and battery efficiency peaked, and now almost all cameras shoot huge files size and low battery life. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Also, the side handle adds a lot of functionality to the body, definitely worth picking up when you get the chance. 👽🛸

[@koma2000music]

Blackmagic OG all the way, looks so natural. That Fairchild sensor is something else!

[@huntervalleyartsartists9313]

I still love my 3 C100mkii's...all bought secondhand over the last 6 years...I've used them for artist interviews, music concerts (jazz, big band, opera, philharmonic orchestra) and community event coverage...for street and short coverage I use my Fuji X-S10 because it's lighter and has IBIS...the C100's are set up in my studio for interview work these days...can't do longform event or concert coverage anymore due to health issues.

[@mightymikemeijer]

Canon. Before you told us which was which, honest!

[@DavidHolliday]

Is your t-shirt red (BM) or orange (canon)?

[@cameraconspiracies]

Red.

[@DavidHolliday]

@@cameraconspiracies Black Magic for the win, then 😂

[@TechnicalTerry]

@@DavidHollidaythe answer I came for

[@GoldenTeeTV]

My goodness! I shot with the C100Mii for years and since have sold all but one because i still love shooting with it. I will tell you right now that your image is way off on the C100 on your outside shoot. Not sure what you did there but i would take another look and make sure you are shooting CLOG at 850 iso. I know it's only 8bit but its the best damn 8bit that's for sure. You can attach a Ninja to it and get your 10bit but honestly it's not that much different. That internal 8bit if shot right is magic. But yeah you did the C100 dirty with that outdoor shot :) haha love the channel man!

[@cameraconspiracies]

It was c-log base ISO, and zebras not clipping anything. Maybe my shorts, since I wasn't in the scene.

[@StripedTailz]

for me, the BMPCC OG looks washed out for some reason whilst the canon has more color, but the white balance always feels off.(i think it has more pop then the BMPCC OG) the canon's colors remind me of the KM DiMage Z3's colors, the way it shifts the reds and oranges and adds green is strange, the BMPCC OG tries going for a blueish look with it's white balance, which doesn't add to it's already washed out look. i think the canon wins here, but i think you should do some more testing.

[@eventhori3on]

Why is this the best channel on youtube? I dont know why but for some reason it is? It soothes me! Kacey soothes my soul! But i can't put my finger on why? The world is mysterious i guess

[@eugeneBai]

BlackMagic still beats everething!

[@cineffect]

It's the Voodoo factor.

[@InfiniteRealms]

Except Digital Bolex

[@JojoJoget]

Nah

[@InfiniteRealms]

@@JojoJoget I f you don't prefer global shutter I suppose.

[@pavelpavlov954]

The OG is true magic.I still keep mine! I have also the Cinema Camera 2.5k and the BMPCC4k but the little one delivers magic image despite the quirks!

[@Webrisernl]

You recommend the OG over the blackmagic 4k?

[@gregorylagrange]

How does the shirt look so different but the backpack is kinda close?

[@CameraCake]

I can see the temptation to sell the BMPCC with it being awkward to use but it looks so buttery and organic. The Canon looked disgusting with too much contrast, but I kind of liked it. I want one.

[@Bill-NM]

Yes, the Canon has too much contrast.

[@chromaticvisuelle]

Then get a blackmagic with raw and add contrast in post, you can't undo it with the c100.

[@ecsix]

@@chromaticvisuelle Just search c100 footage and you'll see a bunch of videos without that awful contrasty video look. Shooting in Clog or wide dr and grading it right makes a big difference.

[@jimmay8627]

The two are pretty close indoors, with the BMPCC rendering those lamps with a bit more yellow than the natural warmth of the Canon. But outdoors, the Canon pulls ahead overall, maintaining saturation/contrast while the BMPCC takes on a bit of ozone blue haze. I wonder whether it has weaker UV filtration. What color is that shirt, exactly? Canon almost has it orange, BMPCC sits just slightly on the blue side of red. The LOCA on the Canon 85mm is strong enough to see green edges on the rocks in BG even when relatively low contrast. The Pocket Cam looks sharper, which is impressive considering it's not supersampled.

