Canon C500 Mark II vs RED 8K Helium - Product Shoot Comparison

[@MathieuPrevot]

Very convincing analysis (image metrics, workaround, business.. ) !

[@carlosq00]

thank you

[@SeanColey]

I prefer the look of the C500 II over the Helium. Also, I love those zoom cuts every time you said, "Yes." 😄

[@carlosq00]

haha thanks Sean

[@nathandd8541]

thanks carlos Please test both cameras with a human subject if possible skin tone color depth dynamic range slow motion

[@carlosq00]

yep, have been working on that for a couple of weeks.

[@vivaandhammy]

Love the idea of a community 🤟 Was genuinely trying to find a channel like this, love how you explain things man, love from India 🤞 Hope to learn more and get to work with you someday. Coming from somebody who just bought a Dsmc2 and planning to sell it off for a c500 mark ii

[@carlosq00]

thanks Vivaan

[@TylerEdwards]

Awesome video man. The C500ii looks to be a fantastic camera! The raw is amazing but also the XF-AVC is fantastic!

[@carlosq00]

Thanks Tyler, I went into this blind and really didn't expect the outcome.

[@JimmyHuynhdesign]

Wow so precise with your footage!

[@carlosq00]

Thank you!

[@GriffinConway]

Nice test Carlos! Thanks for sharing!

[@carlosq00]

Thanks Griffin

[@ogston]

Thank you Carlos, loved this thoughtful and very well explained comparison. I’ve watched all of your videos about the new Canon. I took delivery of my C500 Mark II a couple of weeks ago. I’m noticing some banding/bars when shooting low light/high ISO, which I was surprised at. Yes I was expecting noise, but not banding. I was wondering if you’ve also seen this when you’ve pushed your Canon in very low light?

[@carlosq00]

When you say pushed hard, are you trying to recover more than 3 stops? What ISO? and did you ABB when you changed the ISO?

[@ogston]

​@@carlosq00 Thanks for taking the time to reply Carlos! :-) I've been testing out at 5000 and 8000 ISO in a room lit only by a large TV. Hitting the ABB function actually helped a huge amount to clean up the image. However I am still seeing some banding at the very high ISOs (albeit less visible, and less noise, than before). So i'm going to do some more tests to see if there's an element of light streaking across the lens to create the banding... or if it is something else.

[@carlosq00]

Matt Mahmood-Ogston cool will you please keep me posted?

[@ogston]

Yes absolutely! I will be running some better tests shortly

[@definitionxmk]

Great stuff, Carlos! You always have great information.

[@carlosq00]

Thanks

[@carlosq00]

Consider this an open invitation to collaborate where you can help set up a test shoot and comparison so that we can both leverage our experience to share with this community. That should help us all sort out the variables associated with using a free platform like KZbin to show results.

[@TylerEdwards]

Carlos Quintero I’m in! 🙋🏼‍♂️

[@carlosq00]

sweet

[@roc648]

I hope that the Chinese translation will make it easier for Asians to understand, thank you

[@martingerrardxguitar]

Thanks for sharing your insights in detail! After owning the XC10, the C300 MkII and the C200, the C500m2 appears to me as the one Canon camera with the least trade-offs, in other words it seems to be the most "mature" Canon camera on the market. My work ranges from industrial "filmic" work to news and documentaries and this camera feels equally at home rigged up shooting 6K raw with prime lenses or just as a "video camera" in my hands shooting news with a 24-70 or 24-105. Around here, that kind of work is almost exclusively delivered in HD / Rec709, so the different sensor crop modes are helpful for that "extra reach" or "extra wide angle" without having to change lenses in the field. Exposed correctly, even Wide Dynamic Range Gamma still reflects the camera's high dynamic range capabilities. Couple all of that with a reliable autofocus for the stressful news situations without any time to set up and a video-camera-esque form factor and it's pretty clear to see why the C500m2 is the perfect partner for my productions. Four channels of high quality audio and the fact that I don't have to invest in additional batteries thanks to the C300m2 / C200 heritage round up the already stellar picture. The one thing nobody seems to mention is that Canon are pretty honest when it comes to the actual image the camera delivers. Ever since I sold my Sony F5 some years ago I haven't held a Sony in my hands that didn't feature some artifact-inducing - pixel-binning - line skipping misery in regards to sensor readout, especially in HFR modes, but that's a different story... stay safe!

