CANONICALLY CRUMB #7 Whiteman: A Story of Civilization in Crisis

It's the first of eventually two parts of our exploration of the seminal Crummyverse character Whiteman. Today we'll look at the comic from ZAP #1 and discuss it's meaning, Crumb's use of offensive black stereotypes, and a bit about his father, Charles Crumb Sr.
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Canonically Crumb #7 Rashomon At Terry Zwigoff's (time-stamped for history of Zap)
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Canonically Crumb #2 Those Cute Little Bearzy Wearzies
• CANONICALLY CRUMB #2 T...
Canonically Crumb #3 Those Ruff Tuff Creampuffs (time-stamped for cartoon posture)
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Canonically Crumb #1 Mr Natural: The Pre-Zap Years (time-stamped for LSD experience)
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[@katsujinkin60]

I'm a Black man, born and raised in The South Bronx, and Robert Crumb was a freaking GENIUS!!! I loved him in the 60s, and I love him now! I'm 72 years old , and Crumb was more honest than most of the White people I have known!

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Thanks for watching!

[@JCJasion]

I'm white GAY and 73. EXACTLY

[@katsujinkin60]

@@JCJasion Congratulations!

[@2Hot2]

Crumb had culturally inherited racism and paranoia/fear of black people like every white man, but the fact that he openly parodies those negative aspects of himself was a very courageous anti-racist course of action.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Mostly I agree. I just finished the first draft edit of an hour long Angelfood McSpade that'll be out in a week or so and I really dive into the muck

[@2Hot2]

@@LittleCozyNostril I'd like to see it. I think Angelfood represents the raw sexuality and jungle-boogie voluptuousness that is the exact opposiite of Whiteman's repressed personality.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

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[@paulmcdonald9592]

The greatest living artist. A gentle soul, incisive, provocative and human.

[@Seaquest112]

A truly insightful, compelling altruistic quiet force, whose solitary talent would prove pivotal in bridging the opposing cultural, pre, and post-Woodstock, 60s generational era.

[@Seaquest112]

-Good one! "too weird to ignore" - I'll use that the next time I'm trying to 'slip something past' someone.

[@eddydiaz2525]

Thank you for this! Years ago I was obsessed with everything & anything Crumb. I wish these videos would have existed back then. You catalog information & analyze Crumb & his work in such a well produced , informative & engaging way. Can I recommend doing an episode on Charles Crumb & his influence in Crumb’s life & work. It all really started with him.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Thanks! I'm really envisioning this series a few years from now as a comprehensive resource for people to explore the Crummy-verse. I'll definitely do a Charles jr. episode, if not several, but I'm finding that I can lay groundwork for future large episodes by looking at smaller ones first. So I don't think I'll get to Charles until I've at least covered the first Fuzzy Bunny comic (which is fairly high up on my list.)

[@petewagner2516]

there's a lot lost on age groups born after the 1960s in terms of irony and sarcasm but your analysis is very worthwhile and you do a great job of presenting your interpretations of what crumb was up to I wish I had the time and energy to try to explain what was going on in the late 1960s-early 1970s in the mass culture that crumb's work was embodying and expressing it's too bad so much of this context has been robbed from subsequent age groups because the progress we were starting to make has been largely undone as a result of the convoluted guilt-based narratives that came in since those years

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I was kind of obsessed with that time period in my early teens. I grew up listening to the Grateful Dead and The Band and taking LSD and peyote. Ultimately it led me further back to the 20s and 30s where a lot of my musical and cultural tastes lay now. I like to think I'm more informed about the 60s and 70s than most millennials, but of course it's necessarily second and third hand. Although I do have the benefit of 50 years of analysis of that period from people who were there and observed it, and I've also read/seen nearly every page that Crumb has published in great detail, so hopefully there's still value in this outsider's opinions. Thanks for watching!

[@ChristopherSobieniak]

​@@LittleCozyNostrilIt really helped me to understand my parents' lives. My mom was part of the Silent Generation while my dad is a Boomer.

[@williamdejeffrio9701]

As a long-term Crumb fan, I applaud this accurate documentary...

[@LittleCozyNostril]

As well I applaud your impeccable taste in KZbin videos, sir!

[@brianlawhon2924]

I loved my R.Crumb comics, greeting cards, posters, I lived in a world much like American Splendor. Life is beautiful.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Very cool!