[@sambalsamurai9672]

6:07 But the reason you would go with a bullshit camera like either of these is just because of the natural look, it takes us back to a time where things were normal and like all your digital modernmirrorless its so sharp and edgy and unreal, what happend to walking in a forrest and breathing fresh air and being in the nature. This takes us time to a better time, a simpler time. Amen to that!

[@calabazafilm9064]

hello! Could you tell me what rig you use for the bmpcc og? thanks and great channel

[@seafunhub]

i own c100mk2 and love it

[@GLu-qc6vn]

The speedbooster, assuming it contains a lens in it, may have reduced the 3D pop of the Zeiss 85mm lens. ...Bringing the lightrays of different chroma that had been well dispersed by the poppy Zeiss lens, back towards each other to create a flatter rendering. Acting like an ED lens element would. (Reference: Shaul's research at the Dirty Photography Club KZbin Channel that you know well.) But I may be wrong. It would depend on the optical qualities, especially the index of refraction, of the speedbooster lens. To evaluate dimensionality per se, it's probably better to not introduce a second independent variable: to not use of any other lens between the lens and camera being tested. This implies testing the pop independently, because of course you needed the speedbooster to create equivalence between the two lenses for other key test factors. Does this seem reasonable to you? (I'm still in early learning on these lens dynamics, so I'm unsure.)

[@GLu-qc6vn]

Also, I'm so thrilled to see head-to-head tests of these classic cameras. I'm considering buying one because of what I've been learning from you. Ever grateful. - Gary

[@GLu-qc6vn]

Uhhh.. Techy hyper detail to point of boredom for some... ensues: Shaul has also recently explained why he contends that higher sensor pixel pitch increases a camera's ability to render the inherent dimensionality of a poppy lens. The BMPCC OG has an extremely high pixel pitch of 6.5 microns. Shaul deems a pitch over 6 microns to be great. (Only a few non-specialty cameras have exceeded that so far (e.g. Canon 5D Classic, Nikon D700.) The pixel pitch of the C100 calculates as 5.85 microns. Also a very high standard. Possible conclusions: 1. The BMPCC ought to have equal or slightly better poppiness than the C100 from the same lens, based on its slightly higher pixel pitch. But both should have great 3D pop with a high-pop lens, if no other factors were in play. (I'm not qualified to guess what else could be in play.) 2. If the BMPCC is judged to have less dimensionality than other cameras you've tried with the Zeiss lens, seek and if possible test other factor(s) that could cause this... such as the lens in a speedbooster. - Gary

[@GLu-qc6vn]

I apologize that I must correct a misinterpretation I had, that I wrote in the above messages yesterday. Today Shaul of the Dirty Photography Club clarified to me that he uses and suggests a 6+ micron pixel pitch not because it's necessarily ideal for rendering dimensionality, because smaller pixel pitches can do that well too. (I've seen this also.) Rather, "...large pixel pitch only allows using nicer lenses with a smaller penalty in terms of visible flaws." I happily stand corrected.

[@Gleebi]

If you want EXTRA cinema points, if you hold on the DISPLAY button on the flippy screen of the c100, it brightens the screen for outside.

[@WasionKey]

shoulda kept the light off, it looked awesome.

[@filmstudiojapanDOTcom]

lol, was thinking the same. The BMPCC was just showing off in that moment

[@filmstudiojapanDOTcom]

BMPCC is the winner here. More organic pleasing image in both scenes. Be honest with yourself, are you gonna keep the C100 long term? It's a beast with no purpose as everything else you have beats it. The BMPCC kills it, and you made the point for keeping it clearly in the video.. It's fun because it beats everything despite it's outdated simple prototype like design. The C100 is Television B cam, the BMPCC is a poor mans CINEMA camera. Get the Voightlander M4/3rd F/0.95 or older Sirui Anamorphics for it and have fun.

[@C.I...]

The Production Camera 4k also has 8mp, and is a nightmare, but I love it. It has Global shutter, which is mainly why I put up with its annoyances.

[@FrankGlencairn]

For the record: the BM material s 12 bit Log, which expands to 16 bit linear in Resolve., once it is debayered.

[@steveh8658]

Of all the cinema in all the world, you walked into mine...

