Canon Scoopic 16mm Film Camera Overview

[@filmdriven]

WOW! The film quality is so much better than digital, it’s amazing!

[@shinichihayakawa7619]

8:55 This camera is acturally a Canon Scoopic 16 M, and the "M" stands for macro. Unlike most of the 8mm cameras, Scoopic 16 M's macro is set by a dedicated ring independent of the zoom ring. It is very easy to accidentally set the macro mode on without knowing, causing an awful focus shift during zooming.

[@nickademuss42]

awesome, I love the look of the expired film, and how it portrays the points of light like the LED displays on the synths, that flicker....

[@nilsotterbein9516]

Thanks for the video examples! I´m studying Media Science and work on a homework assignment about Canon Scoopic 16 and their rolemodel for 16mm films! It´s a good source! 😀

[@rdfeatherfilms]

Trying to get my feet wet in the film arena and this helps so much. Many thanks for publishing this online!

[@jackoneil3933]

Thanks for that John. Brought back memories from back in the 70's when I was in H.S. and working as an assistant Camera Man for a local TV station that had a couple of Scopics for B-Roll. I also remember having to strap on a battery belt and that the original batteries being Lead-Acid?

[@RickScheibner]

Good stuff, Mike. Thanks for helping me get my FPP fix until your hiatus is over later this month. And as always, thanks so much for everything you're doing to promote film.

[@michaelraso]

Film madness over here! Recording series of new shows super soon!

[@michaelbruchas6663]

KOTV in Tulsa was a “Bolex house” in the 70s but somehow we got 2 Scoopics. Interesting shooters. One got stolen and the other given to the University of Tulsa after KOTV went all video.

[@AlmightyUniden]

Loved the footage! Can't wait to see more!

[@cavernaco.5031]

Hey! Did you finally make the test with new stock?

[@AustinBeeman]

I used one of those in film school. Still have a Bolex Rex 5.

[@michaelraso]

I have a Bolex. Currently gummed up! Gotta get it TLA'd!

[@robertrostad3930]

I found this video after looking at this model on eBay. Nothing like film. What do you think about the model and the format, several years later?

[@FilmPhotographyProject]

Folks LOVE the Canon Scoopic and for very good reasons. For me and my applications, I prefer the smaller wind-up cameras. - Mike

[@milescollins9373]

Awesome video, very informative. It fills me with joy and optimism to see people keeping the medium alive. I was wondering, how did you manage to sync the audio with the footage at the start of the video, did you invest in a crystal sync motor? Or is that it working without a crystal sync motor? Thanks a lot!

[@michaelraso]

I had to chop and push around the audio on the edit timeline. Audio stays in sync for only a few seconds at a time.

[@RafaelEnriqueKerguelen]

Excellent

[@myyutu2011]

Hello! Thank you for the video. How do you compare Canon Scoopic with Bolex H16? Which one has better image quality - better optics and frames stability?

[@999yuiop]

Hi, great video. Do you think this could be used for feature-length films? I know in the video you said this was mostly used for news segments and it looks like there are extra steps to getting a 400 ft roll into the camera. I am exploring other options like the arri BL 16mm . I'm not sure if I should go with that one or the scoopic.

[@FilmPhotographyProject]

If you're planning on recording dialog on the set, then I recommend a Arri SR (might be cheaper top rent than buy). Arri BL is a great option for non-sound b-rolls shots. Both accept 400 ft loads of film . Not sure of the Scoopic offered a 400 ft option. Otherwise, the K3, Bolex and other cameras only take 100 ft loads - which is ALOT of film changing if you're shooting a feature + they're noisy (as is the Scoopic). GHOUL SCHOOL (available to watch on Tube TV - tubitv.com/home ) was shot on the Arri SR (dialog shots), 16mm BL (silent B-roll shots) Good luck with your project. - Mike

[@999yuiop]

@@FilmPhotographyProject Hi, thanks for responding. I've never used a film camera so I'm a complete beginner. The film I want to shoot contains mostly dialog, so being able to block out the noise is important to me. Is the only option really the arri SR or are there others that are relatively cheap and can handle dialog? Aren't all of these cameras really noisy? What is the best way to record dialog and film with 16mm?

[@FilmPhotographyProject]

As a beginner I recommend that you shoot some short subject reels using a cheap wind-up camera (like the Keystone A Series cameras - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqSklYWYrLF-facsi=jrZJsfDgW9PXD52U ) before embarking on a big project. Cheapest option is to rent your gear (for your big project).