[@HansRickheit]

Zap Comics #1 was my introduction to Crumb's comics. I bought it at a comic convention int the 80's when I was 13 years old. I was confused by what those pages contained - I'd never seen ANYTHING like them before. I'm not sure what I was expecting, but it made a deep impression on me - more than any of Crumb's work I would later encounter. I'd already been drawing and even self-publishing my own mini-comics for a couple of years at the time, but my approach to drawing comics changed dramatically after being exposed to that one comic book. (It would still take 30 years before I ever got the courage to finally try hallucinogens...)

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I was pretty straight-laced at 13, but I had wanted to take acid since I was 10 or 11 and listening to the Doors. When I was 12 I got caught with a book called Magic, Mysticism, and LSD. I didn't get my hands on any Crumb till I was 19.

[@caucasoidape8838]

I'm terrified of losing my grip on reality, being in a nightmare that I can't wake up from.

[@Tyler_Solomon]

Great analysis. Was looking for someone to touch upon Crumb's use of black people racial stereotypes in his work. Have to sub now! 😂

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Thanks for the sub. Obviously my opinion on the matter is only one of many, but I'll delve deeper into the muck as the series continues

[@Tyler_Solomon]

@@LittleCozyNostril I need to find a video clip on KZbin where Crumb in essence explained his "racist" caricatures and being disappointed that some black people that he thought would understand the art and intent, didn't see it that way. Almost seemed he was hurt that people would think he could be capable of being a racist bigot. That's what I thought he meant.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

@@Tyler_Solomon He's said similar things in a few interviews. I think one of the ones on @thelouisianachannel touch on that.

[@MalcolmMontgomery-hs3ck]

Your reference to "blackface" Trudeau was brilliant!

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Yeah, he's a dink.

[@Bobbyboy-i3z]

I can't believe it!!! White Man!! My friend and I were just talking about this!! Oh I'm so em bare assed !! 😅. There was another one, Crumb also. Brinky I believe. Hair on the soap. Can't be me, oh no sis!!😅😅

[@LittleCozyNostril]

We like to provide inexplicable moments of kismet here at Canonically Crumb

[@Rhysling2]

This is possibly the best documentary I’ve seen on KZbin. Thank you. And looking forward to seeing all your other stuff.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Thanks!

[@cattycorner8]

Like Frank Zappa, nothing was sacred or safe from Crumb's pointy poison pen

[@62Cristoforo]

This shit opened my eyes, as a young man coming to grips with my foray into society at large. Zap, Snoid, Hup, Weirdo, Zippy. I even made a kind of pilgrimage to Rip Off Press HQ in San Fran in the late 80’s/early 90’s, just as depicted on the back of some forgotten issue.

[@cattycorner8]

And of course Mr Natural

[@waltgzerod5565]

Crumb is one of America's TRUE Heroes & Talents!!

[@noamsteinerman]

indeed

[@samseveryoneenglish2275]

Fantastic work mate. Greetings from Singapore

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Thanks!

[@adamweilergurarye5422]

Thank you very much, an amazing program

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Thanks! Hopefully I'll finally get some time in May for a new episode! If you dig MAD Magazine you also might like my podcast @podrzebie

[@zora_noamflannery2548]

Crumb and Steadman, two of the greats.

[@ys11-s4f]

Keep up the great work...R CRUMB and his art must never die...

[@rossriver75yukon27]

But he’s got to do some art on the woke lunatics of today! Please.

[@conniesambrook]

R. Crumb. Absolute genius. He was not even a little racist. He merely exploited inherent racism. Crumb didn't care personaly. But he used it to his favor.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

He was a little racist. I think it does his work a disservice to pretend otherwise. What's cool about Crumb is that he explored his latent racism and misogyny in his work, and grew as a person. That's why you don't see the same kinds of racist imagery in his art later on; it didn't serve the same purpose anymore; his attitude evolved and the value of such imagery had diminished. To deny this is, I think, to have a superficial and shallow understanding of one of the greatest artists of our age.

[@nedludd7622]

The host doesn't seem to get it and judges by today standards. Crumb takes swipes at everyone. It would be racist to make an exception. Of course he was not there at the time, as I was. He is just expressing his uninformed prejudices. Welcome to his PC.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

What are you talking about? I literally spent nearly half the video examining the comic in its historical context. Did you even watch it?

