Canon Eos R6 Overheats like the R5, What to Do?

[@thefilmpoets]

UPDATE The real world numbers are exactly as Canon stated. Hopefully this helped some of you with your preorders. Order the EOS R5 ➤ geni.us/EosR5 Order the R6 ➤ geni.us/EosR6

[@Davitor1]

It would be bad news if there were other 8K cameras competing. But as of now your bad news is NOT relevant to any other competitor. Here's a link that directly address your concerns about overheating. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYKrd2Wor953pdk

[@thefilmpoets]

​@@Davitor1 according to Canon the R5 overheats in 4k and R6 overheats in 4k.

[@Davitor1]

The Film Poets so then what other choice of hybrid cameras do you have to shoot 8K videos over 30 minutes?

[@thefilmpoets]

@@Davitor1 nobody asked for 8k

[@Davitor1]

The Film Poets that’s like saying nobody wants a better camera. LOL so when 1080P came out why did people want 4K?

[@whoismatt]

These were supposed to be the chosen Canon cameras! 😭

[@Weird_Quests]

Gotta love the Kenobi ref :)

[@whoismatt]

@@Weird_Quests If they released a third one it could be considered the bad trilogy (either prequels or episodes 7-9 depending on your preference)

[@cameraconspiracies]

The hammer lives on.

[@tvurk]

*hammer hits you in the face*

[@Davitor1]

Regardless you’ll run out a memory prior to over heating. Recording at 8K a 512 GB CFExpress card will only give u about 23 minutes. So the hammer is not having bigger memory cards.

[@simonyoung1339]

David Ramos how is your reading comprehension? As many already have pointed out to you, the cameras overheat in regular 4K as well, which is frankly unacceptable at this price point.

[@TJIzzy]

I shot with every Sony mirrorless that's had 4K and they all still overheat outside. Even with the temp setting changed and LCD popped out & swapping for new cooler batteries. Canon just told you about the overheat times in the crazy modes, Sony doesn't disclose it, but it is still there.

[@YourTechGuide.]

@@tvurk *you mean it beams on his face*

[@BoomingVisuals]

And this is at room temperature right? So a summer wedding in Texas when it's 95 degrees outside it will probably overheat in 10-15. Then have to sit and cool down for 10 minutes to only overheat again in 5 minutes. That's crazy.

[@iwaswithyourmom9410]

more like 3 minutes in 95F

[@Davitor1]

No one has had the R5 or 6. So basically everything here is speculation which is basically BS.

[@visionrouge]

@@Davitor1 Speculation are based on official Canon statement and previous experience from Sony overheating camera. Real user report a shut down after an hour with recording 20 clips of one minute duration in 4K 25p. BS are video talking that it's not a big deal.....

[@Davitor1]

VisionRouge Shanghai so 8K RAW - non-cropped, internal recording up to 29.97fps Non-cropped, internal recording 8K video capture - up to 29.97fps in 4:2:2 10-bit in Canon Log (H.265) or 4:2:2 10-bit HDR PQ (H.265) Non-cropped internal recording 4K video capture - up to 119.88fps in 4:2:2 10-bit in Canon Log (H.265) or 4:2:2 10-bit HDR PQ (H.265) 4:2:2 10-bit in Canon Log or 4:2:2 10-bit HDR PQ output via HDMI at 4K 59.94fps Dual Pixel AF is available in all video modes at all resolutions and frame rates 5 axis optical IBIS/ enabling Lens IS and camera IBIS to be combined Dual card slots - 1x CFexpress and 1x SD UHS-II. That’s a big deal.

[@visionrouge]

@@Davitor1 Amazing list of features for sure. But if 20 x 1mn duration clip in 4K 25p mode is bricking my video recording for 20mn; how I'm shooting interview? Wedding? Event? That's not a big deal; that's a useless big deal.

[@lesiggi9060]

I'm a wedding filmmaker myself and i was looking forward to come back to Canon but having this thing shut off on me during a hot summer day is a deal breaker.

[@ktcool4660]

It shut off at room temperature.

[@GriffinConway]

Hey Matt, I pre ordered the r5 and plan to test it against the 1dx iii (and of course the c200/c500 Mark ii). I’ll keep you posted on how it does in the real world 🔥 hopefully it’s not too bad, but I don’t think it will be replacing the 1dx Mark iii for serious work anytime soon. Thanks for sharing this info!

[@spector175]

Could you also test r6 outside compare the image quality, dynamic range, rolling shutter, highlight, shadow recovery. I'm considering r6 as my B cam I shoot with bmpcc6k as A cam. For stills I used 1dxII for stills and bcam but I sold that as it couldn't keep up with bmpcc6k I was considering 1dxiii but r6 will be enough for me if it doesn't overheat and in Canon Europe livestream they mentioned based on user feedback they will add all-i in r6 future firmware update so r6 will be perfect for my needs.

[@SamLucas26]

If you wanna do a test with it against the c300 mark iii, let me know! Plane tickets are cheap lol. But then again I need them to actually ship my c300 Mark iii in order to do that 😂

[@coffeeenthusiast8774]

Would love it if you could test the stills at 10k ISO for each

[@longrider9551]

I am a Sony user and I think Canon hit a home run, the right tool for the job always applies and these cameras give you a little bit of everything. If you look at it as the 5d replacement how can you not say its a giant improvement, keep your expectations reasonable and enjoy what Canon has given you and oh stay off youtube and away from the talking heads because most of them are not working pros, they just play one on TV

[@timelord2222]

It's simple: without the active cooling, high-performing electronics will overheat, period. It's physics, you can't escape it. But considering the amount of power R5 generates and the amount of data running through it (remember that Sony uses much lower bitrates for its 4K), I would say even with these limitations Canon made quite a nice job. There's a reason why Cinema EOS cameras, which are dedicated for heavy-duty video recording, have big cooling fans and vents. Since I'm more of a stills shooter, the inclusion of IBIS is WAY bigger news for me than 8K.

[@BlisterHiker]

I agree and I don't understand why people expect DSLRs or mirrorless cameras to perform like dedicated video recording machines... Technology progresses and small cameras can do things now that we could only dream about 10 years ago, but there are very good reasons why serious filmmakers use cinema cameras. Heat dissipation is one of those reasons.