[@tomaszmazur3117]

You did great reviews. I'm starting the adventure with 16mm format. What do you recommend for the beginner bolex h16, beaulieu r16 or Canon scoopic?

[@FilmPhotographyProject]

Keystone A12 Criterion Deluxe. EZ and very inexpensive.

[@RealSergiob466]

@@FilmPhotographyProject because I'm thinking about that will use 24FPS

[@dduck1585]

Bolex, avoid the scoopic at all costs, a serviced R16 with Schneider primes can give amazing results as well

[@DethronerX]

Hello. I wanted to ask, if the indoor lighting is white, especially nowadays when we can set the WB of the RGB lights, do we use daylight balanced film? Or would the ASA be too less for the right exposure indoors?

[@FilmPhotographyProject]

Most of the film I shoot is negative film and it is color graded fixing any incorrect color balance. Not sure if that answers your question. - Mike

[@DethronerX]

@@FilmPhotographyProject Yes it does. Negative handles exposure better and I can correct on post. Thanks

[@bicyclechain]

Looks like there are loop formers in there like in Bolex 16mm cameras. Do they have to be released on the Scoopic before the lid is re-fitted?

[@FilmPhotographyProject]

Don't recall. No longer have my Scoopic camera. - Mike

[@sittingnow]

Great review. What happened to the Vision 3 tests? Can you upload them?

[@professor-josh]

I like the strange form factor. All to make it easier to hand-hold I suppose, better weight distribution.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

The Ektachrome shots looked SOOOO much like Super8, rather than 16mm :P Well, the only thing that gave it away that it wasn't Super 8 was the steady picture, which you don't really get with normal Super8 cameras. Would have been great if there would have been a Scoopic soundcamera which would have recorded optical sound on the side of the filmstrip that has no sprocket holes.

[@amartinjoe]

Beautiful images. I had no idea the camera was that big - it looked small on ebay.

[@jmalmsten]

To anyone wondering, If you rate a film lower than the box says. Like here with 800 film and setting the light meter to 640. That means you overexpose the film. If you intend to correct it in processing, you are "pulling" the film. Usually results in slightly lower contrast but getting cleaner noise floor (noise on film being grain). Though. I'm not sure how much effect it would be in this case as its not even a full stop of pulling (a full stop being rating it as 400 instead of 640) You can do the opposite. Rate the film higher. Setting the light meter to 1600 or 3200 and correct it at processing. In that case you are underexposing by a stop and with the correction in processing you get a more contrasty image with a higher noise floor (again, the noise being grain) and at the lab it's known as "pushing" the film a stop (1600) or two (3200) or more.

[@alinbambarac9129]

That`s verry nice! Congrats! What about a chapter about mastering focus at low light? :P

[@DefaultName-yo8ct]

Were your jam session shots on sticks? did you measure focus there or was it all viewfinder? Thanks mate!

[@FilmPhotographyProject]

Hand held. All focusing done through the viewfinder. Gotta love the Scoopic!

[@petepictures]

long live film

[@sergioreyes298]

I remember seeing the Scoopic but white. Which model would that have been?

[@hampannswede]

How does the camera under- or overexpose the film? Does it adjust the aperture of the lens automatically?

[@FilmPhotographyProject]

You can set your f-stop manually as well as use the "auto" function.

[@1phreshprince1]

I know very little about motion picture film. Can this be used for super and ultra 16mm?

[@michaelraso]

Canon Scoopic is standard 16mm (also not sync sound)

[@Mr.Tamade]

Great video!! What you think better for begginer canon scoopic or bolex h16? Thanks

[@michaelraso]

Bolex H16. More practical in my opinion.

[@MichaelCarter]

How did you get one with a working exposure control?

[@michaelraso]

I bought it from a person that used it recently. All functions working. Always best to buy from someone who is intimate with the camera.

[@monmioamio]

Love the outro 👍🏻

[@Hotminator88]

love it!!!

[@barnabyjones3708]

Would you recommend this as a first 16mm camera? I'm on the fence between this, the K3, the Bolex H16.

[@michaelraso]

Bolex Reflex. It's smaller, can change lenses and easy to travel with.

[@barnabyjones3708]

@@michaelraso thanks for the advice!

[@screamingskull]

The last roll you shot of the band was marked 800t. What's the stock number on that? I would love to get some!

