Canto 5 Is A Story Everyone Needs To Hear | Limbus Company

[@CandleBite]

Before - we were in LoR, destroying dreams with the homies, now we're in Limbus, charting our homies' dreams

[@Lemon-fj8zy]

Except in the first canto

[@mangocookie4790]

​@@Lemon-fj8zyand the second

[@mangocookie4790]

​@@masterofclowningokay, cold take

[@georgelongcoal1117]

And destroying dreams. Ahab's😂

[@SleeplessBrazilLimbo]

we facin the sins and savin the ego with this one

[@RoseAltro]

Though the funny thing of all this? Ishmael still got her revenge against Ahab. Not by killing Ahab, but by screwing Ahab over in the one way it mattered. Taking away Ahab's obsession.

[@mislavkrznaric1635]

I think this is the reason the Ambling Pearl is like a near direct representation of Ahab (not just her obsession). The gunk represents all her poisonous words she spreads and seemingly reabsorbs for even herself to believe to some degree, desperately protecting her pearl (killing the Whale) while everything else slides off her tough outer shell.

[@HelterwithoutSkelter]

​@@mislavkrznaric1635 skin prophet jumpscare

[@apollyonnoctis1291]

If anything, it was a far better revenge since she literally broke Ahab’s soul by doing that.

[@apollyonnoctis1291]

@@mislavkrznaric1635and when you take its pearl away, it wounds it. It tries making a replacement, but the replacement will never be the same.

[@ClockLock]

I am fucking obsessed with the symbolism in this chapter. I gasped when I saw Ahab's silhouette before the fight-- it looked like an anatomical heart, and her shoulder was the aorta. The first major arteries that branch off the aorta are the brachiocephalic, the largest one that represents Queequeg, the left carotid, where Starbuck sits, and the left subclavian, where Pip sits. I was fucking SHOOK.

[@mohamadparadox2453]

yeah i just noticed the gasharpoon on ahab's shoulder had the damn faces of each

[@GlueEater-ix9gl]

I think one of the biggest visual ties between ahab and ishy is their hair I find that detail really interesting, especially the fact ishy had short hair in her youth and her hair grew to become almost like ahab as she was consumed by obsession

[@melmellow3451]

Yeah, one of her mate said that she used to hate long hair. Now look at her, she really is turning into ahab xd.

[@MacMens0100]

If heath ends up giving the hair coupons to her i think i'll collapse on the spot

[@raiden2901]

​@@MacMens0100ishmacliff pairing time

[@l-DrFizz-l]

I like to think that she didnt grow her hair out because of Ahab, she grew it because Queequeg liked her sunset colored hair

[@aleph_d]

I think the other parallel is that Ishmael's Hair reminds of a smooth (low-tide) sunset; while Ahab's hair reminds of a wavy/curly (high-tide) cloud

[@Dememenic]

I've said this in DMs but a detail what I've noticed with this Canto is how Pilot actually tied into the story. His role wasn't 100% throwaway as his relationship with the LCCB parallels Ahab's relationship with The Pequod Crew. He is literally trained by the LCCB that scouting out the golden boughs is a job and mission that is worth dying for, and they should take pride on the sacrifices made to recover it. Pilot being the last alive member of his team and victim to the Whale perfectly mirrors Ishmael's situation as well. It's such a clever detail and writing how Pilot literally lays the foundation for the plot and themes of Canto 5

[@cayoticsgaming2328]

That makes me wonder what if Pilot returns but with Ishmaels old personality after finding out fully that yea his team is gone, there is no hope for him to see them again, would be interesting though I do also like the idea of pilot staying the same and instead finding his own different meaning either sticking with he whole club motto on sacrifice or finding his own meaning in life and growing in the background like I am sure Saude will sow back up different after finding out she is alive

[@Ultra_DuDu]

My main takeaway with Pilot is his name. I really wonder how he will tie in with Demian.

[@Dememenic]

@@cayoticsgaming2328Pilot is and will always be just a grunt for the LCCB. It's likely the next time we see him, he'll be dead.

[@hellatze]

smart

[@alexanderlloydmendoza979]

​@@DememenicHe could also be the replacement contact for lcb since he survived and also works under saude who used to be the go to contact for lcb but now has a higher ranking so shes not doing field work anymore

[@burgerpolice1193]

This is my favorite chapter, not just for ishmeal, not just for dante, but also for heathcliff, it's subtle, but if you look, you'll see he fully cares about the sinners, when dante gets stabbed by ishmael, he asks dante if he's OK, then when dante says the clocks fine he specifies he ment him, and he helps ishmael out of the palid, even if he fights with her a lot, it shows he's not just a violent person, but someone a bit sharp around the edges, and he actually has a hidden love for some of the people around him, how they managed to fill a chapter with so much growth is pretty crazy

[@scruffles3838]

Even in canto 4 its pretty obvious that he's a massive softy for his fellow Sinners. He's basically a kicked puppy

[@RenoKyrie]

​@@scruffles3838Dont forget Canto 3 where he specificly say that while he likes calling Dante as "Clockhead" he doesnt like the idea of Kromer's N Corp treating Dante as a litteral object and not a Human being And even in Canto 5 we see Heathcliff despite constantly hate on Don before, hes also the comforting her with the fate on Lobotomy Corp branch in U Corp And its honestly would be sad if Heathcliff never see himself as a good person because majority of his life hes treated like he is evil(Like in his Book), but in reality Heathcliff is the most GENUINELY good person He is harsh yes but its uncanny how despite Heath being the brute he is, hes the one who can see goodness in people and act like one when needed