[@AleksHugs]

BlisterHiker people have come to expect this because companies market their cameras this way. Canon was the one touting off about 8K video capabilities for months. Now consumers find out its barely useable and nearly unviable professionally. We have the right to be critical

[@timelord2222]

@@AleksHugs And who gives a crap what the company said? Anyone with a grain of salt could tell a camera this small would overheat at such bitrates and resolutions, but hey, modern videographers don't need to know a single thing about electronics, right?

[@BlisterHiker]

@@timelord2222 Exactly! Even though microprocessors and chips get smaller and more energy efficient, everyone expects more and more of them. It's almost unbelievable to me that despite all common sense and practical experience of millions of users, some people complain their DSLRs or mirrorless cameras overheat when they do weddings...

[@timelord2222]

@@BlisterHiker 8K, even as a source for 4K oversampling, is 16 times the Full HD resolution, people forget this little fact. The amount of data and in-camera processing is tremendous. It's over 30 megapixels 30 times per second.

[@Xplozhun85]

It overheats on 8K Raw after 20 minutes. OVERSAMPLED 4K at 60 at 40 minutes. IDK what people are bitching about. This is still phenomenal. Who in there right mind would want to record an HOUR of 8K or 4K @120 footage? The most important thing this camera can do: shoot 4k NON-CROPPED, AT 10-BIT, IN 4:2:2, IN C-CLOG, WITH IBIS, WITH DUAL PIXEL AUTOFOCUS. That's literally what people wanted so Canon gave them that. AND SOME OTHER AMAZING FEATURES. *btw not angry at you just other people online lol

[@MyekalBenham]

I don't think people have even checked the File sizes and bit rates. 8k Raw is huge. Lol crazy

[@gowithgoldstraw]

I think the issue is not the time limits themselves, but the fact that this problem is probably cumulative. If shooting for 40 mins overheats, what about if you shoot say 20mins, then 10mins, then another 15. Does it still overheat and shut off then? Honest answer at the moment is, we don't know. But if it does, and it's not that predictable, that could be a high stakes game for a pro to indulge in. It's no use explaining to the bride's mother that your camera is the shining market leader and cost you five grand if you missed the exchange of rings because your equipment suddenly and unexpectedly shut down.

[@SamLucas26]

I’m abundantly happy with my decision to purchase the c300 Mark iii. There was a part of me like, “just go with the 1dxiii or wait for the r5 to come out.” But I took the route of upgrading my c200 to the c300iii and although the r5 looks killer, I just couldn’t see it being my main shooter for weddings. I’ve just come to really count on the reliability and usability of the full size cinema camera features and don’t think I can go back haha

[@gichaugithinji5420]

True

[@AdilAlsuhaim]

It's also likely that Canon's estimate is "conservative". For example, they always rate the battery life at so-and-so many shots, but in practice, the battery can achieve more shots than the estimate.

[@hahaxd2011]

true, on the EOS R I mostly can achieve 3 or 4 times the shots with one battery than stated in the specs. And before the potential overheating will accrue you will most likely run out of storage anyway.

[@thefilmpoets]

Thats totally possible. I hope so.

[@smashexentertainment676]

CIPA ratings are total garbage. It all depends on how you are shooting. If I do timelapses or bursting on 80D I make up to 10 000 shots on 1 battery. When I go out to shoot single images here and there, I make little over 100 shots at best. But still I failed to drain LP-E6N in less than a day.

[@CNMTCFilms]

For all the people complaining that Canon is still worse than Sony: I'm not a Canon fanboy, I love using them but my camera is a Sony! The major complain over the last few years was that Canon's smaller cameras aren't fully packed with features (no 120 fps in the eos R) but Sony is. Now, look: Sony cameras had better specs but tend to overheat the smaller they are as the small body couldn't handle all the processing. Now Canon releases the r5, a small camera full of insane specs, which everyone wanted. These aren't just Sony's specs but they technically are way better! Therefore they overheat, maybe even faster than Sonys. Why should one complain?🤷🏼‍♂️ That was meant for the group of people complaining about Canon being worse than Sony, not the others, so yes, I liked the video and I agree with everything said in it.👍🏾

[@cbflazaro]

A6300 overheated, there is no overheating on A7III at summer temperatures in anything recorded for 1-2 hours continously. The canon seems to be a 15-20 min recording to overheating in cool 23C room, thats worrying at best.

[@smashexentertainment676]

@@cbflazaro yeah, but Sony records 4K 30p with piss poor bit rate, while Canon makes it 8K RAW or oversampled 4K 120 fps. Who in his right mind records half an hour in 120 fps nonstop? Or if you're dying to have this wedding in 8K, get 2-3 bodies and 1,5kg of memory cards. Or a proper cinema camera. Problem solved. Tho these are speculative specs based on Canon tests of preproduction model. Probably as reliable as CIPA.

[@greggreenhaw]

could a 5 dollar internal fan have solved the issue though

[@ritammelgunov8501]

So many reviews just blowing so much about the overheating issues jumped up yesterday - today. The thing is they are all spread by videographers. Guys, u live so much in your own world that it seems you don't see your own major misunderstanding ) U just did not get properly the target audience of these cameras - try to look from the point of view of the wider community of photographers and of Canon also ) R5 and R6 are FANTASTIC cameras FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS shooting also short videos. Just amazing AF, amazing sensors, fantastic IS, unbelievable speed of 12/20 fps!!! Plus amazingly convenient compact bodies and ergonomics! Plus the best in industry most convenient fully articulated touchscreens! Plus top-quality EVFs! Don't u really see these are just CAMERAS OF DREAM for the majority of photographers?! One should be so blind or so biased not to see or not to admit these so evident facts and so superb achievements. Anyway, for anyone who is not so blind or biased, it's clear these cameras are bound to be tremendously popular among various photographers all over the world. And from Canon's perspective - they just produced two fantastic cameras FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS with great video capacities too and a truly amazing package for affordable price. Next Canon just will produce a camera (cameras) more oriented for video. That's just it. But more to say, even for so many videographers R5 offers so great options of 8k RAW and 4k 120 footage recorded right in camera besides with SO AMAZING DPAF! In fact, just a pocket camera giving super high-end quality footage and with tremendously diverse lens options for it! Actually it opens great new possibilities even for high-end cinema industry! And you underestimate these cameras so much! If u are a wedding shooter who wants just shoot without much thinking the whole marriage without a break for 10 hours of oversampled 4k, then probably these cameras are just not for you. Buy something else, shooting 4k incessantly. Although, first of all, one has first to test the new cameras in real life - overheating may be not so big issue in real shooting; and, second, one can also use such cameras thoughtfully to get them do the needful work with all their superb quality, if one just finds ways to use them in an effective way. Many serious videographers already speak about possibilities to use these cameras effectively in their workflow in spite of overheating. That's thoughtful and sober practical approach, and not just condemning so mindlessly such fantastic cameras. Anyway, there are so many sober photographers and videographers all over the world for whom these cameras will surely be CAMERAS OF DREAM!

