Canon C80 - The C400 sensor in the C70 body design!

[@JoelRiveraMD]

This channel should get the same level of recognition as CVP! Always very detailed professional information without being pushy on sales or subscribing ❤

[@art_means_artificial]

cvp has got better logo design

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks! Glad you like the style of the videos.

[@plisskenetic]

Agreed! This and CTV are top notch!

[@pixl8]

Yes absolutely.

[@spritual_enlightenment]

If U are already subscribed to this channel, U are proving this channel worth as much as CVP.

[@juliancroot]

The C70 looks like it holds on to more colour information when its pushed. That's something I really like about the C70s sensor, the colours are really well saturated and clean. Also don't forget with the speedbooster attached to the C70, it exposes 1 stop brighter than the ISO would suggest, so if you have the speedbooster you're probably only loosing out 1 stop of clean ISO performance to the C80. I actually like the soft look of the C70 too... it makes me look less ugly :), so I'm hanging on to my 2 C70s. Still really great cameras.

[@LoverOfTech]

These new 6K triple native ISO full frame sensor are a legit game changer and props to Canon for it.

[@carlyates2487]

Agreed. Triple Base ISO is a really practical step forwards.

[@PeterBaerveldt]

This is indeed a very interesting release. I’ve shot a lot of work with my C70 since 2020 and pre-ordered the C400 as it has the upgrades I really want. RAW, Removable handle for on the gimbal, the triple ISO for run&gun work and the improved auto focus. I want to replace my RED Komodo, not my C70. That is why for me the ability to shoot 6k 60p in RAW is a big reason this is an actual upgrade. It’s why I felt the C400 could replace my RED Komodo and be a better combo with the C70 than the Komodo ever could be. If the C80 could have done FF (6k) RAW 60P (aka use CF Express B) I might have changed my pre-order. However my bullet proof plan to use the c400 and C70 in tandem is now shattered as the C80 is clearly tailored perfectly to be the B-cam to a C400 A-cam setup haha. For now I’m quite excited still for the c400 and I hope it will start shipping soon.

[@carlyates2487]

That sounds like a great plan. The C400 sounds perfect for your situation. And like we showed, the c70 will still look great alongside it

[@notjustanygeorge]

Awesome! This is a huge upgrade from the C70 for me at least. I’m more likely to be getting the C400 to use alongside my C70! Great video, cheers Carl!

[@carlyates2487]

It is! No problem thanks for watching

[@jnsdebraekeleer]

I would love to see a comparison between the C80 and the R5II, and also how they would work as a pair for multi cam in 4K. How do they match being down sampled from 8K and 6K stacked sensors?

[@carlyates2487]

Yes, looking forward to seeing how they work together.

[@gusthecanonrebel]

Wow first time seeing your videos and I’m blown away You nailed all my questions 👏🏼👏🏼 thank you! Instant sub

[@fsb5370]

No glowing buttons like the C400! DAMN!

[@carlyates2487]

I do love those glowing buttons! So useful when working in the dark.

[@fofopho]

This is great! Well played Canon.

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks for watching!

[@ericvaughan11]

Outstanding review, your channel and Gerald Undone rock when it comes to video reviews.

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks very much!

[@BrandonColePhotography]

I might say forget waiting on Sony and the A7SIV OR FX3 II and get this

[@carlyates2487]

I see these more as FX6 competitors than A7s / FX3

[@moussasah2710]

@@carlyates2487 so they just caught up?

[@Samiam-mu5ln]

​@moussasah2710 no wave form monitors, no ND filters, you can only output 4k video files instead of the full 6k readout... literally the only thing saving Sony is there Auto Focus for a kids who don't know how to manual focus or that allow the camera to control them and not the other way around 🤡

[@RobRanney]

I expected the C70 DGO sensor to be cleaner as well, now I'm considering upgrading for the better AF, better ISO performance, and sharper 4k footage. There was more detail in the shadows in the C70 test footage while the C80 shadows looked a bit crushed, but I'll sacrifice some shadow detail for cleaner images. Waiting for more tests on noise performance, but this seems to be the next step for me. Great review, thanks!