[@malleuslimbus]

I absolutely love how Ahab at first didn't care at all during the final fight that Ishmael was going to be the one to kill the whale after the fight was over, because if Ishy did get her revenge at the end she'd be no different from Ahab, so "Captain Ahab" would still have killed the whale She only freaks out when Ishmael lets go of her revenge and frees both of them from their obsession, because they were no longer one and the same. God, the symbolism behind GasHarpoon is so perfect

[@MalganisLefay]

I would say it goes even a step deeper with Ahabs ramblings afterwards. In a sense with her act of defiance trying to free them both, Ish avoided becoming the new Aheb, but doing so, she took everything from Ahab, just like the whale did before and thus, effectively claiming the role/title of the pale whale for herself instead in this story.

[@thomaswang2223]

The way I saw it was that even after ahab’s death, Ishmael would’ve been an extension of her, one of her tools.

[@NMC213]

one of the things I like the most about this Canto, is how unlike Roland's story of revenge ended in letting go and forgiving, here Ish actually fulfilled her revenge, but in her own terms, instead of following Ahab's command of killing her, Ish's whale, she killed Ahab's whale, voiding the Captain's entire purpose of living even in Compass, the lyrics kinda reflect that decision, going from "I cursed this relationship between you and me" to "I pierced trough the rope that strangled you and me", this with the context given by Queequeg about that time Ishmael was reborn and how she views their relationship in the present "the rope snaped, I buried you". Ishmael this time cut the rope on her own volition and with that she took her revenge in a way more powerful than giving in to Ahab's madness, becoming Ahab 2.0 in the process

[@mightaswell]

Although in a way I do find it to be revenge, I do think Ishmael mainly did it because she learned to move on, it wasn’t entirely to spite Ahab, as the lyrics say, she merely pierced the rope that strangled them, and while she has a compass, ahab has none. Despite being the ultimate victory over Ahab, Ahab still has a chance to find her own compass and give this up, as Ishmael let her live(we all know Ahab won’t be able to do this, but still). Either way it is still somewhat of a revenge but Ishmael does it because she lets her obsession go, as its whats best for her, rather than doing it just because its a form of revenge on her own terms, wether Ahab finds her own compass or continues further down her obsession and eventually dies for it is something that doesn’t concern Ishmael

[@LimaBr_]

in a way shes still like roland, ishmael at the end learn to live with her own choices and began to care for the sinners, like roland began to live for himself and not for revenge of what happened to angelica, and care for angela at the point of getting her out of the light in a selfish way so she could stay alive

[@pbyn153]

“This is going to be a bumpy voyage. Everyone, hold on to something!” The timing on that Mili song goes hard as f*ck

[@moistcrusader2026]

MY COMPASS IS CURIOSITY 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🧭🧭🧭

[@Aeon_Productions]

I think what helps solidify the Canto's symbolism even more is the rope you get at the beginning of the dungeon At first its a noose, something well associated with self destruction, but over time you get parts of the rope, the ties that can bind Ishmael, until she finally manages to tie herself to a compass that can truly guide her

[@Tsunul]

I never noticed that, that's absolutely goated.

[@aidenrichardson6439]

@@Tsunulwhat’s song is playing at 10:45-11:42

[@Tsunul]

@@aidenrichardson6439 Witch's Heart OST - Dreaming Of Patricia

[@aidenrichardson6439]

⁠@@Tsunulth-thank you, first time I’ve seen someone reply in a 9 seconds.

[@hellatze]

it become rope for you to climb to salvation

[@tetsmega]

I absolutely loved the symbolism of the rope this entire chapter. Its so basic but so powerful

[@onesdemise1122]

Ishmael falling for Ahab's lies and even nearly getting consumed by her EGO was such a great moment. Ishmael at one point even completely believed Ahab in Pequod Town. Truly a blind obsession. Also seeing the moment you made with Ishmael and Ahab was really cool.

[@Oblivius33]

One must also bow their head to the voice actress. I don't speak Korean one bulit. But i could feel every single emotions of Ishmael. This also makes canto 5 slightly easier to follow then canto 4. Not because of Yi Sang voice actor, but because of the story tone and more poetic approach. Also I bet there was some poetry or reference to the Korean language we simply can't catch with the language barrier.

[@ClockLock]

There are a few, such as the symbolism behind the farmwatch and its history in Korean culture. But I don't think a lot was lost! I'm still struggling to figure out if I like Canto IV or V more, they're both so beautiful.

[@CBRN-115]

You don't need to understand Korean to appreciate her acting skills The trembles in her voice, the harsh spite filled growl, it's all perfect. Korean VAs are just magnificent

[@dracospikex2678]

I really like Heathcliff, his character is amazing fr fr. From the anger defense mechanism to how much he really does care about the rest of the sinners.