[@Demullete]

Sony still overheating, and people still buying ...

[@ktcool4660]

Not like this.

[@cbflazaro]

never seen the overheating logo on my old a7iii oversampling 6k. And i recorded continuously (with 30min restarts) for well over 2 hours in some shoots during hot summer. A6300 overheated well easily (30-45min), A6500 was better (45-75min), A7III/A7RIII i never seen the overheating icon ever. This canon... overheating in 20-30min FROM COLD at 23C room temperature in shade? With the fact that if you browse menus or have camera on standby BEFORE recording that those 20-30min will be even less? That's a little too much.

[@gwm-btdbattlesagar.ioandmo9988]

im sorry to be that guy but my a6300 never overheats when shooting 4k. slapping a cage gets rid of that problem

[@caldera878]

Remember when Canon users pointed and scolded at Sony for thermal issues but look at them now.

[@Davitor1]

Caldera and when Sony comes out with 8K let me guess your going to be this negative.

[@benjaminkotek8569]

Am curious what you will make out of it. Your videos are really helpful!

[@jimmystewartuk]

I agree and think the IPB mode is definitely being overlooked. Let’s not neglect Canon’s IPB mode still offers more data rate than a lot of the competition recoding at its highest quality. The R6 only offers IPB mode recording though am I correct?

[@kikezurek34]

If you just a photographer and don’t use camera for video which one would you recommend if getting. Canon r5 has 45 megapixels and r6 20 megapixels would they be a difference on the picture image

[@Tajhad]

Shouldn’t we just wait for someone to actual “use” the camera and give us their take on the overheating ?

[@Robocobo]

Yeah all of these clickbait videos about speculations on overheating are absurd.

[@kaseygay6265]

@@Robocobo Ever notice how companies promise "32 miles to the gallon on a car" and then when real people drive it, it's more like 26? Best case scenarios. We expect a company to put its best face forward. We expect them to create maximum hype, and then slowly start admitting problems and letting us down slowly while still trying to keep the excitement as high as possible. The fact that cannon is admitting upfront "this thing overheats at 20 minutes at room temperature" means that there's no way they can plausibly deny that it's got serious flaws. If they're admitting that in the first press releases , it means that if you're outside in the heat, this thing may turn out to be almost completely unviable for event shooters.

[@thefilmpoets]

If you don’t believe Canon when they say it overheats, why do you believe them they say it’ll shoot 8k? These are Canons words.

[@smashexentertainment676]

@@thefilmpoets Canon states it as a limitation, not a flaw.

[@thefilmpoets]

@@smashexentertainment676 Thats fine, the point is to know these before you pre-order so you can plan accordingly.

[@BrentRivers]

A cinema cam is necessary for all you're describing. Problem solved. So many choices and a mirrorless can be used for some of that. I'm a Sony shooter and I'm already thinking I won't pursue the siii because it will likely not serve as a long form body.

[@bjoernfischer]

Let's not crush canon just yet, nobody has long term real world experiences with both cameras. butas a sony shooter, I'm loong forward to their new s model anyway :)

[@Theipohshootfilm]

I just needed that ibis in 1dx

[@thefilmpoets]

Mijaarep and a flip screen. I can deal with the larger body!

[@BlisterHiker]

I don't understand why so many people are surprised by overheating in DSLRs or mirrorless cameras... If you are serious about filmmaking or event recording, get a real tool for that: a dedicated video recording device with necessary heat dissipation capability, even more because such cameras are not so expensive nowadays.

[@Ramage7070]

The Camera is not overheating. I know I am splitting hairs here but the Camera is reaching its safe heat threshold and protecting itself by shutting down. The user is warned about the heat condition on screen and no video is lost. Canon is being upfront and fully transparent about these limitations. If the system does not work for your needs due to these limitations look elsewhere.

[@thefilmpoets]

It turns off due to temperature. That’s overheating.

[@Ramage7070]

@@thefilmpoets It gives the user an onscreen warning and how much time they have left before it turns off. That is not overheating, that is triggering a fail safe. If the cooling light comes on on my car I do not keep driving till it dies I pull over and let it cool off.

[@Davitor1]

@@thefilmpoets it's a recording limit that prevents over heating. If you want longer recording times then just buy a video camera like the C300 and be happy.

[@TriWaZe]

@@Ramage7070 That's still overheating. Normal cameras do not reach that fail safe unless you are recording in direct sunlight for hours on end. Don't try to justify Canon's poor decision making.

[@thefilmpoets]

@@Ramage7070 When the interviewer says "lets talk about the R6 overheating" Canon proceeds to give out time limits before it shuts down. That means Canon agrees thats the definition. End of story.

[@daniwarner]

What camera(s) would you recommend? I'm looking for AMAZING 4k @30/60/120 and no overheating....

[@jasonbelkov3258]

It doesn't sound like 4K at 24fps is an issue. The overheating is a non-issue from me. I'm going to record all ceremony and toasts at 4k / 24fps and use 4K/120 or 60 for a few specialty gimbal or handheld moves at a few seconds per shot. I don't see my camera overheating with all the info presented so far. Excited to get my R5 with no worries.

[@thefilmpoets]

Thats the plan for me as well! I've seen 4k 120fps raw footage, and it's beautiful. Sharp but not too sharp. Feels like Alexa footage in a way. All that to say, the pixel binned 4k modes will look very nice.

[@jasonbelkov3258]

@@thefilmpoets Can't wait to test the limits of this camera. Exciting times! Looking forward to seeing some Film Poets Canon R5 weddings. IBIS is a game changer for me. Enjoy!

