Canyon Endurace CF SL 8.0 vs Ultimate CF SL 8.0

[@reyreymtz]

I just ordered this bike today with Di2. Can’t wait to get it!

[@danielday7033]

Great summary of the bike. I just ordered the Endurace 7.0 CL a few days ago. Can't wait to get it!

[@chrisyoung8062]

I own this bike and the ride is fantastic. It feels light and very responsive but at the same time so comfortable. This seat post is a major contributor to that comfort IMO. The only downside with the seat post that I have found is if you want to use a saddle with an oversized carbon rail such as a Bontrager (for some reason the Montrose is extremely comfortable for me), which uses a 7x10mm rail, you won't be able to. There is a seat clamp available from Canyon for carbon rails that is 7x9mm, but not for 7x10mm. BTW that clamp is very much overpriced at $40. You may or may not know that the seat post is actually made by Ergon, not by Canyon. Anyway it's a great bike and I would recommend it to anyone looking for an endurance bike that also has a little race available.

[@bensnyder2057]

Excellent details on the seat post and rail, did not know that! I still don't think I really fully appreciate the positive impact the seat post dampening has on my ride - I really don't notice it but that's probably exactly because it is functioning as designed (if I were riding a rigid post on the same road, it'd likely be much rougher). People often mention how much they can see it moving when they ride with me.

[@chrisyoung8062]

@@bensnyder2057 The movement is noticeable by riders behind you. As much as I'm complaining about the inability to use the Pro version of the Montrose saddle, in reality I don't really need the carbon rails for compliance. I'm using the Ti rail version and it's just fine and it only weighs slightly more than the carbon version.

[@johnora3857]

Main difference is the gear ratio. 36-28 on the ultimate an 34-32 on the endurace for first gear i think. Thats makes a big difference on a big alpine Col for a hobby rider.

[@DanKla91]

I like the Endurace also over the Ultimate. BUT.... the Reason the Utlimate is more attractive is the way more stiffer frame. The Endurace has noticeable more compliance in frame then Ultimate. Also the alloy endurace ist more stiff then the Carbon Endurace. Grand Fondo Magazin compared these to in a test. If the Frame would be same stiff as the Ultimate ones, i would go for the Endurace

[@bensnyder2057]

Update: this is now my most used bike - I am very happy with the purchase and ride it many times a week - PRs and a few KOMs. I had the opportunity to ride the Canyon Ultimate CF SLX 8.0 Aero for a week, and while there's an obvious difference in weight, the largest gain I think with that bike was the aero features. Ultimately, I stand by my opinion that if you are even considering the two bikes, that puts you in a category of rider that wouldn't miss anything with the Endurace. The gains you can make in improving your power are likely more significant than the gains you can attribute to the difference in the two bikes.

[@johncross3292]

Did you end up putting a new decal set on the bike? I got stealth as well and it really needs a little color. Would love to see a pic!! John

[@bensnyder2057]

john cross I did end up putting them on, but only one side haha. It’s a long story. They don’t fit exactly but the stealth decals behind are not obvious. I’m not a stickler for aesthetics so it works for me. I can’t add pics here in comments but it’s a white decal and looks pretty good

[@bensnyder2057]

Actually, I do have a pic of it instagram.com/p/BkHwZLZAyx6/?taken-by=benjisnyd

[@DanTuber]

Ben Snyder - That looks better. Where did you get the decals and was it was to apply?

[@bensnyder2057]

Dan, I purchased them from here www.etsy.com/listing/259556223/canyon-sticker-bike-frame-decal-cycle and I'd say they were not easy to put on. There are some fine connections between the letters that got a bit twisted. If you were not placing it over the stealth decal, it would be easier as you can set the whole letter set as a whole piece aligned to the down tube. But, trying to get the letters to align perfectly over the existing decal was challenging (and as mentioned not perfect).

[@koukimonzta]

stealth is best color as you can wear any color of jerseys and still look awesome

[@jrasero23]

The 2020 Ultimate CF SL 8.0 is 16.75 lbs stock and the Endurace version is 17.85 lbs stock. That a little over pound in extra weight for the Endurace, which for most might not mean much but quite frankly is a huge difference. Next would be the carbon CP10 cockpit on the Ultimate which is lighter, more aero, and soaks up imperfections extremely well. The downsides of the one piece cockpit is that I believe it only comes in two sizes so it's not going to fit everyone and secondly replacing the unit is hard to source and is more expensive than using individual parts. In the end yes the geometry for the Endurace is very akin to the ultimate but with some slight tweaks and for most part it be hard to notice the difference when riding the bike blind folded besides for the Canyon S15 VCLS 2.0 CF seat post on the Endurace which IMO is where a lot of that extra comfort comes from. Endurace comes standard with 28mm tires while the Ultimate comes with 25mm tires standard. In the end both are great bikes, but since they are exactly the same price and geometry wise they are so close together with the Ultimate still being comfortable to ride yet being over a pound lighter, my pick is the Ultimate.

[@ridzuan786]

Great video lad! Thanks for the detailed information. Just ordered the new Endurace CF 7 (more relax geometry than the SL version) with wider fork for larger tyre fit. Cant wait to try them out.

[@b3.n1k]

all endurace have the same geometry bro

[@ridzuan786]

@@b3.n1k the 2022 Endurace CF model has slightly relaxed geometry than the CF SL version

[@mattkolesaric1546]

Thanks for this video! Found it very helpful. I'm looking into upgrading my 2014 Giant Defy, and was tossing up between a new Giant Defy (pending when they unveil 2019 models) and the two bikes you mentioned. Fairly sold on the Endurace, though might go for the Di2 (but will research into this more as I'm coming from a lowly Tiagra groups).

[@bensnyder2057]

Matt Kolesaric nice! I rode a Di2 Ultimate and it was silky smooth. They adjust themselves and the batteries last for quite awhile. Not much experience with Giant but the brand is the same general idea as Canyon where you get a bit more for your money being direct to consumer.