[@RenoKyrie]

He pick harsh words because its the truth of what everyone is seeing and how the city work But despite everything, Heathcliff actually show genuine care for everyone He may beat Sinclair up multiple times but when seeing what he actually went through and how he himself doesnt know having murder potential, he felt really bad for him and wished to help Sinclair get through his problem properly He HATES Don for good reasons but hes also the one comforting her over what happened at the Pallidfied L corp branch He calls Dante "Clockhead" but only because its funny then gets really mad that N Corp treated Dante as a Object and not a Human being And of course, all his scene with Ishmael in Canto 5 is self explanatory I would genuinely be sad if Canto 6 will be how Heathcliff never see himself as a good person because his adopted families(Except his Step Dad and Cathy for most of the time) treat him like he is Evil and cant be good DESPITE showing that he is the most genuinely good person

[@solairefan5420]

​@@RenoKyrieBig and will be bad wolf

[@bobsaget9188]

Late but I really liked it because in Wuthering Heights where Heathcliff is from, he is also someone obsessed with revenge but I see everyone else's points as well

[@LimaBr_]

@@RenoKyrie yo wut u think of canto 6 now

[@l-DrFizz-l]

This chapter made me cry out of happiness, AND THE FAULT LIES ENTIRELY WITH ISHMAEL

[@notmitsukiyolol]

WE ALL DIED FROM HAPPINESS, AND THE FAULT LIES WITH ISHMAEL ONCE AGAIN!

[@uvickymcbread434]

my penis lies within Ishmael

[@pablorodriguezromero3669]

Honestly, Ishma's obsession growing disturbingly similar to Ahab is entirely true, but one particular detail is the one that unnerves me the most. So we know that each Sinner has a room in the Bus based around them like an E.G.O. type deal, even if we have yet to see them, well I always had this head cannon that their rooms are exactly like their art depicted from their E.G.O. (as in their personal ones, not the Abno ones they can use), but part of me always had reservations about that head cannon, mostly 'cause at least half of the sinners looked haunted, disturbed and/or uncomfortable in the art so I thought "surely at least their rooms would allow them to sleep well, right?" And the most glaring one for me (aside from others) was Ishma's, mostly 'cause if my head cannon was in effect then that'd mean she was constantly drowning in her own room, no amount of sleep/rest to be had. I thought that no other detail could unnerve me like that one, and the Ahab did the same but somehow *Worse*, and seeing those paralels made understand just how long and deep this obsesion had been driving Ishma, and how much it'd change her if she managed to see it through the end.

[@touchgrass7129]

Each Dinner

[@JannetFenix]

There is one more piece to Ishmael's agony: realization. Even if somewhere along the way she noticed how she's being controlled by Ahab, who is able to bear the pain of cutting off a part of their life so gargantuan it became integral with your own identity? Who is ready to do whats not unlike slicing off your own hand or leg? To face it is terrifying, too terrifying to bear. Obe would rather see the decay to the end. Also, i think ishmaels issues were visible before, but until 4.5 we only saw symptomes: her NEEDING dante to be someone to know where he's going. Im also convinced ishy wanted to put out going to U corp for two reasons, both subconscious. A) in her heart she is a compassionate person, shielding others from harm, albeit wont admit it, and B) when quest for her "whale" will be over, so will be the last thing she looks forward in her life. And finally, "Do you think the whales are lonely, and thats why they reshape others into their likeness?"

[@AzureBlazes]

The more as this story goes, the more I feel Limbus Company is going to continue tackling stories that are quite down to earth, despite taking place in the City. Heath's chapter might be about the toxicity of certain relationships and how that goes, so I'm pretty excited to see that. Also, if you didn't know, Ishmael's icon takes on a meaning now: It's a compass with a Desperate's Knot around it.

[@Did_No_Wrong]

Get ready folks because our Peaky Blunder Heathcliff is the next Canto Sinner! Lets see what kind of hell Project moon is gonna make for him because we're absolutely gonna see his sister.

[@Lemon-fj8zy]

ARGHHH how many until don quixote 😢

[@Did_No_Wrong]

@@Lemon-fj8zy after heath If I remember. After that it's Hong lu

[@Lemon-fj8zy]

@@Did_No_Wrong alright,im just so curious about don quixote chapter because pm holds a personal grudge against smiles

[@Did_No_Wrong]

@@Lemon-fj8zy If u want an accurate order of the cantos go the prologue cutscene where the Sinners introduced themselves one by one. The order they introduced themselves is also the order of the Cantos.

[@Lemon-fj8zy]

@@Did_No_Wrong got it

[@vulpez650]

Hard to find a tomorrow when you don't know your own feet walking there. I hope I can find a path like she did, albeit in a less painful way. I love limbus company, for showing these stories. They sure are helping folks realize stuff, that's for sure.

[@koharuhomura709]

I like the interpretation of Ishmael growing her hair out cause Queequeg said that she like her sunset-colored hair. Just a little bit a wholesome yuri in The City. 🎉

[@mrrp405]

god of the city noticing a couple finding happiness:

[@keenices1972]

@@mrrp405 if i have a nickel for a pair of gay couples losing their possible SO in life via tragic incident, I'd have two nickels. which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice. I'm looking at you, Ayin and Benjamin

[@piki2pikachu]

ran and shrenne :

[@Rainin.7]

​@@mrrp405gay couple and also keyword god? It's expected my buddy

[@mrrp405]

@@Rainin.7 Hey I didn’t specify, love is love, and the city will destroy anything good, doesn’t discriminate.