[@charbax]

R6 doesn't record video to both SD cards, only proxy photos to the second SD card. This means you have a bad SD card, you lose your footage.

[@RealJoshuaSe]

Sad to hear this, as my hope on this camera was raise up for a little bit when I watching the live interview session on BHPHOTO, as two guy who shot with the Canon R5 said they experience no overheat at all under the hot sun in New York.

[@thefilmpoets]

Maybe they were shooting in 4k?

[@Davitor1]

All of this is mostly based on speculation with no real hands on experience. Who here has the R5 or 6. No one.

[@RealJoshuaSe]

They stress that they were shooting in 8K

[@thefilmpoets]

@@RealJoshuaSe Then Canon must have the dumbest marketing department in the world. Why would they have ambassadors and reps give overheating time limits to share if it's a non-issue?

[@RealJoshuaSe]

@@thefilmpoets my bet would be the overheat issue still occurs if you push the camera all the way, so canon disclose this in advance so the consumer wont freak out when they found out themselves. So just maybe, in regular real world shooting (1-2 mins per clip with stop in between), it may not even overheat until the camera completely shutdown. But still waiting for further testing to confirm all these 😄

[@CesarLRodriguez]

Thank you for this. 🙏 This is just the video I was looking for. I was thinking I’d go with the R6 but it looks like I’m gonna have to wait to see what Sony releases.

[@thefilmpoets]

Cesar L. Rodriguez I hope she’s just confused, but I don;t see how Canon would let a someone blast false info that could hurt sales

[@CesarLRodriguez]

The Film Poets yeah, I agree. She seemed very specific & certain about what she said though so sadly I doubt she was mistaken. I can imagine that this overheating issue has got to be killing their sales. I bought an R5 and then cancelled my order as soon as I saw the overheating specs. Do you think the R6 would overheat if I only recorded videos in 1080? Even outside in the heat?

[@thefilmpoets]

Cesar L. Rodriguez I have no idea about the 1080p modes. If it’s over sampled 1080p, which would look nice, it’l be processor intensive still.

[@spector175]

@@thefilmpoets I would suggest wait for canon to release firmware update of all-i on eos r6(mentioned in CanonEurope livestream they said based on user feedback they will add all-i in firmware update) then see a couple of reviews how it performs in 4k 24 ,4k 60 , overheat or not . Then compare it with what sony releases a7iv , a7siii , even fuji xt3,xt4 are good and doesn't overheat all of these are with good af. Else you can go for lumix s1h(even s1 is quite good), bmpcc4k/6k,zcam s6/f6 these won't give you af but their image quality,DR,dual iso , raw are fantastic and you can have unlimited recording so yeah a lot of options. R6 was a complete package for me but if it does overheat I'll look for those options.

[@Davitor1]

What's so sad about having: High Image Quality 45 Megapixel Full-frame CMOS SensorDIGIC X Image Processor with an ISO range of 100-51200; Expandable to 102400Dual Pixel CMOS AF covering Approx. 100% Area with 1,053 AF AreasSubject tracking of People and Animals using Deep Learning TechnologyIn-body Image Stabilizer can provide up to 8 stops of Shake CorrectionDual Card Slots for CFexpress and UHS-II SD Memory CardsBuilt-in 0.5" 5.76 Million Dots OLED EVF with 120fps refresh rate, Vari-angle LCD Touchscreen2.4/5Ghz Built-in Wi-Fi, Bluetooth Technology

[@anthonymelendez2605]

wonder if a third party fix will come out I mean Tilta hacked the bmpc so i have confidence.

[@Bluerush1992]

Damn. Finally the specs are up to par but now Canon is running into the problems Sony had before. I wonder if maybe canon can make some sort of grip that maybe provides cooling to the camera? I thought this was gonna be the year I was gonna switch back from Sony but I guess I’ll have to hold on. Was really looking for a reliable B cam to my C200

[@marioslrzn]

Victor - Bluerush1992 I don’t see how it would change cause it has time limits in extreme resolutions 8k and 4k120fps, and there’s no other company even given you these options and canon does everything they do now but better and you still get extra bonus, high evf, full frame AF area, 4K High Quality mode, so please let me know what camera available right now offer any feature that better

[@MyekalBenham]

Sony don't have these specs. My Sony overheats at 4k 30. I will be switching back to Canon. 4k60 with a huge bit rate will smoke my a7iii. There is an Aussie guy with a great video on the R5. He actually used it !! Check it out.

[@jorgealonso5750]

Is 110 degrees in Las Vegas, how many minutes before overheats??

[@JonnyHavens]

Here’s hoping for Sony’s new release 🤞🏻

[@michaelbell75]

Sony had massive problems with overheating on their cameras as well. Google search...

[@HeroShotz]

Yup thats why delayed there announcement twice this year

[@ritammelgunov8501]

A sober view, I like this more balanced and practical approach. Subscribed )

[@thefilmpoets]

Thank you for realizing I'm not trying to crap on Canon.

[@ritammelgunov8501]

@@thefilmpoets My previous comment was not meant for you at all ) Sorry ) Just the opposite. I found your approach very balanced and sober. I actually posted it on your page by mistake - I was going to post it as my reply to another very biased review ) But then I thought let it remain here so that some other blatant haters may read it too and ponder over what I've written ) Will keep checking updates from you ) Good luck! By the way, I am a poet of words and photo-images, so was glad to see the poetic title of your page :) - though I almost don't shoot videos, but still video shooting is also interesting for me as one more way of poetic development ;)

[@ajingogliafilms5340]

I just can’t believe it man. I was so excited but NYC on a hot summer day. No way.

[@thefilmpoets]

I think the R5 may be workable. Not sure how Canon could mess up the R6 like this. Maybe the lady talking is confused.

[@arttiz01]

My R6 overheats in 4K 60 and 4K 24fps. It is a shame. I live in Puerto Rico. Caribbean summer all year around. Although I love the camera, everytime I shoot an interview, it is so annoying to see the overheating warning at about 20 minutes of recording! I am not happy about it. I am just using the camera to record b-roll, stopping and pressing the record button constantly. So sad! Why Sony cameras with similar bodies don't overheat like the Canons? Thanks for the video!