[@mattkolesaric1546]

I've enjoyed the Defy as it is a very compact frame, much shorter reach then the Endurace, but Giant could change it with their 2019 line-up. The Canyon is better value imo. Did you end up swapping out the seat post?

[@bensnyder2057]

Matt Kolesaric nope, I left this post on. Friends say they can see it flex but I don’t notice much - it is very comfy.

[@sarathmohan8983]

Thank you for the video. Just like you I didn't spot the 'n' missing in Endurace until a couple of days as well!. I currently ride an Italian carbon frame with a customized groupset with Duraace 7800 and ultegra 6700 (yep, a bit old). But next year is gonna be that year that I will end up with an endurace or ultimate. However I am thinking the aero handle bars on the new ultimate might make me biased towards it. However, let's see. Thank you for the great video and congrats on the cool bike.

[@milionadamkie1726]

Wow beautiful bike and color

[@tplhhi]

The video is well done but I'm surprised that you feel they are almost interchangeable. I have ridden both and the Ultimate is undeniably a faster bike. I have ridden the same routes under similar conditions and my results are noticeable. The fun part is that the Ultimate genuinely feels faster.

[@naweb7085]

Pode-me quais as diferenças de tempo que teve na duas bikes?

[@tplhhi]

@@naweb7085 Promedio unos 2 kilómetros por hora más rápido

[@tplhhi]

@@naweb7085 Hice cómodamente un promedio de 28-30 km / h en el Endurace y 30-32 km / h en el Ultimate.

[@naweb7085]

@@tplhhi Ainda é uma diferença considerável. Boas Voltas.

[@bluemystic7501]

It's almost as if you have an inferiority complex for no good reason. You got a great bike there and there is no need to defend your decision. Personally I'm looking forward to the 2019 release of the ultimate.

[@bensnyder2057]

bluemystic7501 you might be right 🤷🏻‍♂️ I’ve ridden all the models now, they’re all good

[@bluemystic7501]

@@bensnyder2057 - And thanks for the video. This bike frame looks virtually identical to the Ultimate so it was nice to see it from different angles. It's such a sexy bike.

[@Maxwaehrens]

You might be right, but as someone looking at both bikes (the SL 8.0 Disc versions) I found this video really helpful. I'm choosing the Endurace due to the wider tires and less aggressive geometry since I'm not looking to set records or become a pro.

[@Realthinx]

"if your bike is not comfortable, why ride it"👍 do not adjust yourself to fit a bike, choose and adjust a bike to fit you. years later canyons approach with the Endurace still seems pretty competible. I just wonder how their unique carbon seatpost is doing after 10.000 miles. still a great looking bike.

[@DcCock]

I have a Spectral also in stealth black. Yes stealth is a bland color BUT it has the upside of making the colors of any components really pop. I have blue pedals and tubeless valves on it and they really stand out, I'm considering putting in some orange components too like brake levers, rotors, and grips since blue and orange compliment each other well. Thanks for the review. I'm also considering buying one since my gravel bike is really more of my adventure bike and I want something I can climb better with. Only I'm considering the CF SL 7.0 with the 105 groupset and I'm comparing it against the Orbea Orca M30. I'll probably go with the canyon to save a little bit of money and because my Spectral gets so many compliments and looks of adoration so I suspect the Endurace will too

[@18MRpsi]

great review. im a fan of all canyon bikes EXCEPT for their alloy models! they know how to design high end bikes but when it comes to the low end designs they look very poor. im hoping to do a side by side comparison myself hopefully sometime soon =)

[@Mububban23]

18MRpsi what’s wrong with their alloy models? Is it just the looks? They seem to get rave reviews for how they perform for the money.

[@ORGANICxCYCLIST]

If you’re more than just a weekend warrior, you certainly know that small differences in geometry make a MASSIVE difference. If you want to race, get a bike with RACE geometry. IE ultimate or aeroad

[@bensnyder2057]

To echo my other replies, if you are the type of rider even considering the two, the Endurace is a fine choice and I'd probably make it again. I ride many times a week with folks on all manner of road bikes and have absolutely no issues keeping up or pulling. I'd wager that unless you're in the upper echelons of racing, you can make far more gains on your motor (legs) over anything a bike might contribute.

[@gkunz3]

Thanks for the review @@bensnyder2057 and discussion over the geometry. Some of us once raced but now cannot bend like we once did. And yet, I want as little compromise in speed as possible with a friendlier geometry. This looks like a good option.

[@EatMyPropwash]

I’m looking at both bikes right now. But, I have the unique ability to be able to fly to California for free, rent a car, drive to the Canyon dealer, test ride the Ultimate, Endurace, and Speedmax (Tri bike), bring in my dimensions based on my Retül bike fit for both road and tri, and have them size up whatever bike(s) I buy. I recommend if you can get to California, and at least test ride them before you buy, do it.

Where is the Canyon dealer in California?

[@barbaroacosta5335]

@ carlsbad CA

[@n-power-automotive]

Excellent review! Seriously so many vague videos about this particular bike. I’m stuck between the 8.0 and the 7.0. It’s a big price difference, but is it worth it you think? I love the idea of the split seat post especially since I suffer from saddle soreness at times, but the upgrade from 105 to Ultregra is a little less motivating of a reason for the price difference since I’ve had good luck with 105s. I guess the wheels are different too, DT Swiss vs the 7.0’s Maverics.

[@bensnyder2057]

169 Design I ended up upgrading my wheels to Hunt aero 50s. I’d question that XL fit. I’m 6’2” and ride a large - I like how mine fits and couldn’t imagine going much bigger. Regarding the group set, it’s tough to find other brands that offer the same bang for the buck. Would you notice though? Probably not.

[@n-power-automotive]

Ben Snyder thanks for the response. I had edited my question about your height because as I scrolled through the comments I saw you had answered it already. I have a 35” inseam and it still said L not XL so I will stick with their fitment. I bet the upgraded wheels made a big difference. And don’t get me wrong it would be nice to have Ultegra over 105, but like you said, would I notice the difference, not likely. The biggest thing for me is that seat post. It just makes me want to go with the 8.0 so bad, but again, I have to justify the almost $900 price difference. We’ll see.