[@carlyates2487]

I’ll try and do more tests once we have a production version camera

[@christopher.Natural]

Everyone has been talking about this. It still looks giant and heavy. Nice video thanks!

[@shueibdahir]

Notice how much less contrasty the c70 is? Not the highlights, bot the shadows seem to be more lifted. That's the effect of it having having more dynamic range, which is quite interesting. That's about 0.5-1 stop difference in DR

[@carlyates2487]

We have to wait for production units to know for sure. (as the noise at ISO 800 tests in this video did surprise me!) But the general consensus is that C70 / C300 III have slightly (maybe 0.5 stops) more DR than C80 / C400 Personally though, the advantages that C400 / C80 bring far outweigh that

[@sonofthesea]

I always watch your videos for new releases now. they are up there with CVP and Gerald Undone for balanced information and I always like your example footage too. Thanks.

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks! Glad you like the example footage, thats great to hear.

[@APeffellPicture]

Great video! Full frame in that body, lovely!!

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks Patrick! Its a really impressive camera

[@fishey1]

Can you assign the base iso to button ???

[@BobbyD262]

Big question: does the C80's triple-base ISO mean better noise performance than the extra stop of light with the C70's speedbooster? Or is it a wash?

[@mbismbismb]

Those colours gosssh ❤

[@kadragepictures]

how is the image quality of the Canon R1 vs C80? Both are very similiar, while the R1 can do 6K Raw 60fps internally. I would love to see a comparison!

[@cinematographybyej]

Great video y’all!

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks for watching!

[@artisticcompose]

Awesome review!! Once I have a chance I’m all in with the C80!

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks for watching!

[@ValleyProductions_LLC]

can you use EF lenses on the C80?

[@TheClassicMotorcycleChannel]

Good video :)

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks for watching!

[@boatmanbermuda7255]

canon r5c is a winner :)

[@paulengle5784]

I’m not gonna lie. It’s hard to know what the right SD card type is for what you’re trying to shoot. Will each of the recording options require a v90 card? Could one record to an external recorder via hdmi and have a backup recording to SD card?

[@carson294]

Does the c-80 have the same processor as the c-400?

[@baekmedier]

Thank you so much for this video. 🤩

[@carlyates2487]

Thanks for watching!

[@chrisw443]

great video!

[@photomagique15]

Time for my upgrade…the low light performance is what I’m most excited for

[@carlyates2487]

Absolutely, this new triple base iso technology is fantastic

[@explorers.almanac]

Do the batteries tell a story similar to the R5 battery? BP A30 vs BP A30N... so is there a BP A30NH in the works with a C90 or C100? Hmmm... Does this camera do external 4k 60 RAW? The C70 got updated to do RAW after it's release...

[@carlyates2487]

Who knows! Right now though they have just announced the BP-A N models which are only needed on the C400 to enable the lens out power port on the front and the MI shoe. Everything else on the C400 works with regular BP-A batteries, and everything on the C80 works. The HDMI port will do 6K raw up to 60p to an Atomos.

[@GuyRicheyGibbons]

I’m wondering why you can’t shoot 6k in any other mode than RAW LT - kind of weird no?

[@hawklightstudios]

How does the autofocus compare to the Canon mirrorless cameras, such as the R6MK2? I love my C70s but the autofocus isn’t always reliable in certain situations

[@carlyates2487]

This has their Dual Pixel AF II technology which improves on the AF in the C70.

[@억투더장]

Is EF-EOS R 0.71x adapter available for this camera?

[@phoenixvette]

Honestly Raw 4k 60p with the crop makes that 24-105 2.8 IS L into a 36-157 and that's really all you need for most things.

[@carlyates2487]

True!

[@transylvanianrider]

Great news ! How about image stabilisation? Btw this will be, for me, the perfect moment to buy a fairly priced C 70 :)

[@carlyates2487]

Same IS as the C70, so no IBIS, but has the digital IS tech and lens IS in RF lenses.

[@danvuxuanhoa]

please, helpme compare sony nx800/z200 ft canon xf605 , tk U so much !