[@MaksimYuryev]

NOOOOOOOOOO 😭😭😭

[@thefilmpoets]

I said the same thing. =( - I hope bouncing from R5 4k pixel binned over to 4k 60 occasionally will be doable.

[@MaksimYuryev]

The Film Poets I guess we’ll have to see how the quality is. In my experience pixel binned video also has issues with aliasing and moire which is a bigger issue than the lowlight performance and detail loss you can get especially if it’s such a big drop in resolution but I hope they can pull it off well.

[@thefilmpoets]

@@MaksimYuryev remember the Mavic 2 Pro FOV is a binned image, still nice. From what I understand, binning can be done in several different ways, hopefully it's a nice algorithm.

[@geraldbaria]

I knew that body was too small the first time I saw it.😭 Canon upgraded to physics hammer.

[@KeithsTVHD1]

@@geraldbaria lol

[@paoloeb]

Your videos are great, can't wait for the review of the mavic air 2!!

[@thefilmpoets]

It's just about ready!

[@paoloeb]

@@thefilmpoets looking forward!

[@TheMacronical]

It got leaked that Canon is releasing a firmware update to the R6, adding All-I codec for video instead of just IPB like it was supposed to only be released with originally. I wonder if it was the IPB codec providing additional compression, hence making your camera work harder to produce the image that was causing the overheating. Just putting out a thought

[@skullcandy7934]

I don't understand why everyone is talking trash about the both cameras... Lets wait for few weeks for some real world review and then we gonna decide... !!

[@thefilmpoets]

there are 4 videos out there, from people who've shot with the r5 for months that mention overheating and shutdown. One is from a Canon ambassador. This video is a Canon rep stating that the R6 overheats in their tests. Feel free to ignore them. I get it. Emotional bias is real.

It's always better to get the not so good news out first especially if you plan on purchasing the R5 or R6, there is still plenty to like.

[@ktcool4660]

If only canon could give me 60p 5.5K raw video for R6, sames as 1DX Mark III.

[@michaelbell75]

If you're a professional event filmmaker needing to shoot more than 30 minutes of video, you should probably have a VIDEO camera. Just a thought...

[@thefilmpoets]

Michael Bell maybe all of us wedding filmmakers are doing it wrong.

[@matafilms]

A camera that overheats whilst not recording. Why would they design it like that?

[@caldera878]

Events aren't even back yet and I guess this camera is for lonely woodland footage on top of mountain peaks.

[@JamesDBuzzard]

Keep in mind that all the timeframes that canon gives you are at room temperature of 70 degrees. It will over heat in half the time just being in the Sun at 70 degrees. That is f****** terrible. It will not fit my workflow or the work for the Productions I shoot.

[@Davitor1]

So then purchase a cinema camera with 8K and no recording limits and pay 5 times as much? That’s your only option. What’s terrible is your inability to understand the limitations of a hybrid camera and recording 8K internally.

[@JamesDBuzzard]

@@Davitor1 I shoot on hybrid cameras everyday. I am very aware of limits of hybrid cameras. My little sony ZV1 shoot 4k for over 2 hours without overheating. A7III shoots 4k for over an hour on a 95 degree day outside. Eos R5 is 4000 and overheats in 4k in 30 minutes at room temperature. I'm not even talking about 8K son. I DP for a living working with cinema cameras and hybrid cameras. What do you do?

[@JamesDBuzzard]

@@Davitor1 what's terrible is your inability to understand and comprehend a simple comment on a YT video. All I said is it wont work for my workflow or the Productions I work on. Sorry man. You probably are a canon fan boy that doesn't want to hear anything bad about Canons newest release. Get off canons nuts bro

[@GerardoGherman]

another bad news for us ( wedding videographers ) is no dual rec backup like, sony, panasonic, fuji has! so really really sad the only way to have a backup and second record to sleep well is to go hdmi out to an external recorder like a atomos or blackmagic =(

[@Davitor1]

8K for under 4,000... uncompress internal recording with a 30 minute limit. That's great news. What other camera does that?

[@GerardoGherman]

@@Davitor1 im not talking about price or 8k... im talking about a basic feature, dual recording to both cards...

[@Davitor1]

Gerardo Gherman this what you get: Raw 12-Bit DCI 8K (8192 x 4320) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p [2600 Mb/s] H.265 4:2:2 10-Bit DCI 8K (8192 x 4320) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p [680 to 1300 Mb/s] UHD 8K (7680 x 4320) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p [680 to 1300 Mb/s] DCI 4K (4096 x 2160) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [170 to 1880 Mb/s] UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [170 to 1880 Mb/s] Full HD (1920 x 1080) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p [28 to 230 Mb/s] H.264 4:2:0 8-Bit DCI 8K (8192 x 4320) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p [470 to 1300 Mb/s] UHD 8K (7680 x 4320) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p [470 to 1300 Mb/s] DCI 4K (4096 x 2160) at 23.976p/24.00p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [120 to 1880 Mb/s] UHD 4K (3840 x 2160) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p/100p/119.88p [120 to 1880 Mb/s] Full HD (1920 x 1080) at 23.976p/25p/29.97p/50p/59.94p [12 to 180 Mb/s]

[@Davitor1]

Gerardo Gherman High-Speed Shooting up to 20 fps The EOS R5 can capture fast moving subjects in high speed burst. At up to 12fps with mechanical shutter and up to 20fps with silent shutter, the EOS R5 can capture the split-second details between a subject’s movement.

[@Davitor1]

Astonishing Autofocus and Subject Detection The EOS R5 brings subject detection to a new level - Utilizing Canon’s Dual Pixel CMOS AF Technology, the EOS R5 will be capable of making Ultra-High-Speed Autofocus calculations to match its immensely powerful High-Speed Shooting capability of 20 fps. Subject detection adopted from the Live View AF tracking system in the EOS-1D X Mark III brings Face, Head and even Eye tracking when People detection is set, providing ease and accuracy when capturing stills or video. Detection of Animals will also be possible for the first time in a Canon camera, effectively tracking the whole body, face, or eye of cats, dogs, or birds for speed and precision.

[@mohdnorazmil]

Err you guys might be over-reacting, turning on any machine (even your handphone) turns up the temperature lol... that's not overheating. But like you said, we need a proper production review. Just chill everyone hehehehe. Anyways, I am so far, happy with the stills capability :)

[@ChadWork1]

Back to the GH5!