[@ericquiabazza2608]

3:15 little fun spicology fact: What she expreses here is call "EGO DEATH", the moment your sens of self absolutely erases itself, no self, no sense of self preservation, like, hate, love, all GONE, people go basicly Catatonic. It is said is the point where most people REALLY change, after lossing EVERYTHING they must crawl back up to or die, literally.

[@yolemo4012]

The only thing this proves is that Gaslighting is the strongest weapon of the City, also she has to play a major part in the next Canto, the ship will sail

[@BreadKrumb]

I do like what they’re doing for this canto though, not only for Ishmael. Mostly bits and glances at the some other sinners slightly changing outside of their own chapter, Heathcliff mostly.

[@jackofrost1548]

Is it wrong of me to say Rodion is the character that does this a lot as well. It feels like she she trying to be the background character for a lot of these since her chaper was cold and dull to say the least

[@delirare]

@@jackofrost1548 I love how Rodion is like the support character and in her own words, th eworry wart, she is always looking for the rest of the bois

[@JannetFenix]

Has he changed? Or has he uncoiled?

[@ClockLock]

@@JannetFenix Bingo. I think Heathcliff is a naturally caring person, as he seems to thaw around the sinners quickly even without his own life-changing chapter yet. Also, PM is absolutely feeding the Ishcliff shippers real fuckin' good. The moment I saw Heathcliff's new ID is based on Queequeg, it only confirmed my suspicions. There are WAY too many coincidences at this point.

[@ss-ol5br]

They're preparing for heath canto

[@kerokou1956]

Looking forward to Chapter 6 as a huge tragedy or subvert the original Wuthering Heights and go full comedy. But somewhere in the middle would be just as, if not nicer. Now I await her development in the intervallos, like how Yi Sang showed his in 4.5

[@zapshark9031]

I personally think we're going to get a lighthearted story for 5.5 about Christmas and allude to something sinister but then it doesn’t actually happen. Then have it flipped and be depressing for 6 since Heathcliff has been poor for most of his life and see christmas as some snobby holiday. We’re going to learn more about how he grew up poor and was exploited and it's going to be sort of a calm sad drama where he’s the wildness that contrasts it and end with a bittersweet ending for Heathcliff where he realizes that much hasn't changed with how the city works. But he’ll be more relaxed to the unfortunate circumstance and maybe even become a kinder person to help others combat the unfairness of the city. And then Don's chapter will come and somehow be crazier and more messed up than lovetown, we saw how crazy Ishmael got because of Ahab. Don will double down and be a scarred survivor of something incomprehensibly horrible. Heathcliff might try to help her along with the rest but I imagine her whole hero thing is a cope to not accept how true evil can be allowed to exist.

[@Plaugus_Screenz]

​@@zapshark9031Crismus 5.5 will be the more happy and goofy with hints of sinister while Bamboo h kim 5.5 will be a bit more serious then canto 6 will be either depressing,serious or maybie even both

[@ss-ol5br]

I'm more excited what kind of person Cathy is

[@KnakuanaRka]

@@zapshark9031Well, we do have 2 chapters in between; as someone else said, we might have the Christmas one as funny and the Bamboo-hatted Kim one as sad, so who knows what Heathcliff’s will be? And from what you said, I might expect it to be more of a quiet tragedy like Yi Sang’s chapter than the over-the-top atrocities from Sinclair’s and Ishmael’s.

[@gabrielhiyodo6144]

Well, about that...

[@nomad123ad]

Now that I realized the meaning of Ishmael's symbol, it goes hard. PM cooked with this chapter.

[@tepig2828]

This might be a bit off topic but since you brought it up, Rodion does get some character development in her chapter, it is just a lot more subtle because she is good at hiding her true emotions. Rodion’s whole arc is that she doesn’t want to take the easy way out by letting go of her past like Sonya asks, she instead chooses to hold onto her past in order to make up for the mistakes she has made.

[@AudibleNoiseContent]

Whales are portrayed in canto 5 as creatures that use their oil to make others lose their sense of self and purpose and assimilate them. We can see this with Ishmael falling into the oil and was slowly losing her sense of self, Queequeg gave her a new purpose and pulled her up. We also see this with Ahab's crew whose identity was slowly eroded over the years by the whale oil and they were able to resist it by Ahab becoming a "whale", giving the crew the purpose of killing the whale. Ahab in that way is the whale in Ishmael's story. When Ishmael killed the heart at the end, I feel as though it represented her heart of obsession to kill Ahab, her heart for Queequeg and her crewmates and Ahab's goal to slay the pallid whale. Chapter 5 is peak..

[@vantasethatsit9903]

If you think about it Ishmael is probably the only "normal" Person in the group before her canon events happened. Gregor is experimented child soldiers, Rodya basically live under dictatorship, Sinclair live in a town full of Android and Yi sang is a genius in a group of geniuses. Meanwhile Ishmael is just a normal girl living a boring normal life.