[@garyfarmer3147]

What size logo stickers did you order? I'm looking to put white logos over the black ones.

[@WiseGuyFTW]

Would be interesting to know where your ordered the decals for it ? and how it looks like afterwards? I intend to buy it as well but I agree with the bland colors on Canyon bikes.

[@bensnyder2057]

The decals ended up being too small (ordered from Etsy). But... I ended up really liking the stealth after awhile. I think you can still find right sized decals online (the online canyon store has some).

[@bensnyder2057]

I ended up trying the decals anyhow on the non drive side. They are too small, but you can't tell too much unless you're very close instagram.com/p/BkHwZLZAyx6/?taken-by=benjisnyd Just be warned that it isn't perfect if you're worried about aesthetics.

[@legalize.brokkoli]

I just don't understand why Canyon does not offer this bike with a 50/34 crankset.

[@manthanmehta2260]

Hey @Ben - how/where did get the black gloss decal of the CANYON label to put on your frame? I’ve got the Ultimate 7.0 Disc in Stealth and would also like to have the same gloss label look as you’ve got on your frame!

[@bensnyder2057]

Those are on Etsy! You might not find an exact fit

[@nicolaspadron3167]

Do you have picture after you added stickers?

[@SWFlowseeker]

Thx for the vid. How wide of a tire will this bike accept? Could you ride 32c?

[@bensnyder2057]

Yes, I'd guess that it could. But check the site or forums. I have 28s on it with clearance.

[@popcornsamurai]

It is so nerve racking trying to decide between these two bikes. No one wants to put $3k or more into a bike they are not happy with.

[@bensnyder2057]

For 90% of us, it probably really doesn’t matter. If you’re living the road racing life and you eat, breathe, sleep road biking, you probably want the ultimate (or care enough about the differences to notice marginal gains). Imo get which one makes you more excited or buy the cheaper one and put the savings into a power meter or training program if you care about speed.

[@popcornsamurai]

@@bensnyder2057 no I’m just an old man that wants to keep up with my club rides. I do get a stiff neck on my specialized Allez. From you experience and other reviews I’ve read I think the endurace is the obvious choice. Thanks for posting this. Hopefully I can catch them when they become available on their site.

[@jesse9153]

Would you be willing to make a video showing the flex of the seat post? I’ve been curious about this for years.

[@bensnyder2057]

og getsu that’s a good idea! I’m in the middle of moving this week but will try to get to it soon.

[@zxtenn]

How is the function of the disc brakes VS rim brakes? I just sold my Cannondale Evo hi-Mod and looking at either Canyon

[@bensnyder2057]

jim dandy they make me stop :) I’ve been in pouring rain, dry dusty, and normal everyday riding and I’ve never had an issue. A purist might not want disc but meh

[@bobbykane6523]

Nice one. what's your saddle height at?

[@bensnyder2057]

Bobby Kane Honestly, I forget. I measure it every now and again (renting from Rapha etc) and I think I posted in these threads somewhere. But I usually feel the bike out for awhile and get it to the “feels right” position.

[@bobbykane6523]

Ben Snyder yeah makes sense. I'm trying to figure out how much bar to saddle drop there'll be

[@aviation5390]

4:24 for axle how use home trainer ? Zwit!

[@dirksiepe1940]

Just curious, you mentioned it’s a Large size frame, what’s you height/inseam?

[@bensnyder2057]

dirk siepe I’m 6’2” with ~34” IS have you checked out the Canyon sizing tool? www.canyon.com/en-us/buying-advice/pps

[@dirksiepe1940]

Ben Snyder cheers, I did check out their tool, I am 6ft with IS 35 and the tool recommends a M size frame, so I am just trying to get a feeling how good/bad that tool is.

[@bensnyder2057]

dirk siepe keep in mind that Canyon also has a 30 day stem and handlebar exchange policy (in the event you need a longer setup than medium).

[@dirksiepe1940]

Yes, you are right, actually their exchange/return policy says: 'WITHIN A PERIOD OF 30 DAYS YOU CAN RETURN YOUR BIKE UNUSED OR EXCHANGE IT FOR ANOTHER MODEL OF YOUR CHOICE.' So even better...

[@ebw82]

I'm looking at an Ultimate to replace my race-geometry bike (though the Endurace has made me think twice a few times). I emailed Canyon about their handlebar exchange policy as I'm looking at a bike with their one-piece aero bar. Their response was I could buy a new handlebar from their website and I cannot "exchange" it. I had read on the internet about exchanges too so if you have a link to that effect please post. Thanks! FWIW: I am 5ft 10.5in (179cm) with a 32.5in inseam (82.55cm) and their sizing guide puts me on a M. But if I knock off a half-inch somewhere it drops me to a S. So I realize I'm right in between sizes. Both Ultimate and Endurace.

[@marceleyer215]

Nice Vid! Where did u order the colored decals?

[@bensnyder2057]

They actually didn't end up working out! I got them here www.etsy.com/listing/259556223/canyon-sticker-bike-frame-decal-cycle there are probably decals out there that work but I ended up loving the stealth look.

[@Qual3n]

Until this video, I've always read Canyon Indurance

[@korsveien]

Not Indurain?

[@perlesvausss]

Wooo! Me too!! hahahaha Now sounds much better EnduRACE!!!

[@abenogcyklen5785]

You start off very cool, telling the weight in kg, then switching back to your "freedom-units"..... which you share with North Korea and Myanmar. Then back telling the tirewidth in mm - funny :-(

[@vn3801]

You mis-pronounce the model name of the bike. it's Endurance, not Edura-Ace

[@bensnyder2057]

Cameron Parrett checkout the spelling on their website homie. There’s no “n” at the end.