[@michaeldidomenico7]

so 1080P for video is all good?

[@JessDemant]

A Canon with overheating at 4K and 8K video or a Sony with 4K video with good specifications without overheating, make the choice easy!

[@mreddieau]

What a shame, both cameras severely crippled by overheating - cancelled my preorders

[@asahai2]

Let me know what u will get for 2500 dollars that can shoot 4k at 60 fps.

[@jhellier]

Great explanation and info. Im hoping this camera will at least be useable for 4k30 oversampled mode in short bursts of 10-30 seconds.

[@thefilmpoets]

Oh it will for sure be useable for that. That mode will be great for most everything except long speeches or interviews.

[@TheCandieWhore]

My thoughts are this, keep in mind i'm a beginner stills photographer and not a filmmaker, how much slow motion 4k does a wedding shooter use? isn't 4k 24 still the go to for regular shooting? And if you're a professional that can afford the r5 and some rf lenses I feel like you already plan on having a b camera or ever a couple to switch between when you run into those problems. I feel like alot of people were looking for the hammer but not really thinking about the big picture, having 8k or even oversampled 4k 120 uncrropped raw with dpaf is insane, and it might not even be possible to eliminate overheating in a small body like this with those specs. Now as I said i'm not a filmmaker and I'm excited for the r6 for stills only, please don't blast me in the comments but let me know your thoughts.

[@arthursese6068]

That b cam is on the groom for his reaction while I'm recording the bride coming down the aisle. I don't want to worry about either overheating. If it does I'm screwed. Tests are needed, I film in 100+ heat in direct sun, will 4k 24p not overheat?

[@Musatainment]

So much fake and out of context news and blown out of proportion. It’s sad to see someone with an audience as big of yours tends to clickbait for views :( 4k 24 had no overheating even after an hour. Several people mentioned that who tested the pre-production unit. 4k 60 for 30 mins is more than enough for most people. Realistically how many people record 4k 60p for 30 mins straight ? Check DP reviews full review on the R6 that dropped today around the 6:53 timestamp where he talks about overheating.

[@thefilmpoets]

How is showing what Canon states clickbait? Also here's the r6 overheating in 24p, just like Canon says that it will. - -kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3TRg5t7iqyjmbM

[@Musatainment]

​@@thefilmpoets He did not film it in 4K 24p. He filmed it in 4k50p which is 4k60p ntsc, please check the link you posted one more time. Even in 4k 60p it went for about 30 mins straight before overheating, so I think that's great. Also, All electronics will generate some heat and Canon stated the obvious. Sorry don't meant to sound rude, but a lot of people are blowing this a bit out of proportion for attention and views.

[@Xaveth]

Aaaaaand that's a wrap! Maybe next gen Canon! Try again.

[@qiangli4022]

I guess there's no way around overheating if your squeezing all that performance into a photo camera body what's weather sealed and not actively cooled. The video cameras have fans built in to dissipate the heat.

[@thatcrazydutchguy9824]

There's a Korean video with it, there the r6 went down before the r5. It wasn't clear in which format they tested, my Korean is really non existent

[@thefilmpoets]

yep, I saw that too. It's in line with what Canon stated but many don't want to believe.

[@AllCarsUnited]

Hmmm sony a7s3 and Panasonic are the way to go

[@truthseeker3536]

It amazes me, how many people have issues with overheating and have not figured out the simple solution. Stop using stills cameras for serious video work. Get a video camera (camcorder) for that purpose!

[@calebweaver4535]

She has the picture up for the R5. I honestly think (and pray) she just got mixed up and is talking about the R5. This is the only time I've heard about overheating in the R6. I can't find any other references to overheating in the R6 except for this

[@thefilmpoets]

I agree and hope you're right. But in the full video she states r5 overheating first, then he specifaccly asks about the r6 and she answered with different numbers. I'd love for her answer to be a mistake.

[@1883entertainment]

@@thefilmpoets yeah I'm really praying the made a mistake. I was going to grab that R6 REAL quick

[@robertm3951]

The R6 has the Image Processor of the 1Dx. The Image sensor is new

[@thefilmpoets]

no it's the same sensor just a different low pass filter. Thats talked about in the interview.

[@m77ast]

Overheating is a problem that can be solved with hardware. I’m sure canon already has a plan for this. However autofocus is a bigger problem that S1H so far has not been able to solve.

[@chesed]

At least they're honest and up front about it. I appreciate that (hope that employee isn't fired =P). Anyway, people can make a better decision with this info. I'm using this mostly for stills and maybe a bit of 1080 content, so I should be okay with it personally. I'm curious if it overheats even when not recording to a card (for example, HDMI out and using it as a web camera... if you can somehow get around the 30 minute record time).

[@PrithvirajNarahari]

When they say 30 minutes of recording time, does that mean continuous recording or recording in intervals also counts?

[@AllThingsFilm1]

Usually that refers to continuous recording. But, the overheating issue can be affected by the environment you're recording in. If you're filming outside and it's hot, you may very well have overheating problems.

[@PrithvirajNarahari]

VFX Todd Thank you!!

[@Craftypiston]

@@PrithvirajNarahari Also with intervals, she mentions the camera overheating even when idle..

[@skymakai]

The other way would be a direct pixel to pixel readout from the center if the sensor. It might be a 2x crop though.

[@thefilmpoets]

right. a 1:1 readout would work, but thats a massive crop on a 45mp sensor. It already does a 1.6x crop and still overheats at 60p.

[@marioslrzn]

The Film Poets there is no crop 4k60fps, I think every mode is a downsample but depends how big 8k to 4K or 5.5 to 4K. I think the extreme resolutions are going to be specialty shots like the 4k120fps , it’s not something you need to shoot for more that a few minutes at most, I’ve never seen anyone just keep shooting at 4k120fps more than 1-3 minutes at most before trying to set up for another shot

[@sergiypervun9509]

Could you tell is it possible to record a timelapse with Canon R6 or R5 using an external intervalometer or maybe built-in? I mean photo sequences RAW timelapse and not video-based like in Canon M50.

[@capitolbassfishing]

Why why why would that do this!!?? I bet the a7s iii won’t overheat. That was the dumbest move canon.