[@p.l.5188]

Thanks for the video ! And indeed great uprade to the C70. But its pretty anoying that the only way to shot 6K FF is in raw... i would have loved to be able to shot 6k FF in intra or long gop.. do you know why they are putting this limitation ? Will that possibly be changed with firmware upgrade ? Thanks !

[@carlyates2487]

Thats the same on the C400, I agree, a HEVC option in 6K would be really nice to have. Hopefully could be added in firmware.

[@IlyaPodnebesmiy]

Hi. Tell me, is it now possible to assign the function of changing the camera shutter angle to the rotating wheel? It pisses me off that I can't assign a c70 camera wheel to this!! Please let them fix it in c80.

[@derrickmanieca7130]

With the new firmware you can

[@onnonugteren2935]

I am so sorry you mist this opportunity to NOT involve the C70. Really this is a big missing point, It is nearly as you want to sell the C80. Think about it in the future comparisons. Thank you for this film too. Greetings from the Netherlands.

[@arieljgd]

is there any loss of quality from XF AVC Long Gop 4k 30 to 4k 120? wondering if they keep the downsample across the frame rates.

[@carlyates2487]

It downsamples up to 4K 60. So 4K 120 isn't, but it still looks great to be honest. I used it a lot for the example footage in this video.

[@CaseyPreston]

I skipped straight to the C80 vs C400 section since this seems like a huge undercutting of the C400. It really does look like it’s just a form factor choice in terms of actual loss of functionality. This SD card slot causes a greater cost for memory and lower frame rate choices. But this seems like the C300 III vs C70 choice without the true crippling of a loss of SDI in the C70.

[@carlyates2487]

This is definitely a very aggressive move from Canon, the C400 was already well priced. The big difference is frame rates & modular vs all-in-one design. 6K raw is 30p not 60p, 4K all I is 60p not 120p. But if you use LongGOP or HEVC then they are the same there. The modular design will be easier to rig on a shoulder and fit into different production environments

[@hzubovi1]

Would like it to do Open gate 4K 120 recording

[@qfelbelzebuba8571]

xf605 or sony z200? can you help me choose?

[@carlyates2487]

Both great cameras. Z200 has a longer zoom range on it, and will match well with other Sony cameras which are popular in broadcast work. Also love the VF that tucks down for travel. Its a bit noisy in log though, so would recommend using S-Cinetone and not S-Log. XF605 has a fantastic image, possibly better than the Sony, although thats subjective. Nicer screen.

[@qfelbelzebuba8571]

@@carlyates2487 thanks for your help

[@pasegers]

if you want 2T storage for a complete day of shooting , the final price is so close to the C400 that i don't hesitate 😊

[@carlyates2487]

You would go for the C400? I think a lot of people still would.

[@pasegers]

@@carlyates2487 2T of sd v90 is about 2400 euro compare to 600 with cf express b , so almost the c400 price at the end, and between the 2, i don't hesitate

[@CaseyPreston]

Hah, yeah that is a big consideration and I'm not sure why SD is still being maintained. V90 is way too expensive. Maybe it is because CFexpress runs so hot that it creates its own limitation.

[@carlyates2487]

@@pasegers It is a very good point!

[@pasegers]

@@carlyates2487 i just saw that you are from ProAV , i really like your video's and come often in your stream. sad that i am from Belgium , because you are the distributor i trust the most 😊

[@jonathanhall5670]

As someone who’s had the C70 since release, do you see any real reason to stay with the C70 and not change to the C80 now?

[@carlyates2487]

Tough one! I think C80 is better in every single way from what I can see. Perhaps will be slightly more DR in the C70. Lower battery consumption.

[@jonathanhall5670]

Awesome!! Thanks

[@mahutaproductions8498]

The million buck question: is there also a C600 or so to sit above the C400? I'm like 95% decided that C400 is the right camera for me even if they bring a better spec'd, more expensive one, but would still be nice to know what it is before pulling the trigger ;)

[@carlyates2487]

Who knows! I’m not expecting one though. It would be interesting to see what they would add to the C400 though to make it higher end.