[@Dwayne_M]

Great job very informative and practical !

[@carlosq00]

Thanks MMedia

[@donhendricks3190]

Great video, Carlos! Honest comparison and I agree with your conclusions. You've just saved my Gear Budget for 2020! Next, I'd love to see your comparison of the Canon C500 Mk II vs the SONY PXW-FX9. I've grown to trust your opinion. Cheers.

[@carlosq00]

Thanks Don, that would be a great comparison and hopefully we can pull that off in the near future.

[@mediaapexproduction5245]

This was a great video!! I am now more happy with my new C500m2!! I am learning it and only had it for a week so far but it is amazing!! Thanks for this video!!

[@carlosq00]

Congrats Media Apex Production

[@safecribbo]

Great review thanks! Please do zoom in, it's not because you or I would ever do this on a paid project. However when watching this on a phone + KZbin compression, it helps highlight things like noise, detail and other things that a 480/720p heavily compressed KZbin stream wouldn't deliver.

[@carlosq00]

Had never thought of that

[@edpr2244]

Thanks Carlos. Love my C500 Mark II.

[@carlosq00]

it really is an awesome camera

[@mwilliamsdp]

Thanks Carlos... very informative and helpful... and thanks for doing all the C500 MKII videos you’ve put out. what 5K monitor did you use?

[@carlosq00]

I use an iMac Pro and Dell 8K display

[@AshvonChamier]

Nice points and examples Carlos! Tell us more about the Canon RAW Light experience in post. Does it tax your system more than the RED r3d's?

[@carlosq00]

no it does not.

[@inmy30s]

Canon may be slow to release products but buying their products always nett you back returns faster than you think.. even with "poor" paper specs, the time savings is priceless.. I use Canon XF400 myself.. I don't need to do much in post besides timeline editing.. which saves so much time. Been itching to upgrade to c200/c500 but the huge jump in data storage /volume really puts me off..

[@carlosq00]

It does add to the overall expense. I have a commercial project that is currently taking up 32TB of storage...

[@inmy30s]

@@carlosq00 looks like I need to build my data system bigger than I thought. Thank you for this videos!! 🍕🍕🍕

[@ezra8776]

Is xf400 good?

[@inmy30s]

@@ezra8776 it depends on usage. I think is a fast turnaround camera for video works. No need to slap ND or lens. Just batteries and SD cards.

[@ezra8776]

@@inmy30s do you use xf400 for journalist work

[@Dwayne_M]

do you have a full res download for this vis someplace to see it with out youtube compression ?

[@carlosq00]

Soon - maybe the raw clips too

[@johankezer2240]

Great video once again! Thanx Carlos for all your effort. The only unfortunate thing is that Sony is dominating the market here in the Netherlands. So far I’ve owned a C300 and the mkii version. But I ended up using a rented Sony FS7 or F5/F55 more often than I wanted. Now the FX9 is stealing ground... Hopefully this C500mkii will change the way of thinking at least here in Holland. Thanx again Carlos!

[@carlosq00]

Not needed to match cameras in post often drive the gear choices, because we all have to stay employed...I do think that this camera will change a lot of productions, but Canon does have some work to do to win over several markets.

[@simongentry]

i 'prefer' the right side image... there's a green tint to the left image. and there seems to be too much contrast in the left hand image. ty so much for sharing!

[@markevans9222]

Fantastic, non-biased tests that are clear and to the point! Keep up the good work Carlos, you’re making decisions very easy for many people, thank you! Would love to see a c500 Mkiii vs Sony fx9 done in the same format as you do, especially with the proposed updates to 6k and upgrades to frame rates on the fx9

[@carlosq00]

Hopefully I can get my hands on one to use for a couple of weeks at least

[@gillsanpreetfilms]

AWESOME

[@carlosq00]

Thanks Gill

[@Captbb11]

Really great comparison Carlos!! I totally agree with your conclusions! Canon wins this hands-down! :)

[@carlosq00]

Thanks Bruce, we are in San Diego the last week of the month any chance you’re working in the area? Would enjoy catching up.