[@arturwachowski6827]

everything is nice except price. for this money you can buy a few years old yamaha r1 . that is sick to pay couple grands for four carbon fibre pipes and wheels. bikes are way too expensive nowadays

[@halfglassfull]

Agreed although it is the price of entry - supply and demand. And there are plenty of more affordable models compared to this that will suit many folks just fine. Also - cycling is way cheaper than that silly golf game I used to play.

[@johnpickering4630]

I usually ride at 54cm medium. Canyon sizing puts me on a small frame. If it is wrong on arrival it means a lot of hassle. Nothing beats trying the bike out in the shop. However I really fancy the Canyon.

[@gorillagirlgorilla]

I pulled the trigger bro and empty out the whole freaking clip. The bike ended up costing me $3,500 but what a freaking machine. It shocked me how much us humans can use our own energy to propel us super fast and far

[@Ac3sHigh]

Great review, great bike! I have the 2017 model. Only difference is the groupset (Ultegra 6800) and the wheels (DT Swiss R24 db spline). Only update I've made was the wheels. I now have the DT Swiss ERC 1100 Dicut 47. Ben, you've got a great bike. Enjoy every mile!!

[@taylorcalibo4883]

Any chance of a 1 year review? Likes/dislikes do you still love this bike as much as day 1?

[@bensnyder2057]

Great idea! I'll try to do one. Fwiw, I do love it as much, if not more. Though, I've made some modifications!

[@taylorcalibo4883]

I’m so glad to hear that you still love it! my endurace comes tomorrow in the mail and I have so much anticipation built up. My only question is weather or not you feel like the bike is “aggressive” enough. I don’t toad race and I mostly do long rides but I was hoping to still have room to grow in the sport. The more people that talk down the endurace the worse I feel about my choice lol. It seems like an amazing bike but the internet is vicious lol. Just wanted your thoughts since it seems like you and I have very similar goals in this sport.

[@bensnyder2057]

Taylor Calibo You’d be just fine taking this to a crit or road race and you’d likely beat people on “pure” race bikes (I’ve raced this at 2 series practices). And on the other end of the spectrum I’ve seen the endurace at 2 gravel races now. Everyone, and I mean everyone, could make far greater gains in their motor than in the type of bike they ride - I’d say the bike is responsible for a much smaller fraction of a riders performance than everyone believes. I’ve been beaten in races and rides by fat bikes while on my inflite, I was destroyed by guys on mountain bikes while on my endurance in group rides, and I’m also faster than a whole lot of people that have nicer bikes. I whole heartedly believe in buying the bike that excites you and gets you out more. Then make it a point to kick someone’s ass that said the endurace is any less of a bike than

[@carywatmore]

I think your thought process is just right. Basically the more comfortable a bike is the more you would ride it. The fatter tyre, the unusual seat post and the more relaxed geometry all add up to comfort.

[@izan31]

Searching for a new bike, the Aeroad was my first choice, but entirely based on the looks. Then started thinking what I want to do with the bike. Climbing and long rides are my main purpose, so it brought me to the Endurace and made me sad at first, cause it didn't look as flashy as the Aeroad. But now.. watching it more and more, I prefer it over the aeroad, not only when it comes to my needs, but also esthetically. Such a beautiful, elegant piece. Just ordered one and really looking forward to meet my new companian. Thanks a lot for the review.

[@bensnyder2057]

I love how the bike looks. Also, I've since added a set of deep dish Hunt wheels to my endurace (because... why not) and it looks pretty good. instagram.com/p/ByH-tGcHglN/

[@izan31]

@@bensnyder2057 Already wondered how it would look with other wheels. The Hunt has higher rims? Wheels are the key to how sell a bike fast. Edit.. Oh my.. That is awesome.. You made the letters white.. just tape over it?

[@bensnyder2057]

@@izan31 They have a ton of options us.huntbikewheels.com/collections/road-cx-disc-brake-wheels?_=pf&pf_t_material=Carbon

[@Jenathan777]

*Looked at a lot of options for getting my **Latest.Bike** . Great find in SAVA. Super light, nice components, really good value as it comes with many options only found in much higher priced bikes.*

[@Alkaline7y]

they both are excellent bikes for me. Personally, I think it comes down to the brakes. $400 is pretty good value for disc brakes, but I live in a mostly flat area, and although it can get hilly there are no technical descents. and don't see myself riding in rough weather very often. If they offered the enduro in rim I might reconsider but the rim ulti vs the enduro is about 1.5 lb difference to boot.

[@Chris-0703]

If you overlay the endurace frame with an ultimate they are almost identical except for the headset

[@evanwilliams7070]

Shes a beaut!

[@VFactory-vl5fi]

Lovely bike. And being a customer of canyon myself, I think it’s a great choice. However, don’t listen to this dude about using it to get more powerful and to beat folk on race bikes. This was his choice. If you want a race bike, get a race bike. Canyon race/aero bikes are some of the most stuff and comfortable bikes on the market, and I’ll also mention, incredibly fast. I have an endurance bike and I have an aeroad cf slx. There’s a difference. If you want to go fast and want to put all your power through the rear wheel, get the race bike.

[@bensnyder2057]

Aeron Thomson thanks for the counter point. I hope not to mislead anyone, but my point is that if you are on the fence about these two bikes, the Endurace is very capable and will take you more places (I will be taking it to some crits as well) and if someone is considering the Endurace at all to begin with, I couldn’t see them being an all out racer or else why would they be considering endurance bikes at all?

[@tocareful]

i'd pick the the endurace because of the types of riding i do

[@golinskyy]

now you got super ultra duper awesome better cockpit with that Ultimate

[@iamarunch]

Can you put a 32 mm tryes on this bike? If so how comfortable would it be over the 28 mm's

[@samteenoise]

Up until 2021 the endurace was great. It's so sad that they are aggressively turning it into a gravel bike with >30mm Tyres, top-tube compartments, very relaxed stack-to-reach ratio, wider fork, and not mention how heavy they've gotten

[@guybrushthreepwood3002]

Was torn between this and the Rose, gonna pull the trigger on one of these in blue I think. Great vid thanks

[@danielday7033]

I'm with you. I almost went with the Rose. Ultimately, I went with this in the 7.0 model in red.