[@_Doom_20]

Are they planning to address the issues and iron them out before production models are sent out? Or just leaving it and hoping firmware will solve this?

[@thefilmpoets]

They've released official docs showing these numbers now. This is a limitation of each camera due to the size.

[@_Doom_20]

The Film Poets so we just have to manage our work around the overheating issue?

[@thefilmpoets]

@@_Doom_20 exactly. this will be easier with the r5 than the r6

[@_Doom_20]

The Film Poets appreciate the info, keep up the good work

[@cbflazaro]

pixel binning = moire, worse low light performance, etc

[@thefilmpoets]

I actually think binning = better lowlight performance because its averaging out the noise.

[@geraldbaria]

The Film Poets That’s oversampling. Pixel binning is skipping every other pixel, just getting the 8megs for 4K that you need from strategic pixels in the sensor. That means less info recorder, and more guessing to fill up the unused pixels. That usually creates a far inferior image, similar to the S1R.

[@nightdonutstudio]

Oversampling will have better low light and better detail. Say canon c100 oversampling from 4k sensor to output 1080p only. That 1080p is so detailed and have great low light performance.

[@cbflazaro]

@@thefilmpoets its reading only part of them. How does a sensor only reading 1/4 of the pixels outperforms reading all. Did the a7ii look better than the a7iii to you? Cuz the 2 line skips and the 3 oversamples

[@marioslrzn]

Bruno Lazaro That’s not true, cause in astrophotography we use the same pixel bin to get better lowlight performance, there’s an option up to 4x on ASIAIR pro

[@RoweFilms]

Oh dear. Nuff said.

[@timothyoliver_]

Oh boy.

[@leonaloveish]

Well said 💪🏿

[@thomashabermann3145]

Thanks for sharing. This renders both cameras almost useless for professional video use because the last thing you want to think about while shooting is overheating, which stops the creative process immediately.

[@adetola2256]

Wow people are funny You asked for it, they gave it to u u still said it is not enough. It is like having a mack engine in a toyota suv. It will be insane, how many small body camera out there which does not overheat at even 4k with external recorders after some time. This is doing the recording internally with insane amount of data burst. Even the cf card will have to cool off a bit. For those complaining about wedding videos being a problem for the camera. How many of u can deliver 8k contents to your clients. Do u go to such occasions with only one camera? Quit complaining and get the best tool that suits your business.

[@kevindiaz3459]

I would add in regards to the wedding shooter comment, how many serious wedding shooters are doing video on these small bodies anyway? I would think anyone serious has actual video cameras for their video, since they need something that will last an entire event. They likely use the smaller bodies to get short videos for b roll and side angles, not as the main camera. People that are crying otherwise I feel are those that are just assuming that wedding togs are pissed that this camera won't be replacing their C300 or whatever they are using.

[@Craftypiston]

Pfffft terrible. Should have gone for a native 4k with raw 30 and 60 non-raw. Having the camera overheat on room temperature WHILE idle is crazy. 8K is nice but not really usable with this unstable situation.

[@thefilmpoets]

Just to clarify, she said it won’t overheat at room temperature, but the heat will build up and you’ll have a higher starting temp when you do record, which could lower recording times.

[@tonyhailstone]

Canon fucked up. This could have been huge for the industry.

[@cbflazaro]

question is. is the 4k pixel binned 24/25p actually able to go 30min then + 30min ?

[@wazzedon]

Yes - the same canon interview this video showed clips from says they none oversampled 4k has any heating issues and if using an external recorder like the atamos ninja v you have unlimited recording time not set to 30 minute clips.

[@bencorwin]

GH6 8K won't overheat. Just saying.

[@KeithsTVHD1]

Well darn will the R5 and R6 over heat in 1080p, rethinking my preorder.

[@michaelbell75]

Good, more R6 availability for photographers like me who dont give a crap about video!

[@kevindiaz3459]

Where did they say they overheat in 1080? 8K and 4K is what I heard them say, not 1080.

[@TopFacts4U-w5y]

Man people misleading about r5&r6 .

[@photogenic2010]

Any Camera that costs so much and overheats should not be considered by any serious video pro (which is what Canon says it is). If Panasonic can do FULL FRAME Photo and Video without shutting down then Canon should be able to do it (That's all they make, and they charge more). Second point: Every good feature here is a Panasonic invention right back to their GH2 some 10 years ago ! (down to the articulating screen). So, What could have been something I wanted (Canon 8K) is null & Void. Sony should learn a lesson here with the next S3 !

[@TriWaZe]

Yep Canon need to go back to the drawing board on this. I don't understand their decision to release it before the R6 either. Leaks said it wasn't shipping until September but now it's coming out at the end of this month. WTF are they doing over there. This camera cannot be released like this. They may as well throw out all the progress they just made.

[@ActionZ]

honestly though, do wedding photographers really NEED 8K? Just buy a sony/gh5, spend less money, and not have to worry about this. These camera's are really more targeted towards broll film makers that need the power in short bursts.

[@vladepast4936]

The main point is Canon is no better than Sony. Second, Canon is trying to downplay the problem (overheating) the same way Sony did. I do not care about video, I hope the stills are as good as we hope for.

[@paulbutlervisuals932]

Question, it will not overheat if i use an external record right? If i record anything 4k 60fps and below using the micro hdmi i can bypass the recording limit and since im not using the sd cards it shouldn't overheat?

[@thefilmpoets]

I think that's the case. Check the description for the PROAV interview. They chat about that.

[@davinshi.visuals]

Wish I would have seen this video before buying 2 r6s to start my wedding career 😢😢😢 should have went with Sony to begin with..expensive mistake.

[@walkerdocs1]

Why would you use a camera like this for event shooting? It's a stills camera with video.

[@kevindiaz3459]

Same thing I keep thinking. Anyone doing serious event shooting would use this camera for b roll or side angles. Their main camera is going to be some kind of video camera. I have a lot of doubt anyone is out there recording for 3-6 hours for video as a serious videographer with some kind of small camera like this, or any other on the market.

[@thefilmpoets]

Lots of reasons. I've been on the 1dxII for 3 years. It's the combination of size, quality, and ease of use. Also the form factor helps to put the client ease. No bride wants a giant camera shoved in their face.