[@Captbb11]

@@carlosq00 Oh wow! I wish I was... Let me know if and when you're in the LA area. I live an hour north of LAX (no traffic) Lol!! :)

[@WildHorseProductions]

Both look amazing Carlos, but honestly without your detailed eye telling me what to look forward, I can barely tell the difference on my 2K editing monitoring watching this, much less on my 6 inch Galaxy Note.

[@carlosq00]

That is another huge factor, if people are delivering to the web then that should be considered.

[@nguyenuckien6808]

Can you try doing the same but using aces instead of using a lut.Would love to see if it makes any difference

[@carlosq00]

i can't promise that I will have time - I am on set an average of 4 days a week and work on YT one or two days a week...my wife asked me if she is going to see me at all this month.

[@jonravid3234]

the canon looks like DSLR as always.

[@carlosq00]

that's kind of a funny statement. What makes an image generally is the lens.

[@jonravid3234]

​@@carlosq00 i disagree, lens definitely gives a certain look, but color science is more important to me, and that something that affects a lot. look at this, 48$ glass and looks better than the c500 in my opinion kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3ecanWba7SArdk

[@JohnnieButtersonline]

@@jonravid3234 color science is still a personal taste though and RED doesn't win any awards usually there, ARRI does and although canon is known to have the DSLR look, Canon matches much better with an ARRI than a RED to which says a lot. RED has always had a unique look to me, not a bad thing but also not a natural thing either. It's all personal preference but in this video. Canon wins hands down.

[@jonravid3234]

Johnnie Butters take a look at the red Gemini. This is the closest I’ve seen to a real super 35 film camera. Colors and grain size .

[@sanjeevyadav-sz5sv]

Heyyy. Thanks for the video. Really got to know about these cameras. I have a question. If I want to shoot a commercial in a indoor set up. Which camera you would recommend? Sony Fs7 or Red Epic or Canon C500 or any other ?

[@carlosq00]

if you have a full crew and a nice budget for lighting, the RED would be very nice but all three of these cameras would perform well. If you have a smaller budget or need lots of flexibility quick setups and some conditions may be less than perfect, the C500 Mark II will thrive and from what I've seen from friends who use the FS7 on a regular basis, it looks like that camera would also be a great choice.

[@sanjeevyadav-sz5sv]

@@carlosq00 Thanks a lot buddy. thanks for helping out

[@lenswork4]

Man, I want to work with people like you, including you. Need great drama scripts? I have them. And more. Cheers!

[@carlosq00]

where are you based out of?

[@lenswork4]

Carlos Quintero I’m in Philadelphia but travel to LA and other places very frequently. Would be happy to send you scripts to consider. Thx.

[@khaledsoliman4042]

I own RED but why do i feel disappointed lol. I actually thought the canon was the RED clip at first.

[@carlosq00]

I hear you

[@michaelgeorge.c4567]

I HAVE ALSO KNOWN EXPENSIVE DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN BETTER

[@carlosq00]

it's hard to wrap my head around that fact sometimes.

[@impoze]

Nice comparison, would be great to compare uncompressed.

[@carlosq00]

You mean RAW? The RAW clip comparison does happen in this video.

[@impoze]

@@carlosq00 oh, I meant original clip download to compare outside of youtube compression.

[@perspectrum]

What canon LUT did you use?

[@carlosq00]

3D LUT Canon Log2 to BT709 Wide DR

[@rosscooperthwaite6438]

@@carlosq00 ...Is this the one found under Canon's "65grid-3dlut"? Thanks.

[@roc648]

没有翻译，看不懂

[@carlosq00]

我将尝试使用Google翻译并为该视频添加字幕。

[@roc648]

@@carlosq00 谢谢你，我们期待老师评测。

[@HowardWong]

Raw light haha

[@timhughes4259]

Thank you Carlos, count me in for the community! I’m new to the C200 and loving the results so far with raw to an external SSD. Hopefully projects come along that will justify the C500 Ii :)

[@carlosq00]

Great, thanks Tim

[@jamesdrake8433]

Thanks for doing these tests. Very insightful

[@carlosq00]

Thanks James