[@yawningmarmot]

Canon C100 looks pretty yellow, while Blackmagic looks a bit blue. I prefer Blackmagic :)

[@anthonyrock5039]

Canon looks nice and saturated still modern video ish. If you like that look then the c100 will be a good single solution. The pocket footage looks easier on the eyes and “cinema like”. The c100 will be easier for KZbinee stuff.

[@SteveHolmlund]

For the outdoor shot, was your shirt red(BMPCC) or orange (Canon)?

[@reek75]

Would love to see the comparison between penny s9 and zve1

[@cameraconspiracies]

I've already done s5 II vs a7s III.

[@reek75]

@@cameraconspiracies thanks will check it out

[@reek75]

@@cameraconspiracies also thanks for being nice

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

Maybe it's your color grading. But the Canon footage was way warmer than the BMPCC. The latter looked more natural to me.

[@DonVetto-vx9dd]

It looks more saturated. Slightly less saturated would looks good.

[@sidburn2385]

Dang, that chair gives some overlord vibes, suitable.

[@Ryukushin]

Someone was asking what to buy next and they have amazing gear, I immediately said canon c100 mark II. Its just too good and you can find it for dirt cheap compared to all those crazy expensive cameras and it lasts forever and the video files are so easy to offload

[@ledheavy26]

The Sony looked so green when you threw it into the comparison with the Canon and BM. The OG looks like it has a slight blue/purple tilt to it that I haven't seen before when you've used it. Combine them both by using a Magic Lantern hacked Canon DSLR.

[@SteveHolmlund]

Most of the pros on the BMD forum use a “crop factor“ of 2.88 for the OG. I think that’s based on the diagonal measurement but I could be mistaken.

[@cameraconspiracies]

Metabones themselves say it's 3.02x and their 0.58x speedbooster brings it to 1.75x.

[@SteveHolmlund]

Ok, it’s a minor point of course. I found the 2013 post from Brian Caldwell the Speedbooster designer who clarified it’s 3.02 if you compare the diagonals and 2.88 if you compare the horizontals. Enjoy your videos. Cheers.

[@RafalGendarz]

If you are ok with manual focus and no ibis then with all the gear sold you could already got the used og red Komodo and enter the real cinema

[@cameraconspiracies]

I'm not ok with any of that lol.

[@MockManor]

@@cameraconspiracies😂

[@dbuckfanplays7991]

Find you a scrub STM lens and you get better auto focus on the c100

[@laparisall-starsorquestra6953]

I can't ever get my video this good on a sunny day. It's either too bright or too dark. I've tried everything.

[@Stan_the_Belgian]

Picked out the canon immediately typical colors

[@eugeneBai]

Hi, Kasey! New Sigma 50mm 1.2 has zero LD or ED glasses inside, only aspherical! It might have some 3D-Pop 😉

[@pauls3075]

How can 2 high end cameras come up with such completely different colours side by side on the same subject?

[@FeedScrn]

To me, at 13:24, your left shoulder and arm was in focus (in both)... but your face was getting just a bit blurry.

[@juliancroot]

What profile were you using on the C100ii? Canon Log or Wide DR? I made a few tweaks to the Wide DR profile on the Camera (mostly just increase saturation), then I didn't need to do anything in post. Clog1 barely offers any more dynamic range, so its not worth using it IMO.... too much hassle.

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

BMC with phase-detect autofocus and a tiny bit better sensors, in my dream getting an upgrade to global shutter

[@glennn.3464]

It’s almost like you were wearing two different shirts. The colors are so different between these two. Which was more accurate?

[@fauland_photography]

09:05 (on the right side....) Somehow the BMPCC looks like a model Starwars space ship to me :-)

[@HarleyMills-tb1zk]

BMPCC is gold

[@d.edwardsfreelanceeditorvi4212]

As a c100mkii owner the color looks terrible. but I still love it.

[@fedialegrill3738]

What picture profile did you use on the C100 ? Is it C-log ? Both camera show a limited dynamic range : your white shorts are almost clipping.

[@jayacustico9518]

Your shot looks better when the light turns off, just fix the angle of the key light and it looks a lot very interesting. Maybe you can consider do a little interesting shadows insted of just flat boring head shots. 😂 hi 👋!