[@guybrushthreepwood3002]

@@danielday7033 took delivery of the 8.0 a couple of weeks ago. Needed a slightly longer stem and a saddle change, and now it's perfect, it's a lovely bike.

[@danielday7033]

@@guybrushthreepwood3002 Congrats! I'm hoping I won't need to do much to dial it in for me. I got the Large and hope it's not too big or small for me. However, it was the size Canyon recommend for me based on height and inseem... fingers crossed.

[@guybrushthreepwood3002]

@@danielday7033 cheers :) I'm 6ft and was recommended a medium, which was perfect, only needed an extra 1cm on the stem, which made all the difference. Good luck with yours, you'll love it

[@tomzieba4020]

I bought the exact same bike recently and have a few rides under my belt and quite like it. I am coming off of a BMC SLR01 Team Machine. The BMC was stiff as all get out and read your mind, while this bike is noticeably slower to react it does have many positives. For example, what I find really nice is that it doesn't bob side to side with each turn of the pedals like a race rig does. I've also found that I do not adjust my position on the bike nearly as much. The BMC would rattle over imperfect terrain, forcing me to reset myself on the seat. This thing just floats over stuff. No doubt the 28 tires, tubeless in my case, help with that. Still on the same roads, I am less beat up and not fighting the bike over less than perfect roads. I'm also 200lbs and my worry was that the seat post would flex too much. It's definitely not as explosive as the SLR01, but then again that was a pure race rig. I find myself downshifting to a slower cadence on some climbs. It's noticeable but not intrusive. And less obvious than the "flat tire" effect I was preparing myself for. It is more fun and lively than something like a Roubaix though, it also looks the business. I am 6' and the medium is spot on.

[@moi7748]

What I don't understand is how come such a small change in the design can have such a big affect on the riding. I can't see why I could go riding all day and still walk to the bar afterwards with the endurace and not so with the Ultimate.... The Aeroad is a big no no for me but I must admit that I'm still undecided about which one to go for between the Ultimate and the Endurace...

[@bensnyder2057]

Andrew James aerodynamics is certainly not an overstated benefit of bicycle design and geometry. I’d just like to emphasize that unless you are cat 1/2 or domestic pro etc (where you have to squeeze every little watt out of yourself and your hardware), you’re not going to miss anything on the Endurace.

[@moi7748]

OK thanks for that Ben. You've just helped me confirm my choice. Great video - it's certainly the best, if not the only review of both bikes.

[@6Shine6down6]

Nice bike and great video. I think I will go for the Ultimate because the geo is more appealing to me. I've owned the Aeroad and it was the best bike I've ever ridden, now looking for a light disc bike for longer rides :)

[@bensnyder2057]

You will love the Ultimate. I ride one occasionally and it's great. That being said, I'm now even more in the camp of a bike not mattering as much as folks think, within reason: mtb vs road etc. One example: I just took the Canyon Inflite for 60 miles (paved and gravel) and it killed it, was super comfy too - all the reviews paint it as a CX purebred race bike (which it is), but it just didn't seem different enough from my gravel or road bike to notice. Put some tires on your Ultimate and take it on gravel!!

[@cesarp2494]

Hi Ben, I'm trying to decide between the CF SL 7.0 and 8.0, is an 800 dollars difference in AUS, which one do u recommend?? the only difference is the Adgroup? is worthy?? Good review thanks,

[@bensnyder2057]

If you're not racing or a weight snob, you probably won't notice the difference and $800 is a big savings (you could probably find a whole other bike for that amount from used classifieds). There's about a 1lbs difference in the two Endurace models. The 105 components on 7.0 tend to be made of heavier material than Ultegra, but typically reviews state there's not a big difference in the performance of those two group sets. You also get better tires, the new seat post, and a different saddle with the Endurace 8.0.

[@Horstelin]

I don't really get why people treat the Endurace like an "old man bike"... in medium size stack and reach are just 1cm taller and 1cm shorter for the endurance compared to the ultimate. So the difference is much more subtle than you would think. I chose the Endurace simply because of the fact that I have very long legs and a short torso. It already gets me in a very racey position (10cm drop) so riding an Ultimate or even Aerod would require me to be much more flexible than I am.

[@JayNerger]

thanks for your helpful response. i've been looking for a new bike that caters to the long leg-short torso without becoming uncomfortable

[@korsveien]

I saw a comparison between Endurace, Ultimate and Aeroroad on KZbin. Was surprised how little difference it was between the models. Aero most agressive and Endurace the least, but all of them I will define as racing bikes. The Endurance looks way more aggressive then my 7 year old Cannondale Synapse. Even the new 2018 Synapse is more aggressive then the older Synapse models. Currently I'm going back and forth between 2018 Synapse or and Endurace. Going for discs because I live in the fjords of Norway and it rains a lot. Synapse I can buy at my local dealer and it have fender mounts. Endurace looks like a cooler bike. Almost same price. What to do?

[@fcnghkkc1]

Kjetil Korsveien the Canyon is my pick. I have a 2016 Endurace 8.0. very comfortable on long rides and still racy when need to when the situation allows it.

[@donniefederer3995]

Horstelin

[@raphaelsignatus]

I think at the same way. I bought my Endurace CF SL 9.0 Di2 last year and I had the same doubts.. However, I choose Endurace because the same idea that you have!

[@platano123]

I love this color way!!!

[@jeffreybarker357]

This was helpful. This was my exact dilemma. The basics I got from several other opinions was that the Ultimate is better for climbing and, as you pointed out, a slightly more aggressive geometry. Thanks for making this-I appreciate it!