[@patchchrist]

This guy lost me when he started crying the predictable SJW dog whistle of "that's REEEcist!". Crumb was calling out ALL stereotypes in his cartoons. This KZbin lost the plot at 9:07 mark.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

@@patchchrist I spent the next three minutes of the video basically talking about how Crumb isn't racist, you boob.

[@ChristopherSobieniak]

12:05 This was how I saw my mom, my dad not so much, but it certainky stuck around in the 80's with being told we couldn't go somewhere because it was "color town".

[@cattycorner8]

The two two things I remember most about the film Crumb are his aesthetic brother passing a string and R drawing a quick caricature of a guy in a restaurant. I love seeing him up close and personal. I wonder what happened to his daughter. I was kind of worried about her when they moved to France.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

All of this is answered in other episodes of the show

[@unclenogbad1509]

Thanks for this (edit - and your whole series). Crumb, whom I admire 'this side idolatry', never seems to have had his due, either for his style, content or influence (which I can see all over the place). He's held as almost a dark secret kept in a closed section of the art and media worlds. Unfairly. Yes, his racist and misogynistic visuals are problematic today, but have their context. He was depicting things from the viewpoint of the complacent white America that he grew up in, and beneath which he could see the falsehoods and prejudices on which it was built. His crime was to actually depict those, for which he used the same imagery that elsewhere kept those prejudices firmly in place - naiively in much of his earliest work, but more sophisticatedly as he went on. This is the simplified version, but essentially the visuals show the stereotyped image, but their dialogue is more relevant and incisive than the equally stereotyped white characters. Satire can be done loud, brash and funny (cf SNL) without ever threatening Society's norms. Crumb launches painful and devastating attacks on those norms in a quiet and intelligent manner. Sidelined? Maybe forcing people to think about things instead of just laughing at them while reassuring yourself that you're not 'one of those', is what puts him beyond the pale, as it were.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I agree except for the idea that his transgressive use of racist caricatures became more sophisticated. I think if anything the reverse is true.

[@tommylakindasorta3068]

Good analysis. I'm getting on this ride.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Strap yerself in, buddy!

[@ubetchastudios357]

turns out the anti-communist "hysteria" was justified

[@LittleCozyNostril]

How do you figure?

[@petewagner2516]

great job

[@cattycorner8]

His favorite music was the very first jazz-blues orchestras and bands like King Oliver. Of course they were mostly Black.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I think this is an oversimplification. Of course he does love 1920s and 30s jazz, but he also loves blues, country, jug bands, novelty, Hawaiian, etc. from the period as well. It's worth checking out John Hennigan's Old Time Radio Show online where Crumb is a frequent guest showcasing his collection of 78s including bizarre stuff like French, Turkish, and all other kinds of ethnic records from the period and into the early 50s. To your point about so many of these performers being black, again I broadly agree, but I don't think that absolves Crumb of the accusations of racism. I'm not trying to be judgemental or anything, clearly I'm a huge Crumb fan, I just find his work more interesting when grappling with his work honestly.

[@lestoil]

As always, great observations here. Although I’m not sure if it was wise of you to compare the horrendous devastation of racism and the deep regret and shame of those responsible for it with their regret for jello supper entries. Even if you try and explain your reason of their relevances with each other it still, ultimately, looks as if you’re comparing the death, despair and oppression that racism is responsible for with jello.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I stand by the analogy

[@DS-nv8bi]

perhaps he shows the ugly truth of american society

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Yeah, I more or less agree. Although I think what is especially neat about Crumb is that he's not merely observing phenomenon and portraying it satirically ( although there is some of that too,) he's actually channeling a lot of it from inside himself and portraying the aspects that he's internalized.

[@DS-nv8bi]

@@LittleCozyNostril as a self-portrait, i can see that he faired better than his brothers in mental stability by cartooning would you say?

[@LittleCozyNostril]

@@DS-nv8bi Since one brother lived with his mom for decades and then killed himself, while the other is a sex offender that lives in a rooming house, I think that you are undeniably correct.

[@gibbogle]

It's more like the ugly/crazy/silly/beautiful/... truth of human beings.

[@JCJasion]

Interesting that you should showcase 1932-34 Claude Hopkins sides as part of your musical background.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I'm an enigma!