[@marcodimartino2810]

Actually you can see the differences. We’re talking about two awesome cameras. Blackmagic and Leica wins in sharpness, while i prefer Canon skintones. Maybe the blues in the Canon are a tad bit too saturated. Reds in Canon are too desaturated. So my preference leans towards the Blackmagic, but once again, I love the both of them.

[@AprilClayton]

The Blackmagic has intrigued me.

[@armandsaav]

I can’t wait for him to get the R5ii and be completely blown away by CLog2

[@keilacanteros1]

Exposure is never not not matching.

[@Lance_MadCat]

8:05 ahaaa you got me good there 😊

[@lb7144]

Try Canon EFS lenses for facial lock autofocus: EFS 35mm macro f/2.8 STM IS EFS 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 STM IS EFS 18-130mm f/3.5-5.6 STM IS EFS 50-255mm f/4.5-5.6 STM IS EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 STM IS EFS 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 STM IS

[@DonVetto-vx9dd]

I would just use gaussian blur in Resolve to soften any overly sharp footages. You just have to know how to play it right.

[@joseperalta6235]

I think I could teach Markus Pix a thing or two about lighting.

[@audioupgrades]

The "secret" with the Blackmagic is just that the colour profile is a bit desaturated. You can replicate that on any othe camera. The problem it has is that the sensor is too small so it never has any good background blur. The Canon C100 II is just too soft, it hurts my brain to watch.

[@ChengduLittleA]

See if you could rent a canon XA70 and it also has 4k down-sampled FHD, with a reasonably portable form factor and 25.5mm equiv at the wide end, I see it being pretty practical

[@Localtraveler2376]

I like the black magic better. Thought it was the canon. Then you went outside and I liked the canon 😂. Then by the end I was liking the black magic better outside 🤷‍♂️

[@JoePenaProductions]

The OG looked great in that outdoor setting. (Not cinematic... filmic.)

[@andreyosipov6153]

crazy how color of shirt is so different

[@ArtemKamkov]

It was really easy to distinguish Canon by skinton at the beginning)

[@SMGJohn]

BMPCC looked vastly more organic then the Canon did, the ultimate test might be Canon 5DM2 with magic lantern.

[@SaltySlav]

For photos my A6000 still holds up it came out in 2014

[@gregmonforton4103]

Was the sky grey (BM) or blue (Canon)? Is your orange backpack faded and dirty (BM) or fresh (Canon)? The BM grey sky reminds me of Sony.

[@alanjedwards]

C100 has the pop!

[@darrylbrown5321]

Hi Kasey how you doing.

[@fetzinger10]

....but the tiniest large pixels you´ve ever seen!!.....lol

[@toneohm]

i wish they redid the OG Pocket with a better body and in 2 or 4k.. i got a S16 Cooke zoom lens., would be perfect. it just has great color.. it's a CCD sensor isn't it? they need to bring back CCD regardless

[@thebentzenable]

Loved the bmpcc colours and WB 😍👍👍👍 the best ever. Give me that look with today's luxurious cameras and I will stop being an old fart 🙏

[@PatrickSmeaton]

Contrast with the Canon is considerably better.

[@ttbirds1082]

bmpcc is excellent

[@Panotaker]

The canon 24mm is not very sharp on the C100. I don’t have a C100, but I do have a 5Dmk4, and that is a beast in 1080P, and it auto focuses better than the C100, plus it’s full frame. The kit lens for that camera is the world’s greatest kit lens, the 24-105 Toneh 4. I also have the BM OG with the BM .58 Speedbooster for canon glass. I have a few canon lenses, so I like the canon Speedbooster. I mainly use the Canon 16-35 Toneh 4 which has IS, which is better than no IS. I’m not into 3D pop though. I’m a sharp guy, not a pop guy.

[@PublicHerald]

BMPCC crushes Canon in those outdoor shots

[@GoldenTeeTV]

he did the C100 dirty on that outdoor shot. Because the C100 is a much better shot than what he showed there unfortunately. it looks like a shot from a camcorder on auto circa 2006 lol.

[@houserhythm]

I actually think the ZV-E1 bits look better than either the C100 ot the BMPCC...