[@bradsanders6954]

From what I hear,the Endurace feels much like a race bike,with some small nods to comfort. With a little taller bar heidth,and the leaf spring carbon seat post. Otherwise it s a quick handling light road bike. We have a lot of rough roads so I went Endurace....I will make my Endurace lighter for sure,already have carbon wheels to put on it.

[@bradsanders6954]

I looked at a Trek road bike,2022 with the same parts group as the Canyon I have ordered (Di2 Ultegra)...............and dang, Not only are they un-available and it might be 2023..............they want over 6K for much the same quality of bike...2000.00 more? That is what the Trek name costs....Trek is a great bike but I liked the Canyon bikes once I looked them over .

[@jeffcoulter7181]

Stunning looking bike. Agree, colour is a little bland. Are the decals you have ordered factory or aftermarket ?

[@bensnyder2057]

They were aftermarket from Etsy. They do not fit perfectly and were hard to put on, though I'm not a perfectionist and I like it. I put some Hunts 50 carbon aero wheels on for looks and now I can't stop looking at it haha!

[@jeffcoulter7181]

Ben Snyder I have just looked at your Hunt wheels, they look great. World-wide free shipping too. I just have to convince my wife a need a new Canyon bike first.😉

[@bensnyder2057]

@@jeffcoulter7181 just tell her there's a 30 day return policy and you are simply test riding it. I've heard of people accidentally missing the return window lol

[@phxrsx]

A good all around bike. You could use that for bikepacking, racing, a little bit of gravel, and even triathlon if you wanted.

[@bensnyder2057]

I recently saw someone riding an Endurace at a gravel race! Didn't get a good look at what tires they had on though :)

[@renatoslife5373]

It is large and how tall are you? I need yo figured out I am 5’9” tall

[@aaronm6666]

What decal set did you order? And from where? Thinking of doing the same

[@bensnyder2057]

Aaron M I got a set from Etsy but it was not an exact fit. The stealth letters can be see around the white ones. Though, I’m okay with that and it looks fine from a distance. They were quite difficult to apply though.

[@thomaslcmt]

Thanks for the nice review Ben, I had the same hesitation than you and ended up with the Ultimate because I was not looking for compromising with my first road bike. The Ultimate gets: More aggressive geometry The Canyon steam and aero handle bar CP10 (made of one piece of carbon and looks amazingà slightly lighter wheels (but still heavy for a road bike) The continental GP5000 in 25mm (which are the newer continental) Both bikes look amazing, you get a lot for your money. If you want to perform more you will just have to change the wheels.

[@bensnyder2057]

Thomas Lecomte the Ultimate is great! I have since added some hunt 50 carbon wheels to my Endurace (primarily for aesthetic reasons) and made it a little more sporty. I would still make the same decision.

[@thomaslcmt]

@@bensnyder2057 these two bikes are wonderful in their own spectrum. I admire the engineering work behind canyon's bike. Their product line is nicely Though through. Happy ride Ben 🙌 Cheers from France

[@Karollenart]

I wonder which one to choose in 2020. I could go for beautiful red Endurace CF 8.0 (7,4 kg) vs boring black Ultimate CF SL 8.0 (7,0kg). Endurance is 300$ cheaper. I think 400 grams for 300$ at this level is huge difference. I think that difference in weight between them is made wholly on frames. What do you think? Moreover, what is a difference in stiffness between both bikes? Is it big?

[@bradsanders6954]

Hah! Ive got a size large 2022 Endurace on the way,should be here wed. I'm jazzed! Stealth glossy Grey.

[@brydgeo007]

Thank you for the video. I didnt notice that the bike itself is branded as Endurace and not endrance. I am deciding whether to get endurace or ultimate.

[@joeengg1813]

Is any one from India here? How much is the import duty for these bikes in India?

[@Jun-dc2iq]

i had never realised it was endurance but endurace until u mentioned it...

[@rockycisneros6907]

Do you use it on a trainer? I have the same bike

[@bensnyder2057]

Rocky Cisneros I did use it for a few trainer rides before swapping it with a cheaper bike. I believe it voids your Canyon warranty. The concerns I’ve heard about carbon on the trainer revolve around the frame not being fastened to the station securely and thus rubbing action wearing the carbon or paint down.

[@scottvanderbilt1279]

@@bensnyder2057 Actually, use of trainers with Canyon bikes will NOT void your warranty, provided it is one of an approved set of models (including Endurace). See www.canyon.com/en-us/support-articles/how-to-use-canyon-bikes-in-turbo-trainer.html for more information.

[@karlfortich8985]

What is your height sir?

[@bensnyder2057]

6’2”

[@DopeTorre]

Ordered ultimate cf sl 8.0....hope i didnt make the wrong decision.

[@jesperkarlsson6622]

Miikka Turkia Hey! Have you tried it out yet? I’m currently in contact with a guy selling the Ultimate version. Have you had any impression on how aggressive the positioning is? I have a slight back & neck problem and could really use some insight!

[@DopeTorre]

Sorry didnt see your question before. I havent received my ultimate yet, i should get it next week. Long time waiting :) did you get that ultimate? @@jesperkarlsson6622

[@korsveien]

I got the Endurace. Compared to my old Synapse the Endurace is way more aggressive. Looking at the geometry tables the Ultimate and Endurace bikes are quite similar. Not very different like the Cannondale Supersix and Synapse is.

[@danielday7033]

@@jesperkarlsson6622 This is why I didn't purchase the Ultimate version. I have neck (surgery) and upper back issues. The Endurace gives you a bit more upright comfortable position. My goal is to do a century in a decent comfortable position. But still able to punch power when I want/need to.

[@AwesomeKicks]

How is the quality on the paint? My Trek Superfly mountainbike has really bad paint that scratches and chips really easy.

[@bensnyder2057]

Adrian D no issues whatsoever. Check with Trek though! Maybe they will warranty the frame.

[@akissparaskevopoulos]

Have you tried the seatpost? What are yr thoughts ?

[@halfglassfull]

Currently ride a Spec Roubaix looking at getting a Canyon Endurace but pet peeve I have is manufacturers all ship with narrow (i.e. 143mm width) saddles and I found a 153mm is the right size for me. Do you know if Canyon will swap out for larger size no charge?