[@moontecker]

Gonna get C80

[@art_means_artificial]

very interesting to us! please keep us updating

[@luciebloem9150]

Thanks for the video: But is it really necessary to spend more than €6,000 at the moment to make a nice video? Between €2,500 and €3,000 you can find 4/3 or APS-C capable of doing as well The most important thing is the one behind the viewfinder who has set his camera well and calibrated his video well The full frame sensor is very good but I see a lot of blur.

[@markjob6354]

*The 6K is very, very, very unacceptably and frankly, unnecessarily limited ! None of the Intra-frame or Long GOP codecs offered for 4K resolutions are shootable in 6K resolution. Why ? What ? Do you think we won't notice or find out, or are you just hoping ? What about my client's post workflow demands ? Do you think they're asking us for RAW Codec deliverables ?! I don't always want to shoot in RAW !!!! I want ProRes 4:2:2 HQ in 6K resolution or h.265 HEVC !! Raw Files are huge in comparison to compressed HEVC (h.265) codec ! Perhaps Atomos can come to the rescue here and permit the Ninja V and all of its variants to accept the 6K resolution up the HDMI cable, so we can shoot in ProRes 422, or Avid DNxHR, or h.265 from a full frame 6K resolution feed out from the C80?*

[@carlyates2487]

The HDMi will send out a 6K raw signal up to 60p. So with an Atomos you will be able to record that as whatever you want, ProRes, ProRes RAW, H.265 etc.

[@markjob6354]

@@carlyates2487 That's very GOOD news indeed !

[@merlinoner]

IBIS is missing in my opinion.

[@carlyates2487]

That would be good to see, but none of its competition has IBIS either.

[@ETRayBeam]

IBIS, although turned off will still shake a bit. Many people actually prefer hard mounted sensor and use physical stabilization like steadycam, gimbal etc.

[@carlyates2487]

​@@ETRayBeam I have actually found that I need to turn off stabilisation with the very slow pans & tilts which we do for these videos, as they are so slow and subtle that the IS tries to correct them. So having a camera without IBIS is better in that situation

[@dsdddsd4543we]

This is one of Canon's most competitive releases in a while. My biggest question is whether people will switch over from Sony?

[@carlyates2487]

It'll be hard to get people to change from Sony. It really depends on how invested they are in E mount lenses.

[@arthmelkouame5657]

@@carlyates2487 I think if they can keep the hardcore Canon fanboys in their ecosystem, it will be a win. Sony has been aggressive these last years and they disrupted the market so much to the point where it will require Canon to drop a camera like an A7SIII or a Komodo to make people revert back to them.

[@shridexdigi1982]

I wonder what Panasonic is waiting for releasing a cinema full frame camera with the L mount

[@carlyates2487]

I’d love to see another cinema camera from Panasonic.

[@shridexdigi1982]

@@carlyates2487 I don't think they are really serious. I don't get what they are waiting for. They wasted so much time getting into the Phase Detect Autofocus game, they wasted time again not updating the Eva 1 or the Panasonic S1H. They released a GH7 with every feature one can wish for on an L mount and Full frame sensor S system. Now Canon has announced two cinema cameras that are both great and relatively affordable.

[@shridexdigi1982]

@@carlyates2487 please I will really love to see a comparison between the Panasonic S5IIX and the Canon r5c in their full frame Log modes in ALL I codec. Also love from Nigeria

[@Nordbiene]

Honey Bees 😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@carlyates2487]

I actually got stung while filming this! Luckily wasn't a bad one

[@Nordbiene]

@@carlyates2487 😳😳😳🙂

[@lachiem]

Weird how the C80 has AF at 100/120p and the C400 doesn't, kinda makes me re-consider my pre-order.

[@carlyates2487]

Yes that all needs clarifying, it’s a bit odd!

[@ZMCarsandMore]

Coming in an update for the c400 next month, I heard.

[@shueibdahir]

Might be that the digic dv7 got a minor upgrade with the c80

[@lachiem]

@@ZMCarsandMore yep they dropped that info pretty quickly after the C80 was announced, how good!