[@gibbogle]

There is one word that sums up Crumb - genius.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

"Big-ass" also applies if you include the hyphen

[@danielking5670]

Well done!👍🏻

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Thanks!

[@timbryant2259]

Poor Whiteman! Remember that Crumb's father had really bloody True Detective magazines hidden away? That's something that's maybe weirder than ordinary pornography. I read a statement by Robert recently where he went on and on and on about all the things he hated; I was surprised that he hated so much stuff and likely had a lot of ANGER that he often kept hidden under his soft, easy-go-peasy persona - yuk yuk yuk. Maybe he got some f that from his dad. Oh, I'm kind of getting what you said to me about the collective unconscious being the collective unconscious or culture of the 20s - 30s - 40s, right? When I was a kid, I watched a lot of Betty Boop and Popeye and other similar toons, and some of the characters popped up in my brain during the coming-down period after the main LSD trips of my college days, just as they did in Crumb's brain (I'm some years younger than him, so he likely would have seen more than I did). I call all that crazy, hyper but low-energy stuff "the lower astral," a term from my hippie days. ("The astral plane is often divided into different levels or layers, with the "lower astral" being associated with more negative or chaotic energies." Or more emotionally charged.) Good point about "airing our parents' dirty laundry." That's good psychological commentary or terminology. Ya know, you say Crumb got rid of the Black stereotype after a while, but wasn't Willie Mae Jackson - who's depicted very naturally - just a continuation of Angelfood McSpade? (BTW, Willie Mae is an extremely hot depiction of a sexy Black gal.) Hey, this is pretty good stuff you're putting out and layin' down. Crumb's dad certainly had a shit-eating grin on his professional face, much like Trump at Arlington Cemetery.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I think there's a difference between the underlying racism between Crumb's blackface stereotypes and his more naturalistic depictions, especially when they're highly sexualized like Wille Mae who you referenced (that's a deep cut.) But there's a lot of cross-over off course too. I left a lot of those depictions out of my Angelfood episode because I wanted to focus on the history of cartoon stereotypes. Crumb didn't really ease off of the blackface stereotypes until the end of the 70s. If you want to know more about Charles Sr, Crumb's dad, it's worth tracking down a copy of You and Your Big Mouth.

[@emmettmarrujo5075]

I worked at one of the shops on Haight the House of Richard, and Crumb came in selling his comix. The owner declined but only because of a previous obscenity bust for a Mime Troupe Poster of a daisy chain. There is a Crumb comix where he talks about drug use in the Haight and he does a drawing of A girl high on acid in a dirty t shirt and even dirtier feet, swinging on a lamp post, well I was standing next to Crumb when this happened we looked at each other and shrugged. This happened in front of Singer TV where my mother worked.. the girl was known as Pavement Princess and hopefully is some one grandmother now..

[@LittleCozyNostril]

That comic is from Weirdo in the 80s, It's called I Remember the Sixties. He actually drew a few other girls in various comics over the years that seemed to be inspired by her. He calls her Gingerbread Princess... but maybe she had a less nice name too.

[@Davidbirdman101]

I found out about crumb in the early 70s, I think he was one of the most honest artists I've seen. Crumb drew reality, lots of people don't like reality, even today. Just look at what passes for entertainment and news. It's not reality. Crumb wouldn't survive today.

[@if6was929]

I can't speak for everyone in the counterculture but I never met a freak who was truly racist. We all read Zap comix, at least the guys did and while we might have laughed at some of the obvious racist and misogynist content we weren't choking with laughter. The involuntary response to some of Crumb's characterizations was stifled by guilt and it forced me (us?) to consider why such tropes were automatically funny. Laughing at Angelfood McSpade made me feel embarrassed. But many things in Zap were meant to ridicule the customs and conventions which were instilled in us by the previous generations as well as the foibles and hypocrisies within the counterculture. The zeitgeist is always manipulating us, it requires constant diligence to be aware of this manipulation if we want to hold on to the virtues which we find to be honorable.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I've definitely encountered some very racist and misogynist baby boomers who grew up reading Crumb. To what degree they were actually in the counterculture is another question. But I do think that's the minority and that you're right, the vast majority are mostly not racist or misogynist and understand the satirical nuance in Crumb's work. Of course we all have some deep seeded cultural prejudices and we're probably all a little racist in ways that we don't necessarily perceive. Thanks for watching!