[@bensnyder2057]

I doubt they will ship with a different seat. I contacted them to ask if I could swap some bits before shipping but they don't do custom orders.

[@33volbize]

Hello, Nice video with nice explanation !! Actually I've question as many people I guess... i'm looking for my first "race" bike for using it for 3 Triathlon (S and M)/year and training until 100Km mostly 60-80km with exceptionally 150km . I'm hesitate with Endurance CF 8.0 or Ultimate 7.0 and change wheels in both case. Witch one could be more interesting ? Thanks in advance !

[@bensnyder2057]

Anthony Cian Canyon makes triathlon bikes with their Speedmax line. If you’re focuses on triathlons I’d guess you’re more concerned with aerodynamics so I’d use that as a guide to which option you might go with.

[@jeffreysecrist989]

I'm looking to buy an Endurace, but I'm a bit in-between sizes (M and L) according to Canyon's online sizing. Just wondering your height/inseam to compare with. Thanks!

[@bensnyder2057]

Jeffrey Secrist I’m 6’2” and my IS is ~33-34. I have a large (the size their tool put me on) and I like the fit. Keep in mind if you get a version with the aero bars, it’s harder to adjust sizes.

[@jeffreysecrist989]

Ben Snyder thanks for the help

[@motomoto898]

Hi! Was wondering what your take was on the bike 2 years down the line :)? I’m hoping to bite the bullet soon!

[@bensnyder2057]

damose it’s still a great bike! I’ve added aero wheels just for the excitement factor and ride it many times a week. And I will say that throughout all of my racing I’ve beaten people on more race oriented bikes and people on gravel bikes with road tires have beaten me. It’s all about the motor if you’re concerned about speed.

[@callumdonoghue4077]

Hi mate. Great video, I’m looking at upgrading to this bike, I’m stuck between getting a size medium or large. How tall are you if you don’t mind me asking? I noticed you got a size large

[@bensnyder2057]

I'm 6'2" with a 33" inseam. The large fits me well and there's a long stem on it (I think 120mm) if you needed to size down a bit. I may have fit on a medium as I like smaller bikes, but I'm happy on this size.

[@anthonyychapa]

Ben, How’s the sizing on the bike? I put my specs in, and the site said I should be on a Medium. I’m 5’11” for reference. I’m coming from a TCR Advanced, and I’ve compared specs recently. I’ve found that the TCR has more reach and a lower stack compared to this bike, so I will definitely find some relief on long rides.

[@bensnyder2057]

Anthony Chapa their sizing tool put me on a L (6’2”) and it felt maybe a tiny bit too long at first but now I tell people that it fits like a glove. I’ve since picked up an L Inflite too which fit perfect right from the start. I’ve also been on a L Ultimate many times now. I would take any of them on anything from a short race to a long endurance ride with no hesitation. The aero features of the Ultimate was the biggest difference over geo, among my experiences.

[@anthonyychapa]

Ben Snyder thanks for the reply! I’ve just got to get rid of my 19 Giant TCX Advanced to get mine ordered.

[@anthonyychapa]

Ben, Sorry to reach out on here once again, but I’m just curious if you had any issues so far with the bike or when you ordered.

[@bensnyder2057]

@@anthonyychapa No problems with the bike so far, and no issues ordering.

[@hilkovanhauthem600]

Thank you for the review. How tall are you? (& what inseam height?) I would like to order the same bike & I guess L would suit me just fine, altough the cranck length is rather high (175mm instead of 172.5). Do you experience difficulties during pedaling?(Cadans) KR,

[@bensnyder2057]

hilko van hauthem I’m 6’2” 34” is. Fit is just fine. Canyon has a bike fit calculator you should check out.

[@_o.0_.]

Solid review thanx

[@DopeTorre]

Thanks for the video, i have been struggling with these two bikes.

[@scottlong2505]

He said, pretty much same bike as ultimate , except for geometry of frame. Lol. Canyon website explains in good detail what model is best for different riding styles. If your already considering this level of bike, a 100$ price difference shouldn’t be a your final decision factor. Get what you like! If you don’t like it you won’t ride it!

[@bensnyder2057]

Scott Long if someone is on the fence about purchasing an endurance bike vs a race bike, let’s be honest, that’s not a person that’s going to be competing at a level where they’d notice a difference between the two. The Endurace is the more dynamic of the two and so a better choice for someone inclined to be even considering the choice.

[@scottlong2505]

Ben Snyder if someone was on the fence between the canyon race aeroad model and the endurace model then the sweet spot would be the canyon ultimate.

[@caseyturnbaugh9484]

What is the biggest size tire that will fit on that bike?

[@bensnyder2057]

Casey Turnbaugh good question, I don’t know but this person claims to have fit 35s on a 20mm rim forums.mtbr.com/gravel-bikes/fyi-canyon-endurace-can-fit-700x35s-20mm-wide-rims-1085172.html

[@seriousfretter09]

Can we get this to 200K??

[@bensnyder2057]

Oh dang! That’s a milestone. Should have inked an endorsement deal before this baby aired.

[@thr4sh6r]

Large, how tall are you, in cm/m?

[@bensnyder2057]

K_Knievel 1.88... bike comes with a 110mm stem and may have been a touch too long, I reversed the seat guts. Super comfy now.

[@cmcheung932]

any cracks in the frame? seems like this has been an issue for Canyon

[@bensnyder2057]

CMC 2020 I’ve never heard of that issue. I have 2 canyons and have ridden them intensely for 2-3 seasons now. I ride my inflite during CX and Gravel and have bunny hopped obstacles and hit small kickers many times.

[@cmcheung932]

@@bensnyder2057 great, I will order tonight then!