[@iyason6878]

I hoped it was 800, 6400, and 25600

[@samrai7275]

such big camera cant shoot 4k 120fps in fullframe, FX6 still much better camera if you ignore 6k[only30fps]

[@carlyates2487]

It can do 4K 120p in full frame. I used it a lot in the example footage in this video.

[@garylawsonmedia305]

2 SD card slots why ???

[@carlyates2487]

Likely because the C70 design already used SD cards, they are small and fit inside the space in the handle. Using CFexpress would likely have been a bigger body redesign that it would first seem.

[@shem44]

Canon seems to be on the right track. But it's too late for me as I've moved from c100 to fx6 being disappointed in canon for many years.

[@carlyates2487]

Lots of people have, we have sold so many FX6's over the last few years. Its an extremely popular camera.

[@shem44]

@@carlyates2487 it takes a lot to move to another ecosystem and unless necessary, we do not want to move. Now after buying a lot of sony lens I don't see me moving back to canon in next future unless sony screw up among the way.

[@typorosz]

This review hasn't included the autofocus performance tohough!!!!

[@Asturev]

why are all "videographer" youtube channels doing an iphone vs high end camera? have they became obsolete for the general audience? should I invest the money I saved for over a year in a camera nice rig for documentaries? or should I change my old android phone to an iphone?

[@carlyates2487]

iPhones are very useful, but in no way do they replace a professional camera.

[@mieczyslawherba2723]

Color palette is much better in Canon compare to Sony, or any Blackmagic. Sony is yellowish, blackmagic greenish, it's boring to see it everyday.

[@carlyates2487]

Its subjective, but Canon's colours have long been their strength.

[@ETRayBeam]

I'm still bummed out with the plastic body.

[@carlyates2487]

Perhaps the C400 would be better for you?

[@seasideshutterworx]

I can only hope the c70 price goes down

[@carlyates2487]

It might well do, the second hand price of C70's will certainly go down. The C70 is still a fantastic camera

[@Sethmotley]

SD card🫤

[@vahidamini1863]

✌...

[@SuperPhunThyme100]

How does this differ from the C400? The hell?

[@carlyates2487]

6K Raw is 30p rather than 60p 4K All-I is 60p rather than 120p 1 SDI port rather than 2 No Genlock All-in-One design rather than Modular design which is easier to shoulder mount

[@RayValdezPhotography]

Canceled my c400 pre-ordered and switched to c80.

[@carlyates2487]

What made you change it?

[@RayValdezPhotography]

@@carlyates2487 The size and price. I use the c70 daily. This is just a much better and convenient version of a useful tool with all the huge upgrades in ergonomics, af, sharpness, and low light quality.

[@shem44]

@@carlyates2487if it's me I will cancel too. SDI, FF and easier to use on gimbal. How I wish sony can release a cam like c80 with fixed side grip.

[@g1981c]

Canon has finally realized they are losing to Sony and decided to put the Cripple Hammer aside and start making competitive products ... but is it too little too late ? Can Sony's momentum be stopped ?

[@kostaskonstantinidis7318]

Canon's cine line is doing well, it's well used in many type of low-mid cost productions.

[@seantan552]

Using SMALL and LIGHTWEIGHT to describe camera is just plain not accurate lmao. The c80 double the volume of pretty much any other mirrorless camera.

[@andersistbesser]

hhahahaha you called this big brick small and light..

[@zeauxmedia]

Compare it to a C400! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@art_means_artificial]

no 6k 120p no deal. sony fx3 m2 will have

[@andersistbesser]

i bet it will not

[@art_means_artificial]

canon sucks in lenses. so SONY is a choice

[@carlyates2487]

Not having third party full frame RF lenses is really holding canon back. At least we are seeing some APS-C third party options now so thats a step in the right direction. Remember that Canon's RF to EF adapter still exists and works very well with cameras like this.

[@jamesburne3893]

The only consolation you got from your comment was the fact that you liked it yourself.

[@charlesteton]

😭😭😭

[@ETRayBeam]

Disagree. It's Canon's business decision that sucks. Canon and Nikon vintage lenses are highly sought after until now, not Sony though. Modern lenses, they're all about the same.