[@cassandraunheeded]

I have his version of the Bible. Love it.

[@prschuster]

I've always wondered whether Crumb's racial stereotypes were meant to be ironic or whether he really was still caught up in racist imagery himself.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I'm working on the Angelfood McSpade episode and the answer is complicated. Clearly he was employing irony and satirizing racism in America, as well as honestly grappling his own culturally inherited racism (he grew up in a state that only removed their anti-miscegenation laws around the same time this comic was made.) But as he went on through the 70s I think he began to revel in the imagery a bit much, and was mostly just pissing people off for fun.

[@prschuster]

@@LittleCozyNostril Thank you

[@bozoclown2098]

Interesting. So much to say and so much can not be said

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I'm not sure what can't be said? I did want to touch on White Man, the literal white supremacist superhero from neo-nazi propaganda zines, but I never got around to it.

[@rkrw576]

Like all great satire, you laugh but if you think about it, it's deeply disturbing because it goes to the heart of our hypocrisies and unconscious fears. Crumb's portrayal of blacks, women, and Jews makes me uncomfortable while I chuckle.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

That's a great point. The reader is implicated in Crumb's transgressions which adds a disturbing and uncomfortable dimension to his work. Reminds me of Makode Linde's anti-racist blackface cake performance from about 10 years ago that resulted in calls for the Swedish cultural minister's resignation.

[@NathanTarantlawriter]

Rising above the in-bred cultural bias that everyone gets in one way or another shows a mature and flexible intellect. Crumb was a master of being able to put his wit on paper in a way that is accessible by millions.

[@cattycorner8]

Lil Cozy, You have almost reached the promise land of TRUTH. You need to de-Howard Zinn your understanding of America's history and self-image first, though. I don't think Crumb is as unAmerican as you think or as you are.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

You should hear the self-identified communist Robert Crumb talk about America!

[@TestUser-cf4wj]

Gee, I'd sure like to have some of that postwar prosperity. As a white, cis-het male, living in an anglo-Christian dominated culture, I could really get into it, too. Yes sir, an economy designed to exclusively further my goals suits me just fine!

[@LittleCozyNostril]

You would of loved Germany in the mid-1930s then; they REALLY knew how to make a white man feel appreciated.

[@ezwages]

Whiteman relates to MAGA surely

[@LittleCozyNostril]

At the time of publication no, but I think there are some similarities. I make a subtle comparison to the January 6th capital storming event in my Ruff Tuff Creampuff episode, and I think the Creampuff has some similarities to White man as well.

[@yukonjack2891]

should have included some images of that Vince Mcmahon - Minstrel Show: The New Day.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I haven't really paid attention to wrestling since about 2000

[@tombouie]

You're quite the impressive historian

[@rangersoldat]

Goin to Heaven on a Mule

[@guymichel101]

Yas yas, right fkn on,. And very perceptive. Thank you! Your name's weird, though. Oh well, you pick and choose.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

What name is weird? Kyle Bridgett, Little Cozy Nostril, or Canonically Crumb? In all fairness I'm only responsible for two out of three of those.

[@bluetopguitar1104]

Relevant still. Except the consumers don't have money for the consumer economy. I grew up in the 60s, saw the last of boomer good times as it ran out later on.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

The neoliberal turn really screwed everyone. I grew up in the 80s and 90s in an area where most families were still supported by one parent working a union job in manufacturing with a house and two cars. Even most of the families on welfare owned a shitty house and a shitty car. By the early 2000s that kind of lifestyle was disappearing and now it's completely gone.

[@mmatchinsky]

To use a stereotype in a short-form media is a quick way to introduce a character. It's still done, all the time. To use an exaggerated stereotype is to show how stupid the stereotype is. It rubs your face in racism so you can't deny it.

[@mmatchinsky]

But let Bob's art speak for itself. Quit trying to guess how racist he might be.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

That's not really what we're doing here though. This show is about exploring the comix and characters of the Crummy-verse, and doing a deep dive into the historical, personal, and canonical context.

[@SubTroppo]

I'm hoping that you're later productions have betters audio; I'm just about to click on your latest; hope you are prepared: here goes...