[@michaelraso]

Hi Webster. The test was done a few years ago. I don't have the stock number written and the film is in storage. If you Google Kodak Vision 800T, the spec sheet comes up. I think Kodak only made it as a Vision (first generation) film.

[@webstercolcord1231]

@@michaelraso Seems like it was discontinued in 2004. It looks great! From the Cinematography forum, Vision2 500T 7218 came out and when pushed one-stop to 1000 ASA it's no grainier than the 800T. So I guess that kinda replaced it.

[@ArthurPhoto1]

Lots of fun, how did you scan it?

[@michaelraso]

Telecine at Deluxe in Northvale, NJ.

[@Cameraville]

Roll out was cool

[@videosuperhighway7655]

Old tech now they have digital cameras that can record video into a solid state digital film cartridges. The footage can be copied into a computer that will let you view the footage instantly like a modern day Polavision tech.

[@CrimsionVision]

I’m a complete beginner and how do I get stared when I receive my film?

[@collj86]

Hello Just bought a scoopic from Japan. I’m trying to charge my battery My camera also has a second battery on the handle that takes AA Can I ask about charging the bigger battery My charger says it takes 14 hours. But I just set the battery into the charger. Lining up + -. It doesent click in. Just kind of rests in the charger. Is that ok do u think

[@michaelraso]

Yes, just rests in the charger. A light should light up.

[@monwhooperinvasive8064]

Very cool..thank you..SUBSCRIBED.

[@ProbablyOkay]

The Scoopic is cool, but when are you going to give the Bell and Howell Filmo 70 some love? Still my fave 16mm camera!

[@michaelraso]

Bell and Howell Filmo 70 - don't have one!

[@ryanterk8676]

Can this cam capture sound at all? What’s your recommendation for getting sound? Thanks!

[@michaelraso]

Not a sound camera - no sound capability. Also motor is not crystal sync so any sound recorded separately will be "wild". The dialog recorded for this video was very difficult to sync up - had to adjust every few words.

[@ОльгаШатонова]

Формат Супер 16 мм?

[@FilmPhotographyProject]

Стандарт 16мм

[@2mikelim]

But canon lenses of the day weren't sharp due to lower parameters of resolution in manufacture. This applies to their cine and still cam lenses. Outstanding were angenieux, ektars and switar, the last having so strong color saturation that scenes became unnaturally colored. Nothing beat the sharpness of the fixed 10mm angenieux on kodachrome!

[@dduck1585]

Totally agree, Canon lenses way over rated, very soft when used wide open, applies to the 16mm scoopic and super 8 range of cameras.

[@everythingeverywhere-r1c]

is there any 16mm film cameras that have sound?

[@michaelraso]

Not anymore. Years ago some 16mm News Cameras had the capability of capturing sound on special film that had a magnetic strip on the side. Long gone. (Ditto for Super 8)

[@everythingeverywhere-r1c]

so how do some films use it but have sound they use a tape recorder while filming?

[@michaelraso]

Yes, all movies you see on TV shot on film shoot audio on a separate recorder and sync it up in post-production.

[@dougthompson5305]

The Cinema Products CP-16 used mag stripe film. The Bach Auricon was available in mag or single unilateral optical versions, both with and without the noise reduction shutter. Without the noise reduction shutter, the soundtrack was half black, half clear-ish when no modulation was present. With it, the clear-ish area narrowed to a thin stripe. But the fidelity of the optical sound was mid-fi at best. Here's a link to a demonstration with the noise reduction shutter. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKLTdmiXmqxombs

[@RealSergiob466]

Can you develop motion picture film yourself

[@michaelraso]

I do not but folks do. Do a search on KZbin.

[@iNerdier]

Your zoom is fine, it's just not par-focal.

[@801ruben1]

Actually the lens is parfocal. As pretty much any zoom lens designed for prosumer or professional cinema cameras (real cinema cameras) lenses won't change aperture or focus point while zooming in or out. You don't believe me? read pages 19 and 20 of the user manual of the Scoopic M available for free online. This guys lens needs to be collimated.

[@tyreelindsey2012]

are you willing to sell this camera?

[@michaelraso]

Please send me an e-mail with an offer. [e-mail]

[@hellennjau5634]

Hi Everybody, I just got my Canon Scoopic 16 mm. I am confused with the Hiper Focal Distance. Somebody can help me. I am going to appreciated your comments. Thank you

[@clavdiolizarraga1075]

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