[@jakoblanger4012]

Hi Ben, you mentioned that you will buy new decals for your bike. do you already have them? And where did you order them? THX Jakob

[@bensnyder2057]

Hey Jakob! I got mine from Etsy here www.etsy.com/listing/259556223/canyon-sticker-bike-frame-decal-cycle in previous comments I mentioned that I did not put the decals on, since then though I gave it a go. 1) it's quite difficult as some of the letters have very fine lines, 2) I did not bother removing the ghost black decal and this one sits right on top of it. BE WARNED: those decals are smaller and if you are at all concerned about perfect aesthetics, you should look elsewhere - I'm not as concerned about that and it looks OK from no less than 4 ft away haha... I might take it off at some point but it's also only on one side.

[@jakoblanger4012]

Ben Snyder thank you for your answer👍

[@bensnyder2057]

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[@elonmusk8667]

Great choice!

[@B1r0d1M0n]

How large tyres can you put on? For example 30mm winter tyres with spikes?

[@bensnyder2057]

B1r0d1M0n I’m sure you can get bigger tires than the 28 that come with it. Doubt you could do 30s with spikes though!

[@PaulusTigana]

Lot's of ppl use this bike with 30mm spike tires.

[@alejandromartinezrazola5075]

Canyon colours are Shiny or matte?

[@bensnyder2057]

alejandro martinez razola my Endurace and Inflite are both matte

[@jeffdavis5841]

I only wish that Canyon would still make a non disc version available.

[@bensnyder2057]

Jeff Davis give disc a chance :p

[@moi7748]

Jeff, they still make a non disc version, but on the site you do have to look for it. Here is the link www.canyon.com/en-de/road/endurace/2019/endurace-cf-8-0.html

[@garthly]

Andrew James not available in the us.

[@Hunter-lr8ug]

What is the point? That you could have beat them even more if you had a race bike?

[@bensnyder2057]

Hunter said it in all the other comments, if you’re in a position where you are deciding between these two bikes, you’re likely not in the sport for racing. So buy the comfortable, more capable bike you’ll use 80% of the time and race it on the occasional weekend.

[@korsveien]

At a local CX -race a former semi-pro got third place riding an old bike with downtube gearing. Just saying.

[@bensnyder2057]

There is a guy around here that does something similar in the cat 1/2 crits haha... 75% motor, 25% bike choice?

[@korsveien]

Think its more like 90/10. At the same race one of the 13 year old boys would have finished 2nd had he raced in the mens finale and not the junior finale. Just saying.

[@bitzslaper]

very good review and it helped me a lot on making decision on which road bike I should get, how did you like it's quality and components installed with it? you think price wise was ok? been debating between Bianchi Intenso Disc Ultegra and this Canyon Endurace CF SL 8, I can get the same price as Canyon but the bianchi has alloy fork unlike canyon has full carbon.

[@bensnyder2057]

bitzslapper the general sentiment on Canyon (beyond just myself) is that you are getting a lot for your money. I had my eye on a few bikes: a Look (I forget which model but I like that they have a lifetime warranty), a Roubaix, a Stigmata. All those bikes ended up having at least one component they was of lesser value, usually the wheels AND worse reviews. I have a full alloy gravel bike and the only thing I can say about going full carbon is that you will feel a difference in the ride. An alloy fork might dampen the bumps out a bit. Everything’s great, just had to make some minor adjustments for chain rub.

[@bitzslaper]

Ben Snyder thanks a lot, that was my analysis too, with Canyon bikes, you do get ore for your money, maybe because we get em direct and no middle man, let me ask you this.... if you will be given the chance to get Bianchi Intenso Disc Ultegra $3100 including shipping and no tax from Italy, brand new vs Canyon Endurace CF SL 8.0 for $2700 plus tax and shipping which turn out to be almost same price, which one will you get?

[@bensnyder2057]

bitzslapper do what your heart tells you haha people might oodle your fine Italian bike a little more than a Canyon but I’m sold on this bike.

[@bitzslaper]

haha, good call, nah, I've decided to stick to Canyon, pure carbon and never seen anyone not even bikeradar said anything bad about it... Canyon bike has been always part of any top bike category, from Road to MTB... haven't seen much review about the Bianchi Intenso Ultegra... Thanks for the reply

[@bartroberts5953]

I am about to pull the trigger on the exact same bike so can you elaborate on the chain rub issue? Thanks in advance!

[@Daluke61]

Kinda sounds like you've got the 'David' complex, perhaps; that is, David And Goliath, at least with respect to bicycles. If so, me too! Nothing more rewarding than hanging with much more expensive, high-end, purpose built road bikes; those ridden by cyclists that are out on serious 'training' rides, either as teams or riding solo. I love it when I get a bit of stink-eye or an unspoken WTF from ones I not only hang with but will at times either pull, drop or just hang with (and at times, fail) when I'm on an aggressive/hard training day. I'm riding on a MOTIVE Ground Pounder (full rigid) MTB, in case you're wondering. That said, love your Canyon bike (in Stealth!) and have been seriously considering purchasing one, like an Ultimate and really getting real... no more 'David'.

[@bensnyder2057]

daluke61 my friend has an Ultimate and I ride one when I travel - it’s a great bike, you’ll love it. And like you, there are people that ride even less “capable” bikes than the ultimate and kick everyone’s ass haha happy riding

[@TerenceBlaise]

Hello Ben thanks for the review. Can I ask you what’s your saddle height and whether you kept all the spacers under the stem? I am trying to figure out the kind of saddle to bar drop you have (I suppose the bars are higher than on a pure racer) and how it feels to get the bars higher with a longer reach rather compared to having the bars lower with a shorter reach (which is what I currently have on my cyclocross bike).

[@bensnyder2057]

Terence Blaise I’m 6’2” with ~34 IS. I prefer a more compact and upright position. My saddle height is shy of 90cm (I had a fit done and the system suggested an even lower saddle height) with the seat bumped forward quite a bit. I left the spacers as they were out of the box and I slanted the bars up by a degree or two. I might look like a dork by cyclist standards but I found that I get the most power out of my legs like this. You should try to get a fit if you can.