[@LittleCozyNostril]

The audio does improve

[@libre-tad6283]

He's a visual artist, who struggled with stories so gave us the content of his inner life for better or worse as what might pass as such I like his drawing but all the text is filler to me The problem is its self absorbed to an extreme few other artists show on that sliding scale.. thankfully I think it's reportage, not really what I look for in escapism but is inevitable in culture from Disney to Dickens So anyway it's 20-20 hindsight pretty much, he's old, maybe at last Crumb has matured to deliver reportage without comix sleaze, sculpture apart

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I half agree. I think he's quite good at pithy humorous dialogue, and there's a distinct rhythm to his text that flows very naturally to me. Often I'll read it out loud and I find that sometimes reveals a thing I missed. For such a visual artist he actually uses A LOT of text. I agree he's not great for escapism, and it can take a lot of you to drudge waste deep through heavy Crumb. I like it, and I find a certain charm to that 'comix sleaze' (as you put it.) It's part of that late 60s/early 70s of artistic expression that wasn't so hung up on entertaining. It was about self-exploration and the idea of artist as auteur. His later period and current work exhibits greater technical ability, which I also revel in for a different reason, but I think it lacks spontaneity and the ecstatic vision of his earlier work. It's always been confessional, in a surreal sense, but I think even he didn't realize what he was confessing at the time in his early work.

[@libre-tad6283]

@@LittleCozyNostril thanks, I enjoy the sleaze too, I do like his work among comics artists, there's no doubt he has superb talent which is what counts We get a lot of bang for our buck I was trying to work out what bothers me with it, maybe a bit too critical though I enjoy your work, thanks

[@LittleCozyNostril]

@@libre-tad6283 Hey thanks! It's hard to talk about Crumb's work because it spans 7 decades and changed a lot over time. I think you did raise some good points!

[@bozoclown2098]

interior and exterior Karen(s).

[@HenriettaHudson-we4wv]

COMING SOON TO PBS: WHITEMAN: THE DONALD J. TRUMP STORY BY R. CRUMB!!!

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Crumb actually has done two Donald Trump comics. The first one was in HUP around '89 and Crumb had two women shove Trump's head in a toilet. The second was a Dirty Laundry comic with his late wife Aline where they basically talked about what a schmuck they thought he was. I'll probably do an episode on those if he makes it to the election.

[@cha5]

@@LittleCozyNostrilI always wish Crumb would have a follow up to his Hup Trump story.

[@lordmortos979]

2:30 you lost me.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Well, not every bit of media can flatter your bias perfectly I guess

[@robertnorton8519]

When

[@LittleCozyNostril]

1967 or 1968 depending on how you look at it.

[@robertnorton8519]

@Little Cozy Nostril good answer lol

[@bozoclown2098]

The insane wife. Wonder why ????

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Diet pills that were basically speed

[@Seaquest112]

Are your use of such terms as, "transgressive" and, "Freudian" an attempt to exempt yourself from the social stigma of perpetuating, "violent, misogynistic, pornographic imagery, or merely a standardized, precautionary warning, with no further dedications? - Thank you.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I try to address most of that stuff in the episodes too, so I'm not trying to exempt myself. Also Crumb's work is transgressive and Freudian so that part is apt. My attitude is that people shouldn't have to be blindsided by the kind of imagery that is inherent in discussing Crumb, which might be offensive to them. So I give a warning... even though some people get mad that I give a warning at all.

[@joecasey7415]

Freudian?

[@LittleCozyNostril]

In relation to what?

[@TomJones-op9nj]

Oh cool …you …said something that was non binary….stunning and brave…… ala bravo!

[@LittleCozyNostril]

What term would you have used?

[@TomJones-op9nj]

@@LittleCozyNostril not sure what you are asking ….I used whatever term I used …duh

[@LittleCozyNostril]

@@TomJones-op9njYou didn't use any words in this case because you didn't make the video. My question is, what word or term would you have preferred to "not some binary?" You seem to object to the phrase.

[@TomJones-op9nj]

@@LittleCozyNostril oh……well in that case ….I find the phrase “non binary” to be over used ….incorrectly used …tired and cliche….but I love Crumb …sad about his brother though ..peace out LN

[@LittleCozyNostril]

@@TomJones-op9nj I believe I said "not some binary..." but I would love to hear what word you'd suggest to describe when something either is or isn't (or in this case when something isn't is or isn't.) I'm not being facetious, I'm honestly curious.