[@cereza065]

we don't really know if district 25 (rodya's district) was particularly dictatorial (compared to the rest of the city), but it was an extremely poor district, unless I'm forgetting some detail about her canto

[@nublord5648]

​@@cereza065rodya is a backstreet born iirc

[@edgedancer4750]

Canto V was definetly a new Limbus high in terms of consistent quality. Maybe it's thanks to the pattern recognition letting Ishmael know that her turn it up before the Canto event started, but the story definetly benefits from her arc already being in full drive way before they make it to the dungeon. Granted, Ishmael's story didn't resonate quite as much with me as some of the previous stuff, but she still hits hard. Girl really knows how to pierce a heart. On a less relevant note, given how much interaction Ishmael and Outis had this arc, to the point of Outis joining her in the front of the credit CG, I wonder if it'll turn out the two have actually bonded. Like, both Yi Sang and Ishmael have started viewing the Sinners as their friend group, but someone pointing at Outis in particular and calling her a friend on an individual level would just be wild to me.

[@mjolls-l3g]

btw at 14:25 you can see that the thing that stabilized her was Queequeg as she stopped the shaking of the screen btw im probbobly explaining it bad

[@Tsunul]

Dw, I see what you're saying.

[@WolfyWoof24]

And so, The Meaning of Existence is realized once again. It's interesting how Limbus is also following the Tree of Life path, the two times it was completed before it caused extreme changes in the city, i wonder what might be the result from this new seed.

[@doodlesyoru2108]

Limbus is also following the tree of life path... But it seems a little bit out of order.

[@Ultra_DuDu]

The real question now is how will they top this? Really the themed resonated soo deeply with me (double pun intended) I can't imagine how any other sinner's story (beside maybe Salt's) will be able to go beyond my enjoyment of that chapter. To top it all the irony of letting Ahab live was delightful. One one hand Ishmael made her suffer a fate worse than death but by killing the whale she also killed "Ahab" as her obsession was her whole being.

[@NeoBoneGirl]

Been hyped for this chapter since 4.5, and it's the best chapter, no contest. Every setup from it, and before, was masterfully paid off, to the point where I have no idea what you even do for her other Cantos. It was clear to me since 4.5 that her obsession was born out of hate but also sadness, needing to believe that her crew is still alive. She constantly reiterated that everyone is just there for the contract, because she's utterly terrified of becoming attached to the Limbus crew and losing them, again. Forcing herself to be isolated so that it doesn't hurt when they get lost, but also unable to NOT get attached, which is why she is so utterly terrified of the concept of being up next. And that's not even talking about all the other amazingly executed parts in the Canto

[@gato6373]

Man I really love these analysis that you put out. It makes me appreciate each Canto's story all the more, it really shows how deeply and meaningful each moment was for their sinner.

[@april5356]

I cannot overstate just how perfect this Canto was, i almost never cry, even when watching extremely sad stuff i at most shed a couple of tears, but the ending of Canto 5 made me actually cry, it's truly perfect.

[@adamah-sp1fc]

Honestly I really love the variety in the tone of the chapters we have been getting yet you can still see how much thought and care goes into them and all of them carry the same core belief of finding one's own path and affirming who you truly are for the better. Canto IV was more of a low key, surreal tragedy between three friends in a world that hated them just for being who they were and how their inability to comprehend one another and fear of being separated from each other forever shattered their bond. And with Canto V now we have what initially starts as this intense epic about monsters larger than life, natural disasters, pirates, criminals and undefeatable odds yet ends as yet another very personal and poignant story, now about self discovery and letting your experiences empower you rather than weigh you down. Both chapters carry very similar themes of grief, loneliness and the meaning of life but express it very differently for two very different kinds of people while still carrying so much symbolism, weight and background to each and it's genuinely incredible to see. It's specially of note taking in count how the protagonist of The Wings didn't have a name and his story ends in a confusing scene that is most likely a suicide after having lost what was the center of his world and the only thing that gave him any sense of self being the bond he had with his wife who had kept him locked away from the world and slowly dying, while in Moby Dick the original Ishmael wasn't even the central protagonist and instead the bystanding narrator while Ahab who declared himself a hero and definer of the world compared to mythical supermen like Odysseus (Outis) or the original Faust as the true protagonist of the book, and Ishmael wasn't even granted his own ending being left to an ambigous fate despite being so much more human and openminded. So in both cases we start with the original stories of narrators without agency that get turned into characters that learn to reclaim their own identity after the end of their source books. Taking in count Canto VI is about Wuthering Heights that is all about love, grief, the pressure of society to be someone else and revenge like these previous two Cantos it makes me wonder how they will follow up for Heathcliff's arc since the previous stories tackled very similar territory, maybe that's the real reason Ishmael, Heathcliff and Yi Sang were Magic Hellbus' focus Sinners?

[@tonynguyen4603]

Her journey reminds me of a quote from Xiao, “just because I cannot see the way ahead, does not mean a way doesn’t exist.” (LoR spoilers below) Their stories are pretty similar. They both lost all of their friends and obsessed over their desire to get revenge. However, someone (Miris and Dante) stopped them from acting on their impulse, and guided them to let go of their obsession and find a new path. In Xiao’s case, she decided to fight not for revenge, but so that her coworkers deaths would not be vain. And for Ishmael, she chose to let Ahab live, not just to prove that Ishmael wasn’t Ahab but also to take away Ahab’s only purpose, the whale, which broke Ahab.