[@kevindiaz3459]

@@thefilmpoets "No bride wants a giant camera shoved in their face." Dude, I'm digging what you are saying, but Imma hafta call BS on this. I shoot with a 5D with a grip, with some pretty big lenses for portraits. No one has ever said "that is way too big a camera for my taste bro". If anything, it makes them think I have a more pro setup than their uncle that has a Rebel. I can't speak for everyone, but I feel like at the very least this is an exaggeration.

[@thefilmpoets]

Kevin Diaz you just asked why someone doesn’t use a proper video camera. That’d be a C300 or similar. Much larger than a 1d or gripped 5d. Not to mention traveling with multiple cameras.

[@fiskpad]

She said whenever it is on even going through menus. Does this mean that it overheats when shooting stills???

[@thefilmpoets]

fiskpad No, she’s talking about how having the camera on, even while it’s not recording, causes heat to build up. It wont overheat, but it’s starting from a warmer point once you start rolling and that can affect the recording time.

[@fiskpad]

The Film Poets thank you!

[@HeroShotz]

Welp ill be sticking with my rp and just add on that new 600 and 85 to my bag lol

[@FrostyTheBeerMan]

Excellent video, thanks for posting this ! Just posted a link to it on Camera Conspiracies KZbin channel. ✅

[@rgeorgek42]

That’s disappointing. I’m in mirrorless limbo still. Guess Borrowlenses will be seeing a good amount of my money...when events get back.

[@JaypeeBatth]

Full HD 120ps ?? It has ?? In EOS R5

[@thefilmpoets]

It’s 4k 120fps. Crazy.

[@JaypeeBatth]

@@thefilmpoets thanku sir. But in Full HD NOT 120fps ????

[@carlosfsr5377]

@@JaypeeBatth It's coming on a firmware upgrade.

[@blaineaburnettsr]

Think I’ll wait for people to actually get the camera in their hands before I let cherry picked comments from a downstream rep sway my opinion. If it’s true though I’ll be sticking with my Sony.

[@thefilmpoets]

Blaine Burnett Man I hope you’re right. I want to rock the R6 over the R5 because of the oversampled 4k anyway. How does a rep get fed bad info like that though?

[@blaineaburnettsr]

The Film Poets I doubt she is completely wrong, especially with the supporting documentation, what I’m hoping is she is overstating the weakness.

[@lavegasconnect]

I had to cancel my pre-order. I was super excited with all the hype from the R5 but I live in Arizona and its pretty much always 90 degrees or higher. How knows how much the overheating will limit me! I can already foresee the overheating issues being a nightmare on video jobs. I figured it would run into some overheating issues shooting 8k in that body but overheating shooting 4k just won't cut it for me. I really wanted to go Canon but I think Panasonic SH1 is a more reliable purchase for me since my budget is 4 grand anyways for a camera body.

[@Davitor1]

So enjoy your SH1, and my advice is to not look at footage shot in 8K. Because your going to get jealous real fast.

[@thefilmpoets]

dude just order it and test. August deliver is a perfect time. BH takes returns, might cost $60 in return shipping and insurance. no biggie.

[@lavegasconnect]

Man it really does look amazing but its a non factor for me if I really can't use it due to overheating. In Arizona you probably can cut that already limited time of 8k for 20 mins in half to 10 mins tops because of the hot environment. In doors it would definitely work for me but its 90 degrees even at night here. I'm tempted to re-order and test it out. Hopefully someone will be able to do a heat test on KZbin before it releases.

[@basserfelt]

Well English ain’t my native, but nowhere did she say it would overheat, but said the heat would increase.

[@thefilmpoets]

talking about the R6, he says, "lets talk about the r6 overheating" and then she gave time limits. On the R5, she did say it would overheat and gave time limits but thats not in the video because its been covered by others.

[@lucashu476]

Waiting for some Chinese companies to launch R5/6 cage with air conditioning.

[@TevinFosterDP]

RIP, C70 it is then lol

[@0AlbertC]

I have an idea, when recording 8k footage, you may need to stick a hand phone cooler (come with peltier cooler and fan) at the back of the r5 while the articulating screen is open. This might cool down the camera and elongate the recording time.

[@AyechinoProd]

$3k+ for a camera that overheats granted the technology packed into the form-factor, I think Canon should highly consider delaying the camera releases and addressing this potential dealer breaker. Overheating + recording limit is seriously gonna limit the number of things you can do with these cameras.

[@mattc3510]

They want it to over heat. If it didn’t it would cannibalise their other more expensive camera line up. They purposely made the decision to have no cooling to make this an amateur only video product.

[@AyechinoProd]

@@mattc3510 I agree 100% and the only good thing so far with this announcement is BMPCC 6k is now $2,000 retail, a camera people should really look into instead of the R5/6. Thank you, Canon.

[@mattc3510]

Ayechino Prod. That’s cool, you have some great videos on your channel, are they mostly shot on the BMPCC6k? Seems to have that look to them.

[@AyechinoProd]

@@mattc3510 Thank you and I wish, most of the videos on my page were shot on the Sony A6300/A6000.

[@timelesscreations777]

You got to remember this is just with the pre-production cameras. And people like Peter McKinnon who had the camera for 5 months I'm sure have let Canon know that this issue has occurred as well as the development team. So in the last 5 months I'm sure Canon has looked into the matter. I seriously doubt they want to sell 3000 and $5,000 cameras and just have a mass recall

[@Davitor1]

The camera just shuts down. It does not over heat to the point of any damage. Another fact is that you’ll run out of memory even faster at 8K. Just to have 51 minutes you need a terabyte memory card.

[@thefilmpoets]

It’s not a recall issue, they are managing expectations to minimize returns.

[@Davitor1]

The Film Poets but what other hybrid camera is available that can record in 8K. NOTHING. If you want more recording time at 8K then the alternative will cost you THREE time as much and much larger in size.

[@thefilmpoets]

David Ramos So what about the r6 overheating?

[@Davitor1]

The Film Poets I want 8K detail. Without having to pay 25,000 for it.

[@greggreenhaw]

need a cooler cage with ice

[@MyekalBenham]

Have you even used the camera? How are all these people making comments and videos about something that hasn't even been used by the Public. Geezus. These sort of vids should be reported.

[@thefilmpoets]

Myekie So when Canon makes a statement you don;t listen? Also there are over heating reports by 5 different R5 users.