[@pattyandbustershow1031]

Love crumb but...

[@LittleCozyNostril]

*butt

[@disco0752]

Too weird for me.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

It only gets weirder from here!

[@nedludd7622]

Maybe you mentioned them somewhere, but you seem not to know about "Snatch" Comics. Overall, your presentation reminds me of highfalutin' academic theory with no real understanding of life on the ground.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Check out the episode about my Crumb collection. I've read and own some version of pretty much everything Crumb has ever done including Snatch ( which is reprinted in volume 5 and 6 of The Complete Crumb.) I just don't happen to name every single comic that Crumb ever made in every single episode. If you want to criticize me for being too high falutin' and not rootin' tootin' enough, that's fine. But please don't accuse me of not being aware of one of the most famous underground comic series of all time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKbGe4iIg8aMfpYsi=Xxp9F9Vr24uUMUm8

[@FoolAndHisMoney23]

all blah blah blah and very little Crumb

[@LittleCozyNostril]

Yeah, it's a video essay, dingus

[@oscarvalencia6552]

I like crumbs art work. I do understand exploring one’s mind and trying to express it through art, but I kinda feel he crosses the line. I do feel there’s a racist in him. He feels too free using the “N” word. Maybe I just don’t get his “Satire”. It’s off putting. There’s certain things that are hard to play with.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I think he crosses the line too, but not in this comic. And to his credit he moves away from these depictions and words. I think I lay my position out pretty well in the video, but is worth noting that using the N word in 1967 in a comic doesn't have the same connotation as it does in the 90s let alone today.

[@bobweiram6321]

Crumb was a racist. Period. He tried to brush it off as satire, but it just didn't work. Case in point, his comics are widely used in white supremacist literature. Even if he claims to have been horrified by it, he knew how deep racism is in the United States and how his work would be interpreted. There are plenty of other very talented and insightful comics who didn't dehumanize others..

[@LittleCozyNostril]

I politely disagree. I think your take is uncharitable and lacking historical context. Clearly Crumb's work, especially his early work like this one, is satirical and it's commenting on social perceptions and injustice (amongst other things.) In my opinion, it's not an artist's job to create work that's sanitary in order to avoid misunderstanding and misappropriation by the stupid and hateful masses. The fact is that sometimes art ain't pretty and, if you're true to yourself as an artist, you've got to put it out there anyway, regardless of the consequences. I do think he rather quickly lost the thread with the blackface stereotypes, and I think some of his comics missed the mark and fell flat...outright failed even. But artists should be able to make mistakes, even hurtful ones, and I also think we should talk about them. Which is partially the purpose of this program. It should be noted that Crumb wasn't exactly making mainstream prime time sitcoms. He was making underground comics, ostensibly a new medium, at a time when total artistic freedom and pure expression was celebrated and every social norm and taboo was being challenged. That's very different from today where comics have the benefit of 70 years of discourse since the undergrounds and where expression is shunned in favour of didacticism. I've taken care to include a warning at the beginning of each episode so that people who don't want to see this stuff don't have to. If you're one who doesn't enjoy their sensibilities challenged, there are plenty of other very well-made and insightful KZbin shows that won't do that.

[@steveread4021]

It would be better if it was in focus!

[@LittleCozyNostril]

What was out of focus? KZbin changed the default setting on vids to a low res, but the vid itself is 1080p. If you hit the little sprocket symbol you can select HD.

[@steveread4021]

@@LittleCozyNostril Thanks. I tried to set it to HD, but KZbin wouldn't let me.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

​@@steveread4021Are you watching on your phone? I seem to be having a similar problem. On my computer hd is available.

[@steveread4021]

@@LittleCozyNostril No, I'm watching on my brand new galaxy tab. Thanks for the interest.

[@LittleCozyNostril]

​@@steveread4021Well, I appreciate the feedback. I'm trying to get in touch with KZbin. This particular video seems to be acting funny on KZbin's end. I can watch it on any computer fine. None of my other videos are doing this.

[@bozoclown2098]

A idea to be tested. New prisons : a room with video camera ,microphone, live audience to others or give to cells . Or other innovative idea . Rotating to each of 1hour..Caveat : no parole .broadcast to/for search of self.