[@OGABzinYT]

For me, the best detail is that Ahab said even Queequeg couldn't harm the Pallid Whale's heart, but Ishmael did it with her own Harpoon, which means her hate for Ahab was so strong it made her sharp it to another level. She used her own hate of the past as a weapon in the end, abandoning it at the Whale's heart

[@pikachu0artu]

I must admit, this canto made me feel like i was experiencing the game in my own skin. Cuz i was not expecting to have moments in my life really similar (in a symbolic way of course). So in the end of the canto i just cried as well i was kinda hoping in a future to find a purpose for life in anyway, cuz right now the only reason i'm here is cuz my only wish is hunt my own Ahab, but i know thats not what i should want, but right now, thats what it is and i don't want to reach at that point, i want to find another alternative to live. So in a way this canto keeps giving me some hopes this alternative exists. Sorry for my vent, is just i loved so much this canto, and made me experience so much feelings like a roller coaster in this days, and i dont know how to express them.

[@magnificmango336]

A lot of people point out correctly that Ishmael actually indeed got her revenge, but I think that misses the main point: by then, she didn’t care about revenge anymore. She felt no satisfaction from watching Ahab suffer. She didn’t gloat or indulge in it. She simply pitied Ahab, mourned her comrades, and saved her new friends. It’s a positive irony that by the time her goal was achieved, it wasn’t what she cared about anymore. She had, in a sense, transcended her need for revenge.

[@Rekoyuu]

Historians will say they were best friends

[@JannetFenix]

Tbh, personally, I saw nothing romantic there - but instead something far more important. Two people weighted down by having nothing to look forward to; building a shy, desperate dream of there being 'something' afterwards the sail ends. Not even any particular goal - but just idea of tying yourself to another in order to weather the journey. There isnt particular thing she planned to do in future, but focused her vision on something - someone - "tangible" to make this dream more real, more "graspable". With Queequeg dead for good, the only rock on which that sandcastle was built was gone forever.

[@malogor2127]

@@JannetFenix Same, was a little surprised that so many people saw a romantic relationship there when nothing besides a friendship was even implied.

[@Robots2124]

​@@malogor2127Tbh in actual Moby Dick the relationship between Ishmael and Queequeg is also something. The two of them literally sleep together and there's a passage from the book where Ishmael says something like "his arm was thrown around me in a loving and affectionate manner as if I was his wife". Of course, there's really nothing official about Limbus' Ishy and Queequeg, but there's just a little bit of lit trivia for you.

[@malogor2127]

@@Robots2124 I actually read up on that stuff shortly after making this comment. Definitely interesting that the book has implied homosexual content that flew under everyone's radar (maybe even including the authors) because it just wasn't a concept that most people even thought about at the time. Well because of that and of course the other controversial racial and religious stuff the author wrote about which became the center of the discussion for the few people that actually read the book at the time it was released.

[@OvertureSaintp2391]

This chapter almost makes me want to dive back into Limbus Company, but too much time's passed since my last log in. That fomo be real. This only proves that PM are top tier story tellers and I consider LC having one of the best stories for a gacha.

[@Ainz579]

I was looking forward to this, can’t wait for Heathcliff’s chapter

[@glaba24]

Man, I love Canto 5. You expressed the ideas far better than I ever could. I liked Ishmael before for a bit, I found her "no fun allowed" snarky attitude to be entertaining and its certainly more to enjoy personally than Emo Ryoshu, eh Rodya, and monotone Faust (though I do like Faust still) as far as the female sinners are concerned but after this, I feel confident she's in my top 4 favorite sinners. However, despite all that, my favorite thing from this Canto is the further showcasing of Gigachad Himcliff. I swear, this dude has received the most shadow character development out of anyone else, going from just being an obnoxious asshole to someone who respects and supports his fellow sinners and Dante. I cannot wait to see what his Canto is like and see what his deal really is.

[@ledemondoughnut]

I am interested to hear what you think of ishmael's conflict with the middle older brother when he turned to Dante. Since to me it seemed like in her heart she actually did care for Dante and didn't only think of him as a revival tool for her to use till she kills Ahab. But maybe that was just my wishful thinking and she really didn't get that character development till later.

[@limit5325]

Damn what a beautiful video dude, this chapter sure made me feels things the grand majority of games didn't and I love Limbus for that. Project Moon can make messages to real life in their chapters even in a dystopia that is The City. Also, we have to appreciate Mili for making yet another amazing song that fits with the main chracter of that chapter.

[@hessianqrow7977]

Ishmael hair like sunset

[@s.o.t_the_real]

Im so hyped for canto 6 you have no idea

[@BrazilOhio.]

Best chapter yet

[@kariellokwell914]

I recently returned to playing limbus company, I had left it for more than 3 months. I ended up getting burned from farming. Although out of curiosity I returned, and... Wow, chapter 4 and 5 resonated with me a lot. They even reminded me of many things, both good and bad, my feeling of emptiness and disappointment, the people I wanted to become and how they became a source of torment... Those who were with me during difficult times; and above all, why I want to make games and stories. I would like to be able to communicate messages this cathartic and above all so human.

[@HirotheWanderer]

Stultifera Navis moment.

[@generalgarchomp333]

I absolutely adored this chapter.

[@Gazeta2nd]

Damn, the Queequeg rope scene with P3 music hit way harder than it should've. You madman, you.

[@Quantum1244]

Can’t wait for Gregor part 2

[@Plaugus_Screenz]

Same and potentially rodya 2 because we did lose 2 boughs so we have to get them back which could cause more unresolved peeps to become resolved (aka Greg and rodyan)

[@Quantum1244]

@@Plaugus_Screenz We lost 1 bough, Rodion got hers in the end

[@Plaugus_Screenz]

@@Quantum1244 we have lost 2 of in total we lost Sinclairs but he seems more resolved

[@xnr6149]

@@Plaugus_Screenz Sinclair got the bough, he only lose the fight

[@Plaugus_Screenz]

@@xnr6149 thats my bad I did the classic blunder that if we get a mission failed we didn't get it we only failed with dealing with Kromer and having to be bailed out

[@fluffles2415]

The ffxiv music really slamming the emotions home huh

[@Yichh]

The more I look into one of the cantos the more and more little details I find, god I love pm and this storywriting

[@wingdingfontbro]

Anyone notice how ish's base ego dialogue changes after beating canto five? I've noticed it in md3.

[@sepire0924]

Came bc I stumbled upon Compass from Mili, in which I had looked into Mili's song bc of the song she made for Arknights' 5th anniversary and saw in the comments that it was for Limbus Company, clicked this vid and heard Arknights OSTs, wonderful. But in all seriousness, seeing Ishmael's background reminded me a lot of myself, I may play the game again just to experience this for myself, but then again, I said the same thing for Arknights although I haven't had any energy or motivation to do anything these days lol, just been listening to Compass all night.

[@mitorikawashiro2962]

Ishmael: "..........Dante.........help me.....!" Dante: "" *_Overtaken started to play_*

[@EE-iv5ej]

Moby the whale is a metaphor, representing whatever depending on interpretation (God, satan, nature or something) Limbus's Moby, at least to me, represents the cycle of revenge and being trapped in wandering what your life means. The Pallid Whale's existence is nonsensical, it devours, but excretes a lot of its prey out anyway, what it does has no purpose, only causing suffering around it. Ahab has a revenge-fueled hate towards the Whale, and has dedicated a mission that, once again serves no meaningful purpose other than to simply satisfy her vengeance, and has caused suffering to the people around her as a result. Then came Ishmael, who is heading to that same path too this time targeting Ahab. It's a cycle of revenge and meaningless purposes/goals, and in this Canto, Ishmael must break free from this cycle once and for all. By choosing to literally kill steal the whale from Ahab, Ishmael not only took revenge on Ahab in a way that doesn't conform to Ahab's madness, it's also her freeing away from this purposeless cycle once and for all. Ahab? She can rot in this prison of revenge that she herself not only built, but utterly refuses to free herself from.

[@sebastiansteppuhn3418]

One of the points in favor of Project Moon's writing that is not talked about that much is, how it can completely change someones opinion of a character. Tsu's first impressions of Ishmael and Yi Sang was that they were bland and an annoying emo but after their respective canto's he likes them. First impressions count for a lot and it is difficult to change someones view of a character, especially if the first impression was really bad. When was the last time anyone here made a near or even full 180 degree turn on their opinion of a character? To not just tolerate someone you hated but actually loving them now?

[@Bwall1972]

I saw this chapter as "Moby Dick 2 : The Revenge of Ishmael". After floating on the coffin of his friend Queequeg for two days, Ishmael was finally pick up by a passing ship named the Rachel and that was the end of the story. It was interesting for the writers to give that story a conclusion with the Ishmael character .

[@randomasianguy9930]

Another excelente chapter review. I was looking forward to this one. Also, is it possible if you could put all the background music you use in the description?

[@DiminishingConfidence]

7:00 song name?

[@revanf3719]

absolutely amazing video and analysis

[@Ramsey276one]

15:08"...a CLOCK you can trust." Only ASIA could pull that off! XD

[@Nazrin_Gaming]

Fishmael :)

[@MasakanSolaris]

Honestly id say kill stealing the whale was a worse punishment for ahab. Shes spun so many lies, used, abused and killed countless people all for the sake of killing the pallid whale. And with ishmael taking the singular moment away everything ahab had done...was all for nothing. And that breaks her. "There are worse fates then death"

[@infinitasbruh8649]

she was literally me fr fr

[@giornogiovanna4833]

Ahab didnt want her crews focus on their futures, she created a crew of people who had no care for what came after killing the whale, a crew of people who would die for that cause, but when Ishmael was saved by Queequeg, she broke out of that manipulation, she started thinking about what came after, which even if it was an unconscious effort, triggered self preservation, she had no purpose, then she found her purpose in Queequeg, then she lost that purpose, and now she has purpose in simply living

[@Ho1yDr3amer]

Canto 6 is the best cause its de-happy ending!!

[@poke8391]

That persona 4 ost hit Hard

[@themadsuika3909]

For me Canto V was my obssesion Ish Story really hit a bit to close to home That blind obssesion to pursue someone else´s goals That rooted envy to how everyone seemed so happy And here i am, still wandering about life, still feeling Envious of other people that look so happy Feeling that i just get used and left behind like some tool Oh and also Ricardo and the Whole Dungeon was a kick in the Nuts with Base ID never in my life fighting Ahab again... EVER

[@ChildWomanMinoritynothater]

Never too late

[@woodsywoodshed6769]

Peak video

[@neylboo]

Considering that Heath still has thise cupons for the hair salon, and that tge next chapter is going to be his (following the order the sinners greeted Dante), it's not out of question for Ishmael to get a haircut

[@kurophoenix1323]

Please I need someone to tell me what the song playing around 5:37 or so is, during Ishy at the club. It's too quiet for me to make out properly but it's super familiar.

[@Tsunul]

Standchen - Arknights

[@ericquiabazza2608]

Man. Got so piss of people in 4.5 being "this mad bitch for nothing!" Tells you how MUCH no one has even READ what a whalers entail, going in a 1800 ship was not only hard, it was a constant struggle with no brakes or respite. Being a whaler more so, people really dont realize what whale hunting entails, less so something as BIG AS A WITHE WHALE! Jet, the most important point was the absortion, and even After people dont really get what whales DO TO people, most focus on Aehav, when Aehva is just another whale.

[@su4682]

Sakura blade theme in the background???

[@obelix8492]

I can't finish last bossfight because well. I was totally not prepared for Canto V at all I am getting destroyed by third phase every time, or just get into an eternal stalemate where ishmael holds her ground with 99 bleed

[@nickrl113]

As a gamer, I found Canto 4 almost comically long (the pre-dungeon + dungeon length is pretty freakin long) and am glad that Canto 5 is quite a bit shorter so I can get to grinding out the event. I loved the unique challenges of Canto 5 (well maybe except the Big Brother fight where you get ZERO indication that Ishmael is immortal as long as someone else is alive. I had so much trouble that I had to ask my buddy to put his Nclair up just to beat it. Also I ended up bringing Sloshmael to the dungeon which was... a very bad idea.) As a stupid fucking idiot, I actually wish that the dungeon got to be longer, with more of the dialogue fleshing out Ishmael's story like Yi Sang got in Canto 4 (like seriously the dungeon is basically a play by play of his entire timeline up to him joining LCB), because I didn't feel like I had much time to really think and appreciate things like Ahab's constant gaslighting, the stories of the other members of The Pequod, Ishmael's struggle with purpose, and stuff like that. All of that pretty much got one or two cutscenes each, and like, I'm fucking stupid, so I need that shit split up a little with some short battles in between to let things cook in my head

[@vh681]

Is that Flow playing at 12:36?

[@Tsunul]

It is

[@lightning2665]

10:39 music?

[@Tsunul]

The theme (Varient) - Arknights

[@lightning2665]

@@Tsunul oh my bad, 10:50 the piano part, heard similar thing from bgm maker

[@Tsunul]

@@lightning2665 Ah, that's Dreaming Of Patricia - Witch's Heart

[@lightning2665]

@Tsunul knew I heard it from somewhere, went through that games playlist a week ago, thank you anyway (also I'm pretty sure I asked this before in another video)

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Just finished this Canto myself, not sure I really liked the symbolism but it was definitely fun and Indigo Elder was awesome

[@winding65]

Sorry, my comment won't have anything to do with the video, but at 11:11 i started wondering... Do you know a mobile game known as ''Sakura Blade''?

[@ohama4272]

What's the soundtrack playing at 10~ minutes where the parallels between Ahab and Ish are shown

[@Tsunul]

The Theme (Variant) - Arknights

[@barrybromwell9405]

good use of the ffxiv ost once again

[@kirebub]

Good video! Critique: BGM with lyrics are very distracting if it plays while you are talking. It's better to use instrumental versions.

[@bedoabdallah6508]

what's the name of the track that plays in 10:11

[@Tsunul]

The Theme (Variant) - Arknights

[@bedoabdallah6508]

@@Tsunul thanks man

[@denalpha4056]

I would like to hear it, but Im stuck at 4-48

[@denalpha4056]

I defeated her... I was 4 lvl under requirements... I was lucky. It feels like I cheated

[@stuckerfan2563]

I really how pm did the you shouldn't kill person or take revenge on a person trope in a new interesting way because rather than it not happening because it'll make her the same as ahab or its wrong or she'll just feel empty. If she killed ahab she would just given ahab what she wanted.She would be just been manipulated by ahab to doing what she wants.She'll be just the same as she was in the past blindly following orders from ahab without questioning it or thinking for hersel.I mean ahab ordered Ishmael to kill her. Which makes me confused on why people wanted Ishmael to have killed ahab and distort because even if we did get her out of distortion she still wouldn't be alright.

[@ZetsuboTheBot]

What is the instrumental at 11:24

[@Tsunul]

Witch's Heart OST - Dreaming Of Patricia

[@TheOneWhoShallAsk]

Wdym nobody knew why fishmael was acting that way? She's made after a character from Moby dick. Id say that's pretty good foreshadowing. And that's even without reading the damn book x

[@suspiciouslurker3826]

Nice

[@JayTheWonderOfU]

The mean Ing of life

[@shirleyjoking]

This is what Last Of Us 2 could have been if they focused.

[@davidfeddanigga54]

whats the naame ofe the fucking piano tsunul 11:10

[@davidfeddanigga54]

raaaaa

[@Nonagonorganic]

Sure canto V is good, but next canto is heathcliffs, that means heavy metal sarajinae

[@mrrp405]

